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* In ''Joker: The Vile and the Villainous'' did [[The Joker]] seriously {{spoiler|destroy future Earth}}?

** That sounds more like taunting the audience to me. Also, see below.

* Just what era is Kamandi from? How does his ravaged world fit with the rest of the DC timeline? (i.e. the [[Legion of Super-Heroes]] and [[Booster Gold]])

** [[Pre Crisis]], Earth had *many* possible futures; Kamandi's was just one of them. Which was the 'real' one was never decided. Presumably that also applies here, or Batman would be more concerned about humanity's fate in the future.

*** I thought it was a [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]] myself. Batman let the guy know that he's going to endure forever as a memory, and even conceded the title of "world's greatest detective" to him. Anyway, there's no way Holmes could have known that "granite" was an anagram of Etrigan, since he didn't know about the demon, or etc.

** ...maybe because if Sherlock had been familiar with the time and place Batman came from he would have pinpointed Bats' secret identity in the time it took him to do his [[Sherlock Scan]]?

** Well, let's list the things Holmes did in the episode alone: A) Deduced that Jason Blood was not the killer (because he was left handed) and that he must be trying to solve the case, B) Deduced pretty much everything there is to know about Batman using a [[Sherlock Scan]] and, C) Discovered the secret hideout of the villain because of the composition of the dirt left by the carriage the villain was riding in. He may not be great at fighting demons, but that's a good amount of detective work for one episode.

** Also, the Holmes and Watson that appear in this episode differ for the original versions through the same [[Adaptation Decay]] Flanderization they have showed in countless adaptations: In the original stories Holmes was more than willing to work with someone smart (given his usual situation was [[Police Are Useless]]) and Watson was not an useless pushover. Maybe they are based in their comics adaptation: [http://crossover.bureau42.com/zbatmanholmes.html Sherlock Holmes did appear in the Batman Comics].

* Also from "Night of the Huntress!" it turns out that the Batmobile can turn into a giant robot. Wouldn't that have been useful several times before (especially when fighting Black Manta's mecha?)

** Batman thinks a {{spoiler|bike/gyrocopter}} is of better use against Tripods than his Bat-Mecha. Frankly, he has years of experience fighting evil, and knows his stuff better than you do. That, or [[Rule of Cool]].

**** Maybe he hadn't invented it yet? Batman has a long history of trying out, discarding, or perfecting new gadgets and vehicles. For almost the entire 7 decades the character has existed.

**** It wasn't forgotten. It's been used again at least for the death race episode.

** He has several different Batmobiles which all do different stuff?

* Why is it called Night of the Huntress when it takes place in the daytime?

** It's probably just a play on the title of the movie "Night of the Hunter." And Batman's roles as "[[Heroic Epithet|The Dark Knight.]]" Several other episode titles are also [[Shout-Out|shoutouts]].

** In the comics, Katana only joined The Outsiders as a debt of honor to Batman (he saved her life.) Maybe something similar happened with to her and her buddies in the show.

** It's almost certainly the thing where she doesn't talk and carries around a big sword. It's the sort of thing that causes people to shun you.

* Why didn't the villainous versions of the heroes just kill the heroic versions of the villains rather than locking them up?

** For torture later? To keep them alive, horrified at their failure to stop the Crime Syndicate? Maybe they were going to set up death-traps later on, as everyone knows a silver age villain loves a good death-trap.

*** If it were telepathic mind control, yes, but it wasn't.

**** There was ''some'' other way he was giving them commands, because his songs almost never included an explicit order to do ''anything'' specific but his victims always acted in perfect concert. It was either telepathic or something inaudible embedded in the music.

**** I think that sort of thing is allowed a certain amount of subtlety; going into the mechanics of how exactly the Music Meister's powers work would kind of take away from the flow of the musical.

**** No one is asking for a physics lesson; a simple "his singing includes ultrasonic instructions" would've sufficed. They've done similar things in the past.

