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** The Old Gods are not spirits possessing humans. The Old Gods are just flat out uber-powerful dragons (most likely). Morrigan's child on the other hand, will be a purified old god spirit possessing a human form. My personal theory is that Flemeth was created from the same ritual that created Morrigan's child, and that her goal here is to gain a powerful ally (one of equal power to her) to use in a war against the chantry. (Once the baby's grown.) |
** The Old Gods are not spirits possessing humans. The Old Gods are just flat out uber-powerful dragons (most likely). Morrigan's child on the other hand, will be a purified old god spirit possessing a human form. My personal theory is that Flemeth was created from the same ritual that created Morrigan's child, and that her goal here is to gain a powerful ally (one of equal power to her) to use in a war against the chantry. (Once the baby's grown.) |
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* We know that Flemeth told Morrigan of the ritual to conceiving an Old God, and that she sent Morrigan with us to prepare her for the body-snatching ritual. It seems very likely that Flemeth's plan all along was to body-snatch Morrigan's child, in which case it's not so much that Flemeth IS an Old God so much as that she wants to BECOME an Old God. |
* We know that Flemeth told Morrigan of the ritual to conceiving an Old God, and that she sent Morrigan with us to prepare her for the body-snatching ritual. It seems very likely that Flemeth's plan all along was to body-snatch Morrigan's child, in which case it's not so much that Flemeth IS an Old God so much as that she wants to BECOME an Old God. |
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** I had that thought, too, except that what's important about the kid is its spirit, not its body. The only atypical quality about the physical form is the taint needed to commit the whole soul-transfer thing. So if Flemeth body-snatched it, would she actually gain anything special from the effort? Unless her body-snatching is less outright replacing one person's soul with her own, and more of a spiritual [[Fusion Dance |
** I had that thought, too, except that what's important about the kid is its spirit, not its body. The only atypical quality about the physical form is the taint needed to commit the whole soul-transfer thing. So if Flemeth body-snatched it, would she actually gain anything special from the effort? Unless her body-snatching is less outright replacing one person's soul with her own, and more of a spiritual [[Fusion Dance]]... |
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* If Flemeth actually is an Old God, she's likely Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery. She's always cryptic and deflects direct questions with sarcasm and vague answers. She doesn't turn into a dragon, she's a dragon that assumes [[A Form You Are Comfortable With]]. |
* If Flemeth actually is an Old God, she's likely Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery. She's always cryptic and deflects direct questions with sarcasm and vague answers. She doesn't turn into a dragon, she's a dragon that assumes [[A Form You Are Comfortable With]]. |
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** Who says she ever died in the first place? Everything the Chantry says about Flemeth could very well be apocryphal. |
** Who says she ever died in the first place? Everything the Chantry says about Flemeth could very well be apocryphal. |
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== Flemeth is Fen'Harel, who's an Old God, who's a High Dragon, who's Andraste, who's the Maker, who's Sandal, who's the OGS, who's the [[ |
== Flemeth is Fen'Harel, who's an Old God, who's a High Dragon, who's Andraste, who's the Maker, who's Sandal, who's the OGS, who's the [[Baldur's Gate|Bhaalspawn]]. == |
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== Flemeth is everyone, ever. == |
== Flemeth is everyone, ever. == |
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It's a propaganda piece. In a society as dog-loving as this, of course they'd glorify dogs until they're like Rex. |
It's a propaganda piece. In a society as dog-loving as this, of course they'd glorify dogs until they're like Rex. |
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== ''[[The 13th Warrior]]'' takes place in the ''Dragon Age'' universe. == |
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Fadlan is a Qunari. The other twelve warriors may be Chasind. And the cannibalistic Wendol are - of course - Darkspawn. |
Fadlan is a Qunari. The other twelve warriors may be Chasind. And the cannibalistic Wendol are - of course - Darkspawn. |
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* There's more implying this: aside from the possibility of Flemeth's death causing the immortality (we do have precedent for such: the Archdemon can survive by possessing any Darkspawn nearby), Morrigan's behavior in Witch Hunt is utterly different from the main game, subdued and submissive to Flemeth's will where once she was casually defiant to it. This approaches possible [[Fridge Horror]] if the warden agrees to Morrigan's plan, as Flemeth's two body hops away from a massively powerful host. |
