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''For sequences not in the original manga, see [[Dragon Ball
== Saiyan Saga ==
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** The proper limitation (as re-stated at the end of the Cell Saga) should be that Shenlong cannot ''affect'' beings stronger than his creator. He can do things that surpass Kami's powers (ressurrect people), but not things that surpass Kami's strength (killing the Saiyans, de-powering the Androids).
* Krillin, Roshi and Bulma are Goku's closest friends. He was basically inseparable with them all his life and Krillin in particular is like a [[Heterosexual Life Partner]] and/or brother. Why did it take him four years to let them know he has a son? Why hasn't he had contact with them in that amount of time? In general this series has a tendency, during the time skips, to have the characters have spent the time having no contact with each other, presumably so that the characters themselves can echo the surprise the viewer is supposed to feel during big revelations like marriages and childbirth. But it doesn't make sense considering how close some of the characters are.
** When people grow up and move away from one another, this ''does'' actually happen. There are people you grow up with, do everything together with, and then you graduate High School/College and don't see them for years. Goku grew up and got married--that's the start of a whole new life, and their world seems to be without the internet or Facebook, so you wouldn't have Krillin seeing Goku's status update saying, "Say hi to little Gohan!"
*** They may be without the Internet and Facebook, but they're not without telephones. And while, yes, people do slowly grow apart over time, that's not how this was portrayed. One day Goku and Krillin were
*** Let's make an objective analysis: The original Dragonball ended in 1989 with Dragonball Z ending in 1996. It's not unsurprising their world doesn't have social networking and e-mail in an era in which Toriyama was still using Windows 95. Mobile phones were also very expensive and in relative terms were limited to bulky bricks and car-phones - making the Dragonball universe an unintentional combination of [[Zeerust]] and [[Technology Marches On]].
*** Even if you're just talking about the anime, the start of DBZ was in 1989. Unless Toriyama used Trunks' time machine, he wouldn't have had access to Windows 95.
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* During the Saiyan Saga, why was Korin/Karin (that white cat with the stick) so unprepared? He had an entire year to prepare some Senzu beans, but by the time Goku arrived, he only had two beans left? Right after the Saiyan arc, it only took him about one or two months to prepare an entire bag for Goku to take to Namek. Shouldn't he have been stockpiling them for everyone, enough for one bag per person? At least an entire bag? It would've certainly given the protagonists a distinct advantage. Yajirobe could've even delivered the beans to everyone a day or two in advance before the fight.
** Based on what Trunks says in his alternate timeline story, the senzu beans come from a tree. So it's the trees that determine how many senzu beans there are, not Korin. A bad crop, which can happen to any tree no matter how well you care for it, means few beans, and a good crop means plenty.
** For all you know, he could've been preparing the things shortly after learning of the Saiyans and they just weren't ready until after the Saiyans were defeated. The two he gave Goku could've just been from a previous batch that was almost used up.
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** Goku's last attack to Nappa broke his back, and Nappa was unable to battle anymore in any way, that combined with the fact that he had failed so throughly with a low class like Goku made Vegeta decide to finish him off right there. And what would be the point in killing the others anyway? If it's not going to amuse him then he would have no reason to go after them because they haven't done anything to him yet.
*** Of course, Vegeta could always have simply left Nappa paralyzed on the ground. Had he done ''that'', Nappa probably still could have provided assistance as a great ape by dragging himself along on his hands. In fact, considering that the z-fighters only won by the skin of their teeth, Nappa probably would have sealed the evil saiyans' victory that way.
**** The fight had moved away by then, unless Vegeta was willing to carry Nappa to the new battlefield (Which he obviously wasn't) then Nappa wouldn't have been close enough to transform.
** Actually, you're right but also wrong. Nappa was incapacitated so he was of no use anymore, someone would had killed him anyway because there was Vegeta alone and 3 opponents left. But the matter is that he was way stronger than Goku, he could had killed him, Krillin and Gohan without going full power, it's not his fault he didn't knew there was a technique at that time only known by two people that could multiply your power level (kaioken)
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*** He was too weak as a child and was killed by the natives.
*** He conquered the planet but his ship was damaged and couldn't leave.
*** The ship was programmed to "call home," but since Planet Vegeta was destroyed, it couldn't do that.
** I guess he was expecting #3, but I feel like #2 would have been a much more likely scenario, considering the moon and turning into a giant monkey.. If so, how did Radditz intend to take his brother away?? He had only one one-man capsule! Was he planning on sharing??
** He was probably planning on summoning backup from Vegeta and Nappa if and when he eventually found Kakarot. Alternatively, based on tracking he could have realized that Kakarot's ship was still intact (which it was) and planned to use that to get him away.
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* Other than [[Rule of Drama]] and need to have a [[Big Damn Heroes]] moment, why did Goku had to run all the way back Snake Road to return to earth while Yamcha and the others were revived instantaneously later?
** Either Porunga is just that much better, or they didn't word the revive Goku thing very well, and King Kai told them how to phrase it properly later.
*** Both, actually.
* Why wasn't Raditz much, much stronger? He'd spent the last several years of his life wearing himself ragged on the front-line against a variety of alien civilizations, just like his father (along-side two elites at that). Just the boost of [http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Zenkai Zenkai] alone should've made him far more dangerous than he was, not to mention his using weighted armor longer than Goku or Piccolo (the Zenkai boost was pushing Bardock near 10'000 near the end of his life, and he was lower-class too). Kami's training, as incredible as it is, doesn't seem like it would be great enough to let half a dozen humans surpass a Saiyan in just a year (that same training for 3 years allowed Goku to just match Piccolo).
** Raditz may just not have ever gotten near enough to death to get enough boosts. There's no indication he used weighted armour, the Saiyan armour is actually quite light and flexible.
* Why didn't Vegeta simply end his blutz wave technique when Gohan went Giant Ape?
** It wasn't something that he was consciously keeping up at that point, and when he first uses it, Goku says that it's draining his energy. He probably didn't have direct control over it by then, and didn't have the power to brute-force it off.
* After Goku blinds Vegeta with the Solar Flare, why did it never occur to him to just cut off Vegeta's tail and bring him down to size while blinded?
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* Again, Mr. Popo says young Kami left the Yunzabit highlands because "finding food was hard." Wait...food? I thought Namekians only drank water?
** The whole ''Namekians only drink water thing'' is either a plot hole or a retcon because it's contradicted many ''many'' times. In addition to the example above we have: King Piccolo eating entire feasts and Piccolo complaining about eating too much fish during the ''Goku learns to drive bit''. Even if you can overlook these facts there is something else to consider: why would a species that doesn't eat need teeth?
*** Strictly speaking, both the Piccolo feast and the Piccolo fish thing are pure anime ''filler''. No Namekian is ever shown eating or even drinking in the Dragon Ball manga. That's what makes the mention of food especially incongruous.
** Maybe he was using "food" as a synonym of "things you need to swallow to survive", meaning that Yunzabit is poor in water too (it was a desert area, after all).
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*** He was Frieza's second-in-power and only henchman with a six-figure power level, and presumably [[Asskicking Equals Authority|second-in-command]]. Ginyu also seemed to idolize Frieza and was actually [[Lawful Evil|quite loyal to him]].
**** He's not Frieza's second-in-power, he works for King Cold. Presumably both Cooler and King Cold would murder the shit out of him if they found out he pulled a stunt like that.
