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Look at the first time he woke up as something he didn't expect to wake up. That day alone an evil monkey attacked the school, and he and Ellen realized they were awakened. Mere days later, Abraham attacked the school.

Now, maybe Dan just hasn't shown us other instances of it, but the dialogue on [http://egscomics.com/?date=2010-08-20 this page] suggests that Elliot waking up with the wrong form hasn't happened outside of this and the previously mentioned incident. What have we discovered thus far in this arc? 1. Some fiery dude is attacking innocent nerds. 2. Elliot can fly.

Obviously Dan's got some other big to-do that's about to go down. I'd be watching out for any other times that Elliot's magic doesn't quite work the way he wants it to.

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== The reason Elliot's clothes didn't change when he morphed into [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2008-07-18 "Gracelyn]..." ==

...had nothing to do with inexperience or not having planned to morph, and everything to do with the fact that the clothes he was wearing [[Sudden School Uniform|weren't of his own choosing in the first place]]. This will become [[Chekhov's Gun|important at some future date]].

* The only idea that springs to mind where this could come into play is possibly if Elliot is caught by a future [[Big Bad]] and is forced to wear unbreakable bonds and chains. But numerous times it's explained he has the ability to focus and change aspects of himself along with his typical transform. Even if Uryoum suit tech is used to make them, there has to be an absolute smallest size the clothes can shrink to, which I assume he can go below since the absolute limit of his powers or control over them haven't been shown yet.

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An accident with the gun that makes Nanase a guy for enough time to do it: it's the most probable thing...

* It's explicit that Ellen can undo a M-F transformation (if she's in the mood to do so), it may be possible that she can do a stand-alone F-M transformation. Alternatively, Ellen has that new spell where she can mimic any person/animal that she sees, presumably a male form she could take would be "fully functional". (This admittedly isn't likely, since it would be squicky for BOTH of them)

** As of 2 March 2012, [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2012-03-02 maybe not squicky] if the actual goal is having children.

*** It would also be possible for them to have children without pregnancy if they went the [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-02-25 roaisol] route. This would most likely require Grace's help, which many may find rather squicky.

* Actually the other option (Ellen getting Nanase pregnant) seems more likely to me. As mentioned in the comic linked above it would be possible to use the TF-gun to turn one of them male and get the other pregnant. Having Ellen as the "father" is useful since it would provide a ready-made explanation for anyone outside the masquerade. Specifically they could claim that Nanase got pregnant with artificial insemination and that Elliot was the sperm donor thereby explaining why the kids have a strong family resemblance to Ellen.

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== Chaos is working with Arthur ==

Chaos is trying to break the [[Masquerade]] and Arthur announced on national TV that magic is real. Also Arthur mentions that [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-05-09 "The occasional casualty will not disrupt our long term objectives"]

* Whoever made this may be onto something here, I was going through the New and Old Flames arc and [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-12-03 found something that implied that Arthur knows about her scheme]. Go to panel 4 and read what Arthur says carefully and consider what happened to Dex, Justin and Rhoda. You may now say Holy $#!+.

== The "remaking" of the world by Chaos will result in [[Everyone Is a Super|magic for EVERYONE.]] ==

Raven wants a world he can freely participate in, and one situation where he can participate is anything involving magic. If everyone has magic, just about every situation will likely involve it.

* Understandable, since Pandora seems to be (though it's ambiguous whether she's behind it) marking random people, granting them powers (Justin's battle aura, Rhoda's size-shifting powers, thus far).

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== Pandora is going to survive the comic and achieve some kind of happy ending ==

It just won't be the one she expects.

* But...that's the only kind she could have!

== Pandora is trying to prepare this universe against Lord Tedd's plans ==

Look this way. If our world is like GTA, the Lord Tedd's universe can be like GTA San Andreas or [[Devil May Cry]] or Fable or...whatever. As she had Watching Lord Tedd's universe, she thinks that she ''needs'' to do something... but as she can't act ''directly'', she is training the main characters by the use of a [[Xanatos Speed Chess]].