* There's more implying this: aside from the possibility of Flemeth's death causing the immortality (we do have precedent for such: the Archdemon can survive by possessing any Darkspawn nearby), Morrigan's behavior in Witch Hunt is utterly different from the main game, subdued and submissive to Flemeth's will where once she was casually defiant to it. This approaches possible [[Fridge Horror]] if the warden agrees to Morrigan's plan, as Flemeth's two body hops away from a massively powerful host. |
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== The Maker is an Old World Of Darkness [[Mage: The Ascension |
== The Maker is an Old World Of Darkness [[Mage: The Ascension|Mage.]] == |
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Ok, bare with me on this one. The Fade is more than a little similar to the Umbra from Mage. There's a good reason, it was made in it's image. In one of the Time Of Judgement scenarios for Mage the PCs can use a spiritual city to escape from the World of Darkness before all magic dies there and to get in at the ground floor of a new creation. It also says that maybe the new world will be haunted by the image of a great city or the ruin of it. Sound like the Black City to you? So, one mage survives the trip out of the World of Darkness and starts creating a world. He includes things he knows, like humans and an animistic spirit world, but also makes sure THIS world has magic built in at the roots. Unfortunately two other mages managed to follow him, a Nephandus and a Technocrat. The Nephandus, always willing to make chaos and destruction, created the Darkspawn. The Technocrat, offended by the idea of an entire magical world, used Progenitor genetic engineering to create the Qunari. A big, strong race with (relavtivly) high tech and a hatred of magic. The Maker Mage saw this and other stuff, figured he failed, and left the world to stew in it's own juices, only briefly becoming involved again when he got the hots for Andraste. |
Ok, bare with me on this one. The Fade is more than a little similar to the Umbra from Mage. There's a good reason, it was made in it's image. In one of the Time Of Judgement scenarios for Mage the PCs can use a spiritual city to escape from the World of Darkness before all magic dies there and to get in at the ground floor of a new creation. It also says that maybe the new world will be haunted by the image of a great city or the ruin of it. Sound like the Black City to you? So, one mage survives the trip out of the World of Darkness and starts creating a world. He includes things he knows, like humans and an animistic spirit world, but also makes sure THIS world has magic built in at the roots. Unfortunately two other mages managed to follow him, a Nephandus and a Technocrat. The Nephandus, always willing to make chaos and destruction, created the Darkspawn. The Technocrat, offended by the idea of an entire magical world, used Progenitor genetic engineering to create the Qunari. A big, strong race with (relavtivly) high tech and a hatred of magic. The Maker Mage saw this and other stuff, figured he failed, and left the world to stew in it's own juices, only briefly becoming involved again when he got the hots for Andraste. |
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Hows that for a WMG? |
Hows that for a WMG? |
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A Flemeth possessed god-child and Superman, who fell to ferelden as seen in Dragon Age I. |
A Flemeth possessed god-child and Superman, who fell to ferelden as seen in Dragon Age I. |
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== The child in the "[[Superman]]" encounter will be much more important than a random [[Shout |
== The child in the "[[Superman]]" encounter will be much more important than a random [[Shout-Out]]. == |
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In a later game he will appear as a party member (he'd only be nine at the end of II) and have mysterious abilities that don't fit with the magic of the setting. He's actually a genetically-engineered [[Tyke Bomb]] from the future and was sent back in time to prevent a horrible event that will destroy the world so thoroughly it will eventually end all life on the planet. |
In a later game he will appear as a party member (he'd only be nine at the end of II) and have mysterious abilities that don't fit with the magic of the setting. He's actually a genetically-engineered [[Tyke Bomb]] from the future and was sent back in time to prevent a horrible event that will destroy the world so thoroughly it will eventually end all life on the planet. |
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== The PC in the sequel will be Morrigan Jr. == |
== The PC in the sequel will be Morrigan Jr. == |
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A human with the potential to become one of the most powerful beings in the world, who starts out morally as a blank slate but with the constant danger that they may fall to the dark side hard. It's the ideal Bioware protagonist. |