**** Common question on most peoples DBZ Problem Lists but actually it's not that hard to work out. Ginyu doesn't gain any of the knowledge or abilities of his new host, only the raw power of their base form. He was outmatched by Vegeta because he didn't know how to use the Kaioken or the Kamehameha and he couldn't fly or fight the others as Bulma because she probably has the basic human power level of 5. Now when it comes to Frieza, although he has massive raw ki, his true power comes from his ability to transform (which Ginyu most certainly knows about) and his ability to destroy planets (which Ginyu doesn't know how to use the technique.) in this situation King Cold in his stage two transformation would easily kick stage one Frieza's ass. Also Ginyu seems perfectly happy to be a mercenary/Frieza Delta Force type of guy, he doesn't WANT the tyrant lifestyle Frieza has.
* Why does every being in the universe except the Namek Dragon understand Japanese/English?
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** There are several possibilities: a star system caught in the gravitational pull of a hypergiant might get this effect, if it's not too badly scrambled. This would also explain the disaster only Guru survived as a solar wind from the hypergiant. Or reflective particles in the atmosphere, conducting light like ''all'' atmospheres distribute heat.
*** Sorry to burst your bubble, but the disaster is explicitly stated to have been a massive drought.
** Not only [[A Wizard Did It|do some of the Namekians (like the one that revived their planet and race from scratch) have magic powers]] they have [[MacGuffin|magic balls with magic powers.]] [[
* When Frieza has his 3 top henchmen killed (Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon), has several mooks killed, and knows Vegeta has his dragon balls and is allied with 2 fairly strong earthlings (Gohan and Krillin), then why does he call his elite soldiers, the Ginyu Force, instead of just going and dealing with it himself? According to Frieza himself, even in his most basic and weak form, has a powerlevel of 530,000 , which is over ten times stronger then Vegeta was at the time. I know he is lazy, but can't he just spare five minutes to walk out, execute Vegeta with one punch, and go back to his ship and skip the whole "call the Ginyu Force" step?
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* It kind of bugs me how Krillin's Power Level (on Namek) goes from 13,000 (after Guru unlocks it) to 75,000 when he's preparing to fight Freeza.
** Guru is just that good. He is unlocking potential - meaning its making you as strong as you possibly can be at that point in time. Krillin apparantly wasn't training anywhere near hard enough.
*** Regardless of the Daizenshuu rankings, manga Kuririn never indicated that he was anywhere near 75,000 on Namek and no PL readings were given for him in the series after the Guru power up. At his strongest, he was strong enough to fight evenly with Ginyu in Goku's body (who had a PL of around 23,000 at the time) and get himself casually stomped almost to death by Recoome. Meanwhile, Ginyu estimated that a PL of 60,000 would have let Goku be sufficiently powerful to decimate the of the Ginyu squad combined (sans the Captain himself, obviously) as he did.
* DBZ. Frieza blows up planet Vegeta. This somehow kills all but 4 (or so) Saiyans. Wait, what? Culturally, Saiyans are ''space warriors''. They have teams of soldiers on planets throughout the galaxy. Heck, they even send their infants out into space to cause trouble. Do Saiyans have [[No Ontological Inertia]]? Did Invasion Team #252 just ''vanish'' when their home planet exploded? Was there a holiday on planet Vegeta that ALL Saiyans were required to attend, despite multi-year travel times?
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** Thing is unless Saiyans were a very very small race there should have been hundreds if not thousands that were off planet at the time. Clearly for example they knew WHERE to find Goku and decided not to. I know Frieza was a scary guy but when he mysteriously stopped sending children into space some extreme panic should have taken place.
*** Don't quote me on this, but I think I remember it being specifically stated that the Saiyans were very few in number and the only reason they were able to overthrow the Tuffles was because of their Oozaru form.
**** I do remember somewhere in either the manga or the anime that Vegeta states the Saiyans were always low in numbers. So it's not hard to imagine most Saiyans were home on Vegeta when the planet went boom and Freeza could have had the rest they believed to be threats hunted down like Bardock's crew.
** But then again, who's stopping you (or ''anyone'') from writing a fanfic about [[Original Character|your own fan-made Saiyan(s)]] who were off-planet at the time? I know that's been used many, [[Department of Redundancy Department|many]], [[Rule of Three|MANY]] times, but still. Personally, I've always ''loved'' seeing "surviving Saiyan" OC's to this day, [[Discredited Trope|discredited]] or not.
*** Fanfiction isn't canon, so it wouldn't answer any questions and not everyone likes writing (or even reading) fanfiction.
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**** Goku also could have picked it up from hanging out with King Kai. You know, the guy who can talk to people telepathically while on the other side of the galaxy, in another dimension?
**** Muffin Button
*** Goku never really had a reason to use it again. He was present from the start for the Cell and Buu sagas so he didn't need to mindread anyone to catch up with them. Besides, in addition to having four telepathic teachers, his best move involves telepathically requesting ki from every person, animal, plant and rock (and possibly star) in a planet or solar system.
*** Goku (and Vegeta) did use the technique again while in Super Buu's body to read the restrained fat Buu's mind, although, not having read the manga, I'm unsure if that's canon or not.
**** Not canon, anime-only scene.
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* I know we didn't see the entire planet of Namek but did we see ANYTHING that suggested that Namekians could build space ships? They looked like a bunch of farmers who couldn't possibly have built the vessel that brought the Namek to Earth.
** This was explained on screen. The planet Namek suffered a cataclysmic event that killed off the entire race except Guru and the Nameless Namek. The Namek used the last surviving ship to travel to Earth and Guru got pregnant and repopulated the Namek race. In other words, their advanced industrial civilization ended that day to be replaced with a primitive agricultural society.
** And that cataclysm destroyed absolutely everything? I might not be able to build a car from scratch but given the sheer number of cars on the planet I'm confident I could piece one back together. For that matter we still have ruins of dead societies today that were presumably build with less durable stuff than a space faring nation would have had. I'm not saying I could get back into space by piecing together what's lying around but I bet I could figure out a flash light and a car unless this "cataclysm" was pissed off Frieza intentionally destoying every library and computer it doesn't make sense that they hadn't at least gotten back to industrial era.
*** As unrealistic as it is, it is still the official reason for their lack of technology is that they suffered an extinction level event that destroyed their civilization and killed off all but two Namekians. One possible hand wave is that the Namek race was never a particularly large one from what we've seen; they never needed large cities or the infrastucture that goes with over-population. Also, whilst we have clear evidence the Namekians were ahead of us in the space race, it is conceivable the Nameless Namek's spaceship was one-of-a-kind and thus is the reason why he was the only one to evacuate the planet.
*** It's just a matter of priorities. Their current population is tiny and their planet is a wreck. They don't plan to go anywhere for a while, so what's the point of building one. Not to mention if they need one that badly, they can always just get the Dragon Balls together and wish for one, so they consciously don't want one or they'd have it.
*** Just seems like just like the pyramids this stuff should have been just lying around. Also the species was nearly driven to extinction two hundred years ago right? We are supposed buy that the Namek who became Kami and Picolo and Guru were the sole survivors. At the same time Raditz instantly recognizes Picolo as a Namek? Gotta say this sounds like one of those times when Akira-sama simply didn't know what was happening with his own story.
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* Freeza's something of an expert at blowing up planets right? So what was the reason given for his botched attempt at destroying Namek?
** As Goku himself said, Freeza was scared that he would be caught in the blast, the whole reason he left 5 minutes for it to blow up was so he could beat Goku and then escape (Since he couldn't control his 100% final form for long)
*** Actually, it was Freeza who said that. Goku retorted that Freeza really just wanted to fight the Legendary Super Saiyajin (semi-)fairly, and had held back subconsciously so that he could do that; Goku said that if Freeza still really wanted to nuke the planet right away, there was nothing Goku could do to stop him. Freeza's responding smirk, comment that it would be a race to see if it would be Freeza or the exploding planet that killed Goku first (implying that he would be fighting Goku when the planet blew up, if it came to that), and relative lack of damage from being caught with almost no power on the planet when it finally blew up, all seem to back up Goku's assessment.
