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* Characters in some of Douglas Coupland's books have read his other books.
* Characters in some of Douglas Coupland's books have read his other books.
** It gets even more entertaining. In JPod, beyond characters referencing Douglas Coupland's books as if they existed in the JPod universe, Coupland himself appears as himself, first sitting beside the main character on a flight to China, then a few other times, before finally becoming, in a way, the antagonist of the story for the main character (as himself, not an omnipotent author figure).
** It gets even more entertaining. In JPod, beyond characters referencing Douglas Coupland's books as if they existed in the JPod universe, Coupland himself appears as himself, first sitting beside the main character on a flight to China, then a few other times, before finally becoming, in a way, the antagonist of the story for the main character (as himself, not an omnipotent author figure).
* Disputed in the [[Cthulhu Mythos]]: orthodox fans (as well as the game [[Call of Cthulhu]]) assume that Howard P. Lovecraft is absent from this universe, but in a move that would be controversial in hindsight, August Derleth made Lovecraft a character in the Mythos. Fan consensus dismisses Derleth's idea.
* Disputed in the [[Cthulhu Mythos]]: orthodox fans (as well as the game [[Call of Cthulhu (tabletop game)]]) assume that Howard P. Lovecraft is absent from this universe, but in a move that would be controversial in hindsight, August Derleth made Lovecraft a character in the Mythos. Fan consensus dismisses Derleth's idea.
** In a Hellboy/Batman/Starman team-up comic, a group of Nazis try to summon a Great Old One. When Starman says "Old One as in Lovecraft?" Hellboy responds "Hey, Lovecraft knew stuff."
** In a Hellboy/Batman/Starman team-up comic, a group of Nazis try to summon a Great Old One. When Starman says "Old One as in Lovecraft?" Hellboy responds "Hey, Lovecraft knew stuff."
** Likewise, Lovecraft is mentioned when Cthulhu makes a cameo in ''[[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy/And Another Thing|And Another Thing]]...''.
** Likewise, Lovecraft is mentioned when Cthulhu makes a cameo in ''[[The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy/And Another Thing|And Another Thing]]...''.
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** Just to further twist the self-reference, an Episode with the 7th Doctor in the original series was set on the day the TV show actually launched, and a voice on the telly is briefly heard to say, "It is now 5:15, and its time for the new science-fiction series Do--" before it is cut off.
** Just to further twist the self-reference, an Episode with the 7th Doctor in the original series was set on the day the TV show actually launched, and a voice on the telly is briefly heard to say, "It is now 5:15, and its time for the new science-fiction series Do--" before it is cut off.
** In the episode "Army of Ghosts," ''[[Eastenders]]'' exists as a fictional television series. The character of Peggy Mitchell bars a ghost she presumes to be Den Watts from The Queen Vic. In the real ''[[Eastenders]]'' Watts was killed by his wife Chrissie, who is played by Tracy-Ann Oberman. Oberman played Yvonne Hartman in "Army of Ghosts."
** In the episode "Army of Ghosts," ''[[Eastenders]]'' exists as a fictional television series. The character of Peggy Mitchell bars a ghost she presumes to be Den Watts from The Queen Vic. In the real ''[[Eastenders]]'' Watts was killed by his wife Chrissie, who is played by Tracy-Ann Oberman. Oberman played Yvonne Hartman in "Army of Ghosts."
** [[Doctor Who/Recap/S3 E5 The Massacre|Considering]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S5 E4 The Enemy of the World|the number]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S16 E4 The Androids of Tara|of identical]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S17 E1 Destiny of the Daleks|doubles]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S19 E5 Black Orchid|he has encountered]] throughout his travels in time and space, the Doctor probably isn't too surprised about it anymore.
** [[Doctor Who/Recap/S3/E05 The Massacre|Considering]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S5/E04 The Enemy of the World|the number]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S16/E04 The Androids of Tara|of identical]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S17/E01 Destiny of the Daleks|doubles]] [[Doctor Who/Recap/S19/E05 Black Orchid|he has encountered]] throughout his travels in time and space, the Doctor probably isn't too surprised about it anymore.
* [[Robin Williams]] does exist, as himself, in the ''[[Mork and Mindy]]'' universe. And Mork is horrified when people think they look alike. This is actually almost believable, until Mindy mentions he's a star of "'''TV''', film, and nightclubs." Maybe Robin Williams was part of the cast of whatever TV show replaced ''Mork And Mindy'' in said universe.
* [[Robin Williams]] does exist, as himself, in the ''[[Mork and Mindy]]'' universe. And Mork is horrified when people think they look alike. This is actually almost believable, until Mindy mentions he's a star of "'''TV''', film, and nightclubs." Maybe Robin Williams was part of the cast of whatever TV show replaced ''Mork And Mindy'' in said universe.
* ''[[Mad About You]]'' exists in the ''[[Seinfeld]]'' universe, but characters from ''Seinfeld'' have appeared on ''[[Mad About You]]''. Some sort of ''Seinfeld'' series also exists on ''[[Mad About You]]'', but it's unclear whether the series in question is the one from [[Real Life|the real world]], starring real Jerry Seinfeld, or the fictional sitcom ''Jerry'', starring the real Jerry Seinfeld's character portraying a character named Jerry Seinfeld ([[Wild Mass Guessing|who might himself be the real Jerry Seinfeld]]).
