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== Anime and Manga ==

*** Except for Yukari. She was just being a harmless prankstress who managed to be more annoying than dangerous.

**** It would probably be more accurate to say that they became friends because Tsukune always forgave them for everything.

** Not ALL of Josuke's friends tried to kill him, just the vast majority. The minority being Koichi. Just Koichi.

** And Mikitaka, but he may or may not be all there.

** Now Naruto's even gone so far as to have this trope happen with {{spoiler|not only the [[Eldritch Abomination|Nine-Tailed Fox]], but [[Eldritch Abomination|all nine Tailed Beasts]]! Well, except for the Eight-Tailed Ox-Ogre, who he befriended without a fight}}.

* It would take less time to list the antagonists in ''[[Beyblade (Anime)|Beyblade]]'' that didn't do this than take the time to list those that did. Suffice it to say, by the final arc, there were 30-some good guys.

** In Ryoga and Mousse's cases, battling common foes and saving each other's lives have made them [[True Companions]], however. But not friends.

* And, of course, a key plot point in ''[[Super Dimension Fortress Macross (Anime)|Super Dimension Fortress Macross]]'' / ''[[Robotech (Anime)|Robotech]]'' for the elite female Zentraedi warrior Miriya, who ends up marrying Max. The broadcast of their wedding then gives Breetai, the enemy commander, much food for thought...

* Happens several times in ''[[Shaman King (Manga)|Shaman King]]''. Ren, Ryu, Faust and Lyserg all attempt to kill Yoh and/or Manta before joining Yoh's posse, often executing bizarre [[Heel Face Turn|Heel Face Turns]].

** Not really, as after defeating them, or not quite defeating them, Yoh has gone to great lengths, (or in one case Anna didn't go to great lengths, just lengths) to help them find what they sought. In two cases, this won Eternal undying loyalty. And Lyserg took ages to figure it out anyway.

** Er, not to mention that Gokudera was about to die from setting off his own dynamite, and Tsuna saved his life?

** After being defeated by defeated {{spoiler|Gokudera, Gamma seems to be going this way}}

* In the ''[[Dai no Dai Bouken (Manga)|Dragon Quest]]'' manga, Dai earns several allies after beating them in one on one combat.

* Hayato from ''[[Future GPX Cyber Formula (Anime)|Future GPX Cyber Formula]]'' makes friends with Kaga, Osamu, Shinjyo, Johji and others after a few or more races with them, although he made friends with Kaga and Johji ''before'' the race started.

* Not only used multiple times, but practically trumpeted as an ideal in martial arts in ''[[Sumomo Mo Momo Mo (Anime)|Sumomo Mo Momo Mo]]''. Momoko even has a flashback where her father tells her that such clashes, and chats over drinks afterwards, result in the best friendships (and the best-tasting drinks). It's shown via quick flashbacks that the [[Arranged Marriage]] that drives the plot came about after Momoko's and Koushi's fathers played this trope straight.

* ''[[Medaka Box (Manga)|Medaka Box]]'' ,being a [[Deconstructor Fleet]] of Shounen tropes, plays with this one too. Medaka actually ''can't'' befriend people without somehow defeating and "fixing" them first. As Ajimu points out, Medaka values her enemies more than her allies. In chapter 118, {{spoiler|Medaka deliberately provokes Zenkichi further after Ajimu convinced him to fight against Medaka by beating the crap out of him and mocking him afterwards. Medaka tells Kikaijima that she hopes Zenkichi will become a [[Worthy Opponent]] that she can defeat and "befriend", and mentions that she should have set him up to be her enemy from the very beginning.}}

** ''[[Disgaea 2]]'' has Yukimaru, who joins you after Adell beats her in the tournament and talks her down from probably-very-honorable-but-not-really-wished-for suicide.

** ''[[Soul Nomad and The World Eaters (Video Game)|Soul Nomad and The World Eaters]]'' has Odie as a main story example, and {{spoiler|[[Disgaea|Asagi]] and [[Grim Grimoire|Lujei]]}} as [[Bonus Boss]] examples. {{spoiler|The Demon Path is full of this, but it's more a case of 'defeat equals slavery' there -- except for the previous villains, who line up to join you with a smile on their faces.}}

* ''[[Knights of the Old Republic (Video Game)|Knights of the Old Republic]]'' has you, in one of your early missions as a Jedi, track down and defeat the fallen Jedi apprentice Juhani. After you duel her, you can talk her back to the Jedi path with relative ease. Or kill her, if you're Dark Side-inclined, but that's more than a bit of a waste.