* Vegeta explains that the battle suits worn by Frieza's army can grow to any size, as was shown when Vegeta grew into a giant ape. Then in the very next moment Vegeta states the only new model suits left were too small for him. Did someone throw an [[Idiot Ball]] at him?
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*** Unlikely, but maybe the newer models didn't have "the fit any size" feature. Not a good excuse though.
* Since the Destructo Disc is shown to be effective on Frieza why didn't Krillin cut Frieza to bloody ribbons immediately following the solar flare instead of rushing off to get Vegeta?
** I can't remember but I think that might have been filler, and obviously they can't kill the main villain in filler. It's still kind of bothersome though as to why Krillin never did that at all, he could have done it to Dodoria too.
*** No, Krillin cutting off Freeza's tail is in the manga. I guess the Z fighters fight way too clean to consider using that sort of tactic. Cell, on the other hand...
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** We have to get one fact straight here: Bardock wasn't a good guy, he wasn't a hero, he was as evil as the rest of them. What changed him ''slightly'' was the madness that came with knowing Frieza was going to kill them all. The wish itself was phrased ''Frieza and his henchmen on Planet Namek to be brought back from the dead'' meaning that the Saiyans were straight out of luck both having died on their own planet and being out the Dragon's canonical 1 year time limit. As for the random minions? Toriyama forgot about them/didn't deem them worthy enough to be included.
*** Considering how badly they manage to twist the rules it's a minor miracle that the Ginyu Force didn't get wished back. I mean if Guru dying of a broken heart qualifies him as someone Frieza killed I don't see why Frieza specifically calling you to a planet and putting you in a situation that causes you to perish doesn't count as Frieza killed you.
**** This is addressed in the manga during a conversation between Kaioh-sama and Kami-sama. The Dragon Balls can only revive people who have been dead a year or less; so no Saiyajins. The dead minions were anime only. As for the Elder Namekian, Kaioh asks if it is possible to revive somebody who died of old age to which Kami answers no. Then he asks “what if his lifespan was shortened by the appearance of an evil being?”; Kami ponders for a second before answering “it is possible”.
* Something came to mind when re-watching Frieza saga through DBZ Kai. Why the hell did Dende and Nail suggest to use the dragon balls to make Vegeta and Krillin/Gohan's wishes when they would never be able to summon the dragon balls in the first place when neither one of them could speak fluid Namekian at that point? Maybe that's what Guru suggested when he told Nail to go help his friends fight off the Ginyu force before turning back around, but I'm not so sure. Nail more or less knew he was sending them into a suicide mission, since Goku was still too far away to help anyone, nor did anyone think he was strong enough to take on the Ginyu force.
** Come again? I'm not sure what you're asking. Anyway, it seems Guru was not seriously intending that the earthlings would get their wish. It was only when he realized how big a threat Freeza really was that he changed his mind and sent Dende to show them how it was done. Krillin was heading back to ask Guru the same thing, and he and Dende met halfway, on with the story.
* Ok, was working on a response to an argument on the general [[Dragon Ball
** 1.2 million would only put Goku just above 2nd Form frieza but he was able to block final form friezas death beams, he was around 3 million, they battled for a while and then Frieza went 50% and battered Goku with King Kai stating that even Kaioken times 10 wasn't helping so Goku increased his Kaioken to 20 times making 3 million 60 million and equaling 50% Frieza, then Spirit Bomb and then Super Saiyan which is a x50 increase to 150 million, beating Frieza's 100% 120 million. There is nothing which states Frieza was stronger, he only got in a couple of good hits and any parts where Frieza was beating goku was anime only; goku later states that he was holding back to test Frieza's power and out of fear of wrecking the planet while others were still on it, DBZ is a manga about fighting and power, Goku becomming the legendary strongest fighter in the universe wouldn't work narratively if he only won cause the real strongest in the universe got tired, he beat him because he was the main character and finally became the strongest there was.
** It's pretty much stated both dialogue and in what we visually see that Super Saiyan Goku ''wasn't'' as strong as 100% Frieza. Goku had only two advantages in that fight 1) 100% power put extreme strain on Frieza's body. It wasn't that Goku was getting stronger that allowed him to fight evenly it was because Frieza was getting weaker - remember that 100% power wasn't a transformation; it was just Frieza straining harder and harder in order to maximize the power of his fourth form whereas Goku was using the strength granted to him by his transformation which gave him a key edge. 2) Frieza's ego and common sense. If Frieza fought like a professional; methodically analysing Goku's strategy and techniques and not letting his emotions get the better of him he wouldn't have make catastrophic mistakes such as not killing Goku when he first encountered him or by throwing two telepathically controlled Destructo Disks against an enemy who has proven on numerous occasions already that he prefers evasion over a head on fight. Goku didn't need to be stronger against a guy who is so headstrong he is willing to attack a Super Saiyan whilst missing ''half his body.''
** What's with the 1% thing? It's ''never'' mentioned in the manga. As a matter of fact, Freeza clearly stated that he used roughly '''50%''' of his power to trash Goku (he probably used a bit more to survive the Kaiohken 20x and the Spirit Bomb). SSJ Goku's power was ''at least'' close to that of 100% Freeza.
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== Android/Cell Saga ==
* King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory were killed in Cell's destruction of the Kai planet, same as Goku, yet they weren't revived when the wish to bring back all those killed by Cell was made. What gives?
** Goku says King Kai could be revived but decided to stay dead in order to show him around. And apparently people can decide whether to be affected by a wish or not (such as when Goku refused to return to Earth after the Namek saga)
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* Vol 19, something's off about Trunks' afterstory. Cell's reason for coming to our timeline was because the androids were missing in his, right? But right before Future Trunks fights him, they have the following exchange.
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Trunks: Oh? Then where are they now?
Cell(shocked): !!
Cell: ...You don't mean...You destroyed them? }}
** In other words, Cell didn't learn the androids were missing until ''after'' he tried to kill Trunks and take his time machine. But why would he try to go back in the past unless he knew the androids were missing already? Why wouldn't he try to assimilate the weaker future androids? Can anyone say "Plot hole"?
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* Android Saga. Right before they enter the Dr. Gero's cave, Krillin divides the six Senzu beans between himself, Picollo and Tien. After the Battle Royal (No Match for the Androids), Krillin again has all six Senzu beans.
** That may be an [[Adaptation
* Why didn't Goku just teleport back to Earth before Cell exploded?
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**** There are bound to be timelines where Dabra never joined Babidi, as well as timelines where Dabra killed the Androids. The multiverse is infinite.
* Dr. Gero is shocked when Goku and Vegeta go SSJ. The explaination given is that Dr. Gero wasn't monitering them in space. But wait, didn't Trunks go SSJ on earth in his fight with Frieza? Goku too?
** He never ''saw'' Goku do it, and he certainly never saw Vegeta doing it. He probably thought it was an ability unique to that Trunks person.
** Dr. Gero explicitly states that by the time Goku went off to space he had ended surveillance, since he had formed a method of calculating the future rate of everyone's power increase and considered further surveillance unnecessary and a potential security risk.
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* How is it possible for '''nobody''' to figure out Trunks is Vegeta and Bulma's Child? He comes from the future, Goku is dead due to an illness, Gohan is too young to conceive anyone, and no other saiyans have appeared from space. He has the same haircolor as Bulma (manga), he is wearing a CC jacket, and has a time machine. They both live in the same house. Even the two of them don't put it together until they see him again -- despite having a lookalike baby! How can people be this clueless? It just bugs me.
