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{{quote|'''[[Conspiracy Theorist|The Question]]:''' Reaching back to [[Ancient Egypt]], there's been a single cabal of powerful individuals directing the course of human history. But the common man prefers to believe they don't exist, which aids their success.<br />
{{quote|'''[[Conspiracy Theorist|The Question]]:''' Reaching back to [[Ancient Egypt]], there's been a single cabal of powerful individuals directing the course of human history. But the common man prefers to believe they don't exist, which aids their success.<br />
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When it appears in a television series, it is usually the [[Big Bad]] behind almost everything, [[The Man Behind the Man]] to all others. Expect to see a lot of them in the form of [[The Omniscient Council of Vagueness]]. They also tend to employ the [[Xanatos Gambit]] and the [[Gambit Roulette]]. In modern times, an [[Ancient Conspiracy]] commonly overlaps with [[The Syndicate]].
When it appears in a television series, it is usually the [[Big Bad]] behind almost everything, [[The Man Behind the Man]] to all others. Expect to see a lot of them in the form of [[The Omniscient Council of Vagueness]]. They also tend to employ the [[Xanatos Gambit]] and the [[Gambit Roulette]]. In modern times, an [[Ancient Conspiracy]] commonly overlaps with [[The Syndicate]].


The [[Ancient Conspiracy]] is a subtrope of [[The Conspiracy]] and a subset of the [[Powers That Be]]. Contrast with the benevolent [[Ancient Tradition]] and the harmlessly benign [[Brotherhood of Funny Hats]]. The [[Path of Inspiration]] is a specific type of this, and [[Hollywood Satanism|Hollywood Satanists]] may or may not be involved in the conspiracy. May be an [[NGO Superpower]]. Not to be confused with the [[Xanth (Literature)|Adult Conspiracy]].
The [[Ancient Conspiracy]] is a subtrope of [[The Conspiracy]] and a subset of the [[Powers That Be]]. Contrast with the benevolent [[Ancient Tradition]] and the harmlessly benign [[Brotherhood of Funny Hats]]. The [[Path of Inspiration]] is a specific type of this, and [[Hollywood Satanism|Hollywood Satanists]] may or may not be involved in the conspiracy. May be an [[NGO Superpower]]. Not to be confused with the [[Xanth|Adult Conspiracy]].
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* SEELE in ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' has the trappings of one, but they can't possibly have existed before the 1950s - when the actual Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered - and powerful shadowy cabals like that don't just appear overnight either.
* SEELE in ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' has the trappings of one, but they can't possibly have existed before the 1950s - when the actual Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered - and powerful shadowy cabals like that don't just appear overnight either.
** Then again, maybe they discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls ages ago, and only informed the rest of the world in the 1950s...
** Then again, maybe they discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls ages ago, and only informed the rest of the world in the 1950s...
* SEARRS in ''[[Mai-HiME (Anime)|Mai-HiME]]'', and there is at least one more, unrelated.
* SEARRS in ''[[Mai-HiME]]'', and there is at least one more, unrelated.
* Both the "Symbol" organization and the Gowa clan in ''[[Gasaraki]]''.
* Both the "Symbol" organization and the Gowa clan in ''[[Gasaraki]]''.
* Les Soldats in ''[[Noir (Anime)|Noir]]''.
* Les Soldats in ''[[Noir (anime)|Noir]]''.
* Enfant in ''[[Madlax]]'' had the feel of an ancient conspiracy and used the power of ancient texts, though the actual organization seemed to be [[The Syndicate|more recent]].
* Enfant in ''[[Madlax]]'' had the feel of an ancient conspiracy and used the power of ancient texts, though the actual organization seemed to be [[The Syndicate|more recent]].
* Both the British Library and Dokusensha in ''[[ROD the TV]]''.
* Both the British Library and Dokusensha in ''[[ROD the TV]]''.
* The Hunters in ''[[Spiral]]'' look this way in the anime, but the manga reveals that they've only existed as long as the teenage Blade Children have been alive.
* The Hunters in ''[[Spiral]]'' look this way in the anime, but the manga reveals that they've only existed as long as the teenage Blade Children have been alive.
* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh]]'' takes the uncommon (but not unheard of) approach in Season 4 that ''everything'' that's ever gone wrong in history was the doing of ''one'' conspiracy, namely, the [[Cult]], Doma.
* ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' takes the uncommon (but not unheard of) approach in Season 4 that ''everything'' that's ever gone wrong in history was the doing of ''one'' conspiracy, namely, the [[Cult]], Doma.
* The Shuffle Alliance of ''[[Mobile Fighter G Gundam (Anime)|G Gundam]]'', which secretly arbitrated nearly every world war in history and perfected the art of talking in perfect unison.
* The Shuffle Alliance of ''[[Mobile Fighter G Gundam|G Gundam]]'', which secretly arbitrated nearly every world war in history and perfected the art of talking in perfect unison.
* Esset in ''[[Weiss Kreuz]]''.
* Esset in ''[[Weiss Kreuz]]''.
* The Bahbem Foundation in ''[[Rah Xephon]]''
* The Bahbem Foundation in ''[[RahXephon]]''
* The true nature of the Heaven's Feel in ''[[Fate Stay Night (Visual Novel)|Fate Stay Night]]'' and ''[[Fate Zero (Literature)|Fate Zero]]''. Specifically, the goals of the three families Einsbern, Makiri, and Tohsaka.
* The true nature of the Heaven's Feel in ''[[Fate/stay night|Fate Stay Night]]'' and ''[[Fate/Zero]]''. Specifically, the goals of the three families Einsbern, Makiri, and Tohsaka.
** The Mage's Association itself qualifies. As does the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament.
** The Mage's Association itself qualifies. As does the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament.
* The homunculi in ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist (Manga)|Fullmetal Alchemist]]''.
* The homunculi in ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist (manga)|Fullmetal Alchemist]]''.
** In the Manga {{spoiler|Father/the First homunculi is both the founder and leader of said Ancient Conspiracy which has some ''[[Government Conspiracy]]''-ish traits.}}
** In the Manga {{spoiler|Father/the First homunculi is both the founder and leader of said Ancient Conspiracy which has some ''[[Government Conspiracy]]''-ish traits.}}
** In the Anime {{spoiler|it's slightly less conspiracy-centric but Dante acts as the founder and leader of a conspiracy dating back to a quasi-dark age. Her plan is simply to use the philosopher stone and transfer herself to a new body.}}
** In the Anime {{spoiler|it's slightly less conspiracy-centric but Dante acts as the founder and leader of a conspiracy dating back to a quasi-dark age. Her plan is simply to use the philosopher stone and transfer herself to a new body.}}
* The Book Men in ''[[Princess Tutu]]''.
* The Book Men in ''[[Princess Tutu]]''.
* The Lost One Hundred Years and perhaps the Will of D as well in ''[[One Piece (Manga)|One Piece]]''. The lost century considered to be a pretty big threat to the [[The Government|World Government]]. Such that anyone who is even ''able'' to read the ancient history will automatically be targeted by the World Government and labeled a dangerous criminal.
* The Lost One Hundred Years and perhaps the Will of D as well in ''[[One Piece]]''. The lost century considered to be a pretty big threat to the [[The Government|World Government]]. Such that anyone who is even ''able'' to read the ancient history will automatically be targeted by the World Government and labeled a dangerous criminal.
** The ancient history is recorded on the Ponyglyths, as well as the location of various ''[[Lost Technology]]'', capable of massive destruction.
** The ancient history is recorded on the Ponyglyths, as well as the location of various ''[[Lost Technology]]'', capable of massive destruction.
* {{spoiler|Celestial Being}} in ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00 (Anime)|Gundam 00]]''. To accomplish their goals of {{spoiler|wiping out war and unifying humanity,}} they have subverted the greatest minds of the scientific community and formed a development chain that lasted over ''two hundred years'', all to ensure utter technological [[Humongous Mecha]] domination when they chose to reveal themselves. In the process, they even {{spoiler|''executed a round trip to Jupiter''.}}
* {{spoiler|Celestial Being}} in ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00|Gundam 00]]''. To accomplish their goals of {{spoiler|wiping out war and unifying humanity,}} they have subverted the greatest minds of the scientific community and formed a development chain that lasted over ''two hundred years'', all to ensure utter technological [[Humongous Mecha]] domination when they chose to reveal themselves. In the process, they even {{spoiler|''executed a round trip to Jupiter''.}}
** And in a peculiar twist on the trope, this [[Ancient Conspiracy]] is mostly staffed by the heroes. {{spoiler|The resident [[Big Bad]] is also a member, who is trying to co-opt the organization's resources for his own means.}}
** And in a peculiar twist on the trope, this [[Ancient Conspiracy]] is mostly staffed by the heroes. {{spoiler|The resident [[Big Bad]] is also a member, who is trying to co-opt the organization's resources for his own means.}}
* ''[[Scrapped Princess]]'' has Lord Browning's plan, a five-thousand-year long [[Batman Gambit]] to [[Rage Against the Heavens|bring down Providence]]. {{spoiler|Zefiris and Natalie}} keep the scheme on track [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|whatever it takes]]. {{spoiler|Notable for planning [[The End of the World As We Know It]] and manipulating the entire cast into doing their bidding ''without'' being evil.}}
* ''[[Scrapped Princess]]'' has Lord Browning's plan, a five-thousand-year long [[Batman Gambit]] to [[Rage Against the Heavens|bring down Providence]]. {{spoiler|Zefiris and Natalie}} keep the scheme on track [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|whatever it takes]]. {{spoiler|Notable for planning [[The End of the World as We Know It]] and manipulating the entire cast into doing their bidding ''without'' being evil.}}
* Yliaster in ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh 5 Ds]]''.