** Not to mention that your teeth can easily revert if you don't wear the retainer for a long time after the braces are off. With the fact that retainers tend to mess up speech, let alone music, it's not to hard to assume he got the braces, they fixed it, then he just ignored the retainer and his teeth settled back into their old pattern with a gap.

* Were those kids that recoiled in horror at Tornado Champion the same kids from the Christmas episode?

* In "Dawn of the Deadman", there's a moment that left my jaw dropped even with the [[Lighter and Softer]] tone. Green Arrow and Speedy are digging up Batman's inert body. Then he seems to regain consciousness, only for him to reveal he's actually someone else (Deadman) possessing Batman. He then asks for weapons, and Green Arrow smirks in agreement as the scene cuts away. Whoa, whoa, whoa! From GA's point of view, did the mysterious entity possessing Batman even ''identify himself''? Would he know who or what "Deadman" is, even if he had? And how did he instantly know that the bodiless mind speaking through Batman is a fellow good guy, rather than, say, Gentleman Ghost? I know they had a story to get through and didn't want to bog it down with "who are you, are you a good guy, prove it" questions, but if Green Arrow's giving explosives to every random body-possessing entity who comes along, I'm scared for Gotham...

** Deadman had possessed GA earlier in the episode so he'd probably be able to recognize his speech patterns and general attitude.

* Why did the Gas Gang kidnap the doc in the first place? They could have easily guilted him into building the bodies openly, and Batman would have had no reason to look into their files to find out they were evil.

* In the intro sequence, what is up with Batman's way of running?

** Also, Booster got that last riddle right! Is the Riddler just that eager to kill Batman?

*** Ummmm...yes?

*** The Riddler has a compulsion that forces him to tell riddles. He has no such compulsion for keeping promises.

* How did Huntress survive falling off the cliff, let alone get into the Batmobile in "Death Race"?

** She's in the Batman Family, what did you expect?

* "The Mask of Matches Malone" was a fun episode with a great premise and a lot of fanservice. However, it also has some HUGE plotholes:

** Why did Batman bring the girls along? The only one he needed was Catwoman (since she knew where Two-Face was) and even that he could have gained out of her in exchange for letting her go. There isn't a thing any of them could do that he can't (except Canary's sonic attack, and he may have a device for that too!)

** Batman gets a VERY selective amnesia just from being hit over the head?

** Let's see, one of the most competent heroes in the world turns bad. Do the heroines a) try to get help from other heroes to catch or cure him, or b) try to rescue him by themselves, without even any idea of how to snap him out of it?

*** Heroes are really bold. If they can do something themselves, they do it. I'm sure Batman would do the same thing.

** Two-Face didn't make a single coin-based choice, or even switch to his good side once. Really, he could have been any other thug character.

**** No, but it's what makes him UNIQUE. It's like having The Riddler as the villain and not have him do any riddle-based crimes- oh wait...

** How did the three girls know what to sing when their whole act was improvised on the spot?

** The bouncing crossbow bolt thing. Even for a cartoon (except really silly ones, which this series isn't) that was WAAAY too farfetched.

** And the biggest one: how did Catwoman know that LETTING "MALONE" DIE was the only way to restore Batman??? (of course, that might not have been her intention, Batman just assumed it was. Still, that was a BIG asspull.)

** Or explain to Robin about the costume change... not mention GIVE HIM ONE TOO!?

** From the episode proper, did Joker really say he was going to turn Batman into a "drooling, mindless fuck"? That can't be right.

*** He said FOP.

*** The little runt nearly destroyed the universe, and got Batman killed several times over. I'd pretty much give anything to keep him busy, and we already know he's not going to kill J-Mite.

**** No, just [[Fate Worse Than Death|make him his toy for eternity...]]

** The episode also mentions Jason Todd's death as part of the greatest "Batman/Joker" moments, complete with the vote-for-his-death poll. While this was likely just part of Bat-Mite's ramblings, it still feels bad to see it referenced in a show like this.

*** About that, I was expecting Batman going Berserker or at least giving Bat-Mite a severe reprimand… but he didn’t. [[What the Hell, Hero?]]?

