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** Kat may be an even straighter example.
* [[Anvilicious]]:
** While morally ambiguous enough to avoid being preachy, [[The War Onon Terror]] subtext is far from subtle.
** The unbelievably corny, thankfully deleted final moments of the series finale: {{spoiler|Be nice to your robots, or the Cylon War will repeat again.}} Real subtle.
** Let's not even go to the religious angle.
* [[Base Breaker]]: Gaius frakking Baltar.
* [[Broken Base]]: As if the controversial ending and the reception for ''[[Caprica]]'' wasn't enough, there's the new announcement that, ''in addition to [[Caprica]]'', [[Sy FySyfy]] is planning to launch a new show focused on Adama's young days as a Viper pilot. Cue half the fanbase saying "finally, no more frakking teenage angst!" and the other half saying "so they're substituting the ideas and complex storylines of ''[[Caprica]]'' for a show with explosions?" It doesn't help that [[Sy FySyfy]] is specifically pushing the action element as an alternative to ''[[Caprica]]''.
* [[Big Lipped Alligator Moment]]: Caprica-Six's spine glowing while having sex with Baltar in the miniseries, and Boomer's doing the same the first time she sleeps with Helo on Caprica. This is never shown, much less referred to again, and it seems to go way beyond [[Early Installment Weirdness]].
* [[The Chris Carter Effect]]: It would be nice if the Cylons shared their plan with the writers. Or admitted if their plan has been totally derailed by now. Or how the lost Cylons became lost. Or what the significance of the Final Five were in the grand scheme of things. Or everything else.
** {{[[BLAM Episode]]: "The Woman King," intended to lead into a storyline that ended up getting tossed out, and it also had a few scenes that would have led up to it in previous episodes deleted, so you're left with this bizarre standalone story with everyone acting out of character, which never has any more impact on the plot.
** [[The Chris Carter Effect]]: It would be nice if the Cylons shared their plan with the writers. Or admitted if their plan has been totally derailed by now. Or how the lost Cylons became lost. Or what the significance of the Final Five were in the grand scheme of things. Or everything else.<br /><br />Somewhat turned on its head halfway through season four when it's suggested the 'plan' is {{spoiler|the final five's plan, not the significant seven's.}} The plan was finally revealed a few episodes before the series ends. It turned out that there were ''two'' vague sets of goals; {{spoiler|the Final Five were trying to break the [[Cycle of Revenge]] between humans and Cylons,}} and {{spoiler|John was out to convince the Final Five that humans weren't worth saving.}} ''And'' then in the [[Made for TV Movie]] ''The Plan'', it turns out that {{spoiler|at least one of the Number Ones/Cavils changed his mind as to what the plan should be.}}
* [[Broken Base]]: As if the controversial ending and the reception for ''[[Caprica]]'' wasn't enough, there's the new announcement that, ''in addition to [[Caprica]]'', [[Sy Fy]] is planning to launch a new show focused on Adama's young days as a Viper pilot. Cue half the fanbase saying "finally, no more frakking teenage angst!" and the other half saying "so they're substituting the ideas and complex storylines of ''[[Caprica]]'' for a show with explosions?" It doesn't help that [[Sy Fy]] is specifically pushing the action element as an alternative to ''[[Caprica]]''.
* [[The Chris Carter Effect]]: It would be nice if the Cylons shared their plan with the writers. Or admitted if their plan has been totally derailed by now. Or how the lost Cylons became lost. Or what the significance of the Final Five were in the grand scheme of things. Or everything else.<br /><br />Somewhat turned on its head halfway through season four when it's suggested the 'plan' is {{spoiler|the final five's plan, not the significant seven's.}} The plan was finally revealed a few episodes before the series ends. It turned out that there were ''two'' vague sets of goals; {{spoiler|the Final Five were trying to break the [[Cycle of Revenge]] between humans and Cylons,}} and {{spoiler|John was out to convince the Final Five that humans weren't worth saving.}} ''And'' then in the [[Made for TV Movie]] ''The Plan'', it turns out that {{spoiler|at least one of the Number Ones/Cavils changed his mind as to what the plan should be.}}
* [[Complete Monster]]:
** While {{spoiler|John Cavil}} is introduced as an amusing [[Deadpan Snarker]], as the series goes on you come to learn what a twisted psychotic piece of work he truly is and you'll ''hate'' him for it which makes {{spoiler|his death all the more satisfying.}} Solidified in The Plan, as mentioned under [[Moral Event Horizon]]. {{spoiler|A child has been coming to, and generally getting shooed out of Cavil's chapel throughout the film. Cavil almost seems to be warming up to the kid... until he runs a knife through him. Cavil must ''really'' hate his name John, which the kid has the misfortune of sharing.}}
** There's also Cain, who crossed the horizon a lot during the series. She cannibalizes a fleet of refugee ships for parts before leaving them at the mercy of the Cylons, also taking any able bodied man aboard and killing their families so they don't have an excuse to stay, witholds supplies from the Fleet, and leads the Fleet into fighting with the Cylons despite ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' being the only combat-worthy ships.
