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** Videl. When she wants to do something, she does not give up. Ever. Even when it's clear that she has no chance of accomplishing the task at hand. Her fight with Spopovich at the World Martial Arts Tournament is the best example of this one could give. After it became clear that she wasn't going to win, people kept telling her to give up. It took Spopovich's partner telling him to stop torturing her because they had more important things to be doing to finally end the match by him kicking her out of the ring. After a certain point, he was just torturing her and she wasn't moving on her own anymore, but, given the opportunity to stand up again, she would've surely continued attacking the guy.
** Gloriously subverted with Android 19. He seems like this at first, but...
== ''[[Mazinger Z]]'' ==
* ''[[Mazinger Z]]'': Kouji never gives up. Not even when he is going against several [[Robeast|Kikaiju]] at once. Not even when the [[Robeast]] is completely impervious to his [[Humongous Mecha]]'s attacks. Not even when it has abilities his robot could not match (he faced submarine and flying Kikaiju long before Mazinger got upgraded to be able to fly or swim or got weapons worked under water or in air). Not even when he is buried under rubble. Not even when he gets dumped into a freaking volcano! Not matter the odds, he will think fast, analyze his foe (and its weapons and capabilities), come up with a plan or cheat like crazy.▼
** Geez, not even when he
** The only way you can get him stopping to fight is holding someone hostage. And even then he will try to exploit any edge to release the hostage and giving you a sound trashing.▼
{{quote|'''Tetsuya:''' That's right... It's fine if you tell me... to fight... I'll keep answering with the same answer... MAZIN GO...}}▼
** And during the first season's two-part finale, Grendizer had been beaten by a pair of giant robots, [[Co-Dragons|Duke's nemesis Blacki]] had taken control of the Science and Space Center and was torturing [[The Professor|Dr. Umon]], [[The Lancer|Koji's]] flying saucer was too damaged to help and Grendizer was forced into hiding. Still, Duke did not give up. When he made his comeback, he engaged in a duel with one of the enemy mechs in a crumbling cave, he leapt up, shot lasers to bore his way back to the surface, decapitated the five-headed mech, and then flied straight at Blacki's command ship in a game of chicken. And he won!▼
== ''[[Naruto]]'' ==
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* Zoro. Good God, Zoro. This man has experienced every form of bodily trauma just short of decapitation. You name it: slashed, stabbed, burned, exploded, crushed, bludgeoned, buzz-sawed, took in a pure distillation of pain. He is the poster-child of [[Overdrawn At the Blood Bank]]. At one point, when his leg is trapped during a fight, he decides cutting off his own leg to keep fighting is a perfectly rational thing to do. ''Nothing'' stops this man. He doesn't even have any powers, like Haki or a Devil Fruit. He's just [[Charles Atlas Superpower|that]] [[Made of Iron|tough]].
== ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' ==
== Other series ==▼
*
** And if you do think about the first one to three episodes, even Kamina's massive determination was inspired from his {{spoiler|dead}} father.▼
*** More or less how it was spread: Kamina's father=>Kamina=>Simon=>everyone and anyone else.▼
** All of Kamina's [[Catch Phrase|catchphrases]] are pure Determinator stuff: "Kick the reason to the curb and do the impossible!", "Who the hell do you think I am?", "Don't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you!" The whole anime is about human determination to overcome the obstacles. Every episode, the characters confront a seemingly impossible obstacle, then Kamina/Simon refuse to surrender and somehow overcomes it performing impossible feats it by sheer determination, only to discover a new obstacle that dwarfs the previous one, then they perform and EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLE FEAT, and so on, in a continous excalation. Even the two recurring themes of Spirals and Drills purposedly remind the concepts of ''excalation'' and ''destroy obstacles'', all driven by determination.▼
** Hell, When they talk about the heroes on the Deteminator main page they say "For heroes, "hit the villain until he drops" is a virtue that will be rewarded in a Heroic Second Wind moment, especially if they're the Badass Normal with a Screw Destiny attitude." This describes Kamina's last Battle to a T.{{spoiler|Willing himself back to life with the Heroic Second Wind and owning the Big Bad General who has been unharmed so far with one attack. Not to mention that despite how awesome he is, his spiral power is average, qualifying for Badass Normal. As for the Screw Destiny Part... Do I really have to say it?}}▼
*** He does admit in-series that a great deal of his hot-bloodedness is faith in his allies and exceptional bluffing skill more than actual confidence in himself. [[Word of God]] in one of the supplementary art books comparing characters' relative Spiral Energy levels actually pointed out his is quite low compared to most of the rest of the cast, due to his hidden lack of confidence in himself. It's his ability to inspire others that makes him a great leader and team player.▼
▲== Other series ==
* ''[[Airmaster]]'': Sakamoto Julietta In one fight he gets his both legs and right arm broken, and yet he still stands up and attack his opponent with his left arm... [[Up to Eleven|and then a kick]]. The referee decides that the match ends in a draw (as both are unable to move at the end) though some spectators disagreed as he has fallen a bit latter.
