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See also [[Super-Persistent Predator]], [[Let's Meet the Meat]], [[Ascended to Carnivorism]], and [[I Taste Delicious]]. Compare [[Furry Confusion]], [[Cats Are Mean]], [[Reptiles Are Abhorrent]] (notice that small lizards and turtles, two groups that include herbivores, get to be non-abhorrent far more frequently than snakes, which are all carnivores), and [[What Measure Is a Non-Cute?]]. As with What Measure is a Non Cute, do not expect to see realistic animal behavior taken into account. When it's between a [[Friendly Neighborhood Vampire]] and a human, it's [[Warm Bloodbags Are Everywhere]]. Things get ''really'' ugly when [[I'm a Humanitarian]] gets thrown into the mix.
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== Anime and Manga ==
* ''[[Kimba the White Lion]]'' has played a bit with this problem (despite being guilty of this trope itself in early episodes): after all animals make peace under the new "lion king", they are suddenly facing a situation where no-one is allowed to eat anyone else, thus reducing their entire carnivore population to live solely on insect (and even THAT gives them moral qualms; lucky that a man who's been trying to invent "artificial meat" eventually comes along...)
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** Bagheera doesn't shy from eating river-turtles though, who would only occur ''within'' the river. Also, said turtles are repltiles, but then so are snakes, so where is the line drawn?
* On the ''[[Discworld]]'' some animals have human-like intelligence, due to magical effects, but it's very rare. In ''Moving Pictures'', the cat half of the Tom and Jerry parody has sworn off mice since "Jerry" started talking, and in ''The Amazing Maurice And His Educated Rodents'', the titular cat always offers his prey a chance to speak before eating it. {{spoiler|Although when he was a normal cat, he ate a talking rat because he didn't know better. That's how he gained the ability in the first place.}}
** The animals in ''[[
** What's very rare for animals to be able to ''speak''. Werewolves and talking dogs can both talk to normal dogs, who have been shown to be intelligent. I don't know about other animals, but I do remember once when someone mentioned to Death something about humans being more important than chickens, he responded that that's a distinction commonly made by humans. Also, dogs aren't treated particularly well. For example, in ''[[Making Money]]'', a dog became the chairman of the bank, but the employees just did what his owner said, rather than using an actual translator.
*** Because [[Selective Obliviousness|everyone knows dogs can't talk]]. And also, as established in ''[[The Truth]]'', they are basically still dogs (with exceptions for special cases) and can't really think outside the kennel.
*** How "intelligent" ordinary dogs are is very up for debate: "Good boy Laddie!"
*** It's also sort of implied that everyone resorts to the "legal fiction" that the owner in question is acting according to the wishes of the dog - in other words, the owner effectively IS the translator. Of course, everyone knows this is a lie, but everyone also ACTS like it's the truth, because admitting the truth would be in bad taste.
*** Mr Slant says to [[Those Two Bad Guys]] in ''The Truth'' that via the Watch werewolf, a canine witness would be acceptable in a court of law.
**** Though it's clear that legal precedent isn't the same thing as "sane" in this setting.
** Note that the street dogs in ''[[
* In the kids' book ''Tiddler'', all the characters are sea creatures. Tiddler, a fish, asks a shrimp for directions at one point. Meanwhile back at Tiddler's school, the other fish kids are eating seaweed and '''shrimps''' for lunch.
* ''[[Redwall]]'' gets very confusing on this issue. The heroes are mostly mice and for the most part, all the villains (though we never actually ''see'' them eat anyone) are mouse predators (see also [[Cats Are Mean]]). The confusion sets in when it turns out that animals who eat mice (a lot in some cases) are also found among the heroes. There's one especially strange book where the mice fight [[Ravens and Crows|an army of ravens]] by teaming up with an ''owl'' and a ''hawk''. Now if you're a mouse, is it really corvids who keep you constantly anxious rather than raptors?'
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* There was a ''[[Tales from the Darkside]]'' episode called "Your Weight Is Over" that took this concept to the very extreme. A malevolent "diet company" gave a woman the power to hear food talking. Any food, vegetable, or animal. So whenever she bit in, it screamed. She starved to death in the end.
** Puzzling, in as much as fruits (and many so-called vegetables, such as tomatoes and eggplant) are not whole organisms; they are in effect fertilized ovaries, deliberately cast off by a plant in order to facilitate its reproduction. Even if you pluck an apple from a tree instead of waiting for it to fall, you're not killing (or indeed hurting) anything. The seeds are ''designed'' to pass through an animal digestive tract unharmed and viable.
*** If you think about ''that'' too hard, especially in the context of sentient apple trees, you get a whole different kind of [[Squick]] (see ''[[
*** Processed meat certainly wouldn't be able to speak, either, so both must just be a trick.
*** Fresh vegetables can feel "pain" much better than processed meat. Animals feel pain via nerve cells, which are dead at that point. The vegetable's equivalent damage-recognition system (which is based on hormone changes and cell membrane voltage) is fully functioning while it's fresh. Of course, vegetables do not have central nervous systems to process the sensation, so the point is moot unless you have an aversion to damaging food in general.
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