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* In a review in ''Metro'' (free newspaper on public transport) of Goro Miyazaki's ''[[Tales From Earthsea]]'', the reviewer made a remark along the lines of, "but its main problem is that it's not very ''funny''; it's a cartoon, so what's the point if it's not funny?"
* In a review in ''Metro'' (free newspaper on public transport) of Goro Miyazaki's ''[[Tales From Earthsea]]'', the reviewer made a remark along the lines of, "but its main problem is that it's not very ''funny''; it's a cartoon, so what's the point if it's not funny?"
* Those who remember Canadian 9/11 conspiracy theorist Toobis may remember his [http://themstsoftoobis.blogspot.com/2012/02/alright-so-heres-first-mst-on-rant-he.html rant on anime] and [http://themstsoftoobis.blogspot.com/2012/02/msts-of-toobis-part-first-and-half.html its follow-up]:
* Those who remember Canadian 9/11 conspiracy theorist Toobis may remember his [http://themstsoftoobis.blogspot.com/2012/02/alright-so-heres-first-mst-on-rant-he.html rant on anime] and [http://themstsoftoobis.blogspot.com/2012/02/msts-of-toobis-part-first-and-half.html its follow-up]:
{{quote| ''Teenagers are watching cartoons instead of reading or going to the theatre. There is nothing intellectual about anime, and there's a reason universities have classes on Shakespeare and not on [[All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles|Japanese Por- err Anime]].<br />
{{quote|''Teenagers are watching cartoons instead of reading or going to the theatre. There is nothing intellectual about anime, and there's a reason universities have classes on Shakespeare and not on [[All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles|Japanese Por- err Anime]].<br />
I'm not saying that people can't enjoy different forms of art.'' (Yet the rest of the article [[Fan Hater|says otherwise]].) }}
I'm not saying that people can't enjoy different forms of art.'' (Yet the rest of the article [[Fan Hater|says otherwise]].) }}
** This becomes [[Hilarious in Hindsight|even funnier]] when you realize that half of [[Shakespeare]] [[Get Thee to a Nunnery|is sex jokes]]. Adding to the hilarity is that several colleges and universities ''do'' have literature classes on the topic of anime and manga, and others introduce it as a part of a comics-focused literature class. Of course, it's rather hard to take seriously a guy who often rants stuff like [[Moral Event Horizon|"So you were raped, get over it!", "Hitler: Was he really so bad?", and "What idiot gave women the right to vote anyway?"]], anyway.
** This becomes [[Hilarious in Hindsight|even funnier]] when you realize that half of [[Shakespeare]] [[Get Thee to a Nunnery|is sex jokes]]. Adding to the hilarity is that several colleges and universities ''do'' have literature classes on the topic of anime and manga, and others introduce it as a part of a comics-focused literature class. Of course, it's rather hard to take seriously a guy who often rants stuff like [[Moral Event Horizon|"So you were raped, get over it!", "Hitler: Was he really so bad?", and "What idiot gave women the right to vote anyway?"]], anyway.
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* [[Don Bluth]] holds the philosophy that animation can be both dark '''and''' lighthearted at the same time, and that children can handle more than most adults believe, just as long as you gave them a (relatively) happy ending; ''[[The Secret of NIMH]]'' is probably the shining example of that philosophy. Needless to say, studio executives don't feel the same way, which is why [[Executive Meddling]] forced him to essentially abandon this philosophy not long after ''[[All Dogs Go to Heaven]]''; in fact, Bluth wanted to add darker elements to ''[[Rock-a-Doodle]]'' and ''[[The Pebble and the Penguin]]'', but the studios wouldn't let him because they wanted the films to appeal more to kids.
* [[Don Bluth]] holds the philosophy that animation can be both dark '''and''' lighthearted at the same time, and that children can handle more than most adults believe, just as long as you gave them a (relatively) happy ending; ''[[The Secret of NIMH]]'' is probably the shining example of that philosophy. Needless to say, studio executives don't feel the same way, which is why [[Executive Meddling]] forced him to essentially abandon this philosophy not long after ''[[All Dogs Go to Heaven]]''; in fact, Bluth wanted to add darker elements to ''[[Rock-a-Doodle]]'' and ''[[The Pebble and the Penguin]]'', but the studios wouldn't let him because they wanted the films to appeal more to kids.
