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[[File:family-unfriendly-aesop_6661.gif|link=Calvin and Hobbes|frame| The other moral is "[[False Dichotomy|Logical fallacies]] work."]]
[[File:family-unfriendly-aesop 6661.gif|link=Calvin and Hobbes|frame| The other moral is "[[False Dichotomy|Logical fallacies]] work."]]




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Do this and you have a Family Unfriendly Aesop. If it appeared in a kids' television show, the network would get 32,845 angry e-mails from [[Moral Guardians]] in the first day after airing. And if it appeared in a show for adults, it would still seem jarring, even if it was actually very good advice.
Do this and you have a Family Unfriendly Aesop. If it appeared in a kids' television show, the network would get 32,845 angry e-mails from [[Moral Guardians]] in the first day after airing. And if it appeared in a show for adults, it would still seem jarring, even if it was actually very good advice.


Due to [[Values Dissonance]], a moral that is family unfriendly in one culture may be very family friendly in another, especially morals about social mores or civil rights. This list is for morals that were family unfriendly even for the culture that they were written in. A prime target for [[Anvilicious|dropping anvils ]].
Due to [[Values Dissonance]], a moral that is family unfriendly in one culture may be very family friendly in another, especially morals about social mores or civil rights. This list is for morals that were family unfriendly even for the culture that they were written in. A prime target for [[Anvilicious|dropping anvils]].


'''Note:''' Just because something happens in a story, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]]. Before adding an example to this list, think about whether the example is actually preaching a moral, or if it is simply telling a story to entertain (i.e. a [[Downer Ending]] does not mean it is trying to teach a lesson that life is pointless). If it's not the point of a story, it's not [[An Aesop]]. An unusual moral also doesn't count if it's played for laughs ([[Spoof Aesop]]). If it started out as a good moral, but was broken, that falls under [[Broken Aesop]]. If most people would've considered it a good moral when the work was made but society's moved on since, it's [[Values Dissonance]]. If you are drawing absurd conclusions from a story which doesn't have a moral, take it to [[Warp That Aesop (Darth Wiki)|Warp That Aesop]] on [[Darth Wiki]]. All in all, try to keep presumptuousness to a minimum in interpreting what the story's message is.
'''Note:''' Just because something happens in a story, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a '''Family-Unfriendly Aesop'''. Before adding an example to this list, think about whether the example is actually preaching a moral, or if it is simply telling a story to entertain (i.e. a [[Downer Ending]] does not mean it is trying to teach a lesson that life is pointless). If it's not the point of a story, it's not [[An Aesop]]. An unusual moral also doesn't count if it's played for laughs ([[Spoof Aesop]]). If it started out as a good moral, but was broken, that falls under [[Broken Aesop]]. If most people would've considered it a good moral when the work was made but society's moved on since, it's [[Values Dissonance]]. If you are drawing absurd conclusions from a story which doesn't have a moral, take it to [[Warp That Aesop (Darth Wiki)|Warp That Aesop]] on [[Darth Wiki]]. All in all, try to keep presumptuousness to a minimum in interpreting what the story's message is.


Compare [[Clueless Aesop]] and some cases of [[Unfortunate Implications]]. See also [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong]].
Compare [[Clueless Aesop]] and some cases of [[Unfortunate Implications]]. See also [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong]].
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== Anime & Manga ==
== Anime & Manga ==
* ''[[Pet Shop of Horrors]]'' is based entirely on this, due to the dubious morality of the Pet Shop owner, Count D. While he maintains that he is only giving humanity what they deserve, a good heart is no guarantee of a good outcome -- several of the Count's shadier customers escape unscathed from their deals with the Count, while softer-hearted clients can be "punished" for a minor character flaw. Even if a character undergoes a positive change through being with their pet, such as developing a sense of compassion, they often fall victim to a [[Cruel Twist Ending|tragic twist]]. This may be because he wasn't human - his character reads like one of [[The Fair Folk]], so expect [[Values Dissonance]], because their morality [[Blue and Orange Morality|isn't anything like our own]].
* ''[[Pet Shop of Horrors]]'' is based entirely on this, due to the dubious morality of the Pet Shop owner, Count D. While he maintains that he is only giving humanity what they deserve, a good heart is no guarantee of a good outcome—several of the Count's shadier customers escape unscathed from their deals with the Count, while softer-hearted clients can be "punished" for a minor character flaw. Even if a character undergoes a positive change through being with their pet, such as developing a sense of compassion, they often fall victim to a [[Cruel Twist Ending|tragic twist]]. This may be because he wasn't human - his character reads like one of [[The Fair Folk]], so expect [[Values Dissonance]], because their morality [[Blue and Orange Morality|isn't anything like our own]].
* The same as the above happens in one occasion in ''[[Zatch Bell]]'' when Sherry is confronted with the task of saving her best friend Koko. Not wanting her to feel so depressed, she has Koko's partner, the very one she hated for taking Koko away in the first place, erase Koko's memory so that she forgets the whole thing. After Koko's memory is erased and her personality is changed to 'suit Sherry better' (Of what Sherry describes as "The kind Koko I knew growing up"), Sherry lies upfront to Koko's face to prevent her from knowing the truth. The consequence of this? Sherry gets accepted as having saved Koko, and the two hug and make up, despite neither having really done anything to 'make up' for their tension other than having burned Zofis's book. A heartwarming story, and a great lesson learned there.
* The same as the above happens in one occasion in ''[[Zatch Bell]]'' when Sherry is confronted with the task of saving her best friend Koko. Not wanting her to feel so depressed, she has Koko's partner, the very one she hated for taking Koko away in the first place, erase Koko's memory so that she forgets the whole thing. After Koko's memory is erased and her personality is changed to 'suit Sherry better' (Of what Sherry describes as "The kind Koko I knew growing up"), Sherry lies upfront to Koko's face to prevent her from knowing the truth. The consequence of this? Sherry gets accepted as having saved Koko, and the two hug and make up, despite neither having really done anything to 'make up' for their tension other than having burned Zofis's book. A heartwarming story, and a great lesson learned there.
** To be fair on that one, even if it might have been a form of [[More Than Mind Control]], Zofis did still actively change her personality. You could probably just say that Sherry was just making him undo what he did to her.
** To be fair on that one, even if it might have been a form of [[More Than Mind Control]], Zofis did still actively change her personality. You could probably just say that Sherry was just making him undo what he did to her.
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* While the manga and anime itself has a [[Forgiveness|Family Frie]][[A World Half Full|ndly Aesop]], the [[Fictional Document|creepy children's books]] in ''[[Monster (manga)|Monster]]'' were made like this purposefully by one of the characters to instill nihilism in children. They feature such lovely morals as "It doesn't matter whether you make a deal with the devil or not, because you're screwed either way."
