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== Death Notes in other fiction ==
== Death Notes in other fiction ==
* What would happen if you wrote "Dick Cheney"? He wouldn't be able to die of a heart attack (as his blood flow will literally never stop unintentionally due to him having a non-stop pump, not a heart), but that's the default. This also applys to other human beings with that kind of artifical blood flow, as well as people with fully robotic bodies in [[Ghost in The Shell]].
* What would happen if you wrote "Dick Cheney"? He wouldn't be able to die of a heart attack (as his blood flow will literally never stop unintentionally due to him having a non-stop pump, not a heart), but that's the default. This also applys to other human beings with that kind of artifical blood flow, as well as people with fully robotic bodies in [[Ghost in the Shell]].
** If you're out to kill Motoko Kusanagi, you're in for a tough one before you even take in account the android body, because it's not her birth name and there's no guaranty shinigami's eyes would work on her robot face. Now, with Dick, you can go around the limitation of him not having a biological heart by killing through any number of way that don't involve cardiac arrest. As for what exactly would the Death note do without a specified way of death...
** If you're out to kill Motoko Kusanagi, you're in for a tough one before you even take in account the android body, because it's not her birth name and there's no guaranty shinigami's eyes would work on her robot face. Now, with Dick, you can go around the limitation of him not having a biological heart by killing through any number of way that don't involve cardiac arrest. As for what exactly would the Death note do without a specified way of death...
** Then [[wikipedia:Heart (band)|Ann and]] [[Just for Pun|Nancy Wilson]] will beat him to death.
** Then [[wikipedia:Heart (band)|Ann and]] [[Just for Pun|Nancy Wilson]] will beat him to death.
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* What would happen if used someone's common name in the Death Note in Eragon? Would the true name be needed? If so, what if it changed?
* What would happen if used someone's common name in the Death Note in Eragon? Would the true name be needed? If so, what if it changed?
** If Paolini can't be bothered to keep a consistent magic system, the hypothetical crossover writer certainly need not feel constrained. The common name is the way to go. (Eh, on second thought, at least they ARE consistent about the truenaming thing. Sure - you need to write the true name, and if the true name changes between the writing and the time of death, you'll need to find it out all over again. Also, elves all have the Shinigami Eyes.)
** If Paolini can't be bothered to keep a consistent magic system, the hypothetical crossover writer certainly need not feel constrained. The common name is the way to go. (Eh, on second thought, at least they ARE consistent about the truenaming thing. Sure - you need to write the true name, and if the true name changes between the writing and the time of death, you'll need to find it out all over again. Also, elves all have the Shinigami Eyes.)
* What would happen if a Death Note was used on [[Bleach (Manga)|Ichigo Kurosaki]]?
* What would happen if a Death Note was used on [[Bleach|Ichigo Kurosaki]]?
** Good question, especially since ''Death Note'' shinigami are more like Hollows than ''Bleach'' shinigami. I believe it would have no effect as Ichigo is technically already dead.
** Good question, especially since ''Death Note'' shinigami are more like Hollows than ''Bleach'' shinigami. I believe it would have no effect as Ichigo is technically already dead.
* Would the Death Note consider Klingons humans since they're part of the same species? What about the other animals that were in the genus: homo?
* Would the Death Note consider Klingons humans since they're part of the same species? What about the other animals that were in the genus: homo?
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*** However, since magic in Discworld is a ''wild'' thing there is also the possibility that a Death Note is still working, but more by magic than by ''death''.
*** However, since magic in Discworld is a ''wild'' thing there is also the possibility that a Death Note is still working, but more by magic than by ''death''.
*** Finally, ''Auditors'' can evaluate the Shinigami to be the laziest and most messy Death Gods they had never met and to fire them all. Cmp. "Reaper man", where Death was fired for ''simple interest'' in human beings.
*** Finally, ''Auditors'' can evaluate the Shinigami to be the laziest and most messy Death Gods they had never met and to fire them all. Cmp. "Reaper man", where Death was fired for ''simple interest'' in human beings.
** Ok, how about this: The Shinigami are not the personifications of death. They are trans-dimensional parasites, much like the [[Discworld (Literature)/Lords and Ladies|elves]]. Their parasite universe attatches itself to other worlds allowing the Shinigami to steal human lifespans. Now, when someone writes a name in a Death Note on the [[Discworld]], it results in sand disappearing from [[Death's Hourglass]]. It's possible that {{smallcaps| Death}} can fix it, but he probably either thinks it's against the rules or it's a lot of effort, even for him.