* ''[[Mad About You]]'' exists in the ''[[Seinfeld]]'' universe, but characters from ''Seinfeld'' have appeared on ''[[Mad About You]]''. Some sort of ''Seinfeld'' series also exists on ''[[Mad About You]]'', but it's unclear whether the series in question is the one from [[Real Life|the real world]], starring real Jerry Seinfeld, or the fictional sitcom ''Jerry'', starring the real Jerry Seinfeld's character portraying a character named Jerry Seinfeld ([[Wild Mass Guessing|who might himself be the real Jerry Seinfeld]]).
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* A [[TNA]] skit involved [[Kevin Nash]] figuring out new nicknames for Jay Lethal. He pitched names like "Vinnie Vegas" and "Oz" which were gimmicks Nash played in [[WCW]] at the start of his career. He openly acknowledged this while trying to figure out a gimmick for Sonjay Dutt. ("I wrestled two matches in that one year and earned six figures!")
* A [[TNA]] skit involved [[Kevin Nash]] figuring out new nicknames for Jay Lethal. He pitched names like "Vinnie Vegas" and "Oz" which were gimmicks Nash played in [[WCW]] at the start of his career. He openly acknowledged this while trying to figure out a gimmick for Sonjay Dutt. ("I wrestled two matches in that one year and earned six figures!")
* As certain wrestling skits over the past quarter-century have established, the characters of [[The Naked Gun|Frank Drebin]], [[RoboCop|Alex J. Murphy]], and [[Child's Play (film)|Charles Lee Ray]] all exist as their fictional selves....which gets freakin' weird once you remember that the wrestlers exist in our world as well as their fantasy one, not to mention that [[Bill Clinton]] and [[Barack Obama]] have appeared as well (as lookalike actors playing them, of course). Granted, Robocop and Chuckie were established in [[WCW]], and may or may not be canon to [[WWE]], but considering that [[WCW]] was meant to be in the real world as well... ow, I think I just pulled my brain.
* As certain wrestling skits over the past quarter-century have established, the characters of [[The Naked Gun|Frank Drebin]], [[RoboCop|Alex J. Murphy]], and [[Child's Play (film)|Charles Lee Ray]] all exist as their fictional selves....which gets freakin' weird once you remember that the wrestlers exist in our world as well as their fantasy one, not to mention that [[Bill Clinton]] and [[Barack Obama]] have appeared as well (as lookalike actors playing them, of course). Granted, Robocop and Chuckie were established in [[WCW]], and may or may not be canon to [[WWE]], but considering that [[WCW]] was meant to be in the real world as well... ow, I think I just pulled my brain.
* Also, Tiger Woods is apparently an ''[[Literal Minded|actual tiger]]''.
* Also, Tiger Woods is apparently an ''[[Literal-Minded|actual tiger]]''.
* [[Adam Sandler]] appeared in the audience at ''WrestleMania 21'' to see [[The Big Show]] wrestle. [[The Waterboy|I wonder if Sandler asked him for a job again afterward....]]
* [[Adam Sandler]] appeared in the audience at ''WrestleMania 21'' to see [[The Big Show]] wrestle. [[The Waterboy|I wonder if Sandler asked him for a job again afterward....]]
* And here's something to ''truly'' ponder: Sergeant Slaughter is both a "real" wrestler character and a fictional character in the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' cartoon series. Wait....does that mean that the characters in ''G. I. Joe''....actually exist? (And if ''that's'' true, why did they look radically different in the 1980s than in the 1960s? Were there some ultra-secret Cold War projects that the Pentagon didn't tell us about?)
* And here's something to ''truly'' ponder: Sergeant Slaughter is both a "real" wrestler character and a fictional character in the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' cartoon series. Wait....does that mean that the characters in ''G. I. Joe''....actually exist? (And if ''that's'' true, why did they look radically different in the 1980s than in the 1960s? Were there some ultra-secret Cold War projects that the Pentagon didn't tell us about?)
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* ''[[Brütal Legend|Brutal Legend]]'', oh so hard. [[Ozzy Osbourne]], [[Motorhead|Lemmy Kilmister]], [[The Runaways|Lita Ford]], and [[Judas Priest|Rob Halford]] show up in the game, [[Ink Suit Actor|are IDENTICAL to their real-life appearance]], and they're not recognized as such by metal uberfan Eddie Riggs.
* ''[[Brütal Legend|Brutal Legend]]'', oh so hard. [[Ozzy Osbourne]], [[Motorhead|Lemmy Kilmister]], [[The Runaways|Lita Ford]], and [[Judas Priest|Rob Halford]] show up in the game, [[Ink Suit Actor|are IDENTICAL to their real-life appearance]], and they're not recognized as such by metal uberfan Eddie Riggs.