* As said by a talking cotton ball in a [[Don Hertzfeldt]] short, the intro for the theatrical touring festival ''The Animation Show'':
* As said by a talking cotton ball in a [[Don Hertzfeldt]] short, the intro for the theatrical touring festival ''The Animation Show'':
{{quote| '''Talking Cotton Ball 1:''' An animated film is not just a random series of mindless, self-indulging, violent cartoon images meant only to be enjoyed by young children or people with mental handicaps, but is a serious, valid art medium all unto itself which the artist is free to explore the purity of the film medium, down to each and every single frame. The animated arts are--<br />
{{quote|'''Talking Cotton Ball 1:''' An animated film is not just a random series of mindless, self-indulging, violent cartoon images meant only to be enjoyed by young children or people with mental handicaps, but is a serious, valid art medium all unto itself which the artist is free to explore the purity of the film medium, down to each and every single frame. The animated arts are--
'''Talking Cotton Ball 2''': ''(pointing)'' '''Roboooooooots!''' }}
'''Talking Cotton Ball 2''': ''(pointing)'' '''Roboooooooots!''' }}
* The animated movie ''[[Heavy Metal (animation)|Heavy Metal]]'' was ridiculously, obviously not for kids. Extremes of violence and sex were fairly common in the short, rock cc-based vignettes that made up the original. In the flop sequel years later, the vignettes and much of the music were done away with, and most of the violence and sex were removed, toned down to something in the general vicinity of a PG-13 movie, maybe pushing R at best. It seems that even when making a sequel to a ''blatantly'' adult animated movie, you still need to make it not too adult.
* The animated movie ''[[Heavy Metal (animation)|Heavy Metal]]'' was ridiculously, obviously not for kids. Extremes of violence and sex were fairly common in the short, rock cc-based vignettes that made up the original. In the flop sequel years later, the vignettes and much of the music were done away with, and most of the violence and sex were removed, toned down to something in the general vicinity of a PG-13 movie, maybe pushing R at best. It seems that even when making a sequel to a ''blatantly'' adult animated movie, you still need to make it not too adult.
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* ''[[The Triplets of Belleville]]'' got a PG-13 rating, {{spoiler|even with full-frontal female nudity from a character based on Josephine Baker, banana skirt and breasts exposed}}. However, considering that it was given an all-ages rating in France, this is more a case of [[Values Dissonance]] than anything else.
* ''[[The Triplets of Belleville]]'' got a PG-13 rating, {{spoiler|even with full-frontal female nudity from a character based on Josephine Baker, banana skirt and breasts exposed}}. However, considering that it was given an all-ages rating in France, this is more a case of [[Values Dissonance]] than anything else.
* Partly responsible for the pre-production demise in 1998 of a CGI-animated film by Rainbow Studios (which now does strictly video games and was acquired by [[THQ]] in 2001), variously titled as, "Deadly Tide" and "Blue Planet". Since this was a violent action movie squarely for adults and older teens, it failed to garner enough funding, and only a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlwzVqFNCA promo trailer using the "Blue Planet" title] was ever produced. The trailer both [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshades]] and [[Take That|thoroughly demolishes]] the [[Animation Age Ghetto]], by having [[Lawyer-Friendly Cameo|Lawyer Friendly Cameos]] of [[Toy Story|Buzz Lightyear]] and [[A Bug's Life|Flik]] engage silly antics, before being stomped on by a power-armoured soldier, and segueing into a rapid-cut action scene scored with [[Industrial Metal|Rob Zombie's "More Human Than Human"]].
* Partly responsible for the pre-production demise in 1998 of a CGI-animated film by Rainbow Studios (which now does strictly video games and was acquired by [[THQ]] in 2001), variously titled as, "Deadly Tide" and "Blue Planet". Since this was a violent action movie squarely for adults and older teens, it failed to garner enough funding, and only a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHlwzVqFNCA promo trailer using the "Blue Planet" title] was ever produced. The trailer both [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshades]] and [[Take That|thoroughly demolishes]] the [[Animation Age Ghetto]], by having [[Lawyer-Friendly Cameo|Lawyer Friendly Cameos]] of [[Toy Story|Buzz Lightyear]] and [[A Bug's Life|Flik]] engage silly antics, before being stomped on by a power-armoured soldier, and segueing into a rapid-cut action scene scored with [[Industrial Metal|Rob Zombie's "More Human Than Human"]].
{{quote| "Playtime's over. Let's kick some ass!"<br />
{{quote|"Playtime's over. Let's kick some ass!"