* While the manga and anime itself has a [[Forgiveness|Family Frie]][[A World Half Full|ndly Aesop]], the [[Fictional Document|creepy children's books]] in ''[[Monster (manga)|Monster]]'' were made like this purposefully by one of the characters to instill nihilism in children. They feature such lovely morals as "It doesn't matter whether you make a deal with the devil or not, because you're screwed either way."
** The other, much [[Nightmare Fuel|more horrifying]] story the "God of Peace" gives us (basically), 'no matter how good you are, there will always be darkness inside you, so you should kill yourself'.
** The other, much [[Nightmare Fuel|more horrifying]] story the "God of Peace" gives us (basically), 'no matter how good you are, there will always be darkness inside you, so you should kill yourself'.
* "Honesty is the Best Policy" is one of the [[Stock Aesops]] -- face it, how many shows have you seen where [[Snowball Lie|a little lie leads to bigger ones]], and [[Hilarity Ensues]]? So it's a bit surprising that ''[[Digimon Adventure 02]]'' has one episode [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped|drop an anvil]] that little white lies are justified if lives are on the line.
* "Honesty is the Best Policy" is one of the [[Stock Aesops]]—face it, how many shows have you seen where [[Snowball Lie|a little lie leads to bigger ones]], and [[Hilarity Ensues]]? So it's a bit surprising that ''[[Digimon Adventure 02]]'' has one episode [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped|drop an anvil]] that little white lies are justified if lives are on the line.
* ''[[Kodomo no Omocha]]'' Episode 12 teaches the moral that when your friends are irrationally mad at you and start bullying you for something you can't control, keep apologizing to them over and over again for said thing that wasn't your fault and maybe they'll forgive you!
* ''[[Kodomo no Omocha]]'' Episode 12 teaches the moral that when your friends are irrationally mad at you and start bullying you for something you can't control, keep apologizing to them over and over again for said thing that wasn't your fault and maybe they'll forgive you!
* The moral of the Tsumihoroboshi-hen arc of ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]'' appears to be "friends help friends hide the bodies." But in a more directly stated example, it's okay to hide things from your friends if they don't need to know about it. Even though they're your friends, it doesn't require complete disclosure. While Higurashi certainly emphasizes the importance of trusting your friends, at this point it acknowledges that there are some things people just can't tell others and shouldn't have to.
* The moral of the Tsumihoroboshi-hen arc of ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]'' appears to be "friends help friends hide the bodies." But in a more directly stated example, it's okay to hide things from your friends if they don't need to know about it. Even though they're your friends, it doesn't require complete disclosure. While Higurashi certainly emphasizes the importance of trusting your friends, at this point it acknowledges that there are some things people just can't tell others and shouldn't have to.
** Saikoroshi-hen {{spoiler|(whether you accept it as [[All Just a Dream]] or not)}} seems to advocate a rather ruthless approach to pursuing one's own happiness at the expense of others.
** Saikoroshi-hen {{spoiler|(whether you accept it as [[All Just a Dream]] or not)}} seems to advocate a rather ruthless approach to pursuing one's own happiness at the expense of others.
* The moral of ''[[The Irresponsible Captain Tylor]]'' as a ''series'' can be taken 2 ways: 1) Being an individual in a conformist society will lead to extreme success, or 2) Rigid military discipline is actively bad for winning wars, and treating it like a joke will make everything better. The former is a [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] for the Japanese, and the latter is one for Americans.
* The moral of ''[[The Irresponsible Captain Tylor]]'' as a ''series'' can be taken 2 ways: 1) Being an individual in a conformist society will lead to extreme success, or 2) Rigid military discipline is actively bad for winning wars, and treating it like a joke will make everything better. The former is a Family-Unfriendly Aesop for the Japanese, and the latter is one for Americans.
* In-universe example: in ''[[Urusei Yatsura]]'', Ataru tells a class of kindergartners a story about the legendary Kintaro, who through ceaseless effort, finally became the assistant to a great man.
* In-universe example: in ''[[Urusei Yatsura]]'', Ataru tells a class of kindergartners a story about the legendary Kintaro, who through ceaseless effort, finally became the assistant to a great man.
{{quote|'''Ataru:''' The moral of the story is, "Even if you work like a dog... you can only rise so far in this lousy world!"}}
{{quote|'''Ataru:''' The moral of the story is, "Even if you work like a dog... you can only rise so far in this lousy world!"}}
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** Also note that despite that badass speech, Captain America DID ultimately move.
** Also note that despite that badass speech, Captain America DID ultimately move.
* ''[[Little Orphan Annie]]'' had a [[World War II]] strip where Annie sees a man physically attack an obnoxious war-profiteer simply for expressing an opinion and stops a cop from intervening saying "It's better some times to let folks settle some questions by what you might call democratic processes."
* ''[[Little Orphan Annie]]'' had a [[World War II]] strip where Annie sees a man physically attack an obnoxious war-profiteer simply for expressing an opinion and stops a cop from intervening saying "It's better some times to let folks settle some questions by what you might call democratic processes."
* This is a bit of a mix of [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] and [[Broken Aesop]], but the moral of ''[[Birds of Prey]]: The Battle Within'', the arc from issues 76 to 85, appears to be the fairly stock aesop of "You should accept your friends for who they are and not try to change them," except that what Oracle was trying to change about Huntress is her tendency to kill people. In the end, Oracle apologizes to Huntress, and, in the ''Dead of Winter'' story arc (issues 104-108), actually tells Huntress to use deadly force against the [[Secret Six]] if she thinks it appropriate, possibly making this the [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] that sometimes killing people is a good idea, and very headbangerish as well. Oracle is a Bat for heaven's sake. The one unwavering thing about the Bat Family is that "thou shalt not kill" is mandatory.
* This is a bit of a mix of Family-Unfriendly Aesop and [[Broken Aesop]], but the moral of ''[[Birds of Prey]]: The Battle Within'', the arc from issues 76 to 85, appears to be the fairly stock aesop of "You should accept your friends for who they are and not try to change them," except that what Oracle was trying to change about Huntress is her tendency to kill people. In the end, Oracle apologizes to Huntress, and, in the ''Dead of Winter'' story arc (issues 104-108), actually tells Huntress to use deadly force against the [[Secret Six]] if she thinks it appropriate, possibly making this the Family-Unfriendly Aesop that sometimes killing people is a good idea, and very headbangerish as well. Oracle is a Bat for heaven's sake. The one unwavering thing about the Bat Family is that "thou shalt not kill" is mandatory.




