Dragon Age: Origins/WMG: Difference between revisions

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== The Archdemons are holding back the mother of all Blights ==

What happens in a Blight? Darkspawn dig up one of the old gods of the Tevinter Imperium, it gets corrupted by the Taint, and assembles all the Darkspawn around into a massive [[Horde|army]] to overrun civilization. So what happens when the last of the dragon-gods is defeated? Are the Darkspawn all gonna lay down and die? Ummm... No. They're not going to go ''anywhere''. There won't be any retreat underground to search for the next old god; '''all the Darkspawn in the world''' are going to surge up out of the Deep Roads in a massive, world-wide Blight. This will, naturally, lead to an [[After the End]] scenario. Harder to get fantasy any [[Grimdark|darker than that]].

* The Architect was of the impression that the Darkspawn could be tamed and made to live alongside humanity with the Old Gods dead, but as with all [[Well Intentioned Extremist|Well Intentioned Extremists]] there's a good posibility he was talking out of his ass.

* The Architect was of the impression that the Darkspawn could be tamed and made to live alongside humanity with the Old Gods dead, but as with all [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|Well Intentioned Extremists]] there's a good posibility he was talking out of his ass.

* Darkspawn are unable to coordinate sustained mass effort without the guiding intelligence of an archdemon. No archdemon = no Blight. Presumably, the darkspawn will just dwindle to a perpetual source of wandering monsters.

** Observe the Dwarfs, who have been fighting the first Blight since it began. They can only tell a Blight is in progress because the pressure slacks off a bit.

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== Flemeth is a [[Trickster Mentor]], and Morrigan will be the [[Big Bad]] ==

It's quite possible that Flemeth is ''not'' evil, but instead a [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] who subtly leads heroes towards some unknown goal. If the so-called Maker is evil, which some of these WMGs imply, then it woud work in her favor to {{spoiler|[[Dragon Age 2|weaken the Chantry.]]}} Conversely, while Flemeth wants to destroy what she sees as a church gone corrupt, Morrigan just wants to rule the world, having become a bit too zealous with Flemeth's ideals. This is why she goes rogue. After {{spoiler|Anders's}} manipulation of Hawke in [[Dragon Age 2]], it isn't so far-fetched that she could scheme to this level of nastiness.

It's quite possible that Flemeth is ''not'' evil, but instead a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] who subtly leads heroes towards some unknown goal. If the so-called Maker is evil, which some of these WMGs imply, then it woud work in her favor to {{spoiler|[[Dragon Age 2|weaken the Chantry.]]}} Conversely, while Flemeth wants to destroy what she sees as a church gone corrupt, Morrigan just wants to rule the world, having become a bit too zealous with Flemeth's ideals. This is why she goes rogue. After {{spoiler|Anders's}} manipulation of Hawke in [[Dragon Age 2]], it isn't so far-fetched that she could scheme to this level of nastiness.

== Flemeth is Andraste ==

Possibly tied in with the above. Flemeth's origin is a strange mish-mash of the Chantry's story of Andraste and Morrigan's story of her origin. Once the Maker turned his back on humanity, however, Flemeth/Andraste [[Crystal Dragon Jesus|(after coming back from the dead)]] cried [[What the Hell Hero|"What the Flames, hero?"]] [[Break the Cutie|The Cutie had been broken,]] leaving Flemeth to take a more nihilistic view of the world and giving her the desire to get revenge on the Maker she sees as abandoning her children.

Possibly tied in with the above. Flemeth's origin is a strange mish-mash of the Chantry's story of Andraste and Morrigan's story of her origin. Once the Maker turned his back on humanity, however, Flemeth/Andraste [[Crystal Dragon Jesus|(after coming back from the dead)]] cried [[What the Hell, Hero?|"What the Flames, hero?"]] [[Break the Cutie|The Cutie had been broken,]] leaving Flemeth to take a more nihilistic view of the world and giving her the desire to get revenge on the Maker she sees as abandoning her children.

** Addendum: Furthermore, Flemeth sees the Chantry as abandoning whatever principles she originally set forth and beccoming corrupt.

** Who says she ever died in the first place? Everything the Chantry says about Flemeth could very well be apocryphal.

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== The Old Gods are Reapers and the Maker is a Prothean ==

The Humans/Elves/Dwarves are all human off shoots made by the protheans from kidnapped Cro Magnons. The Old Gods are reaper avatars like the Collector General and the Dark Spawn are husks. Lyrium is element zero and mages are those who've been exposed to large amounts of it in utero. In the 2nd or 3rd Dragon Age Commander Shepard and the ''Normandy'' will show up to recruit the Grey Wardens, as they are able to sense the Reaper's intentions. Naturally, this will lead to [[Back to Back Badasses]].