A human with the potential to become one of the most powerful beings in the world, who starts out morally as a blank slate but with the constant danger that they may fall to the dark side hard. It's the ideal Bioware protagonist. |
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* This one has been confirmed by [[ |
* This one has been confirmed by [[BioWare]] as not true since not only is there the possibility for Morrigan to not have a child in the first place, when ''[[Dragon Age II]]'' starts the child would not have been conceived yet and when it ends the child would only be around 9 years old. |
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* Also, the "Witch Hunt" DLC, which centers around finding Morrigan is meant to settle her part of the story. |
* Also, the "Witch Hunt" DLC, which centers around finding Morrigan is meant to settle her part of the story. |
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** Not that it really succeeded at doing so. Even if you kill her, the way she went off would easily make it possible for her to come back later. |
** Not that it really succeeded at doing so. Even if you kill her, the way she went off would easily make it possible for her to come back later. |
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** Given that several party members appear in [[Dragon Age II]] and the [[Expanded Universe]] even if you killed them personally, it may not matter ''what'' you decided to do with Jowan. Two of the choices are letting him go free and sending him back to the Circle to be made Tranquil and it's not hard to see Jowan escaping again in the second choice. The epilogue cards at the end of Origins are pretty much to be taken with a grain of salt considering how easily they're retconned in II. |
** Given that several party members appear in [[Dragon Age II]] and the [[Expanded Universe]] even if you killed them personally, it may not matter ''what'' you decided to do with Jowan. Two of the choices are letting him go free and sending him back to the Circle to be made Tranquil and it's not hard to see Jowan escaping again in the second choice. The epilogue cards at the end of Origins are pretty much to be taken with a grain of salt considering how easily they're retconned in II. |
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== Provided that they still exist, the big conflict in ''[[ |
== Provided that they still exist, the big conflict in ''[[Dragon Age II]]'' will be between Morrigan's child and The Architect. == |
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The Child wants to eradicate the Darkspawn and take the power of the other Old Gods for himself, and the Architect still wishes to continue his work on freeing the Darkspawn from their compulsion. So, Devil you helped create and know a tad too well vs. The Devil that tortured you for a bit and caused the whole mess in the first place! Fun choices for everyone! |
The Child wants to eradicate the Darkspawn and take the power of the other Old Gods for himself, and the Architect still wishes to continue his work on freeing the Darkspawn from their compulsion. So, Devil you helped create and know a tad too well vs. The Devil that tortured you for a bit and caused the whole mess in the first place! Fun choices for everyone! |
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* Jossed. |
* Jossed. |
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== The next game will be set in Orlais == |
== The next game will be set in Orlais == |
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{{spoiler|Alastair}} speaks to you in ''[[ |
{{spoiler|Alastair}} speaks to you in ''[[Dragon Age II]]'' and talks about how Orlais is undergoing civil unrest, with assassination attempts and a brewing conspiracy to {{spoiler|reconquer Ferelden}}. A similar conversation occurs in Witch Hunt, with two mages talking about the civil unrest in Kirkwall. This is a Chekov's Gun, meant to tell us what Dragon Age 3 will be about. |
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* That's where {{spoiler|Bohdain and Sandal}} are headed as well. |
* That's where {{spoiler|Bohdain and Sandal}} are headed as well. |
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* And Wynne and Shale in the novel ''Asunder''. |
* And Wynne and Shale in the novel ''Asunder''. |
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Spoiler; {{spoiler|The ending reveals that the chantry is looking for both Hawke and the Warden to help solve their problems, and perhaps for other reasons}}. A future game will revolve around the two greatest heroes in Thedas joining forces. One's the Champion who brought the Chantry to ruin, the other's the hero who killed the Archdemon and ended the Blight. Together, [[They Fight Crime|they save Thedas!]] |
Spoiler; {{spoiler|The ending reveals that the chantry is looking for both Hawke and the Warden to help solve their problems, and perhaps for other reasons}}. A future game will revolve around the two greatest heroes in Thedas joining forces. One's the Champion who brought the Chantry to ruin, the other's the hero who killed the Archdemon and ended the Blight. Together, [[They Fight Crime|they save Thedas!]] |
