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Highly debatable, and doesn't really outweigh the monstrosities in any case IMO.
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* [[Dragon Ball Kai/YMMV|Dragon Ball Kai]]
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* [[Alas, Poor Villain]]: {{spoiler|Vegeta's murder at the hands of Freeza.}}
* [[Americans Hate Tingle|Americans Don't Adore Mr. Satan]]: In Japanese polls Mr. Satan typically scores really high; in the Dragon Ball Forever's poll he even beat Roshi, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Bulma, and Yajirobe in that order. In American polls, he ranks considerably lower.
* [[Angst? What Angst?]]: It's impressive how quickly all of the characters get used to the fact that Goku had come back from the dead after seven years in the Buu saga, especially for Goten who until that point had never even ''met'' him.
* [[Anticlimax Boss]]: Despite being hyped up as a huge threat who is even more powerful than his son Frieza, King Cold goes down like a chump against Future Trunks.
* [[Arc Fatigue]]: ''Z'''s sagas in general, though Freeza and Buu were the longest. Buu moreso in the anime, since in the manga, it went by quicker since at that point it was more like ''Series Fatigue'' for Toriyama.
* [[Artistic License: Biology]]: Even if you ignore Cell, most hybrids aren't capable of reaching sexual maturity, so Pan, technically, should not exist. That or Saiyan and humans are genetically similar enough to be the same species, so... probably best not to think about it too much.
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** Practically any of the insert songs from DBZ, such as [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYt9sGOcTU Battle Point Unlimited] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm77VCkf_do Solid State Scouter]
** The first Z movie, ''Return My Gohan! / Dead Zone'': when Goku and Piccolo attack Garlic Jr. together, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0ZglinbEM#t=7m32s you get this] - a mix of Goku's and Piccolo's themes.
** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpkeAQG6kQw Perfect Cell's Theme] also deserves a mention. It sounds like an evil techno/metal fusion. [[Incredibly Lame Pun|How perfect.]]....If only they actually played this version in the show. That said, the version they ''do'' have in the show that loops over and over IS an [[Ear Worm]].
** Hironobu Kageyama's "Unmei no Hi: Tamashii tai Tamashii" (Translated as "Day of Destiny ~Spirit vs Spirit") was played during [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyeud94JnQ Gohan SSJ2 Transformation], and even amongst those who are more familiar and/or prefer the dub appreciate its value.
** Really just another example [[Broken Base]], the various DBZ composers are considered this by their respective fanbases, the original composer [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlenEgnLZPo#t=08s Shunsuke Kikuchi], the Funimation [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92v5Ysik8Wo Falconer Productions] composer team, and even [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhqsTy0W9sk Kenji Yamamoto] who composed ''Kai'', most of the video games, and several insert songs for the original ''Z''.
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** There are many who love Vegeta and his [[Character Development]] and there are also those who think of him as a [[Complete Monster]] who [[Karma Houdini|gets off too easy.]]
* [[Crazy Awesome]]: Gotenks. All the dumb ideas that Goten and Trunks can come up with, without the other one discouraging them.
* [[Complete Monster]]: FreezaFrieza was such a long lasting villain and so irredeemable that prettyhe’s muchone [[Onlyof Mostlythe Dead|dyingmost twice]]memorable andvillains hisin spectacularthe finalseries, deathbeing atresponsible thefor handscommitting ofSaiyan Trunksgenocide is(though quitethey franklywere notevil, painfulthey orwere also loyal to Frieza) and humiliatingenjoying enoughit. His sickening attack on the Namek village attains a level of chilling brutality that few anime have matched since.
** The worst part? He wasn't created to be a monster like Majin Buu and Cell, he did all that on his own free will... for ''planetary real-estate and money.'' Genocide and planet-blasting is [[Nothing Personal]] to him; [[The Godfather|It's just Good Business.]] It also runs in the family; his father King Cold and brother Cooler are no slouches either.
** Of course, the fact that Cell was ''created'' to be a monster doesn't really excuse the despicable things he does. He terrorizes entire villages and towns, often by essentially ''eating'' people with his tail. His [[Moral Event Horizon]] is probably when he {{spoiler|brutally kills the pacifistic Android 16 just to piss off Gohan}}. Also, he wants to destroy the world. It's highly doubtful that Dr. Gero intended ''that'' when he designed him. Then again, going by Cell's statements while monologuing, it's possible that this is indeed what Gero wanted.
** The wizard Babidi killed off his own loyal servants simply because they outlived their usefulness and systematically killed whole cities of people just to lure out the people that injured him. Not to mention the fact that he enjoyed every minute of it.