* [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]]: In season one's "You Can't Go Home Again", Starbuck is shot down on a moon, and Bill Adama pushes and pushes the deadline to abandon her, putting the fleet in danger. Lee, full of [[Angst]] and [[I Am Not My Father|unresolved]] [[Dead Little Sister|father]] [[Follow in My Footsteps|issues]], [[Calling the Old Man Out|skeptically asks]] his father {{spoiler|if he would've waited so long if Lee was down there.}}
{{quote| '''Cmdr. Adama:''' ''[calmly and with certainty]'' {{spoiler|If you were down there, we would never leave.}}<br />
Lee reacts basically {{spoiler|as if he'd been slapped in the face. With his father's love.}} }}
* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]:
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** Shall I go on?
** [[Bear McCreary]] himself considers ''Diaspora Oratorio'' [http://io9.com/5557483/composer-bear-mccreary-jumps-from-battlestar-galactica-to-videogames his personal] [[Crowning Music of Awesome]], even though [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=396 it nearly drove him to a] [[Creator Breakdown]].
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Baltar is an insufferable, irritating, self-proclaimed "genius", and is arguably one of the major villains for a couple of seasons, but still the ladies swoon over his macho stubble. In show as well given his successes. Though this is helped by him being amusing, oddly sympathetic despite his narcissism, hugely charismatic and genuinely a genius, if out of his depth in the circumstances he finds himself in. And mad.<br /><br />In the series finale, Baltar makes the leap from being [[Draco in Leather Pants]] to being a [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass]] by being Horatius at the Bridge in his defense against the Cylon borders. Thus, he finally did something that, as Apollo demanded, didn't even indirectly benefit Gaius Baltar. Aside from proving Apollo wrong, which has got to be satisfying on ''some'' level.
** In the series finale, Baltar makes the leap from being [[Draco in Leather Pants]] to being a [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass]] by being Horatius at the Bridge in his defense against the Cylon borders. Thus, he finally did something that, as Apollo demanded, didn't even indirectly benefit Gaius Baltar. Aside from proving Apollo wrong, which has got to be satisfying on ''some'' level.
* [[Dropped a Bridge Onon Him]]: Boomer seems to be a magnet for bridges.
** Bridge magnet?
* [[Epileptic Trees]]: It was widely speculated that Daniel was Starbuck's father and that he taught her {{spoiler|"All Along The Watchtower".}} But this was never the plan, and the episodes were finished long before they were seen. Other speculations about Daniel include that he was Baltar, father of [[Brother-Sister Incest|Baltar AND Starbuck]], Zak, Gaeta, or responsible for the Head Characters.
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* [[Fridge Brilliance]]: The "Final Five" moniker is actually still relevant in light of the revelation that they were actually the ''first'' five Cylons, as they are still the ''final'' five survivors from {{spoiler|the first Earth}}, and thus the final five members of their original race.
* [[Genius Bonus]]: The Cylon-Human negotiation station that opens the miniseries is very similar to the [[wikipedia:Joint Security Area|Korean Joint Security Area]].
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: President Roslin's adorably naive aide Billy had [[Dropped a Bridge Onon Him|a bridge dropped on him]] because the actor who played him decided to leave the show to pursue a role on a more mainstream show. A year and a half later, said show never even made it past the pilot stage, and the character who replaced Billy becomes a Cylon central to the show's mythology... Go figure. She's also the only female Cylon of the "Watchtower Four", which means that she's the one who ends up bedding Baltar...what would have happened if Billy had still been around?
* [[Ho Yay]]: [[Battlestar Galactica (Franchise)/Ho Yay|Has its own page]]
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]:
** While usually sympathetic and a protagonist, Kara Thrace can be a ''bitch.'' Her ability to be a [[Karma Houdini]] rivals Baltar's at times.