== Pandora stole/bought the last TV stand (during the "Elliot Dunkel and the TOSF mini-arc). ==

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== Susan has a major thing for Justin/ [[Crack Pairing|They are going to end up with each other]], perhaps opposite genders ==

Tied in with the above, if you look at the tags, you start to notice a trend. Each tag connects the person with the specific tag to the person they love/are paired with. In panel three, you'll notice that Elliot has a 'S' tag (Sarah) while Justin has a 'E' tag (Elliot). If you look closely at Susan's, you'll see that her tag is slightly obscured by her hands, but you can kind of make out what looks to be either a 'T' or a 'J', more likely a 'J', and she's quite obviously looking at Justin's... body.

* If it's a J, it could also mean Jerry, the only other person she's allowed herself to show any kind of affection for. But, more likely, it's a joking reference to Jeremy, given how she's in Jeremy form in [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-11-06 that comic]. FURTHERMORE ! Susan has well-known issues with sexuality in general and men in particular. Dog-Justin's tail is wagging as he looks at Elliot. It may be possible that he's showing excitement in other ways and she's staring at Justin's... "body" with fascinated horror.

Add to that the events of Grace's birthday party in which M!Susan and F!Justin made out, you could draw a very strong connection between the two, only stopped by Justin's orientation, which could be dealt with if Susan decided to change gender.

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== The woman Susan's father was having an affair with was ''Tedd's mother.'' ==

Because there has been far too little of Susan hitting Tedd with hammers lately.

* Aw man, you beat me to it. Still, what else could turn Mrs. Kitsune against her sister?

* If that's true, the women we saw with Susan's dad would have to be japanese and possibly have purple hair.

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Diane protect's Rhoda as she were her little sister because she has a reprimed memory of her with her sister(Susan), so, Rhoda is filling Diane's loneliness for her lost sister.

== Susan is Diane's Dewitchery Diamond Duplicate (whoa, [[~~Added Alliterative Appeal|~~alliteration]]). The spell separated? A memory spell. ==

== Susan is Diane's Dewitchery Diamond Duplicate (whoa, [[alliteration]]). The spell separated? A memory spell. ==

Susan's father had some magical powers. When he told Susan that her mother could not hear of the mistress, he wasn't just telling her; he was casting a memory spell to make her forget. Through some unknown events, Susan touched the DD which produced Diane, upon which Magus or Chaos [[Incredibly Lame Pun|spirited]] her away to be adopted and raised by another family.

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== Tedd ==

== Tedd's mother is a lesbian. ==

Not that it's especially likely, but this contributor just had to get the "Tedd's mother" ball rolling. (And if it's true, that kid has ''serious'' issues...)

* Tedd has so many issues, I doubt this one would have any discernible effect. His dad is an MIB !!

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== Mr. Verres is Tedd's Mother ==

Note that Jerry hesitates when referring to Tedd's father as a well-known entity in the supernatural community. Note that Mrs. Kitsune says "I have no sister." And then there's Mr. Verres' glasses. They could just be there to make him look businesslike or intimidating. Maybe like his son, he has extremely striking eyes. Maybe they have an Asian cast to them that would look verrry suspicious, given that Tedd's surname is the not-particularly Japanese "Verres." This might have happened long ago, so long that Tedd doesn't remember it consciously, but subconsciously...it might explain a lot.

* Except that Mr. Verres refers to Mrs. Kitsune as his sister-in-law.

== Tedd's Mother is a [[Straw Feminist]]. ==

Think about it. Tedd obviously has some very... odd gender issues. I get the feeling his mother put some very confusing ideas into his head about why men are bad, or maybe even was very verbally or physically abusive, hating Tedd for being born a boy. Or if we're not getting that serious, maybe she just made Tedd wear a dress when he was little so she could pass him off as her daughter and Tedd found that he liked it; Having to wear a dress would explain his problems with being told he looks like a girl. Any one of these things constitutes psychological abuse, which would explain why she's never around- she's given a court order to keep away from him. This puts a new light on his relationship with Susan and explains why it took them so long to warm up to one another.

