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* Mamoru Chiba/Tuxedo Kamen/Prince Endymion of ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' is ''definitely'' Relena's [[Spear Counterpart]] in regards to this. The guy is consistently portrayed throughout every part of the Sailor Moon franchise as [[Official Couple|Usagi's love interest]], but the final series, ''Sailor Stars'', introduced Seiya Kou as a surrogate love interest while Mamoru was absent and fans, seeing a het-ish alternative to Mamoru ("ish" because Seiya is a [[Gender Bender]] in the anime and a [[Sweet Polly Oliver]] in the manga), proceeded to take this opportunity to express their anger at Mamoru. Said anger stems mostly from a plot arc in the ''R'' season, where Mamoru [[It's Not You, It's My Enemies|broke up with Usagi]] after receiving disturbing dreams that their relationship would lead to [[The End of the World As We Know It]]. It really didn't help that the whole arc reeked of [[Idiot Plot]] in general and the entire situation came off as [[Wall Banger|very contrived]] and [[Narm|melodramatic]]. But what people tend to forget though is that after that issue was finally resolved, Usagi did forgive Mamoru and he generally went back to being a serious and overall devoted and well-meaning boyfriend. But [[Never Live It Down]] is in effect here, as some Seiya/Usagi shippers will practically bend over backwards to color Mamoru up as this heartless asshole who ''hates'' her.
* Mamoru Chiba/Tuxedo Kamen/Prince Endymion of ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' is ''definitely'' Relena's [[Spear Counterpart]] in regards to this. The guy is consistently portrayed throughout every part of the Sailor Moon franchise as [[Official Couple|Usagi's love interest]], but the final series, ''Sailor Stars'', introduced Seiya Kou as a surrogate love interest while Mamoru was absent and fans, seeing a het-ish alternative to Mamoru ("ish" because Seiya is a [[Gender Bender]] in the anime and a [[Sweet Polly Oliver]] in the manga), proceeded to take this opportunity to express their anger at Mamoru. Said anger stems mostly from a plot arc in the ''R'' season, where Mamoru [[It's Not You, It's My Enemies|broke up with Usagi]] after receiving disturbing dreams that their relationship would lead to [[The End of the World as We Know It]]. It really didn't help that the whole arc reeked of [[Idiot Plot]] in general and the entire situation came off as [[Wall Banger|very contrived]] and [[Narm|melodramatic]]. But what people tend to forget though is that after that issue was finally resolved, Usagi did forgive Mamoru and he generally went back to being a serious and overall devoted and well-meaning boyfriend. But [[Never Live It Down]] is in effect here, as some Seiya/Usagi shippers will practically bend over backwards to color Mamoru up as this heartless asshole who ''hates'' her.
** [[Sarcasm Mode|Poor, poor little Usagi is only stuck with that jerk Mamoru because she wants to have their future daughter. If she had a choice, she would be with Seiya.]] Never mind the fact Usagi and Mamoru loved each other before finding out they had a child together, Usagi was mostly [[Oblivious to Love|oblivious to Seiya's feelings]] and saw her as a good friend, and it was explicitly stated in canon that Seiya's love for Usagi was unrequited (something that Seiya herself ''[[Graceful Loser|very]]'' [[Graceful Loser|gracefully and maturely]] [[I Want My Beloved to Be Happy|accepted]]). No, that's not important. At all.
** [[Sarcasm Mode|Poor, poor little Usagi is only stuck with that jerk Mamoru because she wants to have their future daughter. If she had a choice, she would be with Seiya.]] Never mind the fact Usagi and Mamoru loved each other before finding out they had a child together, Usagi was mostly [[Oblivious to Love|oblivious to Seiya's feelings]] and saw her as a good friend, and it was explicitly stated in canon that Seiya's love for Usagi was unrequited (something that Seiya herself ''[[Graceful Loser|very]]'' [[Graceful Loser|gracefully and maturely]] [[I Want My Beloved to Be Happy|accepted]]). No, that's not important. At all.
* There's a [[Squick|Squicky]] subgroup that claims that Mamoru is in love with [[Parental Incest|his own future daughter]]. Anime Usagi is shown to be so childishly jealous when Mamoru pays attention to Chibi-Usa that she even asks him in the ''Super S'' movie which one he loves more. Mamoru is [[Flat What|understandably flabbergasted and gives no response]], which sets up a [[Chekhov's Gun]] when Usagi is [[Lotus Eater Machine|later trapped in an illusion with a fake Mamoru]]. Some of Mamoru's detractors will use this as evidence that he loves his daughter more than his girlfriend/future wife. It does not help that Chibi-Usa is quite clingy to him as well, and even refers to her father as [[Daddy's Girl|her boyfriend]]. Still, this subgroup seems to be unaware of the time in R when the Black Moon clan ''tries'' to brainwash Usagi into joining them by attempting to make her think that Mamoru was in love with Black Lady, Chibi-Usa's magically aged up ''and'' brainwashed alter ego... but Usagi breaks through it and says this won't happen ever. Note that in the manga, Usagi's jealousy of Mamoru's attention to Chibi-Usa was actually addressed directly when Usagi confessed it to him - leading to [[Their First Time]]. Needless to say, Mamoru was a bit more direct about his feelings in the manga.
* There's a [[Squick|Squicky]] subgroup that claims that Mamoru is in love with [[Parental Incest|his own future daughter]]. Anime Usagi is shown to be so childishly jealous when Mamoru pays attention to Chibi-Usa that she even asks him in the ''Super S'' movie which one he loves more. Mamoru is [[Flat What|understandably flabbergasted and gives no response]], which sets up a [[Chekhov's Gun]] when Usagi is [[Lotus Eater Machine|later trapped in an illusion with a fake Mamoru]]. Some of Mamoru's detractors will use this as evidence that he loves his daughter more than his girlfriend/future wife. It does not help that Chibi-Usa is quite clingy to him as well, and even refers to her father as [[Daddy's Girl|her boyfriend]]. Still, this subgroup seems to be unaware of the time in R when the Black Moon clan ''tries'' to brainwash Usagi into joining them by attempting to make her think that Mamoru was in love with Black Lady, Chibi-Usa's magically aged up ''and'' brainwashed alter ego... but Usagi breaks through it and says this won't happen ever. Note that in the manga, Usagi's jealousy of Mamoru's attention to Chibi-Usa was actually addressed directly when Usagi confessed it to him - leading to [[Their First Time]]. Needless to say, Mamoru was a bit more direct about his feelings in the manga.
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