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* [[The Farmer and the Viper|The Scorpion and the Frog]] fable:
* [[The Farmer and the Viper|The Scorpion and the Frog]] fable:
** Taken by itself with no metaphor, the lesson is that a predatory animal (such as the titular scorpion) with enough sapience to communicate with a creature it naturally preys on (the frog) should not attempt to fight its natural instincts and pursue cooperative ventures; Mother Nature made the scorpion to kill prey and trying to be something other than that to the frog will only result in one's predatory instincts rising to the surface at the worst possible time, dooming both to a watery grave. It is better to [[Status Quo Is God|stick with the natural order of things]] than to try to evolve past one's Darwinian trappings.
** Taken by itself with no metaphor, the lesson is that a predatory animal (such as the titular scorpion) with enough sapience to communicate with a creature it naturally preys on (the frog) should not attempt to fight its natural instincts and pursue cooperative ventures; Mother Nature made the scorpion to kill prey and trying to be something other than that to the frog will only result in one's predatory instincts rising to the surface at the worst possible time, dooming both to a watery grave. It is better to [[Status Quo Is God|stick with the natural order of things]] than to try to evolve past one's Darwinian trappings.
** As a metaphor for evil, it suggests [[Always Chaotic Evil|evil is an overriding character trait]] that outweighs self-interest and survival and [[Reformed but Rejected|one should not trust in an evil person]] trying to pull a [[Heel Face Turn]].
** As a metaphor for evil, it suggests [[Exclusively Evil|evil is an overriding character trait]] that outweighs self-interest and survival and [[Reformed but Rejected|one should not trust in an evil person]] trying to pull a [[Heel Face Turn]].
** It's also saying that some people are just plain rotten, and shouldn't be trusted, because of who and what they are.
** It's also saying that some people are just plain rotten, and shouldn't be trusted, because of who and what they are.
* Another well know fable: "The cicada and the ant". The moral is quite simple: if you only have fun and don't work, you'll have consequences, but a deeper analysis turns the fable into an anti-art tale. It seems to be that artists, represented by the cicada dedicated to play beautiful music all day, aren't productive members of society and thus, deserve to die of starvation.
* Another well know fable: "The cicada and the ant". The moral is quite simple: if you only have fun and don't work, you'll have consequences, but a deeper analysis turns the fable into an anti-art tale. It seems to be that artists, represented by the cicada dedicated to play beautiful music all day, aren't productive members of society and thus, deserve to die of starvation.
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* The only obvious moral of the tale of [[Hansel and Gretel]] is: it's perfectly acceptable to break into someone's home and take their stuff (or eat it, if it happens to be made of gingerbread), and when the owner of the house is justifiably angry, she deserves to get murdered. Really, why is the witch the bad guy in this story again? Some tellings of this story make it so that the witch actually states that she deliberately built her house of gingerbread in order to lure children to be eaten, and some imply that the witch and the stepmother are in fact the same person.
* The only obvious moral of the tale of [[Hansel and Gretel]] is: it's perfectly acceptable to break into someone's home and take their stuff (or eat it, if it happens to be made of gingerbread), and when the owner of the house is justifiably angry, she deserves to get murdered. Really, why is the witch the bad guy in this story again? Some tellings of this story make it so that the witch actually states that she deliberately built her house of gingerbread in order to lure children to be eaten, and some imply that the witch and the stepmother are in fact the same person.
** It is perfectly fine for the witch to get angry but not for her to express that anger by trying to eat the children.
** It is perfectly fine for the witch to get angry but not for her to express that anger by trying to eat the children.
* ''[[The Ugly Duckling]]'' has many of these. One seems to be that, if people bully you for being different don't worry. Deep down you are superior to all of them. In addition, it's wrong to bully people for being ugly -- not because it's cruel, but because they may actually be [[Beautiful All Along]].
* ''[[The Ugly Duckling]]'' has many of these. One seems to be that, if people bully you for being different don't worry. Deep down you are superior to all of them. In addition, it's wrong to bully people for being ugly—not because it's cruel, but because they may actually be [[Beautiful All Along]].




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* ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' does this twice with the same character, "Steamboat Willie" (the unnamed German soldier they consider murdering). First, the Allied soldier who does not want to commit a war crime by killing a surrendering German is portrayed as a complete wimp, unable to fire his gun even as his friends and comrades are being killed. Second, if a squad doesn't murder POWs, they'll come back to kill.
* ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' does this twice with the same character, "Steamboat Willie" (the unnamed German soldier they consider murdering). First, the Allied soldier who does not want to commit a war crime by killing a surrendering German is portrayed as a complete wimp, unable to fire his gun even as his friends and comrades are being killed. Second, if a squad doesn't murder POWs, they'll come back to kill.
* ''[[Death Wish]]'' and many other movies with a [[Vigilante Man]] as a protagonist give a clear message that murder can be beneficial to society. Also, "playing by the rules" usually means "avoid shooting suspects," and any [[Cowboy Cop]] worth his salt never does that.
* ''[[Death Wish]]'' and many other movies with a [[Vigilante Man]] as a protagonist give a clear message that murder can be beneficial to society. Also, "playing by the rules" usually means "avoid shooting suspects," and any [[Cowboy Cop]] worth his salt never does that.
** ''[[Cobra]]'' takes it further with the notion that policemen should always shoot first and never ask questions because all criminals, without exception, are [[Ax Crazy]] [[Nietzsche Wannabe|Nietzsche Wannabes]] who will constantly murder innocents [[For the Evulz]] until they're killed, and due process only allows them to get off scott-free.
** ''[[Cobra]]'' takes it further with the notion that policemen should always shoot first and never ask questions because all criminals, without exception, are [[Ax Crazy]] [[Nietzsche Wannabe]]s who will constantly murder innocents [[For the Evulz]] until they're killed, and due process only allows them to get off scott-free.
* F. W. Murnau's classic silent film ''Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans''. If your husband attempts to drown you but then backs out at the last second, you should totally forgive him and not tell the police or anything. In fact, it will even breathe new life into your failing marriage.
* F. W. Murnau's classic silent film ''Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans''. If your husband attempts to drown you but then backs out at the last second, you should totally forgive him and not tell the police or anything. In fact, it will even breathe new life into your failing marriage.
* ''[[The Dark Knight Saga]]'' argues through Rachel's letter and the ending that sometimes a deception is better than the truth.
* ''[[The Dark Knight Saga]]'' argues through Rachel's letter and the ending that sometimes a deception is better than the truth.
