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* Warren Spector calling the Phantom Blot lame to justify using his name for a generic blob monster. |
* Warren Spector calling the Phantom Blot lame to justify using his name for a generic blob monster. |
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** Because the Phantom Blot '''was''' lame. Really, his whole guise was akin to a lame [[Scooby-Doo Hoax|Scooby Doo villain]] where all he did was put on a black sheet, and steal one type of camera. {{spoiler|You find out at the end it was because he was actually smuggling weapons information, but even still, not that threatening}}. And then in later uses from [[House of Mouse]], his main objectives were stealing everyone's color and money. He was an interesting thief, but definitely not [[Epic Mickey]] malicious or threatening. The [[Eldritch Abomination]] from paint aspect is a much more interesting interpretation of the character. |
** Because the Phantom Blot '''was''' lame. Really, his whole guise was akin to a lame [[Scooby-Doo Hoax|Scooby Doo villain]] where all he did was put on a black sheet, and steal one type of camera. {{spoiler|You find out at the end it was because he was actually smuggling weapons information, but even still, not that threatening}}. And then in later uses from [[House of Mouse]], his main objectives were stealing everyone's color and money. He was an interesting thief, but definitely not [[Epic Mickey]] malicious or threatening. The [[Eldritch Abomination]] from paint aspect is a much more interesting interpretation of the character. |
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*** That was just the first story he appeared in, though. Most later stories with him as the villain tended to scrap the aspect of the character that he was unwilling to kill [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Mickey]] hands on, made him wear the black cloak all the time instead of just as a disguise, and escalated his ambitions into outright [[Take Over the World|World Domination]]. I always thought he was a cool villain, especially since [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] was more typically pitted against incompetent thugs like Pete. I'm not necessary against the "ink monster" reimagining, though. I just don't like that the Blot we've seen so far seems to be little more than a mindless monster rather than the [[Diabolical Mastermind]] he should be. |
*** That was just the first story he appeared in, though. Most later stories with him as the villain tended to scrap the aspect of the character that he was unwilling to kill [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Mickey]] hands on, made him wear the black cloak all the time instead of just as a disguise, and escalated his ambitions into outright [[Take Over the World|World Domination]]. I always thought he was a cool villain, especially since [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] was more typically pitted against incompetent thugs like Pete. I'm not necessary against the "ink monster" reimagining, though. I just don't like that the Blot we've seen so far seems to be little more than a mindless monster rather than the [[Diabolical Mastermind]] he should be. |
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*** Okay, so maybe it was a pretty weak excuse to justify The Blot by calling the original Phantom Blot "lame". What he should have said was "not quite applicable to the game". |
*** Okay, so maybe it was a pretty weak excuse to justify The Blot by calling the original Phantom Blot "lame". What he should have said was "not quite applicable to the game". |
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*** The rename to "Shadow Blot" probably was done to shake the [[In Name Only]] stuff. |
*** The rename to "Shadow Blot" probably was done to shake the [[In Name Only]] stuff. |
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== [[Song of the South]] won't be in the game. == |
== [[Song of the South]] won't be in the game. == |
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***** The Above ''would'' be true if it weren't for the fact that [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] ''was'' aware of [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey's]] popularity. I dunno about him knowing that Mickey Created the Phantom Blot, but still. |
***** The Above ''would'' be true if it weren't for the fact that [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] ''was'' aware of [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey's]] popularity. I dunno about him knowing that Mickey Created the Phantom Blot, but still. |
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***** [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] was only afraid of [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] in that opening cutscene, but in a later cutscene, he makes himself known to [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] and Gus, confronting the mouse in jealousy over his success. |
***** [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] was only afraid of [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] in that opening cutscene, but in a later cutscene, he makes himself known to [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] and Gus, confronting the mouse in jealousy over his success. |
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*** It seemed less of fear as much as caution mixed with shock. |
*** It seemed less of fear as much as caution mixed with shock. |
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== "Epic" Mickey should have been better named. == |
== "Epic" Mickey should have been better named. == |
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* Couldn't they think of a better name then "Epic Mickey"? |
* Couldn't they think of a better name then "Epic Mickey"? |