** I assume you mean after Trunks reappears when the Androids emerge. Up to that point, only Goku and Piccolo knew Mirai Trunks' name and origins. And once Piccolo blurts out his name, Vegeta rapidly puts two and two together (and bashes himself for not seeing it sooner). Also don't forget Vegeta thought he was lying about being a Saiyan. Not to mention everyone was too busy acting on Trunks' warning (training and such) to put much thought into Trunks' lineage.
*** Right, like it is the *name* that makes it obvious. Sure, they are in training, but I'm sure they take a break to eat every once in a while. Dude comes from the future and nobody spends a few minutes to speculate? Not to mention Bulma isn't training, and she is supposed to be pretty clever -- yet she didn't figure it out, given she is shocked when Goku knows his name.
**** Well, keep in mind one important fact: With the exception of Bulma, they're all single-minded idiots. Bulma probably never gave it a second thought until Mirai Trunks reappeared.
*** But was anyone really ''trying'' to figure out Trunks' "identity"? He's a heroic young Saiyan from the future, apparently Future Bulma sent him back in time, there we go. They were more worried about the whole "all of you died in my future" message he'd given them, and without the benefit of hindsight, Trunks could've come from anywhere: yet another long-lost Saiyan who'd arrived on Earth, Future Bulma's attempt to artificially concieve or clone a Saiyan using Goku or Gohan's DNA, a younger child that Goku and Chi Chi had before he died (Goten didn't exist yet, so Trunks could've been Gohan's younger brother as far as they knew - remember, kids in real life don't always look like their parents, and who knows how [[You Gotta Have Blue Hair]] genetics works), and so on. For what it's worth, a lot of non-spoiled fans at the time were surprised, and they had a better perspective on the mystery than the characters themselves.
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** Gohan is ''ten years old'' at most when Trunks first appears with his warning of the future, man! He's still a child!
*** He's 10 chronologically at the end of the Cell Saga, making him ''7'' when Trunks comes back with the warning.
*** Which makes it even ''worse''!
** The reason they didn't figure it out, despite having a look-a-like baby is because it's quite a leap to assume that just because your baby has the same eye and hair color as the strange time-traveler from the future, that your baby is him as an adult; and like another Troper said, before Mirai Trunks' return, only Goku and Piccolo knew who he really was. They ''may'' have speculated where this guy came from, but it must've happened off-screen.
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*** In the timeline where Cell killed him, that's what happened. He went to the past, got the remote, went back to the future, used the remote, and then Cell kills him, since he didn't go through all that extra training. [[All There in the Manual]].
* Okay, the timelines thing with Trunks. If he can go back to his own future to kill Cell, then his timeline is stable. But he kills Cell before he can go back in time in the first place, the Cell saga never happens. So we've got Cell in the future, dead. Cell in the present, dead. If it was possible for Trunks to get back to his own timeline, then how could he kill Cell before Cell went back, with the powers he gained training to fight Cell-in-the-past? To add yet another complication, this troper has also heard the interpretation of onscreen events as Cell killing Trunks to steal the time machine before he can go back the first time, but Trunks kills Cell before Cell can kill pre-travel future Trunks abnd get the time machine, but if he hadn't he shouldn;t bein the past. but since he did, Cell shouldn't be in the past, so [[Timey
** Because the timelines have already been set and can't be altered. At this point, a third timeline had been created (where the main Cell came from) and couldn't be written out of existence. Trunks himself stated that what happened in other timelines couldn't affect the other ones, as we see him and Krillin destroy present Cell, yet the main Cell still exists. When he returns to his future, the events in the main timeline haven't altered his, further confirming his statements.
** There are three independent timelines. There is the main one, there is a second one where Cell kills Trunks and goes back in time into the main timeline (ultimately becoming perfect Cell), and there is a third one where future Trunks goes back in time into the main timeline, then returns and kills the Cell of his timeline before he can steal the time machine from him. The main timeline's Cell was killed before he was even born (lol aborted). All timelines are independent; changing something in one doesn't affect anything in the other ones, so everything is accounted for.
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** I alwasy assumed that 17 and 18 were stored in Cell's body just like in Buu's; shrunken and fully intact. They were probably stored in his lower body which actually makes sense as he vomited her up (she was near the stomach). When Cell grew giant they grew proportionally (to their normal sizes) and the rest is history.
* Why didn't Trunks just go one day back in time, get his past self to join him, and repeated the process many times over to create an army of Trunks to easily defeat the androids? Or, more seriously, gone back further and stopped Dr. Gero? Were his actions really optimal decisions?
** For one, because the time machine only had so much juice in it and being jury-rigged from the start, he didn't know how many jumps he had. For another, he had no idea where Dr. Gero was hiding.
*** Stopping Dr. Gero doesn't work because all the timelines are independent. Sure, he might save some other timeline from having to deal with the Androids, but it doesn't do anything to help his world.
* Ok, this just bugs me. If Goku was able to grow his tail back in Dragon Ball, how did they get rid of the tails forever in Dragon Ball Z?
** "Official" according to the Toriyama interview in the first issue of US Shonen Jump:
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** Toriyama bullshitting as usual (and ignoring the fact that Goku trained his tail to overcome that weakness), but there you have it.
** [[A Wizard Did It]]?
** By the same process which restored the moon between Roshi blowing it up and Piccolo blowing it up?
*** The Wizard in either case being Kami (who permanently removed Goku's tail and restored the moon). More plausible in-story reason: Maybe once you are past puberty it is impossible to grow it back. Why Trunks, et. al. tails never grew back, I'm not sure. Cauterization? Maybe removing it at birth makes it less likely to grow back?
**** Maybe half-saiyan tails don't grow back? Vegeta didn't want the tail post-Frieza in case it interfered with becoming a super sayan, and he's Just That Badass?
***** Gohan's a half-saiyan and his tail grew back like five times.
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* It's a minor point but when Goku comes back to Earth in his spaceship after Trunks killed Freeza he '''A:''' says he knew what was happening, and would have used his new teleport technique to come back to earth immediately if he hadn't been sure Trunks could have handled it. '''B:''' explains his teleport technique as being able to move at the speed of light, quoting the actual speed (at least in the dub, don't know about the original) '''C:''' says he came back from training on a planet millions of lightyears away. As in, it would take millions of years to reach this planet at the speed of light, but his ship did it in a year or so. But even though the ship didn't make it to earth before Freeza did, he could've teleported and arived in time. Calling a [[You Fail Astronomy Forever]] seems a bit redunant at this point.
** It's a minor [[Dub
* After Future Gohan loses his arm, why doesn't Bulma just build him a new mechanical one? She's supposedly a genius with technology.
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* How the hell did Dr Gero ''get'' the DNA of every single Z fighter and their enemies, including alien warlords and all?
** His mosquito-like spybots took blood just like the real insect, and just like the real insect, they were too small for the characters to notice, especially when the characters were busy with the person trying to kill them. Frieza and Cold were likely bitten while they were on Earth and busy with Trunks.
*** Which is weird because Dr. Gero says he ended surveillance shortly before Goku left for Namek.
*** Some of his bugs were still around, though. Goku is shown destroying one after Gero tells him about them.
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* How the hell does no one recognize any of the Z fighters during the broadcast of the Cell Games? Goku is a former World Champion, Yamcha, Krillin, and Tien were all competitors in the Tenkaichi Budokai, Piccolo should be still recognized as Ma Junior, and Vegeta was televised when the Saiyans attacked. Just because of different hair and eye color, nobody thinks that the dude wearing the exact same uniform as the former World Champion could possibly be him?