* Yliaster in ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's]]''.
* ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' has the heroes eventually discovering that {{spoiler|humanity was relocated underground against their will}} by Lordgenome who himself created the Beastmen for this very purpose. Few years after killing him, it turns out that Lordgenome was only doing this for the greater good: {{spoiler|with the population growing uncontrollably, [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|the Anti-Spirals are now targeting Earth for extermination]].}} During the quest to {{spoiler|off the Anti-Spirals as well}}, they reveal that they are ''also'' working for the greater good by suppressing all Spiral races in an effort to protect the universe from '''[[It Got Worse|total existence failure]] via [[The End of the World As We Know It|Spiral Nemesis]]'''.
* ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' has the heroes eventually discovering that {{spoiler|humanity was relocated underground against their will}} by Lordgenome who himself created the Beastmen for this very purpose. Few years after killing him, it turns out that Lordgenome was only doing this for the greater good: {{spoiler|with the population growing uncontrollably, [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|the Anti-Spirals are now targeting Earth for extermination]].}} During the quest to {{spoiler|off the Anti-Spirals as well}}, they reveal that they are ''also'' working for the greater good by suppressing all Spiral races in an effort to protect the universe from '''[[It Got Worse|total existence failure]] via [[The End of the World as We Know It|Spiral Nemesis]]'''.
* The Vist Foundation from ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn]]''.
* The Vist Foundation from ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn]]''.
* ''[[The Castle of Cagliostro (Anime)|The Castleof Cagliostro]]'' has the Cagliostro family's secret counterfeiting ring through which they've secretly controlled global economics for centuries.
* ''[[The Castle of Cagliostro|The Castleof Cagliostro]]'' has the Cagliostro family's secret counterfeiting ring through which they've secretly controlled global economics for centuries.
* The Daath Organization in ''[[Guilty Crown]]''.
* The Daath Organization in ''[[Guilty Crown]]''.


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== Comic Books ==
== Comic Books ==
* The Conspiracy from the [[Batman]] ''Legends of the Dark Knight'' three-issue [[Arc]] of the same name.
* The Conspiracy from the [[Batman]] ''Legends of the Dark Knight'' three-issue [[Arc]] of the same name.
* The Minutemen and The Trust from ''[[One Hundred Bullets (Comic Book)|One Hundred Bullets]]''.
* The Minutemen and The Trust from ''[[100 Bullets|One Hundred Bullets]]''.
* The Grail in ''[[Preacher (Comic Book)]]''.
* The Grail in ''[[Preacher (Comic Book)]]''.
* The Catholic Church in ''numerous'' [[Chick Tract|Chick Tracts]].
* The Catholic Church in ''numerous'' [[Chick Tract|Chick Tracts]].
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* The Nine Families in ''[[Le Scorpion]]'' who ruled ancient Rome and seek to control the world by controlling the catholic Church in the 18th century.
* The Nine Families in ''[[Le Scorpion]]'' who ruled ancient Rome and seek to control the world by controlling the catholic Church in the 18th century.
* The Secret Monarchy of the World in Ed Brubaker's ''[[Sleeper (Comic Book)|Sleeper]]''.
* The Secret Monarchy of the World in Ed Brubaker's ''[[Sleeper (Comic Book)|Sleeper]]''.
* The Five Archons in ''[[The Secret History (Comic Book)|The Secret History]]''. They control world events from behind the scenes, and many real-world or suspected real conspiracies are revealed to be run by the Archons.
* The Five Archons in ''[[The Secret History (comics)|The Secret History]]''. They control world events from behind the scenes, and many real-world or suspected real conspiracies are revealed to be run by the Archons.
* The villains of ''[[The Unwritten]]''.
* The villains of ''[[The Unwritten]]''.


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== Film ==
== Film ==
* The Illuminati in the ''[[Lara Croft Tomb Raider (Film)|Lara Croft Tomb Raider]]'' movies.
* The Illuminati in the ''[[Lara Croft: Tomb Raider|Lara Croft Tomb Raider]]'' movies.
* The Masonic group protecting the ''[[National Treasure]]''.
* The Masonic group protecting the ''[[National Treasure]]''.
* The League of Shadows in ''[[Batman Begins]]'' is an example of an Ancient Conspiracy that [[Knight Templar|does evil in service of a "good" goal]].
* The League of Shadows in ''[[Batman Begins]]'' is an example of an Ancient Conspiracy that [[Knight Templar|does evil in service of a "good" goal]].
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* The House Targaryen from ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]'', once masters of dragons, had served as the ruling family of the Seven Kingdoms for three centuries, during which {{spoiler|they attempted to resurrect the long-dead dragons (well dead for about 150-200 years as of the start of the series - Aegon conquered Westeros for the Targaryens using his dragons) and find [[The Chosen One]] for at least a hundred years}}. As by the series standard, the family has not been portrayed as wholly good or evil, but some individuals frequently swerve to some extreme.
* The House Targaryen from ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]'', once masters of dragons, had served as the ruling family of the Seven Kingdoms for three centuries, during which {{spoiler|they attempted to resurrect the long-dead dragons (well dead for about 150-200 years as of the start of the series - Aegon conquered Westeros for the Targaryens using his dragons) and find [[The Chosen One]] for at least a hundred years}}. As by the series standard, the family has not been portrayed as wholly good or evil, but some individuals frequently swerve to some extreme.
** Also, in a straight example, the Maesters, the fantasy equivalent of [[Omnidisciplinary Scientist|Omnidisciplinary Scientists]] (they literally learn a little bit about everything, in order to be better advisor-types). Their love of science and the codifiable, however, has apparently lead them to {{spoiler|attempt to destroy all magic, possibly by weakening the dragons, as mentioned above; an old legend states that without dragons in the world, there can be no magic}}.
** Also, in a straight example, the Maesters, the fantasy equivalent of [[Omnidisciplinary Scientist|Omnidisciplinary Scientists]] (they literally learn a little bit about everything, in order to be better advisor-types). Their love of science and the codifiable, however, has apparently lead them to {{spoiler|attempt to destroy all magic, possibly by weakening the dragons, as mentioned above; an old legend states that without dragons in the world, there can be no magic}}.
* In Umberto Eco's ''[[Foucaults Pendulum]]'', the main characters {{spoiler|invent an ancient conspiracy out of whole cloth, which is taken to be real by virtually everyone else... including a couple of groups named in it, who are rather put out that they don't seem to have all that power anymore, and want the protagonists to help them regain it!}}
* In Umberto Eco's ''[[Foucault's Pendulum]]'', the main characters {{spoiler|invent an ancient conspiracy out of whole cloth, which is taken to be real by virtually everyone else... including a couple of groups named in it, who are rather put out that they don't seem to have all that power anymore, and want the protagonists to help them regain it!}}
* The Consult in ''[[Second Apocalypse]]''.
* The Consult in ''[[Second Apocalypse]]''.
* In [[Orson Scott Card]]'s ''Homecoming'' series, the true nature and purpose of The Oversoul could be considered an ancient conspiracy.
* In [[Orson Scott Card]]'s ''Homecoming'' series, the true nature and purpose of The Oversoul could be considered an ancient conspiracy.
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* Humorously subverted in ''[[The Areas of My Expertise]]'':
* Humorously subverted in ''[[The Areas of My Expertise]]'':
{{quote| "It is true that all of the past fourteen presidential candidates have been Bonesmen, with the exception of Ralph Nader, who was merely of member of the much less prestigious consumer-advocacy society Scroll and Seatbelt. And it is also true that Skull and Bones was originally chartered by the Illuminati and Knights Templar in order to infiltrate the Secret World Government at Yale's New Haven campus. But having failed to make any progress in this goal, the Bonesmen now focus almost entirely on tending to the pterodactyls on their private island and on ritual masturbation."}}
{{quote| "It is true that all of the past fourteen presidential candidates have been Bonesmen, with the exception of Ralph Nader, who was merely of member of the much less prestigious consumer-advocacy society Scroll and Seatbelt. And it is also true that Skull and Bones was originally chartered by the Illuminati and Knights Templar in order to infiltrate the Secret World Government at Yale's New Haven campus. But having failed to make any progress in this goal, the Bonesmen now focus almost entirely on tending to the pterodactyls on their private island and on ritual masturbation."}}
* In [[Jorge Luis Borges]] short story "[[Tlon Uqbar Orbis Tertius (Literature)|Tlon Uqbar Orbis Tertius]]" the protagonist reasons that the only explanation for the creation of the incredibly intricate encyclopedia for the fictional country known as Tlön.
* In [[Jorge Luis Borges]] short story "[[Tlon Uqbar Orbis Tertius]]" the protagonist reasons that the only explanation for the creation of the incredibly intricate encyclopedia for the fictional country known as Tlön.