** Or that [[The Power of Legacy|it's better to frame yourself]] '''''[[The Power of Legacy|for murder]]''''' [[The Power of Legacy|than to let people know an elected official wasn't really made of]] [[Incorruptible Pure Pureness]].
** Or that [[The Power of Legacy|it's better to frame yourself]] '''''[[The Power of Legacy|for murder]]''''' [[The Power of Legacy|than to let people know an elected official wasn't really made of]] [[Incorruptible Pure Pureness]].
** In reality, the Batman franchise as a whole has a [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]]: a single vigilante who is outside of the law, or any form of regulation aside from what he imposes on himself, going around beating people to a pulp is what people really need, because [[Police Are Useless|the police are too corrupt and incompetent to do anything right.]] Due process of the law is unnecessary. Especially if you're a rich white guy.
** In reality, the Batman franchise as a whole has a Family-Unfriendly Aesop: a single vigilante who is outside of the law, or any form of regulation aside from what he imposes on himself, going around beating people to a pulp is what people really need, because [[Police Are Useless|the police are too corrupt and incompetent to do anything right.]] Due process of the law is unnecessary. Especially if you're a rich white guy.
*** ''[[The Dark Knight Saga]]'' actually argues the opposite, that Harvey Dent will be the true savior of Gotham, that the citizens need the White Knight with his fairness and his prominent role in the legal system more than they need the Dark Knight. It states that a legal system, where criminals are brought to trial and jailed, is better than Batman's methods, but the system has been corrupted too much to do it. Batman does what he does only in absence of strong civil institutions, not because the superhero way is better, and he hopes that Dent can purge the system of its corruption and make Batman unnecessary.
*** ''[[The Dark Knight Saga]]'' actually argues the opposite, that Harvey Dent will be the true savior of Gotham, that the citizens need the White Knight with his fairness and his prominent role in the legal system more than they need the Dark Knight. It states that a legal system, where criminals are brought to trial and jailed, is better than Batman's methods, but the system has been corrupted too much to do it. Batman does what he does only in absence of strong civil institutions, not because the superhero way is better, and he hopes that Dent can purge the system of its corruption and make Batman unnecessary.
* In ''[[Ferris Bueller's Day Off|Ferris Buellers Day Off]]'', living life to the fullest means being willing to lie, cheat, and steal.
* In ''[[Ferris Bueller's Day Off|Ferris Buellers Day Off]]'', living life to the fullest means being willing to lie, cheat, and steal.
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* The moral of ''[[The Screaming Skull]]'', according to the folks of [[Mystery Science Theater 3000]], is "Don't trust anyone. ''Ever''."
* The moral of ''[[The Screaming Skull]]'', according to the folks of [[Mystery Science Theater 3000]], is "Don't trust anyone. ''Ever''."
** "Well Mike, what I learned from today's movie (Hobgoblins) is that Daphne is a slut, and that Amy wasn't fun until she became a slut." [[Sarcasm Mode|"Well that's the fun message!"]]
** "Well Mike, what I learned from today's movie (Hobgoblins) is that Daphne is a slut, and that Amy wasn't fun until she became a slut." [[Sarcasm Mode|"Well that's the fun message!"]]
* Subverted with ''[[Wall Street]]''; Gecko's "greed is good" speech was mistaken for the movie's [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]], but only by viewers who were [[Misaimed Fandom|missing the point]]; the point was simply to show that Gecko was an [[Wicked Cultured|eloquent villain]], but a villain nonetheless.
* Subverted with ''[[Wall Street]]''; Gecko's "greed is good" speech was mistaken for the movie's Family-Unfriendly Aesop, but only by viewers who were [[Misaimed Fandom|missing the point]]; the point was simply to show that Gecko was an [[Wicked Cultured|eloquent villain]], but a villain nonetheless.
* ''[[Home Alone]]'': Kids, according to this movie, booby-trapping your house will make it safer. Also, if you see criminals, you should make fun of them and try to make them so angry that they want to kill you. (Chances are, even if you're a kid, you can see the problem with the previous sentence and the danger in following it.)
* ''[[Home Alone]]'': Kids, according to this movie, booby-trapping your house will make it safer. Also, if you see criminals, you should make fun of them and try to make them so angry that they want to kill you. (Chances are, even if you're a kid, you can see the problem with the previous sentence and the danger in following it.)
* ''[[Mystery Team]]'': Wacky vigilantism is the only way to solve a crime.
* ''[[Mystery Team]]'': Wacky vigilantism is the only way to solve a crime.
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** Lets not forget that they're 'evil' goal is...to help the Federation bring a medicine to countless worlds, saving untold lives and maybe even helping people like Geordi regain natural sight. [[And That's Terrible|And that's... terrible?]]
** Lets not forget that they're 'evil' goal is...to help the Federation bring a medicine to countless worlds, saving untold lives and maybe even helping people like Geordi regain natural sight. [[And That's Terrible|And that's... terrible?]]
** And the more conventional Aesop about the planet's rejuvenating powers: "Finders keepers, losers weepers".
** And the more conventional Aesop about the planet's rejuvenating powers: "Finders keepers, losers weepers".
* Jane Elliot's "Bluest Eye" documentaries have skewed rather horribly in this direction. Elliott was the teacher who one day stuck her brown-eyed kids in collars and forbade them recess because blue-eyed kids were smarter -- intending to demonstrate how easily racism took hold. One of the more recent films she's done, ''The Stolen Eye,'' is set in Australia. Really winning moments include the fun part where she dismisses the idea that blue-eyed Greeks could possibly be treated less well than blue-eyed Northern Europeans, the bit where she congratulates a Holocaust survivor on how [[Completely Missing the Point|lucky]] she is not to be visibly dark-skinned -- and also, [[Broken Aesop|more topically]], the many moments where she excruciatingly brow-beats people of Aboriginal descent into being cruel to the blue-eyed folk, actually ''forcing'' them to enact her disturbing Aesop of "Oh, everyone will be slighting and cruel to those who are degraded by authority figures. You ''should'' fear minorities, white people. Because they're waiting for their chance. ''They want to do this to you.''"
* Jane Elliot's "Bluest Eye" documentaries have skewed rather horribly in this direction. Elliott was the teacher who one day stuck her brown-eyed kids in collars and forbade them recess because blue-eyed kids were smarter—intending to demonstrate how easily racism took hold. One of the more recent films she's done, ''The Stolen Eye,'' is set in Australia. Really winning moments include the fun part where she dismisses the idea that blue-eyed Greeks could possibly be treated less well than blue-eyed Northern Europeans, the bit where she congratulates a Holocaust survivor on how [[Completely Missing the Point|lucky]] she is not to be visibly dark-skinned—and also, [[Broken Aesop|more topically]], the many moments where she excruciatingly brow-beats people of Aboriginal descent into being cruel to the blue-eyed folk, actually ''forcing'' them to enact her disturbing Aesop of "Oh, everyone will be slighting and cruel to those who are degraded by authority figures. You ''should'' fear minorities, white people. Because they're waiting for their chance. ''They want to do this to you.''"