** An old couple do regognize Goku as "Chichi's husband" and the King (The dog guy) also recognises him, as for everyone else, it's probably the hair that threw them off, by the time Hercule came into the scene I doubt Goku was publicized much so no one had really seen his face for a long time. As for Yamcha, Krillin, Piccolo and Tien, I don't think the Camera was ever focused on them (I could be wrong) plus in the 23rd budokai no one realized it was Piccolo until his Turban came off... Vegeta being televised was only in the Anime.
** This is in fact a [[Plot Hole]]. There is no reason why this was ommitted from the Plot Hole section on this website. Ki attacks and flying are world famous in ''Dragon Ball'' and it is absolutely ludicrous they would ever forget. They would have had to destroy every single record or altered it in some [[Nineteen Eighty
** Well it was roughly twenty years in between the 23rd Budokai Tenkaiichi tournament and the Cell Games so it isn't all that surprising that people forgot. Same reason Hercule was able to convince people that Ki blasts, etc. were 'tricks'. That and the rare few who CAN use Ki energy are content to be annonymous. And finding people who can use them is hard if you don't have the resources to find them. and convincing them to teach you is even harder.
* Why didn't Cell use Instant Transmission to escape Gohan's final Kamehameha?
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* When Cell killed Trunks in the third timeline, why did he go to the first timeline? Shouldn't he have gone to the fourth timeline (an unseen one) as that was where third timeline Trunks was going?
** Time travel plots rarely make sense, even the ones that are written well.
*** The first IS the "fourth" timeline. It's in their history that Cell came to their timeline, it's part of their timeline. The multiverse is infinite so there are millions of Cells that jumped into other timelines as well.
*** Because Cell goes back to a different year: 1 year before Future Trunks arrives. Meaning, he's basically interfering with the Original Timeline (Cell's Timeline: the one he just came from.) The reason the Main Timeline comes about is because BOTH Cell and Future Trunks wind up time travelling to it.
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* How the hell does Imperfect Cell get so stupidly powerful after absorbing humans? When regenerated Piccolo first fights Cell, he's shown to be much more powerful, but Cell absorbs a few humans and then is able to crush Piccolo AND Android 17 in their second battle. True, Piccolo was weakened, but Android 17 was shown to be about the same strength, and he NEVER runs out of energy. In the first power level reading, it's of a farmer, who has a power of 5. So most humans have a power level of about 5, but Piccolo was as strong or even stronger than a Super Saiyan at that point, which had a power level way up in the high millions...And, if Cell could absorb weaklings and get so strong, couldn't he have absorbed a Z-Fighter or something all those times his opponent was stronger? Would've come in WAY handy against Gohan...
** Absorbing strong people was more work than he wanted to put in. He went for quantity instead of quality. Also it's likely the power inside him wasn't a 1-1 correlation, but instead grew exponentially by the number of people he absorbed.
*** A few people? He ''annihilated'' several cities, so, depending on their size, he could have absorbed something over a million people at that point.
**** The average population for a city in the US is 6545 people (281,421,906 spread over 43,000 towns/cities) and the average power level of an ordinary human (based on Raditz's Scouter) is 5. This means that Cell, on average, experienced a 32,725 fold increase in power upon successfully destroying each city. However, that is not the full story because it has often been noted that Cell's aura resembles a Super Saiyan (which given how Gero collected Frieza and King Colds cells at the same time Trunks and Goku went Super Saiyan it is highly likely he collected Super Saiyan DNA). Given the 50X multiplier Super Saiyan provides, his power increase per city increases from 32,725 to 1636250 - or in other words one Final Form Frieza per city (which given Cell's massive improvement over Piccolo the second time they fought, that figure would seem almost exactly right). It is also worth noting that according to Raditz, Roshi has a power level of 139. Now, Roshi is by every definition a superhuman, but we know from the original ''Dragon Ball'' (namely the World Martial Arts Tournaments and the Red Ribbon Saga) a fighter with even a basic level of martial arts and/or ki training is capable of reaching power levels around the 100 mark. If Cell absorbed enough reputable fighters you could happily multiply my estimate above by tens of thousands.
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* According to Future Trunks, Goku in his timeline died of heart disease even before the androids attacked. Question: why didn't they use the Dragon Balls to either cure him or resurrect him? Huh?
** Earth's Dragon Balls have many restrictions. They can't grant the same wish twice, they can't revive someone who died more than a certain amount of time ago, and, most relevant to this case, they can't revive anyone that died of natural causes. Disease is natural, unfortunately.
*** What about curing the disease ''before'' it kills him? Also at that point they just came back from Namek so they know about and have access to the Namekian Dragon Balls.
**** The disease seemed to have a pretty rapid onset, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume that finding the Dragon Balls would have taken too long (sure, they can fly now, but they'd still probably have to do people a bunch of favors to actually ''get'' the damn things like the first few times around). As for the Namekian ones: Yes, they were aware that they still had them, but they had ''no idea'' where the Namekians were (Goku had to go to Kaio-sama to figure that one out) and, even if they did, there was no way to get there in time -- what with the one guy that can instantly get to wherever he wants being at death's door and all.
**** If you recall, it took over a month for them to actually reach Namek, and since we don't really know exactly how fast it kills him, we can assume that by the time they got their and made the wish, Goku would have died. Or maybe they were just waiting for him to get better, or for doctors to find a cure - I mean who could have predicted that Goku would have died?
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* After consistently falling short with the creation of the first 16 androids because none of them are evil/obedient/proactive enough to carry out his designs to rule the world and/or destroy Goku… is there a reason why, of all the [[Sunnydale Syndrome|unassuming idiots]] in the ''Dragon Ball'' world for Dr. Gero to kidnap and use for his experiments, does he even entertain the thought of going for '''[[The Runaway|the two runaway teenagers]]''', let alone decide that it's a good idea?
** Because when all else fails and you need to pick aid from the general pool of the human population, you [[Recruit Teenagers
* In the anime I don't think Trunks ever specificly says what numbers the androids are in his timeine (I may be wrong) but in the manga he says they are numbers 19 and 20, so if 19 and 20 in his timeline and 17 and 18 in the present, what are the extra 2 Gero built in Trunks timeline? Are they ever mentioned or shown?
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*** The device that deactivates the androids was created by Bulma in THIS timeline. Going to another timeline won't help. Furthermore the whole point of deactivation was to do it BEFORE they were absorbed. Once they'd been absorbed it was already too late.
* This is a problem (I mean improvement) partially with the translation from Japanese to English but if you watch it with the subtitles on or go read the manga Cell can't regenerate from a single cell. He regenerates as long as a certain lump of cells in his head remains intact. Goku blew his head (and everything north of his waist) clear off.
** Only a guess here: maybe that lump is vital only if Cell is disintegrated. "Minor" injuries like the loss of the upper half of the body are recoverable. But yeah, that's a bit of a [[Plot Hole]]...
* The events surrounding Piccolo's defeat at the hands of Cell are bugging me... he has his neck broken with a punch, a hole opened through the chest by an energy wave and is then tossed into the sea; people who witness these events claim that he's dead, Goku says that he can no longer perceive his aura and nobody tries to help him (not even Tien, who's right there). A couple of minutes later Goku teleports and saves an exhausted Tien, but before he can leave, he discovers that not only Piccolo is alive, ''he is even coming out of the water by himself!'' How can he be still alive and capable of that?