* The Evil Librarians, in [[Brandon Sanderson]]'s ''[[Alcatraz Series (Literature)|Alcatraz Series]]''.
* The Evil Librarians, in [[Brandon Sanderson]]'s ''[[Alcatraz Series]]''.
* In ''[[Angels and Demons]]'', the Illuminati are a secret organization of scientists who oppose the Catholic Church, and try to destroy the Vatican with an antimatter bomb. {{spoiler|Subverted in that the organization does not exist anymore and all of the Illuminati symbols were planted by the Camerlengo in an attempt to get himself elected pope and restore faith in Christianity. He...kind of succeeds.}}
* In ''[[Angels and Demons]]'', the Illuminati are a secret organization of scientists who oppose the Catholic Church, and try to destroy the Vatican with an antimatter bomb. {{spoiler|Subverted in that the organization does not exist anymore and all of the Illuminati symbols were planted by the Camerlengo in an attempt to get himself elected pope and restore faith in Christianity. He...kind of succeeds.}}
* Spoofed in the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' [[Eighth Doctor Adventures]] novel ''Trading Futures'':
* Spoofed in the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' [[Eighth Doctor Adventures]] novel ''Trading Futures'':
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* The Cahill Family from ''[[The 39 Clues]]''.
* The Cahill Family from ''[[The 39 Clues]]''.
* The Grail Brotherhood from [[Tad Williams]]' ''[[Otherland]]''. It isn't that old (its leader and founding member is a mere 200 years old), but it fits all the other criteria.
* The Grail Brotherhood from [[Tad Williams]]' ''[[Otherland]]''. It isn't that old (its leader and founding member is a mere 200 years old), but it fits all the other criteria.
* [[Vernor Vinge]]'s ''[[A Fire Upon the Deep (Literature)|A Fire Upon the Deep]]'' contains an extremely dormant trap setup by [[Sealed Evil in A Can|the Blight]] the last time it was active, ''billions'' of years ago. {{spoiler|Those helpful Skroderiders everyone loves so much? They were uplifted specifically so that they would remain stable--neither transcend nor go extinct--and built with backdoor code so that the Blight could use them as slaves.}} Hexapodia is the key insight, after all.
* [[Vernor Vinge]]'s ''[[Zones of Thought|A Fire Upon the Deep]]'' contains an extremely dormant trap setup by [[Sealed Evil in a Can|the Blight]] the last time it was active, ''billions'' of years ago. {{spoiler|Those helpful Skroderiders everyone loves so much? They were uplifted specifically so that they would remain stable--neither transcend nor go extinct--and built with backdoor code so that the Blight could use them as slaves.}} Hexapodia is the key insight, after all.
* The Second Foundation fits in the ''[[Foundation]]'' Series, by [[Isaac Asimov]]. While admittedly they are "only" five hundred years old by the end of the series, which takes place ''thousands'' of years into the future, they nevertheless manipulate the course of Galactic events towards their own ends for centuries. And until the end, quite successfully. However, they get beaten by an even older Ancient Conspiracy, {{spoiler|Gaia. Which itself is a 9,000 year old [[Batman Gambit]] by R. Daneel Olivaw, whose plans are more than 20,000 years old. Wow.}}
* The Second Foundation fits in the ''[[Foundation]]'' Series, by [[Isaac Asimov]]. While admittedly they are "only" five hundred years old by the end of the series, which takes place ''thousands'' of years into the future, they nevertheless manipulate the course of Galactic events towards their own ends for centuries. And until the end, quite successfully. However, they get beaten by an even older Ancient Conspiracy, {{spoiler|Gaia. Which itself is a 9,000 year old [[Batman Gambit]] by R. Daneel Olivaw, whose plans are more than 20,000 years old. Wow.}}
* ''[[Dune]]'': The Bene Gesserit worked for thousands of years to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, meaning they seduced every political leader that showed some talent, however inane, while portraying themselves as being mere servants to those political leaders.
* ''[[Dune]]'': The Bene Gesserit worked for thousands of years to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, meaning they seduced every political leader that showed some talent, however inane, while portraying themselves as being mere servants to those political leaders.
* The Bane Sidhe are a "good guys" variant on this, from [[John Ringo]]'s [[Posleen War Series]]. Also mentioned is the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), who are working with the Bane Sidhe against the [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|Darhel]] (who are an [[Ancient Conspiracy]] of their own) and human collaborators.
* The Bane Sidhe are a "good guys" variant on this, from [[John Ringo]]'s [[Posleen War Series]]. Also mentioned is the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), who are working with the Bane Sidhe against the [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|Darhel]] (who are an [[Ancient Conspiracy]] of their own) and human collaborators.
* Played straight in ''[[The Nights Dawn Trilogy (Literature)|The Nights Dawn Trilogy]]'', when one of the protagonists discovers that 27th century Earth (though not the [[The Federation|Confederation]]) has been controlled for centuries by the secret "security council" B7, which evolved from a cartel of [[Body Surf|virtually immortal]] [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|Corrupt Corporate Executives]]. Their mooks consist of the criminal underclass, who are made reliable by having their leaders be mind-controlled via bitek technology. At one stage the cartel conspired to have bitek banned so they could have sole use of this technology, thus inadvertently creating the breakaway [[Hive Mind|Edenist culture]]. Their sole goal is to hold onto their own power, though at least one (the Western Europe Supervisor) believes they have a moral obligation to their subjects -- he's something of an eccentric though; [[Who Wants to Live Forever?|bored with his immortal life]] he eventually takes voluntary exile on a prison planet.
* Played straight in ''[[The Nights Dawn Trilogy]]'', when one of the protagonists discovers that 27th century Earth (though not the [[The Federation|Confederation]]) has been controlled for centuries by the secret "security council" B7, which evolved from a cartel of [[Body Surf|virtually immortal]] [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|Corrupt Corporate Executives]]. Their mooks consist of the criminal underclass, who are made reliable by having their leaders be mind-controlled via bitek technology. At one stage the cartel conspired to have bitek banned so they could have sole use of this technology, thus inadvertently creating the breakaway [[Hive Mind|Edenist culture]]. Their sole goal is to hold onto their own power, though at least one (the Western Europe Supervisor) believes they have a moral obligation to their subjects -- he's something of an eccentric though; [[Who Wants to Live Forever?|bored with his immortal life]] he eventually takes voluntary exile on a prison planet.
* [[David Weber]] is quite fond of these:
* [[David Weber]] is quite fond of these:
** The Mesan Alignment turns out to be this the ''[[Honor Harrington (Literature)|Honor Harrington]]'' novels, having arranged {{spoiler|the actual fall of the Republic of Haven into the People's Republic by affecting their social dynamic for literally centuries}} and much more.
** The Mesan Alignment turns out to be this the ''[[Honor Harrington]]'' novels, having arranged {{spoiler|the actual fall of the Republic of Haven into the People's Republic by affecting their social dynamic for literally centuries}} and much more.
** The first book in ''[[Empire From the Ashes]]'' reveals that the Moon's mutinous crew have been manipulating human civilization from the very beginning, sometimes to halt scientific progress... and sometimes just [[For the Evulz]]. They have complete control over a variety of terrorist organizations and have puppets in all the major governments as well. {{spoiler|And then there are the counter-mutineers who have been waging a secret war against them.}}
** The first book in ''[[Empire From the Ashes]]'' reveals that the Moon's mutinous crew have been manipulating human civilization from the very beginning, sometimes to halt scientific progress... and sometimes just [[For the Evulz]]. They have complete control over a variety of terrorist organizations and have puppets in all the major governments as well. {{spoiler|And then there are the counter-mutineers who have been waging a secret war against them.}}
** In the [[Safehold]] novels, the entire Church of God Awaiting is a conspiracy so ancient they've forgotten about it. The counter-conspirators in the form of the Order of St Zherneau do remember things, though.
** In the [[Safehold]] novels, the entire Church of God Awaiting is a conspiracy so ancient they've forgotten about it. The counter-conspirators in the form of the Order of St Zherneau do remember things, though.
** [[In Fury Born]] has a huge conspiracy as well, backing the pirate raiders.
** [[In Fury Born]] has a huge conspiracy as well, backing the pirate raiders.
* "Comes a Horseman" by Robert Liparulo has the Watchers who were waiting patiently for Antichrist so that they can use all of their power and money to help him rise and they themselves can enjoy unbridled freedom. The twelve council members had either followed a parent into the position or have been recruited. {{spoiler|They were created before the middle ages to combat the rise of Christianity. They also have control of the ancestors of a norse colony that dissapeared by moving deep into Canada to avoid being forced into Christianity.}}
* "Comes a Horseman" by Robert Liparulo has the Watchers who were waiting patiently for Antichrist so that they can use all of their power and money to help him rise and they themselves can enjoy unbridled freedom. The twelve council members had either followed a parent into the position or have been recruited. {{spoiler|They were created before the middle ages to combat the rise of Christianity. They also have control of the ancestors of a norse colony that dissapeared by moving deep into Canada to avoid being forced into Christianity.}}
* The Jacks of All Trades from ''[[The Graveyard Book (Literature)|The Graveyard Book]]''.
* The Jacks of All Trades from ''[[The Graveyard Book]]''.