"No Cute Animals. No Friendly Toys." }}
"No Cute Animals. No Friendly Toys." }}
* So far, only two critics made negative reviews of ''[[Toy Story]] 3''. [http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2010/06/toy-story-3.html One of those] had only two complaints: he didn't find the 3D good enough, and considered it was too dark and overtly mature for young viewers. Needless to say, [[Internet Backdraft]] ensued. (he even tried to [http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2010/06/cole-smithey-responds-to-toy-story-3-defenders.html defend himself])
* So far, only two critics made negative reviews of ''[[Toy Story]] 3''. [http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2010/06/toy-story-3.html One of those] had only two complaints: he didn't find the 3D good enough, and considered it was too dark and overtly mature for young viewers. Needless to say, [[Internet Backdraft]] ensued. (he even tried to [http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2010/06/cole-smithey-responds-to-toy-story-3-defenders.html defend himself])
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* ''[[Bottom|Bottom's Up]]'' features an inversion of this trope. Richie joins Eddie, who is watching a film. Richie comments about the cute furry anthropomorphic animated critters on-screen all with [[Species Surname]]: "It isn't very sexy, is it." This is proof that Eddie accepts that cartoons aren't just for kids as he was expecting something closer to X-Rated from the title [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fff_Xo1PnM8 ''The Furry Honey-Pot Adventure'']. The only clue Eddie gets that no sex scenes will begin is because the caption "The End" appears on-screen.
* ''[[Bottom|Bottom's Up]]'' features an inversion of this trope. Richie joins Eddie, who is watching a film. Richie comments about the cute furry anthropomorphic animated critters on-screen all with [[Species Surname]]: "It isn't very sexy, is it." This is proof that Eddie accepts that cartoons aren't just for kids as he was expecting something closer to X-Rated from the title [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fff_Xo1PnM8 ''The Furry Honey-Pot Adventure'']. The only clue Eddie gets that no sex scenes will begin is because the caption "The End" appears on-screen.
** He was equally disappointed with his purchase of ''Big Jugs'', which turns out just to be a history of pottery.
** He was equally disappointed with his purchase of ''Big Jugs'', which turns out just to be a history of pottery.
{{quote| '''Eddie:''' Well, this ones got to be a sure-fire hit: ''Swedish Lesbians in Blackcurrant Jam''!<br />
{{quote|'''Eddie:''' Well, this ones got to be a sure-fire hit: ''Swedish Lesbians in Blackcurrant Jam''!
'''Richie:''' Yabba-dabba-doo! {{spoiler|No, Eddie it's ''Swedish LEGENDS in Blackcurrant Jam MAKING''!}}<br />
'''Richie:''' Yabba-dabba-doo! {{spoiler|No, Eddie it's ''Swedish LEGENDS in Blackcurrant Jam MAKING''!}}
'''Eddie:''' Aww, come on, it's got to be dirty, [[Europeans Are Kinky|it says "Swedish" on it!]] }}
'''Eddie:''' Aww, come on, it's got to be dirty, [[Europeans Are Kinky|it says "Swedish" on it!]] }}
* An episode of ''[[My Family]]'' episode dealt with this when Ben was babysitting Kenzo when Janey went for a night out and she rented a cartoon for Kenzo to watch with Ben, however, when they are watching TV together, Ben plays the trope straight as demonstrated:
* An episode of ''[[My Family]]'' episode dealt with this when Ben was babysitting Kenzo when Janey went for a night out and she rented a cartoon for Kenzo to watch with Ben, however, when they are watching TV together, Ben plays the trope straight as demonstrated:
{{quote| '''Ben:''' ''It's about time that you developed a more mature taste in cinema. Tonight, we are going to watch serious hard-earned cinema, not a silly cartoon about a stupid talking rat!''<br />
{{quote|'''Ben:''' ''It's about time that you developed a more mature taste in cinema. Tonight, we are going to watch serious hard-earned cinema, not a silly cartoon about a stupid talking rat!''
'''Kenzo:''' ''My cartoon won an Oscar, your films are overproduced re-makes and made by twelve-year-olds with short attention spans!'' }}
'''Kenzo:''' ''My cartoon won an Oscar, your films are overproduced re-makes and made by twelve-year-olds with short attention spans!'' }}
* On one episode of [http://excusedtv.com/ Excused] which aired on February 13th, 2012, two girls excused a 22-year-old guy, Sean because they doesn't want to sit in the couch and watch cartoons.
* On one episode of [http://excusedtv.com/ Excused] which aired on February 13th, 2012, two girls excused a 22-year-old guy, Sean because they doesn't want to sit in the couch and watch cartoons.
{{quote| '''Dianna''': Hanging on the couch all day, I can't do that.<br />
{{quote|'''Dianna''': Hanging on the couch all day, I can't do that.
'''Iliza''': No.<br />
'''Iliza''': No.
'''Lauren''': I don't do cartoons. }}
'''Lauren''': I don't do cartoons. }}
** After they picked him.
** After they picked him.
{{quote| '''Lauren''': Watching cartoons is not a date, is a nightmare.<br />
{{quote|'''Lauren''': Watching cartoons is not a date, is a nightmare.
'''Iliza''': It's a nightmare, Sean's excused. }}
'''Iliza''': It's a nightmare, Sean's excused. }}