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{{quote|"''The Dream of Zeal is alive!''"|'''Sargon''', to Melchior and Belthasar}}
 
''Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes'' is a [[Fan Sequel]] to ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'', taking place before ''[[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Chrono Cross]]''. Through a series of fateful events, its formal release to the public in May 2009 after five years of development was thwarted when they reported [[Screwed Byby the Lawyers|Square Enix sent them a Cease and Desist letter]].
 
Though the project was cancelled under fear of litigation, the incident led to massive [[Internet Backdraft]] in three forms, one consisting of fans of both the series and the project railing on [[Square Enix]] for shutting down the project, another consisting of skeptical fans thinking the whole thing is/was a publicity stunt for attention (in particular, noting inconsistencies with ''actual'' C&Ds sent by Squeenix and the plethora of non-C&D'd projects based on Squeenix properties), and a third consisting of copyright-anal fans and legal brains railing against the modders for using [[Square Enix]]'s stuff in the project. It generated significant coverage in high-profile gaming blogs that led to the mod getting notice from Slashdot and Google News, though notably none of these sites ''ever'' reported confirming the legitimacy of the C&D or even getting word on the subject from Square.
 
Eventually, a months-old and seriously-buggy alpha was leaked in late May and spread virally online and in file-sharing, and then a comprehensive playthrough video of the entire 98% complete beta version of the game was uploaded [http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMemorial in many 10-minute segments] on [[YouTube]]. A copy of the 95% '''beta''' version (as confirmed by ''Flames Of Eternity'' developer "Giro") [https://web.archive.org/web/20150131112645/http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/18/fan-made-chrono-trigger-sequel-finds-release/ was leaked to filesharing sites] and Reddit on January 17, 2011.
 
Recently, a different team has started an alternate project consisting in modifying ''Crimson Echoes'', with a different story and events. The project is named ''[http://metronomeproject.blogspot.com/ Chrono Trigger: Flames of Eternity]'' and has the tagline "''The Rage of the Ages burns for Eternity...''"
 
If a Trope already applies to ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'' proper, it probably shouldn't be duplicated here.
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=== {{tropelist|This <s>ROM hack</s> interactive [[Fan Fiction]] provides examples of: ===}}
* [[Accidental Murder]]: Poor {{spoiler|Schala}}.
* [[Action Girl]]: Ayla, again. This time with bigger, badder techs!
* [[And Now for Someone Completely Different]]
* [[Artifact of Doom]]: The Frozen Flame, obviously. Lots, and lots, and [[Overly Long Gag|looooots]] of [[Doomy Dooms of Doom|DOOM]].
* [[Author Tract]]: '''KING ALPHARD ZEAL, [[This Is for Emphasis, Bitch|BITCHES]]!!!'''
* [[Back Fromfrom the Dead]]: Schala is revived at the very beginning. {{spoiler|At the end, Magus catches King Zeal as he falls out of [[The Nothing After Death|the Darkness Beyond Time]] after the [[Final Boss]] Battle and heals/revives him.}}
* [[Bad Future]]: Happens multiple times, as time travelers keep screwing with the timeline.
* [[Badass]]: Again, Glenn and Magus. King Zeal also counts, considering that, unlike the rest of his family, {{spoiler|he's able to control Lavos}}.
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* [[Badass Normal]]: Sometimes it seems like Agent 12 is getting more done than the player's party.
* [[Big Bad]]: Unlike its prequel and sequel, it's not Lavos, but rather King Zeal. Unlike the rest of his family, {{spoiler|he's even able to control Lavos}}.
* [[Breather Episode]]: The party in prehistory, which comes after {{spoiler|the restoration of the original timeline after its swapping with the Reptite one.}} However, another [[Wham! Episode]] follows...
* [[Butt Monkey]]: Dalton.
* [[But Thou Must!]]: Most of the time the player is offered a choice of what to do, the end result is the same regardless of what he picks. When asked to save Ayla or attack the [[Big Bad]], the hero will actually refuse one of the choices and pick the other anyway.
** Subverted in the Mystic-Porre conflict in the Middle Ages -- whichever of the three options Glenn chooses (support the Mystics, support the Porreans, or remain neutral) will have a direct and obvious affect on the game's future.