** What was his motivation for all this? He wanted to go to his [[Stalker with a Crush|beloved girl.]]
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** Then there's Rakan, who takes this to absurd levels. Nothing short of {{spoiler|''[[Reality Warper|erasing him from existance]]'' will stop him, and even then, he puts up one ''hell'' of a fight.}} Even after that, he {{spoiler|''willed himself back'' just to give his student one important information that he must absolutly must know, and also gives some parting words to everyone}}
* Haruka in the anime incarnations of ''[[My-HiME]]'' and ''[[Mai-Otome]]'' is the resident determinator. Whether kicking a tank as a normal human, head-butting someone while literally dissolving into green sparkles or blowing the head off a monster after getting hit by its petrification ray, Haruka does not know the meaning of the word "quit".
▲* ''[[Mazinger Z]]'': Kouji never gives up. Not even when he is going against several [[Robeast|Kikaiju]] at once. Not even when the [[Robeast]] is completely impervious to his [[Humongous Mecha]]'s attacks. Not even when it has abilities his robot could not match (he faced submarine and flying Kikaiju long before Mazinger got upgraded to be able to fly or swim or got weapons worked under water or in air). Not even when he is buried under rubble. Not even when he gets dumped into a freaking volcano! Not matter the odds, he will think fast, analyze his foe (and its weapons and capabilities), come up with a plan or cheat like crazy.
▲** Geez, not even when he KNOWS the fight is utterly hopeless and there is no way to win he will quit. In the last episode of ''[[Mazinger Z]]'' and in the movie Mazinger Z tai Ankoku Daishogun he deployed Mazinger Z as stating he was not walking alive out of that battle and he knew that... but he did not care.
▲** The only way you can get him stopping to fight is holding someone hostage. And even then he will try to exploit any edge to release the hostage and giving you a sound trashing.
▲** ''[[Great Mazinger]]'': Tetsuya is even greater of a [[The Determinator]] than Kouji. Not matter how hurt he is or how badly damaged Great Mazinger is, he will NEVER give up (because in his mind giving up would mean he would let his surrogate father down).
▲** In the Great Mazinger tai Getter movie, [[Giant Space Flea From Nowhere|the monster]] [[Robeast|Gilgilgan]] ate Great Mazinger's left fist, shrugged a [[Chest Blaster|Breast Burn]] attack off, reflected a Thunder Break, blew Great Mazinger's right fist up and endured a Navel Missile, melted Great Mazinger's right leg... What did Tetsuya do? He tried to headbutt it. He tried his last weapon -Great Typhoon- and although it had no effect either, he YET refused leaving.
▲** A [[Super Robot Wars]] [[Manga]] plays with it, showing he can not care less if he is outnumbered or hurt.
▲{{quote|'''Tetsuya:''' That's right... It's fine if you tell me... to fight... I'll keep answering with the same answer... MAZIN GO...}}
▲** ''[[UFO Robo Grendizer]]'': Even though Duke is calmer than his predeccesors he is not a quitter, either.
▲** In the [[Go Nagai]] manga he fought Mazinger and Great Mazinger at once in spite of all told it was crazy and hopeless, and he held his ground and even sliced one Great Mazinger's arm off.
▲** And during the first season's two-part finale, Grendizer had been beaten by a pair of giant robots, [[Co-Dragons|Duke's nemesis Blacki]] had taken control of the Science and Space Center and was torturing [[The Professor|Dr. Umon]], [[The Lancer|Koji's]] flying saucer was too damaged to help and Grendizer was forced into hiding. Still, Duke did not give up. When he made his comeback, he engaged in a duel with one of the enemy mechs in a crumbling cave, he leapt up, shot lasers to bore his way back to the surface, decapitated the five-headed mech, and then flied straight at Blacki's command ship in a game of chicken. And he won!
* Akise Aru of ''[[Mirai Nikki]]''. {{spoiler|In chapter 51, he is stabbed and slashed in the neck by Yuno. Knowing that he's pretty much screwed, he decides to give Yukiteru a final warning about Yuno by texting it into his cell, running up a hill, and shoving the message in his face. And so he does. AFTER BEING DECAPITATED.}} What a Determinator ...