* The Society of the Evening Star from the ''[[Fablehaven (Literature)|Fablehaven]]'' series.
* The Society of the Evening Star from the ''[[Fablehaven]]'' series.
* The eponymous resistance movement in Keneth Bulmer's ''The Secret of ZI'' have been preparing for Earth's liberation from alien conquest for nearly 300 years... because {{spoiler|Earth's counterstrike was launched at sublight speeds and will take that long to reach the aliens' world.}}
* The eponymous resistance movement in Keneth Bulmer's ''The Secret of ZI'' have been preparing for Earth's liberation from alien conquest for nearly 300 years... because {{spoiler|Earth's counterstrike was launched at sublight speeds and will take that long to reach the aliens' world.}}
* The Dark Forest from ''[[Warrior Cats (Literature)|Warrior Cats]]'', which has influenced many cats, including clan leaders and plotted to overthrow the clans since long before Firestar came to the forest.
* The Dark Forest from ''[[Warrior Cats]]'', which has influenced many cats, including clan leaders and plotted to overthrow the clans since long before Firestar came to the forest.




== Live-Action TV ==
== Live-Action TV ==
* The Grim Reapers from the Series ''[[Grimm]]''
* The Grim Reapers from the Series ''[[Grimm]]''
* The Senior Partners and the Circle of the Black Thorn in ''[[Angel (TV)|Angel]]''.
* The Senior Partners and the Circle of the Black Thorn in ''[[Angel]]''.
* The "Syndicate" group from ''[[The X-Files]]''.
* The "Syndicate" group from ''[[The X-Files]]''.
* To some extent the Watcher's Council from ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV)|Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'', although they hover between this trope and [[Ancient Tradition]].
* To some extent the Watcher's Council from ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'', although they hover between this trope and [[Ancient Tradition]].
* The Millennium Group in ''[[Millennium (TV)|Millennium]]'', at least as depicted in the show's second season.
* The Millennium Group in ''[[Millennium (TV series)|Millennium]]'', at least as depicted in the show's second season.
* The Torchwood Institute from ''[[Doctor Who]]'' (its sinister facade of mystery fades prior to the debut of the ''[[Torchwood (TV)|Torchwood]]'' [[Spin-Off]]).
* The Torchwood Institute from ''[[Doctor Who]]'' (its sinister facade of mystery fades prior to the debut of the ''[[Torchwood]]'' [[Spin-Off]]).
** Also the Cult of Skaro.
** Also the Cult of Skaro.
** Plus the Silence, who have been ruling and controlling humanity secretly through post-hypnotic suggestion from when civilisation began {{spoiler|at least until the late 1960s}}. The Doctor had visited Earth literally hundreds of times and never even realised they were even there since he can't remember seeing them.
** Plus the Silence, who have been ruling and controlling humanity secretly through post-hypnotic suggestion from when civilisation began {{spoiler|at least until the late 1960s}}. The Doctor had visited Earth literally hundreds of times and never even realised they were even there since he can't remember seeing them.
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* The Cabal from ''[[Sanctuary]]''.
* The Cabal from ''[[Sanctuary]]''.
** And now 'Hollow Earth'
** And now 'Hollow Earth'
* The Company from ''[[Heroes (TV)|Heroes]]''.
* The Company from ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]''.
* From the very beginning, the idea that someone or something manipulated the characters of ''[[Lost (TV)|Lost]]'' to bring them to the island was a popular theory. The sixth season has finally confirmed that {{spoiler|Jacob messed with their lives to get them to the island}}, something the {{spoiler|Man in Black/Smoke Monster}} disapproves of.
* From the very beginning, the idea that someone or something manipulated the characters of ''[[Lost]]'' to bring them to the island was a popular theory. The sixth season has finally confirmed that {{spoiler|Jacob messed with their lives to get them to the island}}, something the {{spoiler|Man in Black/Smoke Monster}} disapproves of.
* In ''[[Community (TV)|Community]]'' according to Dean Laybourne, the society of air conditioning repairmen dates back to fan wavers in ancient Egypt.
* In ''[[Community]]'' according to Dean Laybourne, the society of air conditioning repairmen dates back to fan wavers in ancient Egypt.




== Tabletop Games ==
== Tabletop Games ==
* ''Illuminati'', a card game by [[Steve Jackson]] Games, is ''made'' of this. Each player takes on the role of one of eight ancient conspiracies: either the titular [[The Illuminati|Bavarian Illuminati]], the [[Swiss Bank Account|Gnomes of Zurich]], the [[Mystery Cult|Servants of]] [[Cthulhu Mythos|Cthulhu]], the [[Principia Discordia|Discordian Society]], [[The Hashshashin|the Society of Assassins]], [[The Internet|the Network]], [[The Bermuda Triangle|the Bermuda Triangle conspiracy]], or [[Alien Invasion|the UFOs]] (with a particular society, they can even be [[Aliens Steal Cattle|the cow-stealing variety!]]). Expansion packs introduce the [[Parody Religion|Church of the SubGenius]] and a [[Shamgri La|Shangri-La]] conspiracy. They then have to take over various interest groups (ranging from political parties to industries to fandoms to aliens). These generate money and can take over other groups, until your cards are arranged in a web. Each conspiracy has a specific goal, although all conspiracies can win by eliminating the competition.
* ''Illuminati'', a card game by [[Steve Jackson]] Games, is ''made'' of this. Each player takes on the role of one of eight ancient conspiracies: either the titular [[The Illuminati|Bavarian Illuminati]], the [[Swiss Bank Account|Gnomes of Zurich]], the [[Mystery Cult|Servants of]] [[Cthulhu Mythos|Cthulhu]], the [[Principia Discordia|Discordian Society]], [[The Hashshashin|the Society of Assassins]], [[The Internet|the Network]], [[The Bermuda Triangle|the Bermuda Triangle conspiracy]], or [[Alien Invasion|the UFOs]] (with a particular society, they can even be [[Aliens Steal Cattle|the cow-stealing variety!]]). Expansion packs introduce the [[Parody Religion|Church of the SubGenius]] and a [[Shamgri La|Shangri-La]] conspiracy. They then have to take over various interest groups (ranging from political parties to industries to fandoms to aliens). These generate money and can take over other groups, until your cards are arranged in a web. Each conspiracy has a specific goal, although all conspiracies can win by eliminating the competition.
* The Camarilla (and also the Sabbat, and also the Followers of Set, and also many internal conspiracies within vampiric societies...) in ''[[Vampire: The Masquerade (Tabletop Game)|Vampire: The Masquerade]]'' RPG. Vampires and ancient conspiracies generally go together like hand and glove, so this trope is often seen in vampire-related fiction/games/movies/what-have-you.
* The Camarilla (and also the Sabbat, and also the Followers of Set, and also many internal conspiracies within vampiric societies...) in ''[[Vampire: The Masquerade]]'' RPG. Vampires and ancient conspiracies generally go together like hand and glove, so this trope is often seen in vampire-related fiction/games/movies/what-have-you.
** The Mage/Vampire/Whatever conspiracies are so common in the old ''[[Old World of Darkness (Tabletop Game)|World of Darkness]]'' that it often seemed like the Holocaust was the ONE event in history that was solely the work of normal humans (since none of the supernaturals wanted the "credit" for it). However, as these conspiracies oppose and counter each other, they often fail to really control anything.
** The Mage/Vampire/Whatever conspiracies are so common in the old ''[[Old World of Darkness|World of Darkness]]'' that it often seemed like the Holocaust was the ONE event in history that was solely the work of normal humans (since none of the supernaturals wanted the "credit" for it). However, as these conspiracies oppose and counter each other, they often fail to really control anything.
** The Revised Edition, while [[Retcon|retconning]] out the "True Black Hand" nonsense, manages to deconstruct the trope fairly well. While the group in question had plenty of mortal and immortal "agents", the group itself was too fractional to do anything noteworthy with them, and the agents themselves knew so little about the group in question that they were useless for anything important.
** The Revised Edition, while [[Retcon|retconning]] out the "True Black Hand" nonsense, manages to deconstruct the trope fairly well. While the group in question had plenty of mortal and immortal "agents", the group itself was too fractional to do anything noteworthy with them, and the agents themselves knew so little about the group in question that they were useless for anything important.
* The reboot ''[[Vampire: The Requiem (Tabletop Game)|Vampire: The Requiem]]'' does this as well, although the scale of its conspiracies is much more local. They mainly influence mortal society in small ways without any overarching scheme. Sometimes they mess with people just as a game.
* The reboot ''[[Vampire: The Requiem]]'' does this as well, although the scale of its conspiracies is much more local. They mainly influence mortal society in small ways without any overarching scheme. Sometimes they mess with people just as a game.
* The Technocracy in the ''[[Mage: The Ascension (Tabletop Game)|Mage: The Ascension]]'' RPG is a group of super-scientists who work to change the very nature of reality by [[Clap Your Hands If You Believe|making humanity believe in science and disbelieve in magic]]. Sadly, they have been more successful in eroding people's faith in magic than in making them enthusiastic about science, meaning that people now don't really believe in anything, with [[Crapsack World|general apathy and despair]] as a result.