** Ok, how about this: The Shinigami are not the personifications of death. They are trans-dimensional parasites, much like the [[Discworld/Lords and Ladies|elves]]. Their parasite universe attatches itself to other worlds allowing the Shinigami to steal human lifespans. Now, when someone writes a name in a Death Note on the [[Discworld]], it results in sand disappearing from [[Death's Hourglass]]. It's possible that {{smallcaps| Death}} can fix it, but he probably either thinks it's against the rules or it's a lot of effort, even for him.
* Can a person killed with a Death Note become a zombie?
* Can a person killed with a Death Note become a zombie?
** Related question- considering (crossing over with WMG) Death Note owners may already be in [[The Virus|the early stages]] [[Dead All Along|of converting into Shinigami...]] then might they have an immunity to zombie-ism and other forms of [[The Virus]]?
** Related question- considering (crossing over with WMG) Death Note owners may already be in [[The Virus|the early stages]] [[Dead All Along|of converting into Shinigami...]] then might they have an immunity to zombie-ism and other forms of [[The Virus]]?
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** On a related note, suppose somebody who owned a death note was brought before {{spoiler|Charles zi Britannia}} to have their memories erased, but relinquished ownership of the death note right before losing their memory. If they later touched the same death note, what would happen?
** On a related note, suppose somebody who owned a death note was brought before {{spoiler|Charles zi Britannia}} to have their memories erased, but relinquished ownership of the death note right before losing their memory. If they later touched the same death note, what would happen?
** They would regain the memories related to the Death Note, but not any unrelated memories.
** They would regain the memories related to the Death Note, but not any unrelated memories.
* Can you kill [[Heroes (TV)|Claire Bennet]] with a Death Note?
* Can you kill [[Heroes (TV series)|Claire Bennet]] with a Death Note?
** Possibly, though she'd get over it, as her body's healed itself countless times post-mortem. Out of curiosity, would her real name be Claire Gordon, as she was a few years old before the Bennetts got hold of her, and Nathan had nothing whatsoever to do with her until she was a teenager?
** Possibly, though she'd get over it, as her body's healed itself countless times post-mortem. Out of curiosity, would her real name be Claire Gordon, as she was a few years old before the Bennetts got hold of her, and Nathan had nothing whatsoever to do with her until she was a teenager?
*** Good question. It might still be Bennet on the grounds that that has been her name for almost her entire life and was probably the first name she ever had.
*** Good question. It might still be Bennet on the grounds that that has been her name for almost her entire life and was probably the first name she ever had.
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** They have two hearts, so they would probably both seize up and force a regeneration.
** They have two hearts, so they would probably both seize up and force a regeneration.
** Time Lords aren't human. Thus, no effect.
** Time Lords aren't human. Thus, no effect.
* [[Torchwood (TV)|Captain Jack Harkness.]] If someone made the eye trade and looked at him, what would they see for his lifespan?
* [[Torchwood|Captain Jack Harkness.]] If someone made the eye trade and looked at him, what would they see for his lifespan?
** Let's not forget he was born in the 51st century, as well...
** Let's not forget he was born in the 51st century, as well...
** It would probably display how much time he has before his next death.
** It would probably display how much time he has before his next death.
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** We're talking about Chuck Norris' heart. It'd probably just roundhouse kick the heart attack right back at the Death Note user. (Don't ask how a human organ can kick something with no corporal form, I just know whatever Chuck Norris thinks is logical becomes logic itself, so don't question it!) In that cause, the Death Note user would die both from the rebounding heart attack AND roundhouse kick to the face.
** We're talking about Chuck Norris' heart. It'd probably just roundhouse kick the heart attack right back at the Death Note user. (Don't ask how a human organ can kick something with no corporal form, I just know whatever Chuck Norris thinks is logical becomes logic itself, so don't question it!) In that cause, the Death Note user would die both from the rebounding heart attack AND roundhouse kick to the face.
** If you wrote Chuck Norris' name into the Death Note, he'd die of a heart attack because he's a normal human being and Chuck Norris facts are just very old attempts at being funny.
** If you wrote Chuck Norris' name into the Death Note, he'd die of a heart attack because he's a normal human being and Chuck Norris facts are just very old attempts at being funny.