** There's also a particular case in a side quest: you have a choice to refuse doing something, but soon after you'll be forced to do something else to achieve the same goal.
* [[Catch Phrase]]: If you watch the [[YouTube]] videos, whenever something shows up incomplete or erroneous, one of the developers will usually have a note pop up: "''Uh... 2%!''"
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* [[Deadpan Snarker]]: In game, many characters, most notably Crono, Lucca, and Magus. In real life, most of the editing team, to the point where it seems like they're almost [[Mystery Science Theater 3000|MST3King]] FW's playthrough of the beta.
* [[Designated Monkey]]: Marle.
* [[Desperately Looking for Aa Purpose In Life]]: {{spoiler|Kasmir's reason for helping Zeal in the Darkness Beyond Time.}}
{{quote| {{spoiler|'''Kasmir''': ''I have no place in time anymore. This feels productive.''}}}}
* [[Developer Room]]: The ''Crimson Echoes'' staff from the [http://www.chronocompendium.com/ Chrono Compendium] have their own special room, and make individual cameos throughout the game.
* [[The Dragon]]: Dalton, again. {{spoiler|Later, Kasmir.}}
** [[Dragon Withwith an Agenda]]: Dalton.
* [[Fan Sequel]]: Takes place after ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'', but before ''[[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Chrono Cross]]''.
* [[Foil]]: The Xamoltan, a trio of Reptite time-travelers from an alternate timeline, serve as foils to Crono and friends. {{spoiler|Especially their desire to only go back in time to observe, study, chronicle, and learn, while Crono's party does so specifically to meddle and attempt to "improve" the future of the timeline.}}
* [[Flanderization]]: Possibly with Magus, whose {{spoiler|only purpose in life and in breathing is to find Schala, and even when she's found he won't stop obsessing over her.}} [[Subverted Trope|Subverted]] with Ayla, as she actually developed a personality.
** Some people may find Magus's {{spoiler|obsession over Schala to have [[Brother -Sister Incest|incestuousovertones]]}}.
* [[Foregone Conclusion]]: If you've played ''[[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Chrono Cross]]'', you may already be aware of a lot of the plot twists that will eventually come around, such as {{spoiler|Guardia's fall or the existence of the Reptite Timeline.}} The fact that the game manages to bring these events about, and '''''not''''' come off as a rehash, is part of its appeal.
* [[Generation Xerox]]: Toma. In ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'', there were only two identified Toma characters and they shared the same sprite. But in ''Crimson Echoes'', there are more Tomas in other eras, and it seems evident that every adult Toma seen in any time period looks exactly the same.
* [[God Save Us From the Queen|God Save Us From The King]]: For fuck's sake, Alphard!<ref>For those who don't get it, that's King Zeal's name.</ref>
** {{spoiler|Marle's Flame Trial shows her future as a terrible monarch obsessed with blaming Porre for her father's death <ref><s>(when the real murderer was King Zeal)</s> Belthasar mentions that His Grace was gonna be dead soon anyway, and in her grief Marle could have convinced herself that Porre somehow killed him.</ref> and letting Guardia slip into ruin in the meanwhile. The game is deliberately vague as to whether this is an accurate prediction of Marle's future, or just a [[Mind Screw]] by the Frozen Flame.}}
*** But, in any case, it probably drove {{spoiler|Marle to relinquish Guardia's throne without protesting much. She may have thought that, if it was really her future, she was still in time to change it and avoid even worse suffering to her people}}.
* [[Good Morning, Crono]]: What's a ''Chrono'' game without this Trope?
* [[Gray and Gray Morality]]: The second half of the game is ''drowning'' in it. There is a distinct vibe of "nobody is right here, even if we think we're trying to do the right thing". King Zeal [[What the Hell, Hero?|calls the PCs on it]] shortly before the final battles in a long-winded [[Author Tract]], and even the creators admit some of them [[Sympathetic POV|would have sided with Zeal over Crono and the gang]].
** [[Black and Gray Morality|Aaaaand then there's]] ''[[Complete Monster|Dalton]]''...
* [[Heroic Mime]]: Averted, as (unlike in ''[[Chrono Trigger (Video Game)|Chrono Trigger]]'') the hero Crono does speak in this game. Quite a lot.