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** Finally, Hook is not naturally a Beetleworx. He was affected by the machine on Skull Island more than the other pirates, to the point where he was completely subsumed. He's an early, unused version. Just like Smee. And if it's okay for Smee to be an unused design, why is it so terrible for old versions of Pete to be there? They're just old personality types that have fallen out of use in favour of his current portrayal. |
** Finally, Hook is not naturally a Beetleworx. He was affected by the machine on Skull Island more than the other pirates, to the point where he was completely subsumed. He's an early, unused version. Just like Smee. And if it's okay for Smee to be an unused design, why is it so terrible for old versions of Pete to be there? They're just old personality types that have fallen out of use in favour of his current portrayal. |
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== [[Kingdom Hearts]] is NOT [[Epic Mickey]] == |
== [[Kingdom Hearts]] is NOT [[Epic Mickey]] == |
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* People who complain that this game is "too much like [[Kingdom Hearts]]" or that that it's pretty much just a [[ |
* People who complain that this game is "too much like [[Kingdom Hearts]]" or that that it's pretty much just a [[Media Research Failure|Kingdom Hearts ripoff]]. [[Flat What]]. Have you even looked at any of the trailers, gameplay, storylines, or ''anything about the game at all''? Yes, it has Mickey Mouse, but it's Retro Mickey and Retro Disney, so how is it ''anything'' like [[Kingdom Hearts]]? Also, '''STOP COMPARING THE TWO GAMES TOGETHER'''. Besides being "Disney", they have ''nothing in common''. |
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** Kingdom Hearts stopped being a Disney game series years ago anyway. |
** Kingdom Hearts stopped being a Disney game series years ago anyway. |
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*** Although debatable Disney aside, the two games are still completely different with their own different play styles and stories that it's annoying as hell to see it get lambasted for being a "KH Ripoff". |
*** Although debatable Disney aside, the two games are still completely different with their own different play styles and stories that it's annoying as hell to see it get lambasted for being a "KH Ripoff". |
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* Okay, so in the "behind the scenes" video from E3 a few months back, we have the [[Big Bad|Phantom Blot]] in a cloak, much like his older incarnations, doing the failed heart-extracting. But in the official opening released, not only is the Phantom Blot in his inky form from his creation by [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]], but it's the Mad Doctor doing the experimenting! Why the change? Why was he in a cloak? |
* Okay, so in the "behind the scenes" video from E3 a few months back, we have the [[Big Bad|Phantom Blot]] in a cloak, much like his older incarnations, doing the failed heart-extracting. But in the official opening released, not only is the Phantom Blot in his inky form from his creation by [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]], but it's the Mad Doctor doing the experimenting! Why the change? Why was he in a cloak? |
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** That's not the Blot, it's the Mad Doctor. He had a dark "raincoat" in his original appearance. |
** That's not the Blot, it's the Mad Doctor. He had a dark "raincoat" in his original appearance. |
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***** It's more likely that, early on in development, the Mad Doctor was supposed to be wearing that for at least part of the game. It's likely that it was removed because that makes him look identical to the classic Phantom Blot, and they didn't want to cause confusion. |
***** It's more likely that, early on in development, the Mad Doctor was supposed to be wearing that for at least part of the game. It's likely that it was removed because that makes him look identical to the classic Phantom Blot, and they didn't want to cause confusion. |
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* If [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] <s>hates</s> [[The Resenter|resents]] [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]], why does he have most of these 2D levels throughout the Wasteland based on [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey's]] cartoons? |
* If [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] <s>hates</s> [[The Resenter|resents]] [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]], why does he have most of these 2D levels throughout the Wasteland based on [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey's]] cartoons? |
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* [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] doesn't hate [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] as much as he is envious of him. He wants [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey's]] life, and everything in it. He wants all the friends, fame, AND all of his settings. |
* [[Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|Oswald]] doesn't hate [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] as much as he is envious of him. He wants [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey's]] life, and everything in it. He wants all the friends, fame, AND all of his settings. |
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* As bad as the comparison to this with Kingdom Hearts is, why are some people comparing this game to [[Super Mario Sunshine]]? There's liquid-spraying, yes, but that's paint and thinner, not water, and this isn't about clearing your name, you can go down the evil path for all I care. |
* As bad as the comparison to this with Kingdom Hearts is, why are some people comparing this game to [[Super Mario Sunshine]]? There's liquid-spraying, yes, but that's paint and thinner, not water, and this isn't about clearing your name, you can go down the evil path for all I care. |
