Dumbass Has a Point: Difference between revisions

'''Metatron''': Good Lord, the little stoner's got a point!|''[[Dogma]]''}}

* ''[[Eyeshield 21]]'', since most of the team are idiots (especially Taki).

** During the Alabasta arc, Luffy points out to Vivi that simply beating up Crocodile would be the best thing to do, instead of trying to stop the rebels from fighting (which would cost many more lives). Often times, Luffy knows [[Stating the Simple Solution|that beating up the biggest bad guy solves the problem faster]]. He also mentions that people ''will'' die no matter what Vivi does, a surprisingly realistic observation for him that the other crew members don't contest.

** While Zoro's not stupid per se, he does often come off as not much smarter than Luffy because he [[Leeroy Jenkins|makes reckless decisions on a whim]]. However, he was the one crewmate who opposed Usopp's rejoining into the crew, on the grounds that he disrespected Luffy. Though he constantly belittles Luffy, he notes that if a crew can't respect its captain (or if the captain doesn't deserve their respect), they're not fit to be a crew. Even Sanji, who normally mocks or disagrees with what Zoro says, agreed with him.

*:* That case is subverted, though, because it turns out Wooster wasn't betraying them at all.

== [[Film -- Animated]] ==

* The [[The Golden Age of Animation|1939]] [[Fleischer Studios]] animated adaptation of ''[[Max Fleischer's Gulliver's Travels|Gulliver's Travels]]'', the king of Blefuscu sends three assassins - Sneak, Snoop and Snitch - to get rid of Gulliver, "or else.". Naturally, Sneak and Snoop realize they're ''really'' in over their heads here (dealing with giants isn't exactly in their job description), until their ditzy partner Snitch (after making several dumb suggestions) points out "Gulliver's Thunder Machine" (what the Lilliputians call his musket) in the museum.

* In ''[[Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey|Homeward Bound]]'', this overlaps with a [[Eureka Moment]]: Shadow calls Chance a genius for giving him an idea. Chance's rebuttal is: "No, I'm not! What's a genius?"

* In the Coen Brothers' remake of ''[[Film/The Lady Killers|The Lady Killers]]'', Tom Hanks' character thinks aloud as he tries to come up with an elaborate scheme to deal with Stephen Root's character, a potential obstacle to their heist. The dumb jock character tries to interject with an idea, only to be silenced several times by Hanks. When he is finally allowed to speak, he asks "couldn't we just bribe the guy?" It works.

* In the 2009 ''[[Star Trek (film)|Star Trek]]'', when young Kirk (who up to this point has been depicted as an ignorant jackass) presents an idea to Captain Pike, Spock supports him: "The cadet's logic is sound".

{{quote|'''Hudson:'' There's something. It's inside the complex. [snip] They're inside the perimeter. They're in here. [snip]

'''Vasquez:''' Hudson may be right. }}

*:* Also, in the extended cut, Hudson is the one who first theorizes the possible existence of a xenomorph "queen".

* Hud has his moment in ''[[Cloverfield]]''. He suggests getting into a near -collapsed building by going up the adjacent building that it's leaning against, and walking across the roof.

== [[Literature]] ==

== [[Live-Action TV]] ==

* On the Australian music quiz show ''[[Spicks and Specks]]'' the host Adam Hills once said to Alan Brough (one of the team captains) "I never thought I'd say this Alan, but listen to Hamish. He's right!" For those not in the know, Hamish Blake is almost literally a [[Real Life]] [[Joke Character]] on the show.

** He's had a good run recently{{when}}... although in one episode he had answers written on his tie.

* One episode of ''[[Big Wolf on Campus]]'' has Tommy and Merton trying to figure out what an evil cyborg school counsellor ([[It Makes Sense in Context]]) is going to do next. Merton makes a sarcastic remark on how they don't know what his plans are, only for [[The Fool|Tommy]] to suggest looking in the file marked "day planner".

