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{{quote|''Hey, Mr. S? [[Makes Just As Much Sense in Context|Wanna help strap me into this thing?]]''|'''Jeff Fisher''', ''[[American Dad (Animation)|American Dad]]''}}
{{quote|''Hey, Mr. S? [[Makes Just As Much Sense in Context|Wanna help strap me into this thing?]]''|'''Jeff Fisher''', ''[[American Dad (Animation)|American Dad]]''}}


When the authors want to [[Casual Kink|include some BDSM]] into the plot, they might need to have some context and nuance to avoid having the audience [[Abuse Mistake|mistake it for abuse]]. But what if there's no room for nuances, or they think [[Viewers Are Morons]] anyway? Simple! [[All Abusers Are Male]], right? And [[Useful Notes/BDSM|BDSM is gender neutral]], so the solution is simple: Make sure that it's never a woman being topped by a man.
When the authors want to [[Casual Kink|include some BDSM]] into the plot, they might need to have some context and nuance to avoid having the audience [[Abuse Mistake|mistake it for abuse]]. But what if there's no room for nuances, or they think [[Viewers are Morons]] anyway? Simple! [[All Abusers Are Male]], right? And [[Useful Notes/BDSM|BDSM is gender neutral]], so the solution is simple: Make sure that it's never a woman being topped by a man.


If you want to know what we're talking about then, quick, think of the last time you saw BDSM portrayed in someway on popular television. What position was the man in? He was wearing a ball-gag and being dragged around by a collar and chain, you say? Well then, you've just encountered this trope. [[All Women Are Prudes|Only slightly less common]] are women in BDSM, and without even checking you can't deny that ''they're'' never the ones tied to a bedpost and being whipped. Well, not unless it's an outright porno. If there was a woman involved, she was a dominatrix, without exception. Men might be in a dominant role, but only if they are dominating another man because [[All Men Are Perverts]] and because [[Double Standard Rape Male On Male|rape isn't nearly as stigmatized when it's male on male]].
If you want to know what we're talking about then, quick, think of the last time you saw BDSM portrayed in someway on popular television. What position was the man in? He was wearing a ball-gag and being dragged around by a collar and chain, you say? Well then, you've just encountered this trope. [[All Women Are Prudes|Only slightly less common]] are women in BDSM, and without even checking you can't deny that ''they're'' never the ones tied to a bedpost and being whipped. Well, not unless it's an outright porno. If there was a woman involved, she was a dominatrix, without exception. Men might be in a dominant role, but only if they are dominating another man because [[All Men Are Perverts]] and because [[Double Standard Rape Male On Male|rape isn't nearly as stigmatized when it's male on male]].


Actually, you might say you've only really encountered this trope when you notice that this is the only acceptable portrayal of BDSM on TV. If you want to know why, then try to imagine the opposite. The general populace tolerates the BDSM subculture on their televisions only when it can be [[Played for Laughs]] and no matter what you do, you can't play a man tying up and flogging a woman for laughs. [[Double Standard|You just can't]]. Besides, women look much hotter in Latex and holding riding crops than men in the same. It's funny when a woman dominates a man [[Men Act Women Are|because]] [[Sarcasm Mode|women are weak ineffectual creatures (rendering the action inoffensive) and men are supposed to be strong and dominant, thus any man in the role of sub deserves to be ridiculed and by no means sympathized with, even if he's being forced into it.]]
Actually, you might say you've only really encountered this trope when you notice that this is the only acceptable portrayal of BDSM on TV. If you want to know why, then try to imagine the opposite. The general populace tolerates the BDSM subculture on their televisions only when it can be [[Played for Laughs]] and no matter what you do, you can't play a man tying up and flogging a woman for laughs. [[Double Standard|You just can't]]. Besides, women look much hotter in Latex and holding riding crops than men in the same. It's funny when a woman dominates a man [[Men Act, Women Are|because]] [[Sarcasm Mode|women are weak ineffectual creatures (rendering the action inoffensive) and men are supposed to be strong and dominant, thus any man in the role of sub deserves to be ridiculed and by no means sympathized with, even if he's being forced into it.]]


This trope tends only to be in effect when [[Bondage Is Bad]] is at least toned down. If the villain is the one being portrayed as BDSM enthusiast, then he stands a good chance of torturing women; just don't expect anyone but a really evil villainess to enjoy it. The main purpose of this trope is to make BDSM imagery viable for comedy. Secondarily, it can also make BDSM relationships palatable enough to the common viewership for our characters to explore the idea... via ancillary characters who only exist until the end of the episode.
This trope tends only to be in effect when [[Bondage Is Bad]] is at least toned down. If the villain is the one being portrayed as BDSM enthusiast, then he stands a good chance of torturing women; just don't expect anyone but a really evil villainess to enjoy it. The main purpose of this trope is to make BDSM imagery viable for comedy. Secondarily, it can also make BDSM relationships palatable enough to the common viewership for our characters to explore the idea... via ancillary characters who only exist until the end of the episode.
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This trope is also most common in television and movies. The more private nature of printed works often prevents them having to appeal to such a wide and public audience, the facilitation of which is the main function of this trope.
This trope is also most common in television and movies. The more private nature of printed works often prevents them having to appeal to such a wide and public audience, the facilitation of which is the main function of this trope.