* The Centron educational film "The Snob" might have turned out better if it didn't define "snob" as "student who studies harder than, and has different interests than, the majority." The [[Informed Flaw|so-called snob]] of the film is never seen actually shunning or looking down on her peers. She just doesn't want to participate because her interests are different. If anything, her peers are being snobs to ''her,'' saying nasty things about her behind her back and heaping shame on her for not being like them. The only time she shows any dislike for them at all is in response to this treatment. Thus, the message becomes "if your interests are different than the crowd's, then you must be a stuck-up jerk who looks down on them and any abuse they heap on your is totally justified. The only way not to be a snob is to CONFORM!"
* The Centron educational film "The Snob" might have turned out better if it didn't define "snob" as "student who studies harder than, and has different interests than, the majority." The [[Informed Flaw|so-called snob]] of the film is never seen actually shunning or looking down on her peers. She just doesn't want to participate because her interests are different. If anything, her peers are being snobs to ''her,'' saying nasty things about her behind her back and heaping shame on her for not being like them. The only time she shows any dislike for them at all is in response to this treatment. Thus, the message becomes "if your interests are different than the crowd's, then you must be a stuck-up jerk who looks down on them and any abuse they heap on your is totally justified. The only way not to be a snob is to CONFORM!"
* It's not family-friendly anyways, but the basic moral for ''[[Drag Me to Hell]]'' is that you'd better be extremely generous and supply a person with an extension to their mortgage, otherwise, that person will curse you to Hell for it. Even if said person has failed enough times to not be trusted with a mortgage extension (failing to pay it off twice, at least).
* It's not family-friendly anyways, but the basic moral for ''[[Drag Me to Hell]]'' is that you'd better be extremely generous and supply a person with an extension to their mortgage, otherwise, that person will curse you to Hell for it. Even if said person has failed enough times to not be trusted with a mortgage extension (failing to pay it off twice, at least).
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*** And finally, several people have detected the truly Family Unfriendly "It's better to [[I Just Want to Be Normal|Just Be Normal]], because if there is anything that makes you different or special, your [[Parental Abandonment|family and friends will shun and abandon you]]." [http://www.scary-crayon.com/print/rabbitredwings/ Scary-Crayon] is an example of this one.
*** And finally, several people have detected the truly Family Unfriendly "It's better to [[I Just Want to Be Normal|Just Be Normal]], because if there is anything that makes you different or special, your [[Parental Abandonment|family and friends will shun and abandon you]]." [http://www.scary-crayon.com/print/rabbitredwings/ Scary-Crayon] is an example of this one.
* [[Dr. Seuss]]'s ''[[Green Eggs and Ham]]'' has a perfectly nice Aesop about not deciding you don't like something until you've tried it. However, it delivers said Aesop in the form of a little creature named "Sam I Am," who stalks and harasses the protagonist until he finally breaks down and agrees to try the eponymous meal. An additional Aesop seems to be "Peer pressure can be good for you, as long as it teaches you something positive." This is in fact [[Truth in Television]], as there is a thing called positive peer pressure.
* [[Dr. Seuss]]'s ''[[Green Eggs and Ham]]'' has a perfectly nice Aesop about not deciding you don't like something until you've tried it. However, it delivers said Aesop in the form of a little creature named "Sam I Am," who stalks and harasses the protagonist until he finally breaks down and agrees to try the eponymous meal. An additional Aesop seems to be "Peer pressure can be good for you, as long as it teaches you something positive." This is in fact [[Truth in Television]], as there is a thing called positive peer pressure.
* In the famous science fiction short story "The Cold Equations," the moral is "life is fundamentally unfair." This moral was a very deliberate Family Unfriendly Aesop, serving as a [[Deconstruction]] of stories where the day is always saved somehow, all too often by [[Contrived Coincidence|Contrived Coincidences]] or [[Applied Phlebotinum]]. However, [http://home.tiac.net/~cri_d/cri/1999/coldeq.html some people] were not impressed, feeling that the writer created a [[Idiot Plot|very contrived situation]] riddled with [[The Cold Equations/Headscratchers|logic holes]] to justify the Aesop.
* In the famous science fiction short story "The Cold Equations," the moral is "life is fundamentally unfair." This moral was a very deliberate Family Unfriendly Aesop, serving as a [[Deconstruction]] of stories where the day is always saved somehow, all too often by [[Contrived Coincidence]]s or [[Applied Phlebotinum]]. However, [http://home.tiac.net/~cri_d/cri/1999/coldeq.html some people] were not impressed, feeling that the writer created a [[Idiot Plot|very contrived situation]] riddled with [[The Cold Equations/Headscratchers|logic holes]] to justify the Aesop.
* In ''[[Harriet the Spy]]'', young writer Harriet learns that sometimes you have to lie to people to help them feel better about themselves so they won't hate you.
* In ''[[Harriet the Spy]]'', young writer Harriet learns that sometimes you have to lie to people to help them feel better about themselves so they won't hate you.
** There's also the fact that her mother forces her to "admit" she feels guilty about her friends' hurt feelings after they read her private journal. Harriet makes a good point that it was her journal, she clearly forbade people from reading it, and that they had no right to do so. Mom seems to think that Harriet should feel guilty for writing the stuff down as well as for her friends' negative reactions. Eventually, Harriet agrees with what her mom wants her to say, basically so Mom will stop with the badgering.
** There's also the fact that her mother forces her to "admit" she feels guilty about her friends' hurt feelings after they read her private journal. Harriet makes a good point that it was her journal, she clearly forbade people from reading it, and that they had no right to do so. Mom seems to think that Harriet should feel guilty for writing the stuff down as well as for her friends' negative reactions. Eventually, Harriet agrees with what her mom wants her to say, basically so Mom will stop with the badgering.
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** Not to mention the idea of simply being able to ''buy'' friendship.
** Not to mention the idea of simply being able to ''buy'' friendship.
** Or perhaps the concept that if you are superior in any way, nobody will like you. Or that everyone's shallow enough that they ''will'' like you if you give each of them a single entirely useless item.
** Or perhaps the concept that if you are superior in any way, nobody will like you. Or that everyone's shallow enough that they ''will'' like you if you give each of them a single entirely useless item.