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*** In Buu saga, Piccolo explains that he only needs his head to be intact to allow him to regenerate the rest of his body. It shows him doing this after Trunks accidentally dismembered him.
* Why is Gohan during this saga known as Teen Gohan in the video games? He's around 7 at the start and 10 at the end.
** American-induced misnaming. He doesn't even look like a teen, tbh.
* So Goku is dying of a heart virus and the end of the world is approaching. So... what's keeping him from using instant transmission to teleport himself and the entire crew to Namek, gather the Namekian Dragon Balls, have Vegeta vaporize him, then ask Porunga to restore his body (1st wish), petition Lord Enma to have his body reunited with spirit, ask Porunga to bring him back to life (2nd wish), then have Goku teleport back to Namek and bring everybody back to Earth. The Virus was destroyed when Vegeta vaporized him, Goku is back at full health, and received a power boost since he pretty much came back from the dead. Convoluted heart virus subplot resolved, and the subsequent complications are averted.
** So you're saying a plan that requires Vegeta acting out of character (he wants to ''beat'' Goku and wouldn't just kill him if he ''let'' him) and a bunch of back and forths is less "convoluted" than the initial plan of "just take the medicine that you know will cure you when the symptoms start showing up"? Nothing "convoluted", just bad timing.
** I believe that the original poster was referring to the Mirai timeline--y'know, the one where there [[
** He couldn't have been referring to that timeline, because in that timeline Goku was long dead before they even knew the Androids existed, so the end of the world wasn't "approaching."
** Well in the Mirai timeline it was a sudden onset that killed him before anyone realised what the disease was, how it spread etc. So they really didn't have time to go off planet for a cure. In main timeline they also didn't know much about it and were too busy training to really think about saving Goku. Also they didn't know if Goku would get the disease or when, so planning something that convoluted would have been pointless. Also why go too all that trouble for something they couldn't guarantee would work when you had medicine handy that you knew would. Also Vegeta wouldn't kill Goku like that unless it was in a true battle his pried as a True Saiyan Warrior would demand no less than a true match to the death with Goku to see who was truely the best.
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* It is repeatedly stated that androids don't have chi. If that is true, then how can they use [[Ki Attacks]]? I can kinda understand Android 16, since his ki attack is in the form of energy cannons he has for biceps. But 17 and 18 seem to use regular [[Ki Attacks]] like everybody else despite lacking ki. What the hell?
** Well, they are [[Ridiculously
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**** Possibly, but at the time she's shown worrying about money, Goku's been dead for almost a decade. He'll be coming back for a day, but only to take part in the tournament. Plus no one says she has to wish for millions, just enough to get by on so she wouldn't have to worry.
** The Dragon Balls require a long recharge time between uses and can't bring someone back if they've been dead for too long. If something horrible happened within that year that could be solved by an immediate wish but not by a delayed wish or by throwing money at it, the guilt for that would be on Chichi's choulders. Also, she's prideful; she can't ask the dragon for the same reason she can't ask any of the rich people she knows, including (if nothing changed since the first series) her father, the Ox King.
*** As far as her father goes, it's his money they've been spending all along. Neither Chichi nor Goku have ever earned a single zeni in their lives. Well, technically Goku won the Budokai once, but he left before he could collect his prize.
** I don't Chi-Chi is that desperate. I believe that she understands that the Dragon Balls should be available to be used for more important matters.
* His choice to train Uub may be generally noble, but why doesn't Goku just go to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber with him? They can spar without damaging the Earth, and, by the end, Uub will be a man ready to support his family and village, and Goku will return to his own family and friends after a vacation of less than two weeks.
** You mean the hyperbolic time chamber that got destroyed?
** And which Goku has already used up his allotted two days/years per person per life?
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***** His point doesn't stand when you remember that it took Goku ''ten years'' to train Uub. Even with his renewed life, he'd only be able to get two of those ten years done in a couple of days. If they stayed any longer than two days, the door would disappear. Of course, with the existence of the Dragon Balls, Goku could've just had some friends wish him and Uub out of the room after ten days, assuming that's possible...
**** [[Wild Mass Guessing|The writers supported]] [[Die for Our Ship|Pan/Trunks?]]
** Doubt it, Toriyama wasn't involved in GT and there is no way he planned this in his long awaited conclusion of the story.
*** In any case the ROSAT was never Goku's first choice of training locations. He only used it because of time constraints during the Cell Saga. In this case he's in no hurry - plus Uub might need to enter the ROSAT one day for an emergency, much better to save it for then.
* Also, Goku was very reckless in getting Uub to shout "yeah!" in the final episode of the anime. The excitement could have been enough to awaken Uub's full sonic potential, and Uub is the reincarnation of the loudest being in the history of the universe.
** That's like saying it's dangerous to let Goten stick out his hand because of all the energy blasts fired from it. If he was angry enough? Hole in reality. But that needed ''serious'' rage.
**** Another point on this; Goku explained numerous times that he, Vegeta, and the rest of the fighters were getting up there in age. He felt that the world would still get attacked by threats. The impression I got is that part of it was to train somebody to protect the world for the day where he and his friends wouldn't be around to do it anymore.
* Just noticed something in the Buu Saga. When Goku and Vegeta fuse into Vegetto, they toy with Buu in order to get him to absorb them so they can rescue their kids and Piccolo. But at that point they were already planning to use the Dragon Balls to revive their dead friends. So why not just kill Buu on the spot instead of dilly-dallying and then just revive everyone all at once?
** Because at that point, trying to bring back the people Buu had absorbed (not eaten) would have either brought back Buu or done nothing; they were a part of Buu's being, and we've already established that the Dragons can't affect someone stronger than he is against their will.
*** They would have all been killed along with Buu, meaning they could be resurrected separately, and there's always the "restore them as they were at so-and-so time" wish. There was no need to take so many risks with Buu when they could have ended the whole thing quickly.
**** Let's not forget that this is the same bunch for whom it never occurred to destroy the Vegeta and Nappa's space pods, stranding them in the vacuum of space, once Sheng Long told them he couldn't directly zap them. Or wish Goku/Gohan/whomever was fighting the Big Bad suddenly had a power boost that would allow them to take down the [[Big Bad Evil Guy]].
***** Ohh, good point. No way Shenlong could have given a power boost to a being more powerful than him (his usual excuse) beyond refilling their energy, but destroying the space pods is a brilliant idea! ...which is why they didn't think of it.
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**** Even though the whole "them being a part of Buu at the time" thing is a good reason, it kind of fails when you take into account that they were able to bring back #17, who was a part of Cell at the time, perhaps even more so than the ones Buu absorbed.
***** Even more so? Buu's insides are a dimension of their own with warped physics that caused Vegetto, which was SUPPOSED to be a permanent fusion, to defuse. I'm going with the "absorbed people are too firmly integrated into Buu to be removed by any means save going in and doing it from the inside," and it seems plausible enough that even death wouldn't be enough to extricate them from Buu. Cell didn't really get shown having a very firm grasp on the androids he absorbed-hell, punching him hard enough was enough to get #18 free.
****** I thought that part of the fusion process involved a pretty cocky personality to go along with it. Look at how Gotenks toyed with Buu during that fusion. Although the other fusions don't seem to have this, such as Kibito Kai.
****** Goten and Trunks were cocky enough to begin with, the fusion didn't change a thing.
****** Maybe it's just a Saiyan thing?
****** Vegetto wasn't cocky, he was obviously playing the whole time so Buu would try to absorb him, the fact he almost flat out tells Buu to use it on him makes it obvious.
****** Hell, Vegetto's reaction when Buu starts trying to absorb him was to think something along the lines of, "Took him long enough to realize that I'm open for that." It's arguable that we never actually saw Vegetto's real personality during his entire fight.