* The Technocracy in the ''[[Mage: The Ascension]]'' RPG is a group of super-scientists who work to change the very nature of reality by [[Clap Your Hands If You Believe|making humanity believe in science and disbelieve in magic]]. Sadly, they have been more successful in eroding people's faith in magic than in making them enthusiastic about science, meaning that people now don't really believe in anything, with [[Crapsack World|general apathy and despair]] as a result.
* The Seers of the Throne in the successor game ''[[Mage: The Awakening (Tabletop Game)|Mage: The Awakening]]'' are devoted to ensuring that humanity remains ignorant of the Gnostic truths of the universe by keeping as much control of human culture as possible, and directing it away from any supernatural insights whenever possible and necessary, a goal they have been pursuing since before the beginning of recorded history. It's noted that the Seers are organized in the manner of an ''extremely'' convoluted bureaucracy, with none of the members knowing the entire structure of it, and with the potential for members to be appointed to offices which are ultimately meaningless, but which can be taken so seriously that they eventually 'evolve' a meaning, based on the importance attributed to them. The Guardians of the Veil and the Silver Ladder are also arguably ancient conspiracies, albeit with arguably more altruistic goals (the former seeks to prevent humanity from finding truths they are not ready for, the latter seeks to help all of humanity to Awaken).
* The Seers of the Throne in the successor game ''[[Mage: The Awakening]]'' are devoted to ensuring that humanity remains ignorant of the Gnostic truths of the universe by keeping as much control of human culture as possible, and directing it away from any supernatural insights whenever possible and necessary, a goal they have been pursuing since before the beginning of recorded history. It's noted that the Seers are organized in the manner of an ''extremely'' convoluted bureaucracy, with none of the members knowing the entire structure of it, and with the potential for members to be appointed to offices which are ultimately meaningless, but which can be taken so seriously that they eventually 'evolve' a meaning, based on the importance attributed to them. The Guardians of the Veil and the Silver Ladder are also arguably ancient conspiracies, albeit with arguably more altruistic goals (the former seeks to prevent humanity from finding truths they are not ready for, the latter seeks to help all of humanity to Awaken).
** Also a [[Deconstruction]], in that their potential power is limited ''by'' their secrecy (as in, [[Right Hand Versus Left Hand]]) and that they spend so much of their time [[Deadly Decadent Court|fighting amongst themselves]] that their own schemes have a tendency to turn against them due to lack of supervision.
** Also a [[Deconstruction]], in that their potential power is limited ''by'' their secrecy (as in, [[Right Hand Versus Left Hand]]) and that they spend so much of their time [[Deadly Decadent Court|fighting amongst themselves]] that their own schemes have a tendency to turn against them due to lack of supervision.
* As long as we're on ''The World of Darkness'', there are so ''many'' ancient conspiracies in ''[[Hunter: The Vigil (Tabletop Game)|Hunter: The Vigil]]'' that it's hard to keep them straight. In fact, the largest possible organization of hunters is commonly called a "conspiracy." Ones that best fit the criteria include: the Aegis Kai Doru, relic hunters who date back to Ancient Greece; the Ascending Ones, Arabic alchemists who use the drug trade to fuel their quest against the darkness; the Cheiron Group, a recent [[Mega Corp|megacorporation]] with some very occluded origins who [[Theyd Cut You Up|perform medical experiments of supernaturals]] to <s>better mankind</s> increase their profit margins; the Lucifuge, made up of self-proclaimed children of the Devil who seek to fight against Hell and all its works; and the Malleus Maleficarum, the Catholic Church's black bag group.
* As long as we're on ''The World of Darkness'', there are so ''many'' ancient conspiracies in ''[[Hunter: The Vigil]]'' that it's hard to keep them straight. In fact, the largest possible organization of hunters is commonly called a "conspiracy." Ones that best fit the criteria include: the Aegis Kai Doru, relic hunters who date back to Ancient Greece; the Ascending Ones, Arabic alchemists who use the drug trade to fuel their quest against the darkness; the Cheiron Group, a recent [[Mega Corp|megacorporation]] with some very occluded origins who [[Theyd Cut You Up|perform medical experiments of supernaturals]] to <s>better mankind</s> increase their profit margins; the Lucifuge, made up of self-proclaimed children of the Devil who seek to fight against Hell and all its works; and the Malleus Maleficarum, the Catholic Church's black bag group.
* In another ''World of Darkness'' example, ''[[Geist: The Sin Eaters (Tabletop Game)|Geist: The Sin Eaters]]'' has introduced tiers of organization for krewes, the "gangs" of the game. Tier 3 is the Conspiracy level, a national-to-global level death cult that's pretty much a strange mixture of religion, mystery cult, and political group. Subverted in that there's a reason they're ''Ancient'' Conspiracies -- no Tier 3 krewes exist in the present day of the setting. However, the core book does include sample Tier 3 krewes, such as an African tradition devoted to protecting the grave goods of the dead, a Hindu death cult that attacked the wicked, and a Soviet experiment in near-death experiences that eventually got taken over from within by the Sin-Eaters it generated.
* In another ''World of Darkness'' example, ''[[Geist: The Sin Eaters]]'' has introduced tiers of organization for krewes, the "gangs" of the game. Tier 3 is the Conspiracy level, a national-to-global level death cult that's pretty much a strange mixture of religion, mystery cult, and political group. Subverted in that there's a reason they're ''Ancient'' Conspiracies -- no Tier 3 krewes exist in the present day of the setting. However, the core book does include sample Tier 3 krewes, such as an African tradition devoted to protecting the grave goods of the dead, a Hindu death cult that attacked the wicked, and a Soviet experiment in near-death experiences that eventually got taken over from within by the Sin-Eaters it generated.
* The fan-made expansion ''[[Genius: The Transgression (Tabletop Game)|Genius: The Transgression]]'' has, among others, Lemuria -- an ancient conspiracy that [[Vestigial Empire|ain't quite what it used to be]].
* The fan-made expansion ''[[Genius: The Transgression]]'' has, among others, Lemuria -- an ancient conspiracy that [[Vestigial Empire|ain't quite what it used to be]].
* Oh, where to ''begin'' in ''[[Warhammer 40000]]''? The existence of Chaos and daemons is kept secret by the Inquisition from as many people as it can be, the Orks and Eldar were originally created to fight the Necrons, the C'Tan spliced the pariah gene into proto-humanity for later harvesting, God-Emperor only knows what's up with the Adeptus Mechanicus... the list goes on.
* Oh, where to ''begin'' in ''[[Warhammer 40000]]''? The existence of Chaos and daemons is kept secret by the Inquisition from as many people as it can be, the Orks and Eldar were originally created to fight the Necrons, the C'Tan spliced the pariah gene into proto-humanity for later harvesting, God-Emperor only knows what's up with the Adeptus Mechanicus... the list goes on.
** And then there's 'effing Tzeentch, a one-god ancient conspiracy who has his hand in ''everything.'' Yes, even the plans that oppose each other.
** And then there's 'effing Tzeentch, a one-god ancient conspiracy who has his hand in ''everything.'' Yes, even the plans that oppose each other.
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** Isn't the Emperor something like this as well? He's basically as old as humanity itself, minus the lives of those first shamans.
** Isn't the Emperor something like this as well? He's basically as old as humanity itself, minus the lives of those first shamans.
** Hell, in the grim darkness of the far future, the ancient conspiracies are riddled with ancient conspiracies.
** Hell, in the grim darkness of the far future, the ancient conspiracies are riddled with ancient conspiracies.
* The Ascended from ''[[Feng Shui (Tabletop Game)|Feng Shui]]'' are a conspiracy of animals that have taken human form in defiance of the natural order. They control everything in the 1850 and contemporary junctures since using [[Time Travel]] to capture enough feng shui sites to cause a Critical Shift and evict the world's previous rulers, the Four Monarchs, to the Netherworld by pulling history out from under them. Because magic is the only thing that can revert these transformed animals back to their natural forms, one of their driving goals is to suppress magic, relying on the media and scientists to discredit those who try to prove that magic is real, and Pledged hit squads to kill known sorcerers and supernatural creatures. It doesn't exactly help that most sorcerers and supernatural creatures tend toward the evil persuasion themselves.
* The Ascended from ''[[Feng Shui]]'' are a conspiracy of animals that have taken human form in defiance of the natural order. They control everything in the 1850 and contemporary junctures since using [[Time Travel]] to capture enough feng shui sites to cause a Critical Shift and evict the world's previous rulers, the Four Monarchs, to the Netherworld by pulling history out from under them. Because magic is the only thing that can revert these transformed animals back to their natural forms, one of their driving goals is to suppress magic, relying on the media and scientists to discredit those who try to prove that magic is real, and Pledged hit squads to kill known sorcerers and supernatural creatures. It doesn't exactly help that most sorcerers and supernatural creatures tend toward the evil persuasion themselves.
* The Kolat from ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' provide the obligatory shadowy conspiracy in that particular setting. Since the basic structure of Rokugan's society was set down by mystical beings from on high, the Kolat seeks to return control of the world to the hands of mortal men. Themselves specifically, of course, lest they be mistaken for having purely noble intentions. Of course, within the setting, doing away with the influence of the Kami would likely lead to an apocalyptic breakdown of the entire society.