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** "John" pretty much ''lives'' on the far side of said horizon. {{spoiler|John recently got one more hit with The Plan, where he kills a young boy he'd been "befriending" up until then, all because he found friends to be too dangerous. The careless way he tosses the body aside just adds to the squicky bad-ness.}}
** {{spoiler|While she should have crossed it when she tried to kill Hera, Boomer finally joins Zarek on the other side when, after emotionally manipulating Tyrol into freeing her, she brutalizes Athena, has sex with an unknowing Helo, then kidnaps their daughter and uses her as a hostage as she knowingly risks destroying Galactica in her escape attempt.}}
** Admiral Cain is clearly straddling the moral event horizon from the moment she first appears onscreen, but she crosses it fully when she {{spoiler|orders Athena, who is pregnant at the time, to be ''raped'' in order to get information about the resurrection ships out of her.}}<br /><br />Chronologically speaking, she crosses it in flashback in ''Razor'' when she {{spoiler|executes her XO for insubordination when's merely trying to talk her out diving into a suicide mission. What's more, by this point we already know that she's ordered Gina raped as well--what's uncovered over the course of ''Razor'' is that Gina was the love of her life and she ordered her raped out of pure ''[[Woman Scorned|seething spite]]''}}.
*** Chronologically speaking, she crosses it in flashback in ''Razor'' when she {{spoiler|executes her XO for insubordination when's merely trying to talk her out diving into a suicide mission. What's more, by this point we already know that she's ordered Gina raped as well--what's uncovered over the course of ''Razor'' is that Gina was the love of her life and she ordered her raped out of pure ''[[Woman Scorned|seething spite]]''}}.
* [[Motive Decay]]: Fans of Boomer complain that she has been derailed from being defiantly human to being upset by, but not stopping, the horrors of New Caprica to {{spoiler|attempted niece-infanticide}} to {{spoiler|siding with Cavil against the better elements of Cylon society}} without enough time devoted to what's going on in her head. For further annoyance: scenes about Boomer's motivations do exist, they were just deleted from the aired episodes.
* [[MST3K Mantra]]: In the commentary to ''Razor'', the showrunners admit that they have no idea how Kara and Lee could know that Kendra Shaw might {{spoiler|think she deserved to die}}, since she never confides in anyone about her part in the massacre of the civilians' families. (In an earlier draft, she told Starbuck.) "It's television! Don't worry about it!
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** {{spoiler|Dualla's sudden, shocking and violent suicide after pretending to be happy}} will leave a mark on even the most well-adjusted.
** In season 4.0, {{spoiler|even though she was [[The Scrappy]], Cally's death by airlock (in front of her son no less) is absolutely chilling.}} Even worse, {{spoiler|before Tory showed up, there was every indication that Cally planned to throw herself out the airlock, along with the aforementioned '''''infant''''' son. Let's repeat: a baby, being subjected to all the horrible things empty space does to you before killing you. Thankfully, the writers didn't take it that far; just dangling the possibility was horrifying enough.}}
** Being informed you and [[Cloning Blues|everyone like you]] will be [[Human Popsicle|boxed]] [[Never Say "Die"|indefinitely]].
** Finding out you're a Cylon [[Deep-Cover Agent|sleeper agent]].
** If you're even accused, possibly even [[Kangaroo Court|tried]] for treason, good [[Pardon My Klingon|fracking]] luck.
** A humorous in-universe example occurs when Baltar sees Head Baltar and is clearly only restrained from ''wigging out'' by remembering he's in public.
* [[BigNon LippedSequitur Alligator MomentScene]]: Caprica-Six's spine glowing while having sex with Baltar in the miniseries, and Boomer's doing the same the first time she sleeps with Helo on Caprica. This is never shown, much less referred to again, and it seems to go way beyond [[Early Installment Weirdness]].
* [[Recycled Script]]: Two Season 3 episodes which are definitely NOT fan favorites are often criticized for their perceived similarities to episodes of ''[[Star Trek the Next Generation]]'':
** {{[[BLAMNon Sequitur Episode]]: "The Woman King," intended to lead into a storyline that ended up getting tossed out, and it also had a few scenes that would have led up to it in previous episodes deleted, so you're left with this bizarre standalone story with everyone acting out of character, which never has any more impact on the plot.
** [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hero "Hero"] and [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Defector "The Defector"] (the writing of the latter, ironically, credited to Ron Moore) both revolve around someone in a small ship being chased by the enemy and seeking refuge under questionable circumstances. In both cases, subsequent review of the data shows that the enemy was shooting to miss, and as a result the crew realize that the enemy was allowing the fugitive to escape to further their own sinister motives.