* A bonus cutscene in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]]'', from [[The Verse]]'s [[Show Within a Show|bizarre television]], shows the actress Lee Meriwether (rather creepily) interviewing the screenwriter David Hayter -- Meriwether and [[Fan Nickname|Dayter]] being the voice actors for Big Mama and Solid Snake respectively. In case we didn't get it, Dayter is dressed in a snakeskin jacket and digital eyepatch, and Meriwether talks to him in the somewhat stilted, poetic, dramatic tones of a ''[[Metal Gear]]'' character giving an important speech, only addressing him by his full name. Did we mention the ''Metal Gear Solid'' has [[No Fourth Wall]]?
* A bonus cutscene in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]]'', from [[The Verse]]'s [[Show Within a Show|bizarre television]], shows the actress Lee Meriwether (rather creepily) interviewing the screenwriter David Hayter -- Meriwether and [[Fan Nickname|Dayter]] being the voice actors for Big Mama and Solid Snake respectively. In case we didn't get it, Dayter is dressed in a snakeskin jacket and digital eyepatch, and Meriwether talks to him in the somewhat stilted, poetic, dramatic tones of a ''[[Metal Gear]]'' character giving an important speech, only addressing him by his full name. Did we mention the ''Metal Gear Solid'' has [[No Fourth Wall]]?
** More subtly, ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater]]'' mentions many movies which served as an inspiration for the game, and the first ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'' ends ([[Multiple Endings|if you submit to the torture]]) with Snake openly discussing his [[Theme Naming]] with his new friend, Otacon (they're called [[2001: A Space Odyssey|Dave and Hal]]).
** More subtly, ''[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'' mentions many movies which served as an inspiration for the game, and the first ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'' ends ([[Multiple Endings|if you submit to the torture]]) with Snake openly discussing his [[Theme Naming]] with his new friend, Otacon (they're called [[2001: A Space Odyssey|Dave and Hal]]).
** [[Hideo Kojima]] exists within the ''[[Metal Gear]]'' universe, as a 'legendary game developer', and Otacon is shown to be a fan of his other games ''[[Policenauts]]'', ''[[Zone of the Enders]]'' and ''[[Boktai]]''. But Otacon, despite knowing Meryl and implicitly being friends with her, doesn't recognise Meryl Silverburgh as being an [[Expy]] of a character in ''[[Policenauts]]''. He also doesn't notice anything strange about the Solar Gun, or the HIDE-CHAN noodles. The weirdness of this is massively dwarfed by the fact that Emma has a ''[[Metal Gear]]: Ghost Babel'' poster in her lab in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'', with Snake on it. ''Ghost Babel'' also had Raiden in it, as well as the [[Show Within a Show]] ''IdeaSpy 2.5'', which Snake and Otacon are fans of in ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' and which ''was turned into a [[Radio Drama]] voice acted by Hideo Kojima and Yumi Kikuchi'' in the real world. If Snake recognises the resemblance between Yumi Kikuchi and Raging Beauty, he doesn't comment on it.
** [[Hideo Kojima]] exists within the ''[[Metal Gear]]'' universe, as a 'legendary game developer', and Otacon is shown to be a fan of his other games ''[[Policenauts]]'', ''[[Zone of the Enders]]'' and ''[[Boktai]]''. But Otacon, despite knowing Meryl and implicitly being friends with her, doesn't recognise Meryl Silverburgh as being an [[Expy]] of a character in ''[[Policenauts]]''. He also doesn't notice anything strange about the Solar Gun, or the HIDE-CHAN noodles. The weirdness of this is massively dwarfed by the fact that Emma has a ''[[Metal Gear]]: Ghost Babel'' poster in her lab in ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'', with Snake on it. ''Ghost Babel'' also had Raiden in it, as well as the [[Show Within a Show]] ''IdeaSpy 2.5'', which Snake and Otacon are fans of in ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' and which ''was turned into a [[Radio Drama]] voice acted by Hideo Kojima and Yumi Kikuchi'' in the real world. If Snake recognises the resemblance between Yumi Kikuchi and Raging Beauty, he doesn't comment on it.
*** It's possible Emma's poster isn't an example; after ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'', an account of the Shadow Moses incident is made public and denied by the government. The denial is rather flimsy, because Metal Gear REX's blueprints are sold all over the world, so everyone knows the "walking tank" part of the story is true, at least. As a result, Solid Snake becomes a figure in popular culture with many different ideas of what he's really like, or if maybe the government is telling the truth and "Solid Snake" is just a myth playing up on the exploits of real, but normal, military special forces. ''Ghost Babel'' could exist in-universe as a movie or videogame depicting one particular idea of what a Solid Snake adventure would be like if he is, indeed, real.
*** It's possible Emma's poster isn't an example; after ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'', an account of the Shadow Moses incident is made public and denied by the government. The denial is rather flimsy, because Metal Gear REX's blueprints are sold all over the world, so everyone knows the "walking tank" part of the story is true, at least. As a result, Solid Snake becomes a figure in popular culture with many different ideas of what he's really like, or if maybe the government is telling the truth and "Solid Snake" is just a myth playing up on the exploits of real, but normal, military special forces. ''Ghost Babel'' could exist in-universe as a movie or videogame depicting one particular idea of what a Solid Snake adventure would be like if he is, indeed, real.