* The Kolat from ''[[Legend of the Five Rings]]'' provide the obligatory shadowy conspiracy in that particular setting. Since the basic structure of Rokugan's society was set down by mystical beings from on high, the Kolat seeks to return control of the world to the hands of mortal men. Themselves specifically, of course, lest they be mistaken for having purely noble intentions. Of course, within the setting, doing away with the influence of the Kami would likely lead to an apocalyptic breakdown of the entire society.


* Take your pick of them in the Dark*Matter setting for [[D 20 Modern]] game. Ancient conspiracy within ancient conspiracy facing off against other conspiracies. Aliens, humans, and odder things all conspiring for or against something or another. It's probably the main focus of the setting.
* Take your pick of them in the Dark*Matter setting for [[D20 Modern]] game. Ancient conspiracy within ancient conspiracy facing off against other conspiracies. Aliens, humans, and odder things all conspiring for or against something or another. It's probably the main focus of the setting.
* The name says it all. This is also probably one of the best examples of this Trope in existence. What is it? None other that ''[[GURPS]]'' Illuminati.
* The name says it all. This is also probably one of the best examples of this Trope in existence. What is it? None other that ''[[GURPS]]'' Illuminati.
* ''[[Paranoia]]'' is a game set in a post-apocalyptic, dystopian city where everything is controlled by The Computer. The Computer is extremely paranoid about ancient conspiracies and has the players hunt them down. Some of the conspiracies actually exist. Okay, a lot of them do. Unfortunately, the players are always part of [[Flock of Wolves|at least one ancient conspiracy]], and have to hide this fact.
* ''[[Paranoia]]'' is a game set in a post-apocalyptic, dystopian city where everything is controlled by The Computer. The Computer is extremely paranoid about ancient conspiracies and has the players hunt them down. Some of the conspiracies actually exist. Okay, a lot of them do. Unfortunately, the players are always part of [[Flock of Wolves|at least one ancient conspiracy]], and have to hide this fact.
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== Videogames ==
== Videogames ==
* The online game ''[[Exmortis]] 2'' has the main character seeking to save the final dredges of humanity in a post apocalyptic world ripped bare by monsters from hell. You solve the point and click puzzles, race the descending evil clouds of doom, follow the clues and scare the living ''hell'' out of yourself in the process, only to win and discover that {{spoiler|the bad guy you thought you were defeating was actually kicked out of his own cult centuries ago. You've been working to get rid of the Exmortis so that he can take over again with them out of the way. Out of the frying pan and into the furnace, in other words. [[Shoot the Shaggy Dog|Oh, and your character dies anyway.]] Damn.}} (It's a point and click game, but you know).
* The online game ''[[Exmortis]] 2'' has the main character seeking to save the final dredges of humanity in a post apocalyptic world ripped bare by monsters from hell. You solve the point and click puzzles, race the descending evil clouds of doom, follow the clues and scare the living ''hell'' out of yourself in the process, only to win and discover that {{spoiler|the bad guy you thought you were defeating was actually kicked out of his own cult centuries ago. You've been working to get rid of the Exmortis so that he can take over again with them out of the way. Out of the frying pan and into the furnace, in other words. [[Shoot the Shaggy Dog|Oh, and your character dies anyway.]] Damn.}} (It's a point and click game, but you know).
* In ''[[Deus Ex (Video Game)|Deus Ex]]'', the Majestic 12 is a Recent Conspiracy that split from its founding organization the Illuminati. There's also [[The Knights Templar]].
* In ''[[Deus Ex]]'', the Majestic 12 is a Recent Conspiracy that split from its founding organization the Illuminati. There's also [[The Knights Templar]].
** Human Revolution [[Deconstructed Trope|examines this]]: As it turns out, the reason the Illuminati survived for so long is that {{spoiler|they're only an organization in the loosest sense of the term: they're more like an old boys' network whose members barely know each other.}} One of them even claims that {{spoiler|"'Illuminati' is just a name used to get rich people to invest more money", meaning that at the end of the day, they're just an aspect of "ordinary" economic power.}} Also, ''every'' scheme they've ever done in order to control the world has {{spoiler|backfired in some way or another,}} due to unforeseen factors such as {{spoiler|[[Ridiculously Human Robot|Eliza]] developing a conscience or due to the differing goals of their members (Darrow hijacking the biochip signal). Ultimately, the real threat of Majestic 12 is that they happen to be ''competent''.}}
** Human Revolution [[Deconstructed Trope|examines this]]: As it turns out, the reason the Illuminati survived for so long is that {{spoiler|they're only an organization in the loosest sense of the term: they're more like an old boys' network whose members barely know each other.}} One of them even claims that {{spoiler|"'Illuminati' is just a name used to get rich people to invest more money", meaning that at the end of the day, they're just an aspect of "ordinary" economic power.}} Also, ''every'' scheme they've ever done in order to control the world has {{spoiler|backfired in some way or another,}} due to unforeseen factors such as {{spoiler|[[Ridiculously Human Robot|Eliza]] developing a conscience or due to the differing goals of their members (Darrow hijacking the biochip signal). Ultimately, the real threat of Majestic 12 is that they happen to be ''competent''.}}
** {{spoiler|And, ironically, this turns out to be their downfall.}} As ''Human Revolution'' reveals, {{spoiler|the Illuminati's greatest strengths have always been sticking to the shadows while letting proxies do much of the dirty work and also preselecting fall guys to cover their ass. True, they occasionally failed, but they always had a fallback.}} In the original game, {{spoiler|Bob Page ruined that by forcing the Illuminati to have to work directly with JC because he eliminated their other indirect options when he splintered off from them. And, by the same token, despite Majestic 12's competence, he also eliminated the ability to have a proxy to cover his ass if things went badly, which meant that he essentially undid his victories from ''Human Revolution'' at the same time.}}
** {{spoiler|And, ironically, this turns out to be their downfall.}} As ''Human Revolution'' reveals, {{spoiler|the Illuminati's greatest strengths have always been sticking to the shadows while letting proxies do much of the dirty work and also preselecting fall guys to cover their ass. True, they occasionally failed, but they always had a fallback.}} In the original game, {{spoiler|Bob Page ruined that by forcing the Illuminati to have to work directly with JC because he eliminated their other indirect options when he splintered off from them. And, by the same token, despite Majestic 12's competence, he also eliminated the ability to have a proxy to cover his ass if things went badly, which meant that he essentially undid his victories from ''Human Revolution'' at the same time.}}
* The Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''. However {{spoiler|it turns out the Patriots are a fairly modern conspiracy formed in the 1970s which has rather [[Genre Savvy|genre savvily]] taken on all the trappings of an ancient conspiracy as protective coloration, formed using the missing funds of another organization already on its last legs, The Philosophers, who themselves only dated back to around the beginning of the 20th century.}}<br />{{spoiler|La-li-lu-le-lo! La-li-lu-le-lo! La-li-lu-le-lo!}}
* The Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''. However {{spoiler|it turns out the Patriots are a fairly modern conspiracy formed in the 1970s which has rather [[Genre Savvy|genre savvily]] taken on all the trappings of an ancient conspiracy as protective coloration, formed using the missing funds of another organization already on its last legs, The Philosophers, who themselves only dated back to around the beginning of the 20th century.}}<br />{{spoiler|La-li-lu-le-lo! La-li-lu-le-lo! La-li-lu-le-lo!}}
* The Genoharadan in ''[[Knights of the Old Republic (Video Game)|Knights of the Old Republic]]''. Oddly enough, they did not appear in any other ''[[Star Wars]]'' works, not even in the comic series of the same name.
* The Genoharadan in ''[[Knights of the Old Republic (video game)|Knights of the Old Republic]]''. Oddly enough, they did not appear in any other ''[[Star Wars]]'' works, not even in the comic series of the same name.
** Granted, although they were meant to be ''highly secretive'' assassins...
** Granted, although they were meant to be ''highly secretive'' assassins...
*** And the option is open to have Revan kill the entire Genoharadan leadership. This was 4,000 years before the first film.
*** And the option is open to have Revan kill the entire Genoharadan leadership. This was 4,000 years before the first film.
* The Orange and Purple clans in ''[[Fahrenheit]]''.
* The Orange and Purple clans in ''[[Fahrenheit (2005 video game)]]''.
* In the ''[[Mega Man ZX (Video Game)|Mega Man ZX]]'' series: {{spoiler|The very creation of the Biometal devices, even the ones made and used by the games' protagonists, turns out to be part of a vast plot put into motion over 200 years before the series takes place, courtesy of the second game's main villain, Master Albert--who is a key member of the city-state Innerpeace's governing body.}} Additionally, it's revealed during the course of the second game that {{spoiler|by design, all of the Biometals require a host with Master Albert's DNA to function. Indeed, Master Albert had been randomly seeding the general population with his DNA throughout the entirety of that 200 years.}} Alternately, this one could be viewed as something of an extended [[Gambit Roulette]].
* In the ''[[Mega Man ZX]]'' series: {{spoiler|The very creation of the Biometal devices, even the ones made and used by the games' protagonists, turns out to be part of a vast plot put into motion over 200 years before the series takes place, courtesy of the second game's main villain, Master Albert--who is a key member of the city-state Innerpeace's governing body.}} Additionally, it's revealed during the course of the second game that {{spoiler|by design, all of the Biometals require a host with Master Albert's DNA to function. Indeed, Master Albert had been randomly seeding the general population with his DNA throughout the entirety of that 200 years.}} Alternately, this one could be viewed as something of an extended [[Gambit Roulette]].