* ''[[Monster (manga)|Monster]]'': [[Inspector Javert|Inspector Lunge]] obsessively chases Tenma all over Germany trying to get him to confess to the murders {{spoiler|that were actually committed by Johan}}. Nothing - not even {{spoiler|his wife and kids leaving him, or losing his job}} - matters as much as catching Tenma. In a more traditional example, not even being stabbed so badly that he quickly falls unconscious from the blood loss stopped Lunge from trying to smash the windows of Tenma's car in order to catch him.
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* [[Tekkaman Blade]]: D-boy lives on this trope. Early in the series when his [[Transformation Trinket|crystal]] was disabled, he still kept going until it actual broke. In the next episode he took on a Tekkaman with no powers whatsoever. In the final chapter, his Determinator status gave him the means to achieve [[Unstoppable Rage]].
{{quote|'''Noal''': "He fights Radham with his human body. Geeze, he really is a dangerous guy!"}}
▲* ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann]]'': Kamina inspires the [[Badass Crew]] to fight even when they have ''no'' chance of winning. Being blasted apart by the pure awesome he radiates isn't worth missing the show for when he starts to fight. His line early in the series, "A real man never dies even if he's killed!", sums up this trope as perfectly as a single sentence can. {{spoiler|Considering the posthumous influence his attitude and ideals enjoyed, both in the series and in real life, it seems he was right.}} Simon also becomes just as much a Determinator as time goes on.
▲** And if you do think about the first one to three episodes, even Kamina's massive determination was inspired from his {{spoiler|dead}} father.
▲*** More or less how it was spread: Kamina's father=>Kamina=>Simon=>everyone and anyone else.
▲** Of course, due to the way Spiral Energy works, sheer willpower and fighting spirit can make the impossible happen. Hell, Lagann uses it as fuel.
▲** All of Kamina's [[Catch Phrase|catchphrases]] are pure Determinator stuff: "Kick the reason to the curb and do the impossible!", "Who the hell do you think I am?", "Don't believe in yourself, believe in me who believes in you!" The whole anime is about human determination to overcome the obstacles. Every episode, the characters confront a seemingly impossible obstacle, then Kamina/Simon refuse to surrender and somehow overcomes it performing impossible feats it by sheer determination, only to discover a new obstacle that dwarfs the previous one, then they perform and EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLE FEAT, and so on, in a continous excalation. Even the two recurring themes of Spirals and Drills purposedly remind the concepts of ''excalation'' and ''destroy obstacles'', all driven by determination.
▲** Hell, When they talk about the heroes on the Deteminator main page they say "For heroes, "hit the villain until he drops" is a virtue that will be rewarded in a Heroic Second Wind moment, especially if they're the Badass Normal with a Screw Destiny attitude." This describes Kamina's last Battle to a T.{{spoiler|Willing himself back to life with the Heroic Second Wind and owning the Big Bad General who has been unharmed so far with one attack. Not to mention that despite how awesome he is, his spiral power is average, qualifying for Badass Normal. As for the Screw Destiny Part... Do I really have to say it?}}
▲*** He does admit in-series that a great deal of his hot-bloodedness is faith in his allies and exceptional bluffing skill more than actual confidence in himself. [[Word of God]] in one of the supplementary art books comparing characters' relative Spiral Energy levels actually pointed out his is quite low compared to most of the rest of the cast, due to his hidden lack of confidence in himself. It's his ability to inspire others that makes him a great leader and team player.
▲** Simon's talk with Possessed Nia when she tells him there's a less then .01% chance of his success. "Maybe, but it ''isn't'' zero. And for me, that makes it the same as a 100% chance!!!" Distilled trope, thy name is Simon.
▲*** And later, they succeed at something even when the chance of success ''was'' zero. "It seems that theoretical calculations are pointless with you."
* ''[[Tiger and Bunny]]'''s Kotetsu/Wild Tiger will fulfill his duties to protect the people in all circumstances and at all cost. {{spoiler|This is the case even when his powers start to decline. Rather than find new work, he decides he may as well become Sternbild's first [[Costumed Nonsuper Hero]].}} Barnaby also proves to have a mile-streak of stubbornness, albeit a far more self destructive one. Most of his life was spent on a single-minded, twenty-year quest to find his parent's killer at the expense of [[Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training|anything resembling a well-adjusted life.]]
* ''[[A Certain Magical Index]]'': Kamijou Touma. Burn him with fire of about 4000ºC, cut his arm off, crush him with I-beams, send a giant golem, call an angel or fight him using the power of God's Right Hand, [[Archangel Michael]] and he won't step back, he will keep going on to acomplish his goals.
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