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** Think of it this way: Majin Buu had all the power-boosting-but-behavior-altering good guys absorbed inside him, isolated. He split, ''a la'' Kami. Evil Buu absorbed Mr. Buu. Evil Buu got Mr. Buu's power without the behavior-alterations, thus the changed color
** Think of it this way: Majin Buu had all the power-boosting-but-behavior-altering good guys absorbed inside him, isolated. He split, ''a la'' Kami. Evil Buu absorbed Mr. Buu. Evil Buu got Mr. Buu's power without the behavior-alterations, thus the changed coloration but unchanged personality. Buu being made of [[Applied Phlebotinum|Phlebotinum]], he took a shape much more suitable for fighting than Fat Buu had. Theories for why Evil Buu became Kid Buu follow:
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'''B.''' Akira Toriyama was way past caring at this point and just wanted to mess with your heads.<br />
'''C.''' The animators made a coloring error, making Kid Buu pink instead of grey, and Kid Buu is basically the same as Evil Buu but taking a shape more suitable for fighting someone who isn't Fat Buu. Plus he's seen [[The Incredibles]] and figured out that capes are a bad idea. }}
** Continuing from above: To figure out why Kid Buu was reincarnated as Uub, you need to think on this: Goku can tell the entire hierarchy of Otherworld to shove it and they'd have no choice but to comply. Kid Buu gave Goku a run for his money, plus he can teleport across dimensions, so there's no real way to make sure he actually ''stays'' in Otherworld, or keep him from leveling the place. Goku had his quota one brilliant idea per twenty years and suggested that reincarnating Kid Buu as a helpless infant would either get him turned good or make him an HFIL of a lot easier to kill, and the guys in charge agreed. Keep in mind that Mr. Buu had been pulled out of Kid Buu by then, and was still living separately, the same way Kami and Piccolo had. Just like Piccolo Jr. not having the same personality as Piccolo Daimao (personal opinion not really backed up by canon, but killing Goku once in revenge, then having a [[Heel Face Turn]] could well be any child's reaction to having his admittedly evil father killed) Uub developed his own personality and turned out okay.
*** Anime Filler and GT aside, DB actually explains their views on the afterlife quite clearly. Enmadaiou has a book, where everyone is listed according to their Karma. If their Karma lists them as "good", they go to heaven. As a subset of that, abnormally heroic figures get to keep their bodies. Those deemed "bad", get reincarnated -- during a process where they lose their bodies, their souls are systematically cleansed and their identity is destroyed (this happens in Hell) and they are reincarnated. This is what Piccolo (who was GOD, and knows such things) explains will happen to Vegeta when he dies. Goku, having been to the afterlife and friends with several dieties, knows this is how it works, and asks as a special favor that Buu be reincarnated in Earth. Uub has his own personality because he *is* is own personality. Personality doesn't remain during reincarnation.
**** Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
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** Did you see how terrified Supreme Kai was over Vegeta going one on one with Pui Pui? Personally think the Supreme Kai was lying, exagerating, mistaken or referencing his power millions of years ago when he claimed he could one shot Frieza. Nothing he demonstrates supports his claim.
* To my understanding, Goku left to train Uub because the Z Fighters were getting old, and he wanted someone to succeed them. However, by this this point he's got all of Old Kai's lifespan, which is enough to gurantee he'll out live everyone except maybe Popo and Buu, possibly Dende and Piccolo. So why didn't he spend as much time as he could with his family, considering he'll still be alive when their dead and thus have plenty of time to train a successor.
** Dude can teleport and fly at super-speed. His sons can at least do the latter, and his wife is probably strong and fast enough to run there in a few minutes (going by how she trained Goten to his early Buu saga levels). GT aside, he can spend as much time with them as he wants and vice-versa, and he's really looking forward to having a duel with Buu where the latter isn't completely psychotic.
** Goku's reasons for training Uub were as much having a succesor, as having his rematch with the reincarnation of Buu. Also something to do with keeping an eye in with the reincarnation of the most powerful being in the universe, and making sure he turns good so it's all worth it in the end.
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* In the beginning of the Buu saga Vegeta belives Gohan was killed by Buu. Due to his claim the others believe this as well. A short time later Bulma makes a wish on the Dragon Balls to bring back everyone killed. Gohan had not been killed/revived before by the dragon. Even if he ''had'' died he would have been brought back. Why did they still believe he was dead!?
** This one bugs me too. If at least they had a [[Hand Wave]] of "Hey, we can't feel his ki, that means he must be dead!" (But he's actually at the Kaiohshin's planet), it would make some sense. But instead, they just assumed he got [[Killed Off for Real]] when it was impossible for him to be so.
*** The only way it could make sense if if they thought that Gohan had been fatally wounded, but still hung on long enough until after the wish was made, and only then died.
* Okay, so Piccolo destroyed the entrance to the room of space and time to trap Buu inside. Then Buu ripped a hole into space and went back to our side. After 1 or 2 minutes Piccolo and Gotenks manage to come back to our side too, just to see that Buu destroyed Kami's palace and left. So far so good. Only problem would be that 1 day outside equals 1 year inside, making those 1-2 minutes inside the room equal to less than half a second for Buu to destroy the palace and leave.
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* Babidi having Boo kill off Dabra. Okay, so Babidi is childish and stupid. That doesn't stop this from not making ''any frigging sense'':
# If Boo goes rebel (Like he ends doing), only Dabra can hold him long enough for Babidi to [[Sealed Evil in
# If Boo ends in the ball again for whatever reason, Dabra can defend Babidi.
# If an enemy is strong enough to put Boo on a pinch, Dabra can help. (Hey, still better than nothing, and he has that [[Taken for Granite|stoning spit]]...)
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* ...So, all in all, Babidi nabbed himself a [[Combined Energy Attack|Genki Dama]]-sized [[Idiot Ball]] right there.
** Pretty much yeah. Babidi is arrogant, possibly more childish than Buu, and more notably, incredibly short sighted. Remember what he did to Spopovitch and Yamu. They were hit with a massive case of [[You Have Outlived Your Usefulness|outliving their usefulness,]] but after her saw how much energy they collected, he wondered if her had acted rashly. It was the same thing with Dabura. He treats everything like a toy, and once something better comes along, he chucks the old one away. He's was nowhere near as smart as his old man (who was able to control fat buu much better from what we can see). He just doesn't consider the consequences of his actions.
** '''Wrong''': Babidi didn't order Buu to kill Dabra at all. Dabra pissed off Buu by mocking him, then when he regained consciousness after Buu ''casually'' trounced him he thought it was a bright idea to try and backstab Buu (out of loyalty to Babidi), who proceeded to turn eat him without any input from Babidi.
* The fusion dance requires both participants to be the same height, right? But Vegeta's way shorter than Goku. How are they able to use the fusion dance?
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*** Every time the Z-Fighters beat a major villain, they generally make a wish to revive all of said villain's victims.
*** Generally, yes, but 17 specifically ''wasn't revived'' at the end of the Cell Saga. 18 was, but only because she'd been coughed up by Cell earlier in the fight.
**** 17 was revived along with all the other victims of Cell. He is shown to be ''alive'' during the Kid Buu saga, having lived a life in obscurity after his revival. If 17 had been left dead, why would Krillin wish for both of them to be turned into humans again?
*** I distinctly remember in the anime (or at least, the version I saw) that 17 was left out of the revival, and I don't recall him ever being shown in the Buu saga at all.