Obviously a [[Double Standard]]. Compare to [[Double Standard Rape Female On Male]], [[Double Standard Rape Male On Male]], and [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil]] (which this overlaps with far more than it should), as well as [[Bondage Is Bad]] (one of the reasons for the overlap) and [[Aggressive Submissive]]. On a lighter note, also compare [[Bastard Girlfriend]], [[Dominatrix]], [[Property of Love]] and [[Friendly War]], as well as [[Safe Sane and Consensual]] and [[Safe Word]].
Obviously a [[Double Standard]]. Compare to [[Double Standard Rape Female On Male]], [[Double Standard Rape Male On Male]], and [[Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil]] (which this overlaps with far more than it should), as well as [[Bondage Is Bad]] (one of the reasons for the overlap) and [[Aggressive Submissive]]. On a lighter note, also compare [[Bastard Girlfriend]], [[Dominatrix]], [[Property of Love]] and [[Friendly War]], as well as [[Safe, Sane, and Consensual]] and [[Safe Word]].
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== [[Anime and Manga]] ==
== [[Anime and Manga]] ==
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** On a side note, the original ''Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei'' almost averted this by flashing some images of girls tied up in shibari position at the beginning of its opening. It was intended to be comical which should have averted the trope, but the comedy is derived from the juxtaposition of the seriousness of showing such images as opposed to the general comedic content of the show.
** On a side note, the original ''Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei'' almost averted this by flashing some images of girls tied up in shibari position at the beginning of its opening. It was intended to be comical which should have averted the trope, but the comedy is derived from the juxtaposition of the seriousness of showing such images as opposed to the general comedic content of the show.
* ''[[Sorcerer Hunters]]'' - Carrot and pretty much every female in the show.
* ''[[Sorcerer Hunters]]'' - Carrot and pretty much every female in the show.
* In ''[[He Is My Master]]'', Yoshitaka never quite gets to do the sick and perverted things he wants to do to his maids. Not even when it would make complete logical sense that he should be able to. The plot always contrives to stop him. It even seems, to all outward appearances, as if Mitsuki (and at one point Anna) would be totally okay with this. But it never happens. [[What an Idiot|He doesn't even seem to consider Mitsuki a viable target]].
* In ''[[He Is My Master]]'', Yoshitaka never quite gets to do the sick and perverted things he wants to do to his maids. Not even when it would make complete logical sense that he should be able to. The plot always contrives to stop him. It even seems, to all outward appearances, as if Mitsuki (and at one point Anna) would be totally okay with this. But it never happens. [[What an Idiot!|He doesn't even seem to consider Mitsuki a viable target]].
** In fact as he ends up being bound and whipped by Izumi and some french girl in one episode.
** In fact as he ends up being bound and whipped by Izumi and some french girl in one episode.
** However, there is that one picture in the third episode we get where Izumi is imagining where things will go if Anna becomes Yoshitaka's maid, and that's pretty much a full aversion as it is totally [[Played for Laughs]] (But it was probably only allowed because nothing actually happened).
** However, there is that one picture in the third episode we get where Izumi is imagining where things will go if Anna becomes Yoshitaka's maid, and that's pretty much a full aversion as it is totally [[Played for Laughs]] (But it was probably only allowed because nothing actually happened).
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** The one exception was in the ''[[Other M]]'' review when he depicted Samus being dragged around on a leash, but its probably okay because she's still wearing her suit and doesn't look like a girl. More to the point, it illustrated Yahtzee's opinion of ''Other M'''s writing.
** The one exception was in the ''[[Other M]]'' review when he depicted Samus being dragged around on a leash, but its probably okay because she's still wearing her suit and doesn't look like a girl. More to the point, it illustrated Yahtzee's opinion of ''Other M'''s writing.
** The other exception was [[Lara Croft]] being flogged by her developer.
** The other exception was [[Lara Croft]] being flogged by her developer.
* Lighter example because you can only have chains in fanfic and also nobody will hesitate to throw a punch, but [[That Guy With the Glasses]]. The boys tend to be easily dominated and enjoy it ([[The Nostalgia Critic (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Critic]] likes dommy women so much that he's willing to be snuffed by them if they play a good song), while the girls are [[Masculine Girl Feminine Boy]] at least or [[Bastard Girlfriend]] at most.
* Lighter example because you can only have chains in fanfic and also nobody will hesitate to throw a punch, but [[That Guy With the Glasses]]. The boys tend to be easily dominated and enjoy it ([[The Nostalgia Critic (Web Video)|The Nostalgia Critic]] likes dommy women so much that he's willing to be snuffed by them if they play a good song), while the girls are [[Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy]] at least or [[Bastard Girlfriend]] at most.
* Averted in ''[[Chakona Space]]'', in foxtaur society vixens are expected to be the dominant gender, Lorene had a lot of trouble finding a mate as she was a natural submissive. Then Garrek was raped by his sister using pheromones that screwed up his hormones and made him more aggressive, the village shaman suggested he try "venting" on Lorene.
* Averted in ''[[Chakona Space]]'', in foxtaur society vixens are expected to be the dominant gender, Lorene had a lot of trouble finding a mate as she was a natural submissive. Then Garrek was raped by his sister using pheromones that screwed up his hormones and made him more aggressive, the village shaman suggested he try "venting" on Lorene.


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