** Evil Majin Buu, in both his Super and Kid forms. Flashbacks in the anime reveal that his creator Bibidi could barely control him in his original form and upon his return to this state, he gives Goku a nasty knowing little smirk after hearing his desperate pleads not to blow up the Earth ''and then does just that.''
*** To really hammer this one in, Buu turned back into Kid Buu after Goku and Vegeta messed with Buu from the inside. Evil Buu/Super Buu had been a really nasty SOB himself this whole time... and [[Even Evil Has Standards|even he didn't want to revert back to being Kid Buu!]]
** [[Knight of Cerebus|Tao Pai Pai]] is the earliest example in the series, being a [[Psycho for Hire]] [[Serial Killer]] with no empathy or regard for life, only interested in profit and thrills.
** Demon god Demigra of ''Dragonball Xenoverse'' was imprisoned in a crack in time by the Supreme Kai of time. To free himself, he sends out an image capable of acting on the physical plane to cause chaos and distort time. One of the timelines has him brainwashing Piccolo into trying to kill Goten and Trunks. Another has him trying to brainwash Beerus into destroying Earth. After his release, he plans to destroy the universe and reshape it so everything revolves around him.
** Dr. Gero could be called one for being responsible for ''everything'' that goes down in the Cell Saga purely out of hatred. Cell also implies that he may have intended for Cell to destroy existence. In [[Dragon Ball GT]], Gero apparently wanted to replace ''all life'' with artificial beings. And why does he do all this? Pure blind hatred for pretty much everything.
** Broly. In his first movie, we see that he blew up planets as a kid, cackling maniacally, and punching out his father's eye when he was trying to calm him down. Flash forward years later, Broly shoots an energy blast at a group of alien slaves, only to redirect it to their home planet and blows it up, all the while laughing, and he even remarks, ''Oops, did I just blow it up?''. Gohan then sums it up with "He's...pure evil!"
*** [[Freudian Excuse|On the other hand,]] it's heavily implied that the reason for his actions is because he was emotionally and mentally broken from various threatening elements from his birth (being stuck in a room having to endure baby Goku's crying, which becomes a trigger for him, being nearly executed by being stabbed in the chest just because King Vegeta was paranoid that a baby of his power level would overthrow the royal family, Freeza blowing up Planet Vegeta [and his narrow escape from it with his father]), not to mention being placed under mind control by his father (a process that's shown to be unwilling on Broly's part.) So, [[Complete Monster]] or not, he can also be viewed as a [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds|tragic.]]
**** In some ways, Broly is like Michael Myers: pure evil in his first movie, but less so in subsequent appearances.
* [[Draco in Leather Pants]]: Vegeta.
** Bardock, with added help from [[Dub Text]].
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** The Ginyu Force, Recoome especially.
*** Don't forget Jeice! He has the most fanart by a long shot.
** [http://www.animenewsnetwork.comcc//news/2007-01-08/oricon-fans-want-l-char-aznable-spinoffsIn a japanese poll]{{Dead link}} asking manga fans which characters they'd like to see spinoff stories about, Krillin was the only dragonball/Z character to make the list. Despite being relatively weak compared to the saiyans, Krillin's bravery and heart in the bleakest of situations have earned him his fair share of fans, and believe it or not, he isn't as worthless as DBZ abridged might lead one to believe. (Up until the end of the Frieza arc, at least.)
* [[Fan Dumb]]: Some people who had started going on the 'net when ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' aired were inexperienced IRC users, similar to how ''[[Naruto]]'' is that, now.
* [[Freud Was Right]]: As a child, Goku thinks girls don't have tails and guys do. Then he sees Bulma naked and thinks she's been castrated!
* [[Fridge Logic]]: [[Dragon Ball/Headscratchers/Headscratchers/DragonballGeneral|Has its own page.]]
* [[Funny Moments (Sugar Wiki)|Funny Moments]]: [[Dragon Ball/Funny|Have their own page.]]
* [[Germans Love David Hasselhoff]]: Vegeta is much more popular with Western audiences.
** ''Dragon Ball'' (especially ''Z'') in general is even more popular internationally than it was in Japan. For example, in the week of September 16-2216–22, 2002, Dragon Ball Z was once [http://www.animenewsnetwork.comcc//news/2002-09-28/dragonball-z-tops-ratings the highest rated show on cable] and one of the top three shows in ''all television'' (cable or broadcast) for preteen/younger teenaged boys (9-14) in America.
*** It was still the most popular series in Japan when it was new, and Kai consistently made the top ten in ratings during broadcast.
* [[God Mode Sue]]: Goku arguably became this in ''[[Dragon Ball GT|GT]]'', especially following the advent of Super Saiyan 4. Without him around, no [[Big Bad]] or [[Disc One Final Boss]] could even be presented with a serious challenge anymore.