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** Super Mario Sunshine is about washing paint away. Epic Mickey is about spraying paint (and/or thinner) all over everything. This game would only be comparable to Super Mario Sunshine if that game had a mode that let you play as ''Shadow Mario''. Which it doesn't. |
** Super Mario Sunshine is about washing paint away. Epic Mickey is about spraying paint (and/or thinner) all over everything. This game would only be comparable to Super Mario Sunshine if that game had a mode that let you play as ''Shadow Mario''. Which it doesn't. |
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* And for even more [[ |
* And for even more [[Media Research Failure]] research, people are confusing the "Shadow Blot" (they renamed the Phantom Blot during development for some reason) for [[The Nightmare Before Christmas|Oogie Boogie]]. Um... how many people are failing to take ten seconds of internet research for the characters, and to realize that Touchstone is NOT working on the game? |
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** Touchstone is a part of Disney. It's used for non-kid-friendly stuff that the main Disney label would look rather... out-of-place on. |
** Touchstone is a part of Disney. It's used for non-kid-friendly stuff that the main Disney label would look rather... out-of-place on. |
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* The removal of the Alice in Wonderland themed section of the Wasteland because of the Tim Burton film. Just... that. |
* The removal of the Alice in Wonderland themed section of the Wasteland because of the Tim Burton film. Just... that. |
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** Maybe disney never got the rights for it back? |
** Maybe disney never got the rights for it back? |
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*** Disney never had any Gremlin rights issues. The Fifinella were even part of the Dark Horse Return of the Gremlins miniseries. |
*** Disney never had any Gremlin rights issues. The Fifinella were even part of the Dark Horse Return of the Gremlins miniseries. |
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** Hopeful answer: They're saving the fifinella for the sequel. |
** Hopeful answer: They're saving the fifinella for the sequel. |
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== Why was an Alice in Wonderland themed world dropped as to not compete with the Tim Burton Movie but Tron stuff added to the game when a new movie based off Tron came out around the time Epic Mickey was released or at least close to it's release? == |
== Why was an Alice in Wonderland themed world dropped as to not compete with the Tim Burton Movie but Tron stuff added to the game when a new movie based off Tron came out around the time Epic Mickey was released or at least close to it's release? == |
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This is where [[Leaning on the Fourth Wall]] meets [[Mind Screw]]. Whenever a character talks about old shorts they starred in, they make it very clear that they considered themselves ''actors'', and that they are aware that their cartoons are just entertainment for the masses. So if everything that happens in those cartoons is just acting, then why do relationships and actions from them affect how the characters interact in "real life"? Mickey is immediately furious upon seeing Pete for the first time in Mean Street, but why? Everything bad they've done to each other was in a ''cartoon'', and they are perfectly aware of that. Acting is [[Serious Business]], apparently. |
This is where [[Leaning on the Fourth Wall]] meets [[Mind Screw]]. Whenever a character talks about old shorts they starred in, they make it very clear that they considered themselves ''actors'', and that they are aware that their cartoons are just entertainment for the masses. So if everything that happens in those cartoons is just acting, then why do relationships and actions from them affect how the characters interact in "real life"? Mickey is immediately furious upon seeing Pete for the first time in Mean Street, but why? Everything bad they've done to each other was in a ''cartoon'', and they are perfectly aware of that. Acting is [[Serious Business]], apparently. |
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** The Disney comics point towards acting in shorts as Mickey's day job while the comics are his actual adventures. And Pete's been a dick off camera and on panel for the longest time. |
** The Disney comics point towards acting in shorts as Mickey's day job while the comics are his actual adventures. And Pete's been a dick off camera and on panel for the longest time. |
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** Not that this has anything to do with the Disney-verse (except via ''[[Who Framed Roger Rabbit?]])'', but the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' canon seems to imply that the lines are really, ''really'' blurred for the characters involved. They're thrust into crazy situations by whoever's holding the brush, and their stardom simply depends on how they handle the situations. Animator [[Bob Clampett]] attributed [[Bugs Bunny]]'s success over his foes to the fact that he was [[Genre Savvy]] enough to read the script in advance. |
** Not that this has anything to do with the Disney-verse (except via ''[[Who Framed Roger Rabbit?]])'', but the ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' canon seems to imply that the lines are really, ''really'' blurred for the characters involved. They're thrust into crazy situations by whoever's holding the brush, and their stardom simply depends on how they handle the situations. Animator [[Bob Clampett]] attributed [[Bugs Bunny]]'s success over his foes to the fact that he was [[Genre Savvy]] enough to read the script in advance. |
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* The Bunny Kids eat splatters. How is ''eating them alive'' any better than melting them with thinner? |
* The Bunny Kids eat splatters. How is ''eating them alive'' any better than melting them with thinner? |
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