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** Alpha universe's Sarah = with her, I have a crazy theory (yes, more crazy than the things I wrote before). First of all, she never becomes Elliot's girlfriend, beacuse Elliot never loved her, but Nanase. So, she decided to give up with men forever, started to practice martial arts, with Justin as her personal trainer, harder and harder to be as powerful as Elliot or Nanase, and make an important, ask Tedd...TO MAKE HER A MALE PERMANENTLY! that way, she will never have any hope like with Elliot. In exchange, Sarah's become, after Shade Tail, his first soldier and most powerful soldier, again, except for Shade Tail. So, these "Sarah" is a lot more powerful and useful than the main character's universe.

*** Aaand, yes. Nioi says that maybe Shade Tail's the one corrupting Lord Tedd, but remember when Ellen mentioned that she thinks that Tedd is pretty and she(and Elliot the first, time being woman) would date with him if she has the opportunity. Now, with Nioi, if she is Ellen's evil counterpart, and she and Lord Tedd seem to have some kind of relationship and, [[Love Makes You Evil|if we combine]] [[Love Makes You Dumb|these things together]][[Love Makes You Crazy|, Wellll...]]

*** Any particular reason you're switching sexualities and not genders?

*** Well, remember [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-08-24 the grave]; I stand by the theory that Lord Tedd's Elliot is dead. But of course the others are the other "pets" that General Shadetail alluded to! Hmmm... Sarah is male, and named Sam. He's become an expert in Uryuom and other advanced technology to compensate for not having magic like the others. Why yes, I am being influence by [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-01-11 his] [http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://aboutgundamwing.com/SC/SC03/vlcsnap-164193.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D165645&usg=__BNTR-ZSl1wtwmqseDZXbx-dDXHA=&h=384&w=512&sz=35&hl=en&start=40&zoom=1&tbnid=rTsWeM3_6OqfVM:&tbnh=156&tbnw=194&prev=/images%3Fq%3DQuatre%2BWinner%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1400%26bih%3D839%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C725&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=609&vpy=315&dur=316&hovh=192&hovw=257&tx=101&ty=130&ei=BYUPTfelDcKblgfGrJGBDA&oei=vYMPTYi4G4aKlwfElYXbCw&esq=13&page=2&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:40&biw=1400&bih=839 resemblance] to [[Gundam Wing|Quatre]].

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== Greg will start teaching Sarah Anime-Style Martial Arts anyway. ==

Even though Greg's not keeping the dojo open, he's got everyone else's assurance that Sarah would not turn into a psychopathic killer if given, basically, superpowers.

* Or, Elliot might be able to teach her something.

** Or, she'll start taking regular martial arts lessons.

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*** [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-11-01 Panel 4]?

**** Darn. I thought I was on to something. I guess I forgot about that.

** How about Elliot's FV ''2'' form?

== Panel 5 of [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-07-14 Q&A #5, page 7] is a reference to the cheese shop sketch from ''[[Monty Python's Flying Circus]]''. ==

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** Extra specifically jossed [http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/?date=2009-11-03 here].

== Mr. Raven WAS some kind of vampire. ==

He was "cured" by the Dewitchery Diamond and his magic has duplicated some of his old vampiric abilities and appearance. This would also nicely explain his seeming knowledge of the Bloodgrem, considering Rocky would've tracked down Raven and his Abomination.

* Could this mean that there's a raging, thirsting, mindless super-vampire Raven running around? Makes this troper think of [[D Shive]]'s original plan for Painted Black, before he made Hedge the Grace-hunter.

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== Noah is the one who outted Justin. ==

* Melissa is traditionally the one blamed for outting Justin, as she's the only person he told that he was gay. But she and Noah have been shown to be close. If they were close even when the date with Justin failed, she would have told him. And Noah has stated before that [http://egscomics.com/?date=2010-03-31 he hates keeping secrets.] He's also [http://egscomics.com/?date=2010-04-02 really awkward in social situations] and blurts out random things without realizing how people will feel about them. He seems to me like the kind of person who would have told people about Justin's sexuality without realizing what the consequences would be to Justin and Melissa's friendship would be [http://egscomics.com/?date=2010-12-31 until it was too late].