* [[Growing the Beard]]: With regards to the manga, this could be placed around the time Goku goes to train with Roshi - at this point, Toriyama dropped a lot of the [[Journey to the West]] stuff, stopped breaking the fourth wall, cut down on the truly lame gags, and refined the action sequences. Even though the earlier parts were entertaining, this is where the series really came into its own, and began its move towards that as which Dragon Ball is really known - a lengthy, fighting-based shounen saga.
** For the Funimation dub of DBZ, many would say that it was during the Cell Saga that is when most of the cast were able to settle in to their performances, [[Chris Sabat]] stopped trying to impersonate [[Brian Drummond]]'s Vegeta and several stand-out perforancesperformances that were step-up from the season 3 dub (Eric Vale as Trunks, Chuck Huber as #17, Dameon Clarke as Cell, and Chris Rager as Hercule) were introduced.
* [[Heartwarming Moments (Sugar Wiki)|Heartwarming Moments]]: [[Dragon Ball/Heartwarming|Have their own page.]]
* [[Hate Dumb]]: ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' is often used as a synonym for bad anime pacing, often by people who have never actually seen it or came in through a different [[Gateway Series]]. There are also people who hate [[Akira Toriyama]] himself over stuff he didn't actually have much control over and have refused to touch other stuff like ''[[Blue Dragon]]'', ''[[Dragon Quest]]'', or even ''[[Chrono Trigger]]'' in the worst cases because ''[[Akira Toriyama]] did the art''. ''[[Chrono Trigger]]'' at least escapes the "It's Toriyama therefore [[It Sucks]]" because it's protected by the [[Nostalgia Filter]], but sadly, ''[[Blue Dragon]]'' is not protected by such, or most ''[[Dragon Quest]]'' games.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: Before [[FUNimation]] started dubbing and editing the series in-house, the first two seasons of ''DBZ'' were handled by Ocean Group and Saban, who [[Macekre|edited the living crap]] out of the show for syndication by merging episodes, speeding up the fight sequences, and cutting out most of the expositional dialogue. Gee, doesn't that sound [[Dragon Ball Kai|familiar...?]]
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* [[It's Popular, Now It Sucks]]: There was once a time where fans of ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' could express their interest in the franchise in the open. However, the unspeakable happened...it achieved popularity inside [[Germans Love David Hasselhoff|and outside]] Japan. [[Values Dissonance|It may be different in South and Latin America as well as latino-based boards]], but if you say you like any series (Except for maybe the original ''[[Dragon Ball]]'') on English boards or in anime clubs? You'll be asked why or told how bad it is, if not flat-out [[Fan Hater|insulted]].
** It should be noted that most of hate for the series which was at it's hight in the early to mid 2000s has passed and that [[Dragon Ball Kai]] and [[Dragon Ball Abridged]] have managed to rehabilitate [[Dragon Ball]]'s image in the eyes of quite a few anime fans.
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Played with, subverted, and [[Smugthen Snake|subverted]]boomeranged with Cell. In his imperfect form, Cell runs rings around the Z fighters as he masterfully evades their attempts to ambush him while draining countless cities of their population's bio extract. Upon finding himself sorely outclassed by Vegeta later in the series, Cell tricks the Saiyan prince into allowing him to absorb Android 18 by promising to provide him with an opportunity to test the full extent of his newfound power. In the ensuing rematch, he succeeds in reaping vengeance upon Vegeta by breaking him down physically and psychologically. When facing Trunks, he shows how savvy he is about how raising his strength and muscles only slow him down. And ''then'', rather than kill Trunks and everyone else, Cell instead opts to hold a martial arts tournament where all of Earth's greatest fighters can challenge him and be defeated....and he ''announces this to the entire planet'' [[Do Not Adjust Your Set|on TV]] [[For the Evulz|just so he can see them panicking and living in fear.]] During the Cell Games, however, Cell becomes increasingly reckless and overconfident in his actions until he ultimately loses control when Gohan became a Super Saiyan 2. And said state was precisely what he was seeking; the problem was that he never really calculated that Gohan's power increase would be far greater than his. However, he ''still'' manages to rebound from this [[Villainous Breakdown]] inducing defeat, though by that time he's in full [[Ax Crazy]] [[Omnicidal Maniac]] mode.
** Also, Demon King Piccolo in the original ''[[Dragon Ball]]'' qualifies, and Vegeta shows some flashes of this in the Namek Saga where he does several meticulously villainous and underhanded things, but we enjoy seeing him do them anyway.
** Super Buu as well, due to being so [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]] on top of being uncompromisingly malicious.