* ''Perelandra'', the second book of the ''[[Literature/Space|Space]]'' trilogy by [[C. S. Lewis]]. The plot of the book is that the planet Venus is in the "Adam and Eve" phase and the devil has sent his agent -- a man named Professor Weston -- to corrupt "Eve." The angels send a man named Elwin Ransom to make sure that Tinidril chooses wisely. In the end, good triumphs over evil, but in an unexpected way: {{spoiler|Ransom kills Weston and drops his body into a volcano.}}
* ''Perelandra'', the second book of the ''[[Literature/Space|Space]]'' trilogy by [[C. S. Lewis]]. The plot of the book is that the planet Venus is in the "Adam and Eve" phase and the devil has sent his agent—a man named Professor Weston—to corrupt "Eve." The angels send a man named Elwin Ransom to make sure that Tinidril chooses wisely. In the end, good triumphs over evil, but in an unexpected way: {{spoiler|Ransom kills Weston and drops his body into a volcano.}}
** This is actually [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshaded]] by the protagonist, {{spoiler|who assumed that the fight would be purely intellectual, that he would win by the sheer force of his argument; and was initially horrified at the idea that he'd have to make the fight a physical one.}} It was very much a [[Take That]] at the pacifists who opposed Great Britain's military opposition to the evils of Nazi Germany and promoted Neville Chamberlain's appeasement policy; and against the anti-confrontational passivity that was popular in much of the liberal Christian community.
** This is actually [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshaded]] by the protagonist, {{spoiler|who assumed that the fight would be purely intellectual, that he would win by the sheer force of his argument; and was initially horrified at the idea that he'd have to make the fight a physical one.}} It was very much a [[Take That]] at the pacifists who opposed Great Britain's military opposition to the evils of Nazi Germany and promoted Neville Chamberlain's appeasement policy; and against the anti-confrontational passivity that was popular in much of the liberal Christian community.
* A character in ''[[Slaughterhouse-Five]]'' suggests that [[The Bible]]'s [[Aesop]] is that you should make sure someone doesn't have connections before you kill them.
* A character in ''[[Slaughterhouse-Five]]'' suggests that [[The Bible]]'s [[Aesop]] is that you should make sure someone doesn't have connections before you kill them.
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* ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]'' contain the lesson that the real world is a harsh and violent place that sometimes takes a fair amount of violence to survive in. [[C. S. Lewis|CS Lewis]] was even quoted once as saying that pretending otherwise would do a great disservice to children. Once again, an example of a very true and important Aesop, but one that many parents would rather their children didn't know.
* ''[[The Chronicles of Narnia]]'' contain the lesson that the real world is a harsh and violent place that sometimes takes a fair amount of violence to survive in. [[C. S. Lewis|CS Lewis]] was even quoted once as saying that pretending otherwise would do a great disservice to children. Once again, an example of a very true and important Aesop, but one that many parents would rather their children didn't know.
* One of the [[Stock Aesops]] is that cowardice doesn't pay. In extreme cases, the brave survives where the coward dies (sometimes [[Driven to Suicide]]), or alternatively they both both survive/die, but the coward is marked forever. So it comes as a tragic surprise that in [[Bridge to Terabithia]], {{spoiler|Leslie, who had no fear from the creek, drowns, whereas Jess, who feared the water (and couldn't swim) survives - and while he does suffer, it's not because of cowardice.}}
* One of the [[Stock Aesops]] is that cowardice doesn't pay. In extreme cases, the brave survives where the coward dies (sometimes [[Driven to Suicide]]), or alternatively they both both survive/die, but the coward is marked forever. So it comes as a tragic surprise that in [[Bridge to Terabithia]], {{spoiler|Leslie, who had no fear from the creek, drowns, whereas Jess, who feared the water (and couldn't swim) survives - and while he does suffer, it's not because of cowardice.}}
* The Roger McGough poem ''Badgers and Goodgers'', in which badgers are portrayed as an [[Always Chaotic Evil]] species, while their cousins, the goodgers, are [[Always Lawful Good]]. When a series of natural disasters hits the forest (culminating in a [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|'Great Jazz Revival']]), the greedy, selfish baders are able to survive through their scheming and hoarding, while the compassionate goodgers feel compelled to help the other forest denizens and starve themselves to extinction because they're unable to care for themselves. In a [[Bittersweet Ending]], Pan the animal spirit anoints the black fur of the badgers with white, in memory of their cousins, and gets them to renounce their selfish ways.
* The Roger McGough poem ''Badgers and Goodgers'', in which badgers are portrayed as an [[Exclusively Evil]] species, while their cousins, the goodgers, are [[Always Lawful Good]]. When a series of natural disasters hits the forest (culminating in a [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|'Great Jazz Revival']]), the greedy, selfish baders are able to survive through their scheming and hoarding, while the compassionate goodgers feel compelled to help the other forest denizens and starve themselves to extinction because they're unable to care for themselves. In a [[Bittersweet Ending]], Pan the animal spirit anoints the black fur of the badgers with white, in memory of their cousins, and gets them to renounce their selfish ways.
* Another classical [[An Aesop|Moral]] is that having imagination is ''good''. So ''[[When The Windman Comes]]'' by Antonia Michaelis is a HUGE subversion, with the Moral "imagination, when not strictly separated from reality, is potentially very dangerous - it can isolate you and make you live in fear of imaginary horrors - all the while making you more vulnerable to [[Real Life]]. Sometimes, being a sceptic is favorable, even for a child." This is particularly jarring since many other books by the same author actually promote imagination and/or openness to seemeingly impossible things.
* Another classical [[An Aesop|Moral]] is that having imagination is ''good''. So ''[[When The Windman Comes]]'' by Antonia Michaelis is a HUGE subversion, with the Moral "imagination, when not strictly separated from reality, is potentially very dangerous - it can isolate you and make you live in fear of imaginary horrors - all the while making you more vulnerable to [[Real Life]]. Sometimes, being a sceptic is favorable, even for a child." This is particularly jarring since many other books by the same author actually promote imagination and/or openness to seemeingly impossible things.
** A lesser "strange" Aesop is "You shouldn't be that afraid of strangers. Even though you are a child, that scary old man actually means you no harm".
** A lesser "strange" Aesop is "You shouldn't be that afraid of strangers. Even though you are a child, that scary old man actually means you no harm".
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{{quote|"I don't want to trade today, Mr. Mole ..."
{{quote|"I don't want to trade today, Mr. Mole ..."