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* The plot will at least partly consist of the two [[Putting the Band Back Together|putting their respective bands back together]] to form a [[Supergroup]]. |
* The plot will at least partly consist of the two [[Putting the Band Back Together|putting their respective bands back together]] to form a [[Supergroup]]. |
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* This'll be difficult considering your Warden's face isn't saved in ''[[ |
* This'll be difficult considering your Warden's face isn't saved in ''[[Dragon Age II]]'' . That's probably one of the reasons he/she never appears. |
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* Simple answer? Have them show up wearing a hood/helm, using the camera to avoid showing their face, and then let the player use the character customization feature on them as well. As for voices, get one pair(male and female) of voice actors for the human noble and human mage warden, get one pair for the dwarf noble and dwarf commoner, get one pair for the city elf and elf mage, and a pair for the dalish. Expensive? Yea, but cheaper than a pair for each individual origin. |
* Simple answer? Have them show up wearing a hood/helm, using the camera to avoid showing their face, and then let the player use the character customization feature on them as well. As for voices, get one pair(male and female) of voice actors for the human noble and human mage warden, get one pair for the dwarf noble and dwarf commoner, get one pair for the city elf and elf mage, and a pair for the dalish. Expensive? Yea, but cheaper than a pair for each individual origin. |
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** They pretty much did the same thing in [[Mass Effect 2]], so there's precedent. |
** They pretty much did the same thing in [[Mass Effect 2]], so there's precedent. |
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Pretty self-explanatory. Depending on the choices made by the PC, you can begin the game from the palace in Denerim, the Warden HQ in Amaranthine, the Frostback mountains, etc. |
Pretty self-explanatory. Depending on the choices made by the PC, you can begin the game from the palace in Denerim, the Warden HQ in Amaranthine, the Frostback mountains, etc. |
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* New information on Dragon Age 2 has confirmed this as not true. The main character will be Hawke, a villager from Lothering who fled with his/her family when the darkspawn came. According to [[ |
* New information on Dragon Age 2 has confirmed this as not true. The main character will be Hawke, a villager from Lothering who fled with his/her family when the darkspawn came. According to [[BioWare]] a majority of the story differences become apparent in the middle of the game instead of the end. |
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* Well, if you don't have save data to import, there's three different ways you can select for how the blight went. |
* Well, if you don't have save data to import, there's three different ways you can select for how the blight went. |
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In either scenario, the Darkspawn will barely be defeated at huge cost, perhaps even leaving one or more races (most likely Dwarves) extinct, and the world will need to be rebuilt. |
In either scenario, the Darkspawn will barely be defeated at huge cost, perhaps even leaving one or more races (most likely Dwarves) extinct, and the world will need to be rebuilt. |
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== There will be, if not in ''[[ |
== There will be, if not in ''[[Dragon Age II]]'' then in DA3, a Disciple party member. == |
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Possibly a [[Token Evil Teammate]], possibly a type V anti-hero. It will hide its identity by wearing a mask and heavy clothing |
Possibly a [[Token Evil Teammate]], possibly a type V anti-hero. It will hide its identity by wearing a mask and heavy clothing |
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* So... [[Fallout 2|Goris?]] |
* So... [[Fallout 2|Goris?]] |
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* In Awakening, if you make The Messenger [[Enemy Mine|fight with you]], and then choose to free him afterwards, he gets a mention in the epilogue. Something about a helpful hooded traveler with a slight lisp, who aids those he finds. [[ |
* In Awakening, if you make The Messenger [[Enemy Mine|fight with you]], and then choose to free him afterwards, he gets a mention in the epilogue. Something about a helpful hooded traveler with a slight lisp, who aids those he finds. [[BioWare]], ''please'' make him a party member. You can always bring in a [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] or have him get better if the player imports a save where they killed him. |
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* Bioware loves [[Enemy Mine]], especially with their apparent policy of subverting [[Planet of Hats]] (ex. {{spoiler|[[Mass Effect|Legion]]}}). Hell, you could even {{spoiler|recruit Loghain, who is pretty much the [[Big Bad]] of Origins}}. I'd be ''really'' surprised if we never recruit a Disciple. |