*** Remember, in this universe, Batman never took a second robin. He had all the other heroes as junior partners. Most likely, he had no idea what Bat-mite was talking about. As for why it was put in, no matter what, Bat-mite is the "ultimate" bat-fan, so of course they'd find some way to bring up one of Batman's defining stories. I also suppose that like Chill of the Night, it was a nod to a batman we know is there, just hidden in this one.

* In "Requiem for a Scarlet Speedster", how come Batman was perfectly fine ''both'' times he was covered in molten bronze? He's not even in pain.

** Maybe his suit protects him? His cape and cowl can survive being boiled in acid and he just needs to cover his mouth to go into space.

** [[Idiot Plot|How did badly-mangled stories of the American revolution (and a bad song) inspire an alien uprising?]]

*** They're aliens, they know less than ''him.'' besides, the whole point of the episode was it's not the facts the count but SPIRIRT!

** I can believe Plas not realizing it was a voting day, but not knowing who Barack Obama is? Come on!

* "Darkseid Descending":

* When they're assembling the new Justice League in the Watchtower, there's a fight over Hal Jordan's old room and there's allusions to how many heroes were recently lost to Starro. ''Which ones died besides Hal Jordan and B'wana Beast?''

** They never said that Hal Jordan, or any other hero, died. They just made reference to an incident that split the old Justice League several years ago.

** Why did [[Jimmy Olsen]] pretend to be deathly ill just to find Superman's secret identity (not to mention think that his supersenses wouldn't find out?) Some 'best friend.'

*** Similarly, it took Jimmy (and the rest of Metropolis) less than 24 hours to decide to picket him? Nobody thought "he must be an impostor, or mind controlled?" Not to mention that after the things he did, why would he care if somebody hurled tomatoes at him? In fact it was almost ''suicidal.'' (If they left him alone, he probably would have sat in his throne the whole day, until the effects passed.)

** If Batman had time to go put on a [[Powered Armor]] suit, why didn't he call the freakin' Justice League? Or better yet, [[Doctor Fate]]? If not for Krypto, he would have been *killed.*

*** And before somebody says [[Rule of Funny]], for all the humor, this isn't that kind of show. (Except when Bat-Mite is around, but he's a [[Cloudcuckoolander]] [[Reality Warper]].)

*** And just because it's not a funny wacky off the wall kids show doesn't mean that things can't happen just because they're funny. So yes, [[Rule of Funny]] definitely can be applied.

*** I don't mind shows that homage the [[Silver Age]] wackyness, but when they do it to Batman, they ''always'' have explanations for it (like Bat-Mite.) Why didn't Superman get one as well? Mr. Mxyzptlk could have been used for it, but they got rid of him right away. (Btw, Batman's comment that he was worse than Bat-Mite was disproven right away when Superman beat him a knock-knock joke! Even in the old comics it took a little more work.)

** The Weeper is an character introduced 1940ish in the Bulletman series. There were actually two of them, the original and his son. There is wikipedia link on the recap page. He and Joker met in one of those reality crossovers and Joker showed him how crime worked in his reality. I don't know if Batman ever had to deal with him before.

** How Batman is portrayed makes actually sense. The other episodes are mostly told from Batmans perspective, this one from Jokers, who would change some little things around to tell a better story or because he wishes they were true - Batman being more violent for example. This is at least my guess, but the episode with Aquamans family works that way so there is a precedent.

* Did the writers even know they were turning Batman into a massive [[God Mode Sue]]? Early on it wasn't so bad, where Batman did actually need help from other heroes. But by the third season you have crap like "Night of the Bat-Men" and "Bold Beginnings" where the other heroes of the DCU exist solely to fawn over Batman and gush over how great he is and why he's so much better than everything else that ever lived.

** Of course they knew.

* In "Mystery in Space", they say that the doomsday weapon is indestructible, which is why they need the eclipse. But Strange quite clearly and easily blasts two holes in it himself, with just the items he carries around with him.

 

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