"That's okay, I'm just going to ''take'' what I want!" }}
"That's okay, I'm just going to ''take'' what I want!" }}
** Even more fun is ''Morgan Morning'', which features a cute little brown foal who disobeys his mother and consequently falls down a cliff. His mother and the rest of the herd can't help him, so they sadly go graze somewhere else -- explicitly [[Nightmare Fuel|leaving him there to die alone]]. The little pony lies weeping at the bottom of the cliff when a disembodied voice tells him that if he'll agree never ever to see his (also brown) mother again, he can live (why does this need to be mentioned? He was already never going to see her again). He makes the bargain and "is reborn/to live -- maybe die -- a unicorn!" Leaving the reader with three questions:
** Even more fun is ''Morgan Morning'', which features a cute little brown foal who disobeys his mother and consequently falls down a cliff. His mother and the rest of the herd can't help him, so they sadly go graze somewhere else—explicitly [[Nightmare Fuel|leaving him there to die alone]]. The little pony lies weeping at the bottom of the cliff when a disembodied voice tells him that if he'll agree never ever to see his (also brown) mother again, he can live (why does this need to be mentioned? He was already never going to see her again). He makes the bargain and "is reborn/to live -- maybe die -- a unicorn!" Leaving the reader with three questions:
*** Is this book supposed to tell me that Mommy will leave me alone to die if I'm disobedient even one time? Because that's what I'm getting.
*** Is this book supposed to tell me that Mommy will leave me alone to die if I'm disobedient even one time? Because that's what I'm getting.
*** [[Fridge Logic|Wait]] -- verbally eschewing or recanting his brown pony family allows him to pass for a [[Fantastic Racism|magical white pony]] as long as he doesn't try to have contact with brown ponies, even though he can totally go see them now, because he's better than them and they might revert him to his old inferior ways? ''Are you kidding me?''
*** [[Fridge Logic|Wait]]—verbally eschewing or recanting his brown pony family allows him to pass for a [[Fantastic Racism|magical white pony]] as long as he doesn't try to have contact with brown ponies, even though he can totally go see them now, because he's better than them and they might revert him to his old inferior ways? ''Are you kidding me?''
*** This thing was sold with a pretty unicorn smiling amongst butterflies on the [http://www.amazon.com/Morgan-Morning-Serendipity-Stephen-Cosgrove/dp/0843139234#reader_0843139234 cover]? ''[[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?|ON A LOW SHELF?]]''
*** This thing was sold with a pretty unicorn smiling amongst butterflies on the [http://www.amazon.com/Morgan-Morning-Serendipity-Stephen-Cosgrove/dp/0843139234#reader_0843139234 cover]? ''[[What Do You Mean It's Not for Kids?|ON A LOW SHELF?]]''
* ''[[The Miraculous Journey Of Edward Tulane]]'' by [[Kate DiCamillo]] is pretty obviously intended to be didactic ... somehow. Some people read the titular china bunny rabbit doll as a sort of naively-selfish Fool who learns that he's a Jesus figure whose true value lies in helping people. Other readers can't help but notice that Edward inevitably and uncontrollably leaves everyone he "helps" broken, grieving, more alone than when he arrived, at the mercy of crueler people, with their relationship with Edward Tulane ([[Gender Bender|or Susannah, whatever]]) having stopped just agonizingly short of being fulfilling, and tending to end in deception or violence or emotional brutality or all three. Don't make friends, kids. The world will take them away and they'll be more hurt because you can't get back to them. Ever. Because life? It's ''so'' not under your control. Don't try.
* ''[[The Miraculous Journey Of Edward Tulane]]'' by [[Kate DiCamillo]] is pretty obviously intended to be didactic ... somehow. Some people read the titular china bunny rabbit doll as a sort of naively-selfish Fool who learns that he's a Jesus figure whose true value lies in helping people. Other readers can't help but notice that Edward inevitably and uncontrollably leaves everyone he "helps" broken, grieving, more alone than when he arrived, at the mercy of crueler people, with their relationship with Edward Tulane ([[Gender Bender|or Susannah, whatever]]) having stopped just agonizingly short of being fulfilling, and tending to end in deception or violence or emotional brutality or all three. Don't make friends, kids. The world will take them away and they'll be more hurt because you can't get back to them. Ever. Because life? It's ''so'' not under your control. Don't try.
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== Live Action TV ==
== Live Action TV ==
* ''[[Degrassi]],'' despite its [[Anvilicious|heavy-handedness]], frequently has morals that are widely believed by teenagers but are unusual for adults. This may be a huge part of the show's appeal to teens.
* ''[[Degrassi]],'' despite its [[Anvilicious|heavy-handedness]], frequently has morals that are widely believed by teenagers but are unusual for adults. This may be a huge part of the show's appeal to teens.
** Emma is still hurting after being dumped by her boyfriend Sean, so she starts purposely getting him in trouble -- from ratting him and his friends out when they steal from a diner, to ratting to the principal that he stole her dad's laptop (an accusation later proved to be correct). Later, Emma learns that she should just move on and leave Sean alone, despite his misdeeds so the moral is "no matter how horrible somebody is to you, tattling on them is worse."
** Emma is still hurting after being dumped by her boyfriend Sean, so she starts purposely getting him in trouble—from ratting him and his friends out when they steal from a diner, to ratting to the principal that he stole her dad's laptop (an accusation later proved to be correct). Later, Emma learns that she should just move on and leave Sean alone, despite his misdeeds so the moral is "no matter how horrible somebody is to you, tattling on them is worse."
*** Or maybe it's just "revenge is a dish best served never"
*** Or maybe it's just "revenge is a dish best served never"
*** This one is actually getting more and more into the public consciousness. Many recent ''[[Law & Order|Law and Order]]'' episodes hinge on someone (usually black) with a healthy hatred of cops deciding whether to "snitch" or whether to take critical information that would either exonerate them or get justice for a murdered family member to the grave.
*** This one is actually getting more and more into the public consciousness. Many recent ''[[Law & Order|Law and Order]]'' episodes hinge on someone (usually black) with a healthy hatred of cops deciding whether to "snitch" or whether to take critical information that would either exonerate them or get justice for a murdered family member to the grave.
** Bitter [[Goth]] girl Ellie has to learn to trust people again after her boyfriend abandons her and sticks her with the rent. Specifically, she learns to trust both her new roommate -- a recently reformed schoolyard bully who wants to gamble with their rent money -- and her mother, a recovering alcoholic who once burned their house down in a drunken stupor. Both of them turn out to be ''completely'' trustworthy. This is on the extreme idealistic end of the [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism]], so idealistic that it can feel like "take candy from strangers."
** Bitter [[Goth]] girl Ellie has to learn to trust people again after her boyfriend abandons her and sticks her with the rent. Specifically, she learns to trust both her new roommate—a recently reformed schoolyard bully who wants to gamble with their rent money—and her mother, a recovering alcoholic who once burned their house down in a drunken stupor. Both of them turn out to be ''completely'' trustworthy. This is on the extreme idealistic end of the [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism]], so idealistic that it can feel like "take candy from strangers."