* Bioware loves [[Enemy Mine]], especially with their apparent policy of subverting [[Planet of Hats]] (ex. {{spoiler|[[Mass Effect|Legion]]}}). Hell, you could even {{spoiler|recruit Loghain, who is pretty much the [[Big Bad]] of Origins}}. I'd be ''really'' surprised if we never recruit a Disciple. |
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== The Dragon Age is not just an age in Thedas; it applies to the real world as well! == |
== The Dragon Age is not just an age in Thedas; it applies to the real world as well! == |
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The titular Dragon Age was so named for dragons were once again sighted in Thedas after having been thought extinct long before. It seems that after the game's release, there are a whole bunch of other fantasy RPGs coming out or just on the horizon, all of which involve, you guessed it, dragons suddenly reappearing in the world. And just like the Archdemon, when these guys appear, [[It Got Worse|things get bad]] fast. In [[World of Warcraft]]: Cataclysm, Deathwing awakens and reshapes Azeroth. In [[Guild Wars 2]], the Elder Dragons come alive and wreak havoc in Tyria. In [[The Elder Scrolls]] V: [[The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim |
The titular Dragon Age was so named for dragons were once again sighted in Thedas after having been thought extinct long before. It seems that after the game's release, there are a whole bunch of other fantasy RPGs coming out or just on the horizon, all of which involve, you guessed it, dragons suddenly reappearing in the world. And just like the Archdemon, when these guys appear, [[It Got Worse|things get bad]] fast. In [[World of Warcraft]]: Cataclysm, Deathwing awakens and reshapes Azeroth. In [[Guild Wars 2]], the Elder Dragons come alive and wreak havoc in Tyria. In [[The Elder Scrolls]] V: [[The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim|Skyrim]], dragons appear in Tamriel, and can only be stopped by a lone hero. |
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How is this all relevant? It seems that a very literal Dragon Age has been ushered into the world of RPGs. Dragons are making a comeback as the [[Badass|badasses]] they are, after going through some nasty [[Badass Decay|decay]] for so long. And they're PISSED! |
How is this all relevant? It seems that a very literal Dragon Age has been ushered into the world of RPGs. Dragons are making a comeback as the [[Badass|badasses]] they are, after going through some nasty [[Badass Decay|decay]] for so long. And they're PISSED! |
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* [[Bring It On]]. I have three words for the dragons: heat seeking missiles. |
* [[Bring It On]]. I have three words for the dragons: heat seeking missiles. |
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* I suppose the ''[[ |
* I suppose the ''[[The Saga of the Volsungs|Volsunga Saga]]'' will become more widely read in such an event... A training manual, so to speak. |
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== The Finn and Ariane where given "naive" personalities intentionally to make the Warden seem older. == |
== The Finn and Ariane where given "naive" personalities intentionally to make the Warden seem older. == |
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Hell, for bonus points, check out [http://social.bioware.com/project/2754/ Anderstair], Alistair with Anders' hair. |
Hell, for bonus points, check out [http://social.bioware.com/project/2754/ Anderstair], Alistair with Anders' hair. |
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As far as I know, we're never really told about Anders' family--which, as a mage, probably isn't something even he himself would question. Plus, his sweetness with Ser Pounce-a-lot reminds at least ''this'' troper of Alistair (even the [[Penny Arcade]] [[Shout |
As far as I know, we're never really told about Anders' family--which, as a mage, probably isn't something even he himself would question. Plus, his sweetness with Ser Pounce-a-lot reminds at least ''this'' troper of Alistair (even the [[Penny Arcade]] [[Shout-Out]] in ''Chronicles'' lends support - Barkspawn, anyone?), and even the kingly sibling is seen as somewhat silly and childish. At first I wondered if Cailan was voiced by Greg Ellis...only for them to later cast him as Anders. |
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I'm just saying, if Anders isn't either Alistair's brother or Wynne's son (see earlier WMG), I will be supremely disappointed. Besides, it's rather amusing thinking of a templar and apostate being brothers, and the idea that at least one of his sons would get a touch of Maric's manho-itude. |
I'm just saying, if Anders isn't either Alistair's brother or Wynne's son (see earlier WMG), I will be supremely disappointed. Besides, it's rather amusing thinking of a templar and apostate being brothers, and the idea that at least one of his sons would get a touch of Maric's manho-itude. |
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