** It goes ''waaaay'' back further than that: {{spoiler|the [[Complete Monster]] of the ''[[Mega Man Zero (Video Game)|Mega Man Zero]]'' series, who is still in a [[And I Must Scream|state that can never grant him death]] as the ''original'' Biometal, is widely believed to be the one who's really pulling all the strings, including Master Albert himself.}}
** It goes ''waaaay'' back further than that: {{spoiler|the [[Complete Monster]] of the ''[[Mega Man Zero]]'' series, who is still in a [[And I Must Scream|state that can never grant him death]] as the ''original'' Biometal, is widely believed to be the one who's really pulling all the strings, including Master Albert himself.}}
* The Templars in ''[[Assassin's Creed (Video Game)|Assassin's Creed]]'', though it's questionable when one considers that everything you learn about the [[The Knights Templar|Templars]] being in control of the world is coming from their own deceitful mouths, and e-mails you can secretly read imply that they're not quite as powerful as they make themselves out to be.
* The Templars in ''[[Assassin's Creed]]'', though it's questionable when one considers that everything you learn about the [[The Knights Templar|Templars]] being in control of the world is coming from their own deceitful mouths, and e-mails you can secretly read imply that they're not quite as powerful as they make themselves out to be.
** Pretty much every famous figure in history is a Templar/Assassin/Ally of either side. For the third variety, see [[Leonardo Da Vinci]]. Yes, ''that'' da Vinci.
** Pretty much every famous figure in history is a Templar/Assassin/Ally of either side. For the third variety, see [[Leonardo da Vinci]]. Yes, ''that'' da Vinci.
*** Of course a few of the involved were just some poor schmucks or descendants of "[[Precursors|Those Who Came Before]]", who, more or less unwittingly, got themselves rolled into the conspiracy. This group of people often caused some disruption to the balance of the power struggle, and would soon there after face a very untimely demise. People in this category includes [[Jesus]] and [[John F Kennedy]].
*** Of course a few of the involved were just some poor schmucks or descendants of "[[Precursors|Those Who Came Before]]", who, more or less unwittingly, got themselves rolled into the conspiracy. This group of people often caused some disruption to the balance of the power struggle, and would soon there after face a very untimely demise. People in this category includes [[Jesus]] and [[John F Kennedy]].
** While their impact in the first seems minor, if Subject 16 can be trusted then the involvement of Templars and opposition by Assassins is even wider-reaching than originally believed.
** While their impact in the first seems minor, if Subject 16 can be trusted then the involvement of Templars and opposition by Assassins is even wider-reaching than originally believed.
* The upcoming [[MMORPG]] from Funcom, ''[[The Secret World (Video Game)|The Secret World]]'', will see the players all over the world trying to unveil an [[Ancient Conspiracy]] or two as their primary reason to play the game.
* The upcoming [[MMORPG]] from Funcom, ''[[The Secret World]]'', will see the players all over the world trying to unveil an [[Ancient Conspiracy]] or two as their primary reason to play the game.
** Which is a bit hypocritical, since all three playable factions are in fact, Ancient Conspiracies -- The Templars are [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|Well Intentioned Extremists]] ([[Knight Templar|go figure]]), the Dragon are an aggressive form of [[Ancient Tradition]], and the Illuminati are, as the site puts it, [[Rich Idiot With No Day Job|"Sex, Drugs, and Rockefeller"]].
** Which is a bit hypocritical, since all three playable factions are in fact, Ancient Conspiracies -- The Templars are [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|Well Intentioned Extremists]] ([[Knight Templar|go figure]]), the Dragon are an aggressive form of [[Ancient Tradition]], and the Illuminati are, as the site puts it, [[Rich Idiot With No Day Job|"Sex, Drugs, and Rockefeller"]].
* The Inner Circle from ''[[Max Payne (Video Game)|Max Payne]]''. Lampshaded by Max himself; a member of the circle, Alfred Woden, provides an in-depth description of the organization and its activities, following which Max [[Deadpan Snarker|snarks]]: "You've been watching too much X-Files."
* The Inner Circle from ''[[Max Payne (series)|Max Payne]]''. Lampshaded by Max himself; a member of the circle, Alfred Woden, provides an in-depth description of the organization and its activities, following which Max [[Deadpan Snarker|snarks]]: "You've been watching too much X-Files."
** Come the second game, however, the Inner Circle turns out to be a [[Nebulous Criminal Conspiracy]] rather than an [[Ancient Conspiracy]].
** Come the second game, however, the Inner Circle turns out to be a [[Nebulous Criminal Conspiracy]] rather than an [[Ancient Conspiracy]].
** It's also a [[Government Conspiracy]], having senators among their ranks and being connected with top secret [[Super Soldier]] projects like Valhalla.
** It's also a [[Government Conspiracy]], having senators among their ranks and being connected with top secret [[Super Soldier]] projects like Valhalla.
* The Cabal from ''[[Blood]]''. They become more publicly known in the sequel, reforming after their god's death as CabalCo.
* The Cabal from ''[[Blood]]''. They become more publicly known in the sequel, reforming after their god's death as CabalCo.
* {{spoiler|Puritas Cordis}} from ''Secret Files 2: Puritas Cordis''. It's unclear whether it was continued from the original, or collapsed and restructured, though.
* {{spoiler|Puritas Cordis}} from ''Secret Files 2: Puritas Cordis''. It's unclear whether it was continued from the original, or collapsed and restructured, though.
* ''[[Final Fantasy XII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XII]]'' has a conspiracy of the gods to "straighten history's weave".
* ''[[Final Fantasy XII]]'' has a conspiracy of the gods to "straighten history's weave".
* ''[[The Conduit]]'' has a government organization that's been kept under wraps for centuries. Turns out that the current-day leader, John Adams, {{spoiler|is under alien authority (you hear him speaking with his superiors in the credits) and part of a centuries old plot to take over the world. On top of that, the ending credits reveal that Adams is a couple of centuries old himself, hinting that he may actually be ''the'' Founding Father John Adams, as well as an alien.}}
* ''[[The Conduit]]'' has a government organization that's been kept under wraps for centuries. Turns out that the current-day leader, John Adams, {{spoiler|is under alien authority (you hear him speaking with his superiors in the credits) and part of a centuries old plot to take over the world. On top of that, the ending credits reveal that Adams is a couple of centuries old himself, hinting that he may actually be ''the'' Founding Father John Adams, as well as an alien.}}
* The Disciples of Andraste from [[Dragon Age]]: Origins. Originally the followers of the setting's most important religious figure, [[The Messiah|Andraste]], they secreted away her ashes to Ferelden after her death at the hands of [[The Empire|the Tevinter Imperium]]. For centuries they guarded the mountain temple where her ashes were kept. Interestingly, this [[Ancient Conspiracy]] lost its original purpose a long time ago and no longer care about guarding the Urn of Sacred Ashes. They have become an [[Ax Crazy]] dragon cult who believe that their prophet has been reborn in the form of a [[Our Dragons Are Different|high dragon]], who also makes its lair in the mountain temple. The [[Player Character]] has the option of assisting the cultists by defiling the Ashes, which they believe are somehow holding back the reborn "Andraste" from reaching her full power.
* The Disciples of Andraste from [[Dragon Age]]: Origins. Originally the followers of the setting's most important religious figure, [[The Messiah|Andraste]], they secreted away her ashes to Ferelden after her death at the hands of [[The Empire|the Tevinter Imperium]]. For centuries they guarded the mountain temple where her ashes were kept. Interestingly, this [[Ancient Conspiracy]] lost its original purpose a long time ago and no longer care about guarding the Urn of Sacred Ashes. They have become an [[Ax Crazy]] dragon cult who believe that their prophet has been reborn in the form of a [[Our Dragons Are Different|high dragon]], who also makes its lair in the mountain temple. The [[Player Character]] has the option of assisting the cultists by defiling the Ashes, which they believe are somehow holding back the reborn "Andraste" from reaching her full power.
* ''[[Eternal Darkness]]'' depicts a power struggle between a trio of [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]] known as the Ancients, and an in-story choice made by the player at the beginning of the game determines which of the three becomes the [[Big Bad]] for the rest of the game. The rest of the story depicts the Ancient's [[The Dragon|Dragon]] and his secret cult working behind the scenes over thousands of years, and at one point, they're depicted as being the ''real'' reason why a certain historical figure died.
* ''[[Eternal Darkness]]'' depicts a power struggle between a trio of [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]] known as the Ancients, and an in-story choice made by the player at the beginning of the game determines which of the three becomes the [[Big Bad]] for the rest of the game. The rest of the story depicts the Ancient's [[The Dragon|Dragon]] and his secret cult working behind the scenes over thousands of years, and at one point, they're depicted as being the ''real'' reason why a certain historical figure died.