**** I believe it was a mistake, then. Here's the short clip of 17 during the Kid Buu saga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nadz-fsWYsU Also, every Dragon Ball wiki I have read specifically mentions that he was revived and lived a life as a vagrant in the woods.
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*** We already established that Goku has Instant Teleportation, AND that he can take Trunks with him. At the speed Buu was traveling and with Goku's abilities, Goku and Trunks would have found the radar and been out of there before Buu made it.
*** Let's be honest. What Goku ''really'' wanted to do was fight Buu. He probably wanted to test his full strength against Buu once, then see how the boys would compare against him, since the stakes were too high with Buu. There's also the fact that Trunks is more familiar with Capsule Corp than Goku since, he's obviously family. Besides in the end, it was in Bulma's flying craft in a capsule.
*** He could teleport there with Trunks, but there was no guarantee that they could find the Dragon Radar before Buu gets there and nukes the place. This way, he can at least hold Buu's attention for as long as it might take Trunks to find it. OTOH, he probably should have teleported Trunks there ''and then'' teleported to Buu, but the Buu saga basically had Goku oscillating from having everything under control to saying/doing completely random things.
* Right before Vegeta sacrifices himself against Buu, he asks Piccolo if he'll be sent to the exact same place as Kakarot. Piccolo tells him no, he's going straight to hell for being such a bad guy. But the thing is, Vegeta has already died once before against Freeza. He should already know where he's going and why, so why ask?
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*** Well the Goten situation is easy to solve: have him and Trunks use potara fusion. And the Chi-Chi/Bulma fusion (Chi-ma? Bulchi?) wouldn't be a ''completely'' different person.
**** This solution is so wrong on so many levels... My best bet is that they'd end up living with Bulma and Chichi would go off and do her own thing. She's far more uptight than Bulma, who would probably accept the situation before too long. She's open-minded (and more than a little perverted).
**** "''And the Chi-Chi/Bulma fusion wouldn't be a completely different person.''" Whilst you are indeed correct in saying that a fusion between Bulma and Chi-Chi would ''technically'' be the same person - in the same way the [[Doctor Who
*** Look to put it simply, there's no way Chichi would ever agree to either fuse with Bulma or accept Vegetto as a husband. Bulma wouldn't want to fuse with Chichi either (Bulma = vain = fact), but she ''may'' find it in her heart (and, ahem, other places) to accept them as a unit. With Goku's Instant Transmission, he can go back to visit his kids any time he wants while living at Capsule Corp. Problem solved.
**** Erm, did we suddenly forget that Chi-Chi is madly in love with Goku? True, she would get very pissed off at him throughout DBZ, but she still very clearly cared about him and in DB, she was obsessed with him. I doubt she'd suddenly not accept Vegito simply because he's not exactly what Goku once was. Hell, I doubt she'd even think that deeply about the fact that Goku technically doesn't exist anymore.
**** Is Chichi really that in love with Goku? It's always seemed more like she was in love with the idea of being in love and getting married, rather than in love with Goku himself.
** Let's see...at the end of the Cell saga, she's crying on the floor when her son informs her that Goku died in the battle. [[Sarcasm Mode|Yeah, that sounds like a woman who doesn't love her husband.]]
** Plus, at the time of Vegetto's fusion, Goku was a widower (as well as Vegeta.) And Vegetto probably figured that Shenron could split him apart.
* How can "Mr Buu" (As some call him) and Kid Buu exist at the same time? Isn't Mr Buu just Kid Buu with the Grand Supreme Kai absorbed? Meaning if you removed the Grand Supreme Kai from Mr Buu you'd have 2 Kid Buu's...
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* If Enma really had the power to re-incarnate villains into good guys, why didn't he do so with every villain the Z fighters killed?
** Wasn't worth the trouble is probably the official reason. Buu was rediculously strong and there is no reason to believe he wouldn't have destroyed the world from the other side had Enma not trapped him the body of a young boy. Unfortunately it's filler but the Ginyu Force, Frieza, King Cold and Cell are all shown as keeping their bodies in hell. Frieza and Cell even get to fight Goku in GT (I know, I know) in the anime Zarbon is the strongest warrior to actually be clensed. Everybody above that says screw that noise and keep their bodies. But none of them were strong enough of crazy enough to try to destoy reality itself. Honestly given what we learn about Other World during the Buu Saga there's not much reason to think that killing Buu would have done more than slow him down for a tick.
*** There's no indication that they haven't. Frieza and Cell may be some sort of freakishly powerful children on a distant planet, and possibly even good guys.
**** It was just a favor to Goku for saving the universe. If for some reason he asked for Frieza to be reincarnated (I expect Vegeta would have something to say about that) he probably would have done it instead.
**** I expect what Vegeta would have to say about that would be something along the lines of "Yes. Bring him back as something I can hit. Repeatedly."
* I think all Dragon Ball Z fans know by now that Hercule Satan is the greatest case of [[Overshadowed
** Quite possibly, yes. It's just that by the point he was introduced Toriyama had moved beyond using power levels for the series (too much trouble, he said), and they never made a reappearance so Hercules never got rated.
** It's not easy, but we could try to quantify Satan's power somehow: for his strength, we know that he had trouble destroying fifteen tiles with one hand, while Goku in his first appearance easily destroyed three slabs of concrete with a finger. The latter sounds way more impressive, I believe. For speed, we definitely know Goku at the 21st tournament was pulling out stuff like triple persistent images, which from what we know, seems way above Satan's league. Same for Roshi, who at the time was essentially the strongest person in the world, who could use several ki techniques and make persistent images like it was nothing. Overall, I severely doubt Satan would be anywhere near their level. Maybe he could deal with Goku in his first appearance, but even then, it's a very strong "maybe". He can definitely deal with the other contestants in the tournament though. Maybe he's close to King Chapa's level. Still, King Chapa was said to have won a torunament without getting hit once, so maybe he's stronger. Anyway, maybe Satan won because there were no other competitors (I guess being defeated twice by Goku, the second time with no effort whatsoever, would have a bad effect on King Chapa's ego, and Nam has no reason to be fighting again after getting his water).
*** You just made me think of something else: What happened to all of the [[Funny Animal|funny animals]]? There were many characters like those in prior series, but, after DBZ, they became scarce and stopped appearing altogether after a certain point. Some of them even fought in the tournaments as well.
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* Goku at Super Saiyan 3 claimed he could have destroyed Kid Buu at full power, but was holding back to give Vegeta a chance? I've heard of [[Idiot Hero]], but this is ridiculous. Goku knows that Vegeta can't beat Buu at all with Super Saiyan 2 so why even throw away his best chances?
* At the part where Goku has to decide to fuse with Dende or Hercule, he decides to go with Hercule because he knows martial arts even though he admits that it would lower his power level by a lot. My question is why would he bother to fuse then. Goku by himself may not have a chance to stop Buu, but he would definately have a better shot by himself than from some weaker fusion form.
** He says he has no idea if he would get strong enough from the fusion, and speculates he may actually become weaker. He doesn't know at all if it's even possible for him to become weaker through potara fusion. He was desperately hoping fusing with Mr. Satan would make him stronger than Boo.
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* How does Super Buu constantly crack his neck despite lacking bones and joints?
** Popping bubbles inside him.
* Why is Chichi so different in how she treated Gohan in comparison to Goten? With Gohan, she was virtually psychotic about his studying and keeping him from fighting at all. With Goten, she even trains him. Could be that she's justed mellowed out but I'm not sure that explains the drastic differences in upbringing.
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*** I think that Gohan is studying of his own accord by that point. [[Chi Chi]] being so obsessed with Gohan's education is something that anyone that's seen Dragonball would agree is something that just came out of nowhere anyway.
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