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[[File:TurkishParliamentFight 4680.jpg|frame|The Turkish Grand National Assembly must've skipped coffee that morning.]]
{{quote|''Mr. Sumner, I have read your speech twice over carefully. It is a libel on South Carolina, and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine.''
Sometimes, debates in legislatures can get a little ''too'' heated. The result: a scuffle breaks out on the floor of the chamber.
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Note: In [[Real Life]], legislative violence is actually a fairly good indicator of democracy—if politicians are fighting in Parliament, it means their opinions differ, and differ publicly, and that the legislature is actually a powerful enough institution to be worth fighting over. Dictatorships tend to have very polite, well-mannered "legislative bodies".
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== Film ==
* ''[[300]]'': Queen Gorgo speaks to the Spartan senate, hoping to convince them to send the full army to reinforce Leonidas. Theron betrays her and mocks her fidelity for having slept with him. Gorgo's rebuttal is a knife to his ribs followed by a ruthless [[Ironic Echo]] of the words he used against her during said tryst ([[Scarpia Ultimatum|which was anything]] [[Rape as Drama|but consensual]]).
* There are a couple of small ones near the end of ''[[Mr. Smith Goes to Washington]]''.
* In ''[[1776 (musical)|1766]]'', John Adams and John Dickinson end up [[Cane Fu|waling away at each other with their walking sticks]] on the floor of the Continental Congress, and don't stop until Colonel McKean fires his rifle into the chamber ceiling.
== Literature ==
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* Joked about in "America: The Book" from [[The Daily Show]]. In an article about the Army-McCarthy hearings, the "have you no decency?" exchange eventually ended in the breaking-out of "wiffle canes".
* In ''[[Star Trek: Destiny]]'', when President Bacco calls the ambassadors from the major galactic powers together for an emergency conference, Klingon ambassador K'mtok and Romulan ambassador Kalavak end up fighting. After a series of accusations and insults regarding events in prior novels (particularly in ''[[Star Trek: Articles of the Federation]]''), the two begin to physically scuffle, until separated by Federation security.
* In ''[[The Republic of Thieves]]'', the members of the Konseil of the city state of Karthain get into fisticuffs with each other and the police when {{spoiler|one member, immediately after the new Konseil has been elected, declares that he quits his party and becomes an independent, changing an election result of 10-9 into a result of 9-9-1.}}
* Violence is rare ''inside'' the Chamber of the Council of Counts by Gregor's time-well technically. There are a few interesting occasions though. In '''Miles in Love''' one candidate in a succession dispute tries to have his rival violently knocked out of the way by an ambush. He is able to stumble into the council chamber to testify and his rival's party turns against him. There is no blood on the debate floor but there is the result of attempted bloodshed plain for all to see.
*In Honor Harrington there is once literal blood on the debate floor when a Grayson noble guilty of treasonously conspiring with Masadan terrorists, appeals to [[Trial by Combat]] and is deservedly killed.
**Manticore does not have much actual blood in Parliament. But there is blackmail, mudslinging, gerrymandering and election tampering, and much of it can be so brutal that the loser can wish he had been in a physical dust-up. With all that dueling is still a part of upper class culture and once in a while someone will be angry enough to [[Throwing Down the Gauntlet|give challenge.]]
***Haven does not have a tradition of genteel slaughter between angry dignitaries as does Grayson or Manticore. However for several generations there were repeated coups, terrorist feuds, riots and rebellions, totalitarian tyranny, and [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|unpleasantness.]] In the restored Havenite Republic, politics is not violent. But it is as raucous as could satisfy the heart of any properly [[Sleazy Politician]].
== [[Live Action TV]] ==
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== [[Theatre]] ==
* The death scene in ''[[Julius Caesar (theatre)|Julius Caesar]]''. Kinda because it really happened. (see Real Life)
* John Dickinson and John Adams get into a stick fight during the Continental Congress in ''[[1776 (musical)|1776]]''.
== Tabletop Games ==
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* Has happened more than once in [[Chile]] too, with rather harsh polemics among congressmen of every political wing. The crowd watching has gotten its share of fistfights and yelling sessions too. One of the most infamous examples happened when [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be0ikc8DIUM right-wing senator Ivan Moreira attacked left-wing senator Jorge Schaulsohn when he was speaking to some TV teams], which reached quite the [[Memetic Mutation]] levels back then; some of the most recent involve [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOYTbTj7ENg protesting university students] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbthhsOQSfg a lawmakers struggling with several workers and causing a secretary's miscarriage.]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ERu7xb8uh0&feature=feedu Happened in] [[Lebanon]] in 2011. In response to an anti-Syrian MP calling [[Syria]]n [[President Evil|President]] [[Complete Monster|Bashar al-Assad]] a liar, a pro-Syrian MP attempted to attack the anti-Syrian with a chair, but was restrained.
* One [[Tropes Are Flexible|variation]] was the Bladensburg Dueling Ground outside Washingtion DC in early America. It was outside the jurisdiction of DC lawmen and State ones were not inclined to go on a long hike just to avoid [[Acceptable Targets|having fewer politicians.]] As a result whenever political quarrels became a little to [[Understatement|excitable]] they would head for Bladensburg.
**Abolitionist and pro-slavery politicians had a regular feud going long before the [[American Civil War]]. In some places one could not be elected without being in a duel.
**Other political quarrels were reflected on the dueling ground in both Britain and America. In a way it was a kind of [[Combat by Champion]].
* It is striking how violent the metaphors typically used for even fairly normal politics are, "Campaign", "Mudslinging", "Attack Ad", "Damage Control", and even "Whip".
* According to tales St. Nicholas and the dissident cleric Arrius attended the historical Council of Nicaea (the subject was rather wonky theological issues). In the process Nicholas slapped Arrius, and basically Emperor Constantine grabbed him and threw him in the cooler for a time for disturbing the peace.
**It must be noted that there are spoilsports who say that Nicholas may not have even been at Nicaea. But it's too good a story to leave out. Come on, being slugged by [[Santa Claus]]?
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