The Humans/Elves/Dwarves are all human off shoots made by the protheans from kidnapped Cro Magnons. The Old Gods are reaper avatars like the Collector General and the Dark Spawn are husks. Lyrium is element zero and mages are those who've been exposed to large amounts of it in utero. In the 2nd or 3rd Dragon Age Commander Shepard and the ''Normandy'' will show up to recruit the Grey Wardens, as they are able to sense the Reaper's intentions. Naturally, this will lead to [[Back-to-Back Badasses]].

* There's more implying this: aside from the possibility of Flemeth's death causing the immortality (we do have precedent for such: the Archdemon can survive by possessing any Darkspawn nearby), Morrigan's behavior in Witch Hunt is utterly different from the main game, subdued and submissive to Flemeth's will where once she was casually defiant to it. This approaches possible [[Fridge Horror]] if the warden agrees to Morrigan's plan, as Flemeth's two body hops away from a massively powerful host.

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In the human noble start Howe does something suicidally stupid, attacking another noble. He knows the king however won't be any position to make him pay the piper for it though. Similarly it's later shown that he's torturing another noble's son, and has another different noble's son locked up in his dungeons. Add in his smuggling and money laundering and he knew, and has known, for some time the king would die. The only way he'd know that is if Loghain told him of his plans. Probably why Howe didn't have his troops at Ostagar. Loghain isn't a man driven to protect his country, he's a cold manipulative regicidal bastard.

* Loghain doesn't care about his country!? The reason he killed the king was because he saw the man as too idealistic and wasting the country's forces fighting the Darkspawn! His enmity to the Orlesians is what drives him, not some psychopathic tendency towards the aristocracy.

* Indeed. If you read ''The Stolen Throne'', then you know that Loghain couldn't care less about personal power, or what people think of him. He cares about nothing but the country - he's the living image of a [[Well Intentioned Extremist]]. Loghain probably started planning his coup when Cailan declared that they should get help from the Orlesians, and wouldn't back down. That's the one thing that he couldn't take, no matter what. Remember that the arrangements for the battle of Ostragar must have taken weeks or months - there's no indication that Loghain would have made any of this plots before this time. Even Arl Eamon's poisoning happened after this, as you know if you play the Mage Origin. Also note that most of the atrocities blamed on Loghain were done by Arl Howe, who Loghain turned blind eye to in order to have at least one loyal ally among the nobility. Loghain didn't want Cailan to die because he knew that most of the nobles would turn against him if that happened, but if it was a choice between Cailan and Ferelden in his mind, then there was no comparison.

* Indeed. If you read ''The Stolen Throne'', then you know that Loghain couldn't care less about personal power, or what people think of him. He cares about nothing but the country - he's the living image of a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]]. Loghain probably started planning his coup when Cailan declared that they should get help from the Orlesians, and wouldn't back down. That's the one thing that he couldn't take, no matter what. Remember that the arrangements for the battle of Ostragar must have taken weeks or months - there's no indication that Loghain would have made any of this plots before this time. Even Arl Eamon's poisoning happened after this, as you know if you play the Mage Origin. Also note that most of the atrocities blamed on Loghain were done by Arl Howe, who Loghain turned blind eye to in order to have at least one loyal ally among the nobility. Loghain didn't want Cailan to die because he knew that most of the nobles would turn against him if that happened, but if it was a choice between Cailan and Ferelden in his mind, then there was no comparison.

** It has been confirmed by [[Word of God|David Gaider]] that Loghain was plotting against Cailan before Ostagar. Arl Eamon was also poisoned before The Battle of Ostagar. The Redcliffe knight in Lothering says that Arl Eamon has been ill for months. He even uses that fact as an argument ''against'' Loghain being involved. Loghain's section in the It Just Bugs Me topic has more discussion on how heavily Loghain was involved in things like the Cousland massacre.

*** Er, the person who poisoned Arl Eamon was none other than Jowan the Blood Mage. The same Jowan who escapes the Circle Tower during the Mage Origin story. The poisoning can't have started before Jowan escaped, which in turn happened right when Duncan came looking for recruits to deal with the Blight at Ostragar.

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== Leliana isn't bisexual - she's flat-out lesbian. ==

If the Warden is female, she never shows any attraction to men. Her attraction to a male Warden is a combination of [[Even the Guys Want Him|Even The Lesbians Want Him]] and [[If ~~Its~~ You ~~Its~~ Okay]].

If the Warden is female, she never shows any attraction to men. Her attraction to a male Warden is a combination of [[Even the Guys Want Him|Even The Lesbians Want Him]] and [[If It's You It's Okay]].