* Midway through the first ''[[Drakensang]]'' game you find out that the [[Big Bad]] {{spoiler|is working with the ancient Dragon Men serving the evil wyrm Andracor, and they plan to use the Adamantine Heart belonged to Andracor's father Umbracor to take over Aventuria and restore Andracor's powers.}}
* Midway through the first ''[[Drakensang]]'' game you find out that the [[Big Bad]] {{spoiler|is working with the ancient Dragon Men serving the evil wyrm Andracor, and they plan to use the Adamantine Heart belonged to Andracor's father Umbracor to take over Aventuria and restore Andracor's powers.}}
* The [[Lovecraft Country|rural New England]] [[Town With a Dark Secret|town of]] ''[[Anchorhead]]'' is home to a {{spoiler|town-wide, nearly four-century-old}} [[Cult]] of [[Corrupt Hick|Corrupt Hicks]] that worships and aims to summon an [[Eldritch Abomination]].
* The [[Lovecraft Country|rural New England]] [[Town with a Dark Secret|town of]] ''[[Anchorhead]]'' is home to a {{spoiler|town-wide, nearly four-century-old}} [[Cult]] of [[Corrupt Hick|Corrupt Hicks]] that worships and aims to summon an [[Eldritch Abomination]].




== Webcomics ==
== Webcomics ==
* [[MAGISA]] -- [http://mag-isa.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/119594 We have a group of baddies] whose faces aren't even known... plotting with demons and /or extra terrestrials.
* [[MAG ISA]] -- [http://mag-isa.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/119594 We have a group of baddies] whose faces aren't even known... plotting with demons and /or extra terrestrials.
* ''[[Kevin and Kell]]'' has the Great Bird Conspiracy, which featured the birds of the K&Kverse doing its best to civilize the various animal people of Domain and ran things in the background via seemingly subservient jobs as teacher or secretary. Once it was made Y2K compatible, the GBC left the machinations to a computer program designed to do that job for them, allowing them to retire.
* ''[[Kevin and Kell]]'' has the Great Bird Conspiracy, which featured the birds of the K&Kverse doing its best to civilize the various animal people of Domain and ran things in the background via seemingly subservient jobs as teacher or secretary. Once it was made Y2K compatible, the GBC left the machinations to a computer program designed to do that job for them, allowing them to retire.
* ''[[Narbonic]]'' has "the Dave Conspiracy."
* ''[[Narbonic]]'' has "the Dave Conspiracy."
* The Gatekeepers of ''[[Schlock Mercenary (Webcomic)|Schlock Mercenary]]'' have been using their monopoly over the Wormgates to manipulate galactic civilisations for millennia and the Pan'uri have been manipulating them for even longer. Given Petey's new hobby of engaging in social engineering experiments where he can't intervene directly the only thing stopping him from fitting this is that he hasn't been at it all that long.
* The Gatekeepers of ''[[Schlock Mercenary]]'' have been using their monopoly over the Wormgates to manipulate galactic civilisations for millennia and the Pan'uri have been manipulating them for even longer. Given Petey's new hobby of engaging in social engineering experiments where he can't intervene directly the only thing stopping him from fitting this is that he hasn't been at it all that long.
* In ''[[The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob]],'' Earth has been legally owned by the Nemesite Empire since the extinction of the dinosaurs. They're aware of the rise of humankind, but they still consider us wildlife largely beneath their notice. That is a ''good'' thing, because the day that they ''do'' decide to declare us full citizens of the Empire, the sovereignty of every nation on Earth will become meaningless, and we'll have to pay Nemesite taxes, be up for the draft in their military, etc.
* In ''[[The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob]],'' Earth has been legally owned by the Nemesite Empire since the extinction of the dinosaurs. They're aware of the rise of humankind, but they still consider us wildlife largely beneath their notice. That is a ''good'' thing, because the day that they ''do'' decide to declare us full citizens of the Empire, the sovereignty of every nation on Earth will become meaningless, and we'll have to pay Nemesite taxes, be up for the draft in their military, etc.
* Subverted in ''[[Wapsi Square]]''. There is a group of immortal politicians from an ancient civilization who have been subtly manipulating everything for ages. However, they aren't particularly competent, and have been controlled themselves by Jin, one of the main characters, the entire time. On top of that, all of their manipulations have been for the purpose of fixing the calender machine and saving the world, though they don't know this.
* Subverted in ''[[Wapsi Square]]''. There is a group of immortal politicians from an ancient civilization who have been subtly manipulating everything for ages. However, they aren't particularly competent, and have been controlled themselves by Jin, one of the main characters, the entire time. On top of that, all of their manipulations have been for the purpose of fixing the calender machine and saving the world, though they don't know this.
* The plot of ''[[Dark Souls (Video Game)|Dark Souls]]'' has the player falling into one for the fate of the world and the First Fire.
* The plot of ''[[Dark Souls]]'' has the player falling into one for the fate of the world and the First Fire.




== Web Originals ==
== Web Originals ==
* Various [[YouTube]] conspiracy videos are full of information about various ancient conspiracies, from the Illuminati to the Freemasons to the Bilderberg Group and the New World Order, for anyone who is interested in listening to that sort of thing, and all of various [[Unreliable Narrator|questionable degrees of believability]], and usually overlapping with [[Conspiracy Kitchen Sink|subjects like chemtrails, 2012, and shapeshifting aliens for bonus fun]]. And if you believe these things (some of the evidence isn't... toootally unconvincing) you can file them under [[Real Life]] too.
* Various [[YouTube]] conspiracy videos are full of information about various ancient conspiracies, from the Illuminati to the Freemasons to the Bilderberg Group and the New World Order, for anyone who is interested in listening to that sort of thing, and all of various [[Unreliable Narrator|questionable degrees of believability]], and usually overlapping with [[Conspiracy Kitchen Sink|subjects like chemtrails, 2012, and shapeshifting aliens for bonus fun]]. And if you believe these things (some of the evidence isn't... toootally unconvincing) you can file them under [[Real Life]] too.
* The Order of Denderah from ''[[Lonely Girl 15]]'' and other Breeniverse series.
* The Order of Denderah from ''[[Lonelygirl15]]'' and other Breeniverse series.
* [[Doctor Steel]] believes (whether in actuality or whether it's part of the crazy act is anyone's guess) that the world is controlled by a cabal of alien "Illuminati".
* [[Doctor Steel]] believes (whether in actuality or whether it's part of the crazy act is anyone's guess) that the world is controlled by a cabal of alien "Illuminati".
* The criminal organization known as Tarot, in the ''[[Global Guardians PBEM Universe]]'', is a secret society founded in the late 1500s by Niccolo Machiavelli, with the express purpose of taking over the world through the power of economics. While they haven't quite achieved that goal by the modern day, they are so large and so powerful that they were beyond the power of any single superhero (or group of superheroes) to destroy.
* The criminal organization known as Tarot, in the ''[[Global Guardians PBEM Universe]]'', is a secret society founded in the late 1500s by Niccolo Machiavelli, with the express purpose of taking over the world through the power of economics. While they haven't quite achieved that goal by the modern day, they are so large and so powerful that they were beyond the power of any single superhero (or group of superheroes) to destroy.
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== Western Animation ==
== Western Animation ==
* The Illuminati, in ''[[Gargoyles (Animation)|Gargoyles]]''.
* The Illuminati, in ''[[Gargoyles]]''.
* Cobra-La, the secret ancient civilization of snake people in the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' [[The Movie|movie]].
* Cobra-La, the secret ancient civilization of snake people in the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' [[The Movie|movie]].
* Parodied with the Stonecutters in ''[[The Simpsons]]''.
* Parodied with the Stonecutters in ''[[The Simpsons]]''.
* Also parodied by American Dad with the Illuminutty, a group attempting to keep the secret that {{spoiler|George Washington Carver wasn't the one who really invented Peanut Butter.}}
* Also parodied by American Dad with the Illuminutty, a group attempting to keep the secret that {{spoiler|George Washington Carver wasn't the one who really invented Peanut Butter.}}
* Subverted in ''[[Huntik|Huntik: Secrets & Seekers]]''. While the main villainous organization--unoriginally called "The Organization"--would have everyone believe that they are a centuries-old group with tendrils everywhere, they are in reality less than sixty years old.
* Subverted in ''[[Huntik|Huntik: Secrets & Seekers]]''. While the main villainous organization--unoriginally called "The Organization"--would have everyone believe that they are a centuries-old group with tendrils everywhere, they are in reality less than sixty years old.
* As the page quote shows, [[The Question]] in ''[[Justice League Unlimited]]'' believes that a vast conspiracy has ruled the world for thousands of years, and are secretly responsible for virtually everything in human history. Given that many of the Question's wild theories [[Properly Paranoid|are proved correct]] and that there are [[Vandal Savage|several]] [[Batman (Franchise)/Rogues Gallery/Characters|characters]] in the DCAU that have ''lived'' for thousands of years, [[Paranoia Fuel|he might well be right]].
* As the page quote shows, [[The Question]] in ''[[Justice League Unlimited]]'' believes that a vast conspiracy has ruled the world for thousands of years, and are secretly responsible for virtually everything in human history. Given that many of the Question's wild theories [[Properly Paranoid|are proved correct]] and that there are [[Vandal Savage|several]] [[Batman/Rogues Gallery/Characters|characters]] in the DCAU that have ''lived'' for thousands of years, [[Paranoia Fuel|he might well be right]].