* [[Recycled Script]]: Two Season 3 episodes which are definitely NOT fan favorites are often criticized for their perceived similarities to episodes of ''[[Star Trek: theThe Next Generation]]'':
** [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/A_Measure_Of_Salvation "A Measure of Salvation"] and [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/I,_Borg "I, Borg"] both involve the crew capturing a member (or members) of the enemy, and then plotting to return him/them to their own kind with a genocidal virus.
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20130909213305/http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hero "Hero"] and [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Defector "The Defector"] (the writing of the latter, ironically, credited to Ron Moore) both revolve around someone in a small ship being chased by the enemy and seeking refuge under questionable circumstances. In both cases, subsequent review of the data shows that the enemy was shooting to miss, and as a result the crew realize that the enemy was allowing the fugitive to escape to further their own sinister motives.
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20130831010532/http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/A_Measure_Of_SalvationA_Measure_of_Salvation "A Measure of Salvation"] and [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/I,_Borg "I, Borg"] both involve the crew capturing a member (or members) of the enemy, and then plotting to return him/them to their own kind with a genocidal virus.
* [[Special Effects Failure]]: Though the budget was high and the visual effects generally very good, the Centurions never, ever look convincing.
* [[Squick]]:
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** Heck, Boomer/Cavil. Cavil/anyone is kinda Squicky, be it middle-aged cougars or hot young chicks.
** {{spoiler|The audience heard about the Cylons moving seemingly human corpses on the Twelve Colonies into massive incinerators after the attack. When we see it in The Plan, the physical image will be guaranteed to give you [[Nightmare Fuel]], at the absolute least.}} The worst part? {{spoiler|"Corpses" do not cry out for help en mass once it appears that the Cylons around them are dead}}.
** While filming ''[[The Movie|The Plan]]'' [[Directed Byby Cast Member|actor-turned-director]] Edward James Olmos decided to test the limits of the term "unrated DVD" by engineering an all nude scene in ''Galactica'''s unisex head and covertly trying to get a shot of an actor's penis. And it worked.
* [[Surprisingly Improved Sequel|Surprisingly Improved Reboot]]: Took the solid concept of the original series and ran with it, removing the cheesy elements and a strong emphasis on character development. It was a major critical and commercial success.
* [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks]]: What several fans of the original think of this version, especially when a [[Gender Flip|certain gender fact about Starbuck and Boomer]] first came to light. Being a show full of ongoing mysteries and major plot upheavals (some of them overt and flashy, some of them small but significant twists, some of them constituting games of Chicken with hype and fan expectation), the new version leaves itself frequently vulnerable to this criticism.
* [[Wall Banger]]: Enough for [[{{TOPLEVELPAGE}}/Wall Banger|a page of their own]].
* [[The Woobie]]: Many characters but especially Lee Adama and Kara Thrace who never get to be together although she's reincarnated as a pigeon so they get to be together in a way.
** Tory Foster. Devotedly loyal to Laura Roslin who treated her like scum, then to Gaius Baltar who scarcely acknowledged her existence and finally Galen Tyrol thanked her for saving his daughter and killing his wife whom he never particularly liked, by impolitely snapping her neck and killing her.
** &And Felix is a woobie for the entire series. He's very rudely disillusioned by his then-hero, Baltar, by the latter's actions on New Caprica. He's the fleet navigator yet never even gets an official military promotion, unless you count the time when {{spoiler|Zarek}} promotes him {{spoiler|during the mutiny}}, which may or may not have been official or legal. It's clear from his interview in D'Anna's documentary film that he dislikes his job and finds it very difficult to de-stress, and is something of an odd man out among his colleagues. In season 3, after {{spoiler|the fleet returns to Galatica, he is beaten and then almost executed by The Circle for being a collaborator, and is hated throughout the fleet until Chief clears his name}}. Outside of the webisodes he never had any romantic relationships or love interests. And in the webisodes, {{spoiler|his lover on New Caprica betrays him, making him think that she's getting prisoners released when in reality she's killing most of them}}. {{spoiler|The loss of his leg}} could have been prevented; plus, no one faces any consequences for what happened to Felix. After {{spoiler|he loses his leg}}, he doesn't even get many visitors while in sick bay. Later on, {{spoiler|Dualla, who had been his friend, commits suicide right after talking to him}}.
*** {{spoiler|A few points? In the final minutes of the episode, they brought Felix right back to when he was singing in sickbay. For all the blood on his hands, his execution is still Adama [[Break the Cutie|breaking the cutie.]]}}
* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds|Woobie, Destroyer of the Fleet]]: The above discussion of {{spoiler|Gaeta's}} mutiny indicates that he probably qualifies. Though 'Destroyer of the Fleet' is more a metaphorical term in this instance...
 
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