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* [[Memetic Molester]]: Cell. If his habit of sticking his tail in people and sucking them dry wasn't creepy enough, the way he advances on 18 before absorbing her...
* [[Memetic Mutation]]: "It's OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND!" [[Dragon Ball/Memes|And many more.]]
* [[Mis BlamedMisblamed]]: No, [[Akira Toriyama]] ''didn't'' write the anime - He wrote the manga it was ''adapted'' from. (The pacing of the anime was actually out of his hands; they ''intentionally'' made filler arcs with his mild supervision, and padded the episodes so they wouldn't [[Overtook the Manga|overtake the manga]].
** However, he ''did'' contribute to the designs and some general plot points to some filler. He also contributed the designs for many of the movie villains.
*** He also did not have much involvement with ''[[Dragon Ball GT]]'' outside of the basic designs for Goku, Trunks, Pan and various mechanical designs.
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** In the original DB, Tao crossed it when he murdered Upa's father.
** Broly's moment is when he blows up the alien slaves' home planet for absolutely NO REASON AT ALL.
** Four words for Super Buu's one: his [[Kill All Humans|Genocide Blast attack]]
** Kid Buu crosses it not only by destroying the Earth but destroying whole planets full of innocents just to [[Blood Knight|"play]] with [[The Hero|Goku]] and [[The Lancer|Vegeta]]
* [[My Real Daddy]]: [[Akira Toriyama]], as this renders GT and all anime-exclusive filler [[Canon Discontinuity|non-canocial]].
* [[Nausea Fuel]]: Perfect Cell literally vomiting out 18 after how much of a beating SSJ2 Gohan gave him, made worse in the uncut where she's actually seen sliding out his mouth.
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* [[Replacement Scrappy]]: Trunks, the one in the main timeline to be specific. This was a case of [[Tough Act to Follow]] since Future Trunks ended up becoming a [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]. Goten managed to avoid this however.
* [[Saved by the Fans]]: Vegeta, three times, in fact.
** Also Goku. Goku was meant to stay dead after the Cell Saga, with Gohan becoming the new protagonist. There was even specific buildup for the [[Take Up My Sword]] moment. Turned out in the end, Goku was just too liked by the masses.
* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: Not as severe as most that suffer from this effect, but seeing the ''massive'' influence it had, has, and will probably ''continue'' to have on Shonen manga - its somewhat unavoidable. The degree of the effect has generally ranged from "it's kinda boring compared to stuff now" to "it flat out ''sucks''."
* [[Tear Jerker]]: [[Dragon Ball/Tear Jerker|Has its own page.]]
* [[Too Cool to Live|Too Cool to Stay Fused]]: Vegito is widely regarded as the strongest fighter in the entire Dragon Ball continuity, so strong that he toys with Super Buu (+ Gohan) and easily has the capability to destroy him. He only lasts for four episodes before [[Batman Gambit|getting swallowed by Buu]] and reverting back to Goku and Vegeta. Goku and Vegeta crush their Potara earrings, and Vegito is never shown again.
* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]: Gohan's development as a hero and as his father Goku's eventual replacement as protector of the Earth certainly counts as this. During the Buu Saga a lot of focus is placed on Gohan's hidden powers and despite becoming the strongest (non-fused) character in the series he is not the one to defeat Buu. Goku defeats Buu and reclaims his role as the main protagonist. There were mixed reactions in the fanbase about this. [[Fridge Logic|Which is why Dragon Ball Kai ended with the Cell Saga]] [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|making this canon at least in their universe]]. [[Hilarious in Hindsight|Until "The Final Chapters" got made, that is.]]
** [[Fridge Logic|which is why Dragon Ball Kai ended with the Cell Saga]] [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|making this canon at least in their universe]].
* [[Trapped by Mountain Lions]]: Bulma, in the anime's Freeza saga.
* [[Uncanny Valley]]: The Androids were an attempt at this for having facial features radically different from the series' norm. It didn't quite work, as both 17 and 18 are often considered adorable (even in-universe by Krillin about 18), and Chiaotzu predated the bleach-white 19 by several years.
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*** The polite manners, large lips, pink and purple, and sexual innuendo didn't help much, either.
* [[Villain Decay]]/[[Villain Forgot to Level Grind]]: One, the other, or sometimes even both, happen to most of the villains after they been defeated the first time around.
** Many of these fights conveniently happen after they're causing trouble in Hell.You'd think they'd be [[Genre Savvy]] enough to start [[Training Fromfrom Hell|training there]].
* [[What Do You Mean It's for Kids?]]: This is a series for ten year old boys that can bring cheesy grins and [[Manly Tears]] to high schoolers, college students, and young adults around the world.
* [[The Woobie]]: Gohan, Future Trunks
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