* ''[[Bully (Video Game)|Bully]]'': After Jimmy beats up all of the nerds, he says that he did it so they could team up to take over the jocks. Earnest, the leader of the nerds even says "You have a strange way of making friends!"

** Don't forget {{spoiler|Kratos}}. After defeating him three times, the third being a [[This Is Something He's Got to Do Himself|one-on-one duel]] between Lloyd and the aforementioned character. Depending on [[Guide Dang It|certain conditions filled earlier in the game]] the aforementioned character may join your party.

** The sequel, ''Dawn of the New World'', gives you the option (almost requirement) of recruiting monsters after defeating them in battle.

** Also with {{spoiler|Raven}}, only the eventual defeat didn't so much cause the friendship as affirm it.

* ''[[Magic Knight Rayearth (Anime)|Magic Knight Rayearth]]'': In the SNES RPG, similarly as in the animé, every major antagonist will have a change of heart and join your party, and then leave right before you fight the next major antagonist. Well, except for Caldina, who lets you hire her for 3000 gold if you want her to tag along, and doesn't tag along if you don't hire her. But Fenrio, Ascot, and Lafarga all join your party temporarily, after they are taught the meaning of friendship, or in some cases, de-brainwashed.

* ''[[Marvel Ultimate Alliance (Video Game)|Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2]]'': [[Deadpool]] does this after you prove you're not aiding the terrorist attack in his debut level. In the penultimate level you fight [[Norman Osborn|Green Goblin]] and [[Venom (Comic Book)|Venom]], and when you defeat them to free them from {{spoiler|The Fold}} they go into an [[Enemy Mine]] with you, so it sort of counts, though both are very agitated working alongside their archnemesis [[Spider-Man]].

* In ''[[Rosenkreuzstilette]]'', Spiritia has to fight her friends to get them to listen to her, which is no easy task given they are all [[Magical Girl|magical girls]]. And then there's {{spoiler|Grolla trying to convince them that an "unassuming" child is behind all the madness.}}

* This occurs once in ''[[Valkyrie Profile]]''. Throughout the game, you witness the deaths of heroes, and recruit their souls for Ragnarok. At one point, the Valkyrie is commanded by the goddess Freya to kill a wizard named Gandar and take his soul. After he's dead, he refuses to join up with Valkyrie. She gives him the ultimatum of joining her or being sent to Hell. He grudgingly accepts.

* In ''[[Paper Mario (Video Game)|Paper Mario]]'', <s>Lakilester</s> Spike fights Mario on Huff N. Puff's orders. After Mario beats him, he joins his party.

* ''[[Jonny Quest (Animation)|Jonny Quest]]'' TOS episode "Calcutta Adventure". When Jonny and Hadji first meet, Jonny thinks Hadji is threatening Dr. Quest (he actually just saved Dr. Quest's life). Jonny attacks Hadji, but Hadji uses a judo move to throw Jonny away and Jonny lands in a heap. After the misunderstanding is explained, Jonny praises Hadji's judo skill and they become friends.

* Happens to Lightning McQueen and Francesco Bernoulli at the end of ''[[Cars 2]]''.

** Discord actually manages to [[Subverted Trope]] this. He is defeated the same way, but the Elements deem him to be undeserving (or incapable) of redemption and instead [[Taken for Granite|stick him right back]] in the [[Fate Worse Than Death]] he crawled out of. Before the attack, Discord even goes so far as to dare them to "Friend me".

*** [[Word of God]] states this is because Nightmare Moon was under the [[More Than Mind Control|influence]] of [[The Corruption]], while Discord, by contrast, is himself [[Reality Warper|a corrupting force]], not to mention a [[Nietzsche Wannabe]].

* In an episode of ''[[The Simpsons (Animation)|The Simpsons]]'', [[Violent Glaswegian|Groundskeeper Willie]] defends the school from a [[Big Badass Wolf|wolf]], fighting the beast ''[[The Simpsons (Animation)/Awesome|with his bare hands]]''. A later scene shows the two of them battered and bruised and sharing a drink.

* In a ''[[Kung Fu Panda (Animation)|Kung Fu Panda]]: Secret of the Furious Five'', a short feature that explores the backstory of [[Kung Fu Panda]], we learn that Monkey was once a mischievous trickster, and only become good after being defeated by {{spoiler|Oogway}}.