* In ''[[M*A*S*H (television)|MashM*A*S*H]]'', when a general's prized gun turned up missing and Radar was about to take the fall for the theft, Hawkeye and BJ confronted [[Small Name, Big Ego|Major Burns]], who openly admired the gun when he saw it. Burns refused to answer their questions and accused them of convicting him without a trial, asking, "What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?" After Burns left, Hawkeye turned to BJ and asked, "Don't you hate it when he's right?" Subverted, because {{spoiler|Burns really was the thief}}.

* During the Second Season finale of ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' the Scoobies discover a way to return Angel's soul, thus removing him as a bad guy. Xander's reaction is "I don't care, Angel needs to die," pointing out that Buffy is "ignoring Miss Calendar's murder just so you can get your boyfriend back". While the franchise later on takes the position (on Angel's own TV show, season 4, to be precise) that Angel and Angelus are entirely separate entities who just happen to take turns using the same body and that Angel is therefore not morally liable for Angelus' actions, by that point the franchise has also long established Angel's own willingness to be killed if that becomes necessary to stop Angelus from hurting anyone ever again, so its a moot point. But Xander is still entirely correct in that virtually no one the show, except maybe Cordelia, seems to even ''care'' about this dilemna. Buffy is too focused that she can get Angel back to realize he might have a point, and Willow is too focused on supporting Buffy to do so either.

** The other hotly debated question from that episode is '"Xander's Lie'", when Xander deliberately fails to tell Buffy that Willow is making a second attempt at the re-ensouling spell and leaves Buffy with the impression that she has no alternative left but to fight Angelus to the death. Some (including Buffy, when she eventually found out about it in season 7) considered this a gross personal betrayal, others considered it Xander making a hard choice out of necessity because Buffy had failed to defeat Angelus on multiple occasions before due to lack of motivation and if she holds back against him yet again out of hope that his soul will soon be restored, the world might end up sucked into hell. However, the part that qualifies for this trope is the entirely valid point Xander attempted to make to Willow (that neither she nor anyone else in the show paid the slightest bit of attention to) -- which was that she was an inexperienced spellcaster trying to attempt a magical ritual she had already failed at once under better conditions, only partly understood, and '''while Willow was already suffering from a concussion'''. In other words, that in Xander's estimation she has no realistic chance of actually succeeding in casting the spell and every chance of killing herself trying to.

== [[Newspaper Comics]] ==

* Done by the [[Pointy-Haired Boss]] in ''[[Dilbert]]'' when describing the other departments as being [http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-02-20/ staffed with professional liars].

* Another [[BioWare]] example: [[John Cleese|Sir Roderick]] from ''[[Jade Empire]]'' does manage to make several good points about the Empire's failings, in the midst of his racist complaining about tea and trousers, in particular regarding the fact no one in the Jade Empire thought to use dragonpowder for personal firearms.

* One of the song titles in ''[[Guilty Gear]]|Guilty Gear Isuka]]'' is "Drunkard Does Make Wise Remarks".

* A character trait of [[Idiot Ball|Wheatley]] in ''[[Portal 2]]''. {{spoiler|Possibly deconstructed. His ideas are smart just often enough that you'll trust him, letting him function as an Intelligence Dampener.}}

** [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0045.html "Surprisingly, Elan makes a good point. (Which probably just proves that we've stumbled into some bizarre alternate reality.)"] Unsurprisingly (Because, c'mon, he's Elan), it goes horribly, horribly wrong.

* ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'':* Used [http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20051108 in "Oceans Unmoving" with the carib Honest Stu.] (He honestly isn't that dumb on some occasions, but no-one takes him seriously because of the way he is for the rest of the time.)

* In ''[[Tales of the Questor]]'', Squidge isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but his suggestion that Quentyn check the exact wording of a covanent clause and the laws pertaining to it is very good advice indeed.

== [[Web OriginalsOriginal]] ==

== [[Western Animation]] ==

* ''[[The Simpsons (animation)|The Simpsons]]''

* Happens every so often in the 2003 ''[[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 series)|2003 ''Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]'' cartoon]], and almost always in reference to [[Cloudcuckoolander|Michelangelo]]. Usually it's [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|Raphael]] who gets to admit it.

* Carl and Sheen from ''[[The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius|The Adventures Of Jimmy Neutron]]'' occasionally have their moments.