* [[Hot Mom]] / [[Action Mom]]: {{spoiler|Ayla.}}
* [[I Need a Freaking Drink]]: Once {{spoiler|Toma}} comes to Chronopolis and goes all [[What Does This Button Do?]] on everything, most of the staff becomes nowhere to be seen, citing "sudden headaches".
* [[Keep Circulating the Tapes]]: The fate of the unauthorized alpha leak, which has been passed around various torrent sites and underground internet communities since news of the leak first broke. The creators of ''Crimson Echoes'' have come out heavily against it.<ref>And for good reason, too, since the leaks could potentially bring down on them all the legal trouble they were trying to avoid by complying with the C&D.</ref> Despite this, the game keeps leaking and getting press coverage with each leak... yet, oddly, no lawsuits from the supposedly protective Squeenix.
** A modder, Giro, is attempting the ''Flames Of Eternity'' project, which is an attempt to remake ''Crimson Echoes'' with a different ending, no [[Multiple Endings]], and without all the references to [[Naruto]], [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Gurren Lagann]] and [[Bleach]], added due to the bits of ZeaLitY's beliefs that they inspired, but replacing other things with references to ''Final Fantasy'' instead, and borrowing music from ''Final Fantasy'' and The Black Mages. Status updates can be found at http://metronomeproject.blogspot.com/.
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* [[Mr. Exposition]]: Belthasar and Mother Brain/FATE.
* [[My Name Is Not Durwood]]
{{quote| '''Glenn:''' ''Don't call me that! My name is Glenn!''}}
* [[The Nothing After Death]]: The Darkness Beyond Time. Even a Chrono Trigger cannot resurrect those sent there.
{{quote| '''King Zeal''': ''To the Darkness Beyond Time. [[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Forever Zero]], Eternally Null. Entire possibilities, subsumed into a temporal Netherworld.''}}
* [[Parental Abandonment]]: Crono's father is killed in the [[Fanon]] backstory. Schala and Janus' father was taken by Belthasar, who also [[Faking the Dead|faked the death of the latter as he remembered it]] in order to prevent undesirable changes in the timeline.
* [[Peninsula of Power Leveling]]: The first area of Huacan Factory with the Acids and Alkalines. Nerfed quite a bit in the 98% beta, but left intact in the alpha and subsequent rebuilds.
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* [[Random Encounter]]: In [[Sdrawkcab Name|Modnar]] [[Meaningful Name|Forest]] only.
** If you pay attention, you'll notice they aren't really random but triggered by a timer - in fact, you can even stand still after one of these fights and you'll get into another one after a little while. Still, one of the many impressive feats of additional coding in the game.
* [[Ret -Gone]]: At one point, {{spoiler|all of humanity is driven extinct by the emergence of a new parallel timeline}}.
* [[Ripple -Effect -Proof Memory]]: A consequence of Time Traveller Immunity.
* [[San Dimas Time]]: [[Hand Wave|Hand Waved]] by stating that the stationary Time Gates travel forward through time at the speed of the normal passage of time. And if someone goes back in time to a year that the Gates don't "currently" exist in (even if they existed there when the characters were five years younger), Gates cannot be found. This has the effect of ensuring that events in all Gate-connected timelines are happening at a concurrent speed from and equal interval to one another, so that time actually elapses while time travelers are away for the same duration as other people wait for them. This form of [[San Dimas Time]] is only averted using a Time Egg (one was originally used to save Crono in ''Chrono Trigger''). Lucca and Belthasar can make imperfect semi-stable Time Eggs, but only Gaspar can make perfectly stable ones.
* [[Urban Legend of Zelda|Schala Lives]]: Schala is saved early in the game, seeming to derail the events of ''[[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Chrono Cross]]''. {{spoiler|But derailment is averted. She is later mortally wounded, and sent to the Darkness Beyond Time. In the ending, Magus sees her attached to an apparition of Lavos, but can't remain there long enough to save her. He then saves King Zeal so that he can learn the remaining Zealian arts that he never got to learn because of the (original!) Ocean Palace incident, ending with learning how to open a Gate so that he can go to th Darkness Beyond Time and save Schala. Once he does, [[Updated Rerelease|he then meets]] '''[[Updated Rerelease|a]]''' [[Updated Rerelease|past version of the party from around the time Lavos was defeated, which then]] [[Take Up My Sword|fights the Dream Devourer in his place]] [[Updated Rerelease|before everyone is sent away and he wipes his own memory]].}}
* [[Screwed Byby the Lawyers]]: There's controversy as to whether or not the cease-and-desist was a publicity stunt.