* One thing might kill that theory: in the alternate continuity of the Darkspawn Chronicles, it's implied that Alistair and Leliana hooked up.

** Maybe Alistair has the "Just for you" ticket as well.

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* In fact, it actually seems ''easier'' to romance her as a male Warden. There are several dialogue options right out of the gate (Neutral approval) that only appear/only work if the Warden is male ("Those initiates couldn't have been more lovely than you,"), which allow a male Warden to initiate a romance with her fairly early on. A female Warden, however, has to raise her approval to a high level (+50) first, then wait for her to make the first move, choose the right dialogue options, and express interest. Or complete her personal quest and talk to her about Majorlaine later, an option that requires an even higher approval (well over 70) and is also available to male Wardens. If that's all ''against'' her usual sexual preferences because even the lesbians want him, then we're talking about the male Warden's hotness being carried to [[Serial Escalation|ridiculous levels]]. (The male Warden is so hot that he turns lesbians straight! At neutral approval! With a single flirtatious comment!)

* Some of her dialogues with Zevran are also kind of flirtatious, such as [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVgRgwQCkg&feature=related one] where Hardened Leliana dares him to remove his pants in front of her to "disprove some myths about elven men" before she'll "consider a tumble." In [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX_hCSEfLEk another] a Warden of either gender who is romancing Zevran can ask her if she's been watching him, which nets a flustered response. The Warden can then tell her, "He's been claimed. My apologies."

* Some of her dialogue indicates that Leliana does not believe [[If ~~Its~~ You ~~Its~~ Okay]] is a valid foundation for a long-term emotional and physical relationship. (The only kind that she's interested in.) If a male Warden cheats on her with Zevran and then chooses certain dialogue options, she'll say, "You don't have to deny it. I always thought there was something missing between us. Now I know what that is," and break off the relationship. That indicates to me that she does not think that a heterosexual relationship between herself and a predominantly homosexual man would work, even if they liked each other. She ''might'' have just meant that "it" was that there was "someone else" in the picture, but the context that she said it in raises eyebrows--and she does ''not'' say the same thing to a female Warden who breaks up with her in the same manner by sleeping with Zevran. (Instead she says, "I think I [[Mistaken for Gay|made a mistake]] about you. It's not your fault, I'm sorry. Let's just put this behind us?") I have to wonder why she would think a relationship between herself and a straight male Warden would work if she was entirely homosexual herself.

* Some of her dialogue indicates that Leliana does not believe [[If It's You It's Okay]] is a valid foundation for a long-term emotional and physical relationship. (The only kind that she's interested in.) If a male Warden cheats on her with Zevran and then chooses certain dialogue options, she'll say, "You don't have to deny it. I always thought there was something missing between us. Now I know what that is," and break off the relationship. That indicates to me that she does not think that a heterosexual relationship between herself and a predominantly homosexual man would work, even if they liked each other. She ''might'' have just meant that "it" was that there was "someone else" in the picture, but the context that she said it in raises eyebrows--and she does ''not'' say the same thing to a female Warden who breaks up with her in the same manner by sleeping with Zevran. (Instead she says, "I think I [[Mistaken for Gay|made a mistake]] about you. It's not your fault, I'm sorry. Let's just put this behind us?") I have to wonder why she would think a relationship between herself and a straight male Warden would work if she was entirely homosexual herself.

== Sten's stoicism has nothing to do with him being Qunari or his natural character, but is a symptom of the cultural alienation resulting from his exile in Ferelden. ==

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** He fights regular darkspawn well enough. He's not a complete coward--what bothers him is that he can't ''fight'' the Joining. It has nothing to do with his personal skill or valor. It's not an enemy he can fight. But hey, I could see him turning tail and running, too.

** Yea, fighting doesn't seem much of a problem, though he might have shat himself at the first sight of an ogre, or the full horde, or a broodmother, or an archdemon. He wouldn't have been able to handle the full sacrifice of dedicating his whole life to fighting darkspawn, or dealing with the tough choices you have to make to fight the blight, though. But putting sword to genlock, he'd have no problem with.

*** [[Arson Murder and Jaywalking|And on top of all this, Jowan is ''nowhere near'' cool enough to be a Warden.]] Look at Duncan - dude ''earned'' that [[Badass Beard]] by being, you guessed it, [[Captain Obvious|badass.]]

*** [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|And on top of all this, Jowan is ''nowhere near'' cool enough to be a Warden.]] Look at Duncan - dude ''earned'' that [[Badass Beard]] by being, you guessed it, [[Captain Obvious|badass.]]

== The Circle never gets Jowan, even if the Warden decides to turn him in. ==

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