* Nope. Melissa told her [http://www.egscomics.com/ gossipy sister.]

== Ellen is infertile. ==

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== [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2004-10-18 The Child Left Behind] is the one that summoned the fire-that-isn't-fire thing ==

S/he ''discovered'' that Grace was in Moperville thanks to Abraham's attack. S/he summoned the creature in an attempt to make Grace to appear and fight.

* [[Jossed]]

== Magus is an alternate universe version of the party leader from the MUD ==

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*** I think you have a [[Did Not Do the Research|severe misunderstanding]] of how maiden names work.

**** And I think you have a severely obsolete understanding of how maiden names work. These days anything goes. I even know someone who changed ''all'' of her names (first, last, and middle) when she got married.

***** "Severely Obsolete"? Try PROPER. A woman's maiden name in the traditional sense is also a woman's maiden name in the way it is supposed to be. Just because one person decided to completely change their name when they married does NOT mean that 'anything goes' when it comes to maiden names, it just means that the particular person wanted to deviate away from the tradition of keeping the maiden name as a middle name.

*** They could have followed the Japanese practice where the wife's family adopts the husband in order to preserve the family name in families without male heirs. Or the even more common practice of the wife keeping her maiden name. As for Nanase's name, you get whatever name your parents wrote on the birth certificate application. Using the father's name is not the law, just a tradition.

*** In this troper's country, the man is allowed to change his name to that of his wife's. Wouldn't be much of a stretch if Kitsune is the maiden name of Nanase's mother.

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== The "remaking" of the world by Chaos will result in everyone finding out about magic ==

This is already happening, at a pretty rapid pace, and if magic is no longer a secret, then perhaps Raven will be able to act more openly and freely participate in the world in a bigger way.

* The events of the New And Old Flames storyline definitely seem to be orchestrated by Chaos. More specifically [http://egscomics.com/?date=2011-05-23 the pendant worn by Dex has a earthen jar on it] and [[wikipedia:~~Pandorachr(27)~~s box|the myth of Pandora's Box actually refers to a large storage jar]]. [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-12-24 "Destroying the world as it is now known"] seems to be referring to the destruction of the [[Masquerade]].

* The events of the New And Old Flames storyline definitely seem to be orchestrated by Chaos. More specifically [http://egscomics.com/?date=2011-05-23 the pendant worn by Dex has a earthen jar on it] and [[wikipedia:Pandora's box|the myth of Pandora's Box actually refers to a large storage jar]]. [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2009-12-24 "Destroying the world as it is now known"] seems to be referring to the destruction of the [[Masquerade]].

** [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-06-29 Confirmed.]

== The story takes place in a parallel universe. ==

The existence of parallel universes is confirmed in the storyline. It would explain the small (and large) differences between the realities, I, for one, have never seen <s>aliens</s> people wearing shirts saying "Human".

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** Huh. And when Chiyo loses her innocence, so does Chiyo-Dad, who takes on a slightly more human form. Also, if we consider Justin and Kaorin to be one and the same as well as Raven-Kimura, then that leaves only Elliot and Sarah...Yukari and Nyamo?

** As a small child, Chiyo's dad was a squishy, loveable, cryptic, flying cat-thing. Now that Tedd's grown up more, [http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-11-25 he's Dumbledore]. It makes sense. Maybe Yukari and Nyamo are Agent Cranium and Agent Wolf? Or they could be a bygone pair of schoolteachers that helped along Tedd's thing for lesbians. Or Elliot and Sarah, or Lisa and Amanda.

** This NEEDS to be a crossover fic. Exchange program? I'll even contribute a [[Running Gag]]: Yukari-sensei turns out to be an excellent driver when transplanted to a place where they drive on the right.

== The "Paranormal Things That Are Of Little Use To Anyone Storage Facility" is the [[SCP Foundation]] (or one of its many buildings, anyway). ==