* What would happen if you tried to use a Death Note to kill [[Pokémon (Anime)|Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny]]?
* What would happen if you tried to use a Death Note to kill [[Pokémon (anime)|Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny]]?
** Unless you're personally able to tell them apart from each other the Death note would fail.
** Unless you're personally able to tell them apart from each other the Death note would fail.
*** Well the Nurse Joy on the Orange Islands (I think it was the Orange Islands) was a bit more tanned and bulked than the other Nurse Joys, so you could kill her.
*** Well the Nurse Joy on the Orange Islands (I think it was the Orange Islands) was a bit more tanned and bulked than the other Nurse Joys, so you could kill her.
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** Anything written in the Death Note beforehand would still take affect, but the Death Note itself would be turned into a regular notebook. Furthermore, events normally triggered by loss of Death Note ownership would not trigger. In order to cancel anything written beforehand it would be neccesary to use the anti-magic ability on the target.
** Anything written in the Death Note beforehand would still take affect, but the Death Note itself would be turned into a regular notebook. Furthermore, events normally triggered by loss of Death Note ownership would not trigger. In order to cancel anything written beforehand it would be neccesary to use the anti-magic ability on the target.
** What if someone tried to write Touma or Asuna's name in it? I'd assume they just be immune to it.
** What if someone tried to write Touma or Asuna's name in it? I'd assume they just be immune to it.
* Anything with time travel, since it doesn't appear to exist in the [[Death Note (Manga)|Death Note]] universe. Or ships that move at relativistic speeds. Or black holes. If the person whose name is written in a death note goes back in time, that would presumably extend the time, from their point of view, before the death note gets them (unless, and this is a distinct possibility as this troper remembers something on the subject of whether people still die after the death note in which their name is written is destroyed, whether the death note kills them or they had a sort of "death token" or their soul was told to die at the specified time) but not any details). If the "death token" possibility is accurate, does it go by universal time, or personal time (say, a person in 2004 is written to die in 2005. They go to 2001. Do they die in 2005 or 2002?) If the death note goes back in time, do dates written in the future still apply, or dies the 23-day rule move with the death note? (for example, on March 1, 2005, their name is written for March 21, 2005. If the writer goes back to February 10, 2005, are they no longer within the 23-day time limit?) If a person and a death note are moving at different near-light speeds (name drops ''definitely'' unintended), do they die based on the death note's time, universal time, or their own time? (A person in 3008 is written to die three days later universal time. Three days later, universal time, the person has only experienced two days, and the death note has only experienced one hour. Does he die then, does he die one of his days later, or does he die 71 of the death note's hours later? It gets even more complicated if they are moving at those speeds when the name is written. And does the lifespan/time of death thing above the person's head change to reflect this, or is it built in, or does it show the lifespan [if it is lifespan and not time of death] based on the perception of the person viewing it? Do shinigami even succumb to relativistic speeds, or do they always view time at the same rate?) A black hole is just the stuff that goes with the relativity issues, but with the added detail that the death note will exist slower and slower until it is destroyed, or just keep existing more and more slowly forever.
* Anything with time travel, since it doesn't appear to exist in the [[Death Note]] universe. Or ships that move at relativistic speeds. Or black holes. If the person whose name is written in a death note goes back in time, that would presumably extend the time, from their point of view, before the death note gets them (unless, and this is a distinct possibility as this troper remembers something on the subject of whether people still die after the death note in which their name is written is destroyed, whether the death note kills them or they had a sort of "death token" or their soul was told to die at the specified time) but not any details). If the "death token" possibility is accurate, does it go by universal time, or personal time (say, a person in 2004 is written to die in 2005. They go to 2001. Do they die in 2005 or 2002?) If the death note goes back in time, do dates written in the future still apply, or dies the 23-day rule move with the death note? (for example, on March 1, 2005, their name is written for March 21, 2005. If the writer goes back to February 10, 2005, are they no longer within the 23-day time limit?) If a person and a death note are moving at different near-light speeds (name drops ''definitely'' unintended), do they die based on the death note's time, universal time, or their own time? (A person in 3008 is written to die three days later universal time. Three days later, universal time, the person has only experienced two days, and the death note has only experienced one hour. Does he die then, does he die one of his days later, or does he die 71 of the death note's hours later? It gets even more complicated if they are moving at those speeds when the name is written. And does the lifespan/time of death thing above the person's head change to reflect this, or is it built in, or does it show the lifespan [if it is lifespan and not time of death] based on the perception of the person viewing it? Do shinigami even succumb to relativistic speeds, or do they always view time at the same rate?) A black hole is just the stuff that goes with the relativity issues, but with the added detail that the death note will exist slower and slower until it is destroyed, or just keep existing more and more slowly forever.