* [[Shout -Out]]: Early in the game, a woman in Medina Square sings the opening lyrics from [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKc6a0dPSPM "And Forever"], the ending music of the anime ''[[The Big O (Anime)|The Big O]]''. She later belts out (in Japanese) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8jTH7ZDoSo "Kaze wa Mirari ni Fuku"], the ending theme to ''[[Trigun]]''.
** {{spoiler|In his last moments,}} Dalton says one of [[Bleach|Grimmjow]]'s greatest lines.
** The chapters regarding {{spoiler|the Reptite Timeline, where Lavos was eradicated in Prehistory and [[And Man Grew Proud|humanity never rose to power with magic or technology]], thus resulting in a [[Incredibly Lame Pun|Dinotopian]] civilization centered around reverence of the power of Nature}} are appropriately entitled "[[War CraftWarcraft|An Emerald Dream]]".
* [[Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome|Sudden Interquel Death Syndrome]]: {{spoiler|Kino.}}
** Averted in ''Flames Of Eternity'', probably because killing {{spoiler|him}} off was rather pointless. In return, {{spoiler|he and Ayla}} get an extra kid who {{spoiler|invents the game of Backgammon}}.
* [[Technicolor Science]]: The Vision Serpent, for one.
* [[Took a Level Inin Badass]]: The Mystic Knights. After a game off having their butts kicked by the heroes, Ozzie, Slash, and Flea pull themselves together and kick a lot of butt in their reappearance.
* [[Unlucky Childhood Friend]]: Lucca, shown during the Flame Trial.
* [[Villain Forgot to Level Grind]]: But he was so strong he didn't really need to. King Zeal is fought three times through the game -- a [[Hopeless Boss Fight]] at the beginning, a [[Bonus Boss]] [[The Battle Didn't Count|that doesn't count plotwise]] later, and {{spoiler|phase one of the final battle}} with the same stats each time. {{spoiler|Of course, he gets a [[One -Winged Angel]] form, too.}}
* [[Well -Intentioned Extremist]]: Belthasar. {{spoiler|From the point at which the party (plus Schala, minus Ayla) is finally fully collected to Chronopolis, you see the building of the insane [[Gambit Pileup]] that is ''[[Chrono Cross (Video Game)|Chrono Cross]]'' with his relentless desire to "fix" everything that goes wrong in the timeline, regardless of the consequences. This is [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] both by Melchior in his everyday conversation -- "Keep an eye on him, he's stressed" -- and later when the group meets Gaspar.}} A case could also be made for King Zeal.
** In a way, the player party qualifies as well. {{spoiler|Unlike their Reptite Timeline counterparts the Xamoltan, who limit themselves to using time travel for learning and observation, Crono's group specifically uses it to change the past, [[Unfortunate Implications|inadvertently dooming every alternate timeline they create and then unmake to the]] [[The Nothing After Death|Darkness Beyond Time]].}}
* [[Wham! Episode]]: {{spoiler|The Fall of Guardia and the Reptite Timeline.}}
* [[What Measure Is an Index?|What Measure Is Another Timeline]]: The disregard [[Gray and Grey Morality|practically everyone]] has for alternate timelines that are not their own. This is eventually addressed as a serious ethical question.
* [[What the Hell, Hero?]]: Your characters get called out quite a few times, whether it be {{spoiler|your [[Foil]] asking how you can destroy a timeline and the countless people that would not be born because of it}} or {{spoiler|Glenn yelling at Crono for murdering two random (innocent!) Reptites in a fit of rage after finding Marle's corpse.}}
* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]]: King Zeal and Marle.
* [[Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe]]: Averted. Glenn no longer speaks in old-esque English, and his dialogue is closer to his style in the original Japanese ''Trigger''.
** Completely played straight in ''Flames of Eternity'', however.
 
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