** Death Notes are based on extra-dimensional magic. For the sake of sanity I'll say that the time scale of the Shinigami home dimension is used as a basis for time calculations.
** Death Notes are based on extra-dimensional magic. For the sake of sanity I'll say that the time scale of the Shinigami home dimension is used as a basis for time calculations.
* [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny]]: BATMAN VS LIGHT? Who would win?
* [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny]]: BATMAN VS LIGHT? Who would win?
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* If one were to kill [[Watchmen|Rorschach]] with a Death Note, how would do it? Given that he sees his superhero persona as his real self, would one enter Walter Kovacs in the notebook, or Rorschach? Also, he considers his mask his face. If one only new the superhero name and only saw the mask, would that count as both a name and a face?
* If one were to kill [[Watchmen|Rorschach]] with a Death Note, how would do it? Given that he sees his superhero persona as his real self, would one enter Walter Kovacs in the notebook, or Rorschach? Also, he considers his mask his face. If one only new the superhero name and only saw the mask, would that count as both a name and a face?
** No, I am pretty sure you need his birth name and his flesh and blood face. Walter Kovacs was not always Rorschach; he spent several years past the age he could be killed before he began considering himself such. Presumably, during this time the name needed to kill him is Walter Kovacs. I doubt the name you need to kill a person can change mid-way through their life, even if they take up another name which they consider to be their true name for some reason (superheroes like Rorschach and Batman who think of themselves as their alter-egos, people who have amnesia and take up a new identity, or transexuals who pick a name from the opposite gender, for instance). As somebody said above "one body, one name. Write that down and they die no matter what wires are crossed in their brain." That name can't be Rorschach, because he was not always Rorschach; therefore it must be Walter Kovacs. As for the face, well, if you can't change your name, what hope do you have of sticking something in front of your birth face and making it count?
** No, I am pretty sure you need his birth name and his flesh and blood face. Walter Kovacs was not always Rorschach; he spent several years past the age he could be killed before he began considering himself such. Presumably, during this time the name needed to kill him is Walter Kovacs. I doubt the name you need to kill a person can change mid-way through their life, even if they take up another name which they consider to be their true name for some reason (superheroes like Rorschach and Batman who think of themselves as their alter-egos, people who have amnesia and take up a new identity, or transexuals who pick a name from the opposite gender, for instance). As somebody said above "one body, one name. Write that down and they die no matter what wires are crossed in their brain." That name can't be Rorschach, because he was not always Rorschach; therefore it must be Walter Kovacs. As for the face, well, if you can't change your name, what hope do you have of sticking something in front of your birth face and making it count?
* If a ''[[Bleach (Manga)|Bleach]]'' shinigami was in a gigai or someone else's body, and made the eye deal with a shinigami, would they still be able to use the shinigami eyes as a spirit?
* If a ''[[Bleach]]'' shinigami was in a gigai or someone else's body, and made the eye deal with a shinigami, would they still be able to use the shinigami eyes as a spirit?
** That depends; if they're able to transfer their other spiritual powers into different forms, presumably they could also transfer the eyes.
** That depends; if they're able to transfer their other spiritual powers into different forms, presumably they could also transfer the eyes.
* If shinigami eyes were used on a clan leader in ''[[Warrior Cats (Literature)|Warrior Cats]]'', would it show how long until they next died, or how long until they died for good?
* If shinigami eyes were used on a clan leader in ''[[Warrior Cats]]'', would it show how long until they next died, or how long until they died for good?
* What would happen if a death note was used on [[The Crow|Eric Draven]]?
* What would happen if a death note was used on [[The Crow|Eric Draven]]?
* This may have been answered in a different way already, but what would happen to a [[Doctor Who|Cybus Cyberman]] under the 40-second heart attack rule when they don't have hearts?
* This may have been answered in a different way already, but what would happen to a [[Doctor Who|Cybus Cyberman]] under the 40-second heart attack rule when they don't have hearts?
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