** [[Alpha Bitch|Paige]] has a completely horrendous experience at Banting University. The next season, she's dropped out and despite working a high intensity fashion industry job, she's a lot happier. In season 9, Emma drops out of Smithdale due to the same issues Paige was facing. Spinner never goes to college and basically works a standard 9 to 5 restaurant job and couldn't be more content. The lesson of "College isn't for everyone/you can be successful and happy without going to college" pretty much flies in the face of almost every show aimed towards young audiences.
** [[Alpha Bitch|Paige]] has a completely horrendous experience at Banting University. The next season, she's dropped out and despite working a high intensity fashion industry job, she's a lot happier. In season 9, Emma drops out of Smithdale due to the same issues Paige was facing. Spinner never goes to college and basically works a standard 9 to 5 restaurant job and couldn't be more content. The lesson of "College isn't for everyone/you can be successful and happy without going to college" pretty much flies in the face of almost every show aimed towards young audiences.
*** This is likely due to the difference between American and Canadian attitudes towards college. In Canada, high school is more comprehensive and involves (optional) job training; it's much easier to be middle class in Canada with a high school diploma than in the US.
*** This is likely due to the difference between American and Canadian attitudes towards college. In Canada, high school is more comprehensive and involves (optional) job training; it's much easier to be middle class in Canada with a high school diploma than in the US.
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** Jane is being harassed by the new Degrassi football team since she's the only female player. The coach [[Jerk Jock|(who is also the principal)]] is turning a blind eye. She does the "right thing" - she tells another adult about the harassment but bullying worsens and she's actually assaulted in the hallway. It isn't until she makes a stand for herself (along with a handful of teammates behind her) that bullying goes away. This episode actually makes the case it's better to stand up against bullies yourself and that telling about an adult could make the bullying ''intensify.''
** Jane is being harassed by the new Degrassi football team since she's the only female player. The coach [[Jerk Jock|(who is also the principal)]] is turning a blind eye. She does the "right thing" - she tells another adult about the harassment but bullying worsens and she's actually assaulted in the hallway. It isn't until she makes a stand for herself (along with a handful of teammates behind her) that bullying goes away. This episode actually makes the case it's better to stand up against bullies yourself and that telling about an adult could make the bullying ''intensify.''
*** This is unfortunately often true, as the response of school authorities is to try and stop [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong|the complaining student]] since it is easier to oppress a student until they stop reporting the problems than it is to deal with the issue of students bullying, which usually involves parents, [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong|ironically complaining]] that the complainer is "overly sensitive" or "has issues," which leads to intensified bullying because the bullies know that they will not be punished. This is just the general rule of thumb that it is easier to ignore a problem than deal with it.
*** This is unfortunately often true, as the response of school authorities is to try and stop [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong|the complaining student]] since it is easier to oppress a student until they stop reporting the problems than it is to deal with the issue of students bullying, which usually involves parents, [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong|ironically complaining]] that the complainer is "overly sensitive" or "has issues," which leads to intensified bullying because the bullies know that they will not be punished. This is just the general rule of thumb that it is easier to ignore a problem than deal with it.
** Some people might think episode 3 of season 10 had the message [["It's Not Rape If You Enjoyed It"]]: Declan is trying to reunite with Holly J (they're on a break after disagreement on money issues) and he pulls off all the stops trying to get her alone. They end up having sex -- but Holly J at first verbally says "No" and "No, we shouldn't be doing this" but then later ends up kissing him and they initiate sex. At the end of the episode, Holly J clearly says to Declan (who is utterly disgusted with himself and nearly flees Toronto after finding out Holly J felt pressured to have sex) "I don't think you raped me." There is already a [[Broken Base]] on how the show handled this topic, some saying it [[Degrassi]] basically excused rape and others sayings they accurately portrayed the blurred lines in between date rape and regretted sex. Degrassi always tried to look at controversial topics in a realistic way. Compare this with the Paige storyline, wherein she's date-raped at a party, presses charges, and the guy is acquitted due to "lack of evidence," despite the judge's commendation of Paige's bravery in taking the case to trial. It's supposed to be open for debate and dialogue.
** Some people might think episode 3 of season 10 had the message [["It's Not Rape If You Enjoyed It"]]: Declan is trying to reunite with Holly J (they're on a break after disagreement on money issues) and he pulls off all the stops trying to get her alone. They end up having sex—but Holly J at first verbally says "No" and "No, we shouldn't be doing this" but then later ends up kissing him and they initiate sex. At the end of the episode, Holly J clearly says to Declan (who is utterly disgusted with himself and nearly flees Toronto after finding out Holly J felt pressured to have sex) "I don't think you raped me." There is already a [[Broken Base]] on how the show handled this topic, some saying it [[Degrassi]] basically excused rape and others sayings they accurately portrayed the blurred lines in between date rape and regretted sex. Degrassi always tried to look at controversial topics in a realistic way. Compare this with the Paige storyline, wherein she's date-raped at a party, presses charges, and the guy is acquitted due to "lack of evidence," despite the judge's commendation of Paige's bravery in taking the case to trial. It's supposed to be open for debate and dialogue.
* Similarly, almost every episode of ''[[Radio Free Roscoe]]'' has the moral that [[Adults Are Useless]], so teens should defy and disobey them whenever possible. What makes it even more interesting is that it's always played as an [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism|idealistic]] moral -- not "adults will always screw you over," but "disobey adults and everything will turn out happy." An example: In "The Boxer," the [[Jerkass]] principal is serving as a substitute history teacher on the Boxer Rebellion, which he knows nothing about. So his lectures are biased, inaccurate, and a bit racist... and in response, one of his students ''corrects every one of his errors, out loud, in front of the class.'' By the end of the episode, the principal and the student are teaming up to teach a better lesson. In a less idealistic show, the principal would have arbitrarily slapped the kid down with his authority.
* Similarly, almost every episode of ''[[Radio Free Roscoe]]'' has the moral that [[Adults Are Useless]], so teens should defy and disobey them whenever possible. What makes it even more interesting is that it's always played as an [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism|idealistic]] moral—not "adults will always screw you over," but "disobey adults and everything will turn out happy." An example: In "The Boxer," the [[Jerkass]] principal is serving as a substitute history teacher on the Boxer Rebellion, which he knows nothing about. So his lectures are biased, inaccurate, and a bit racist... and in response, one of his students ''corrects every one of his errors, out loud, in front of the class.'' By the end of the episode, the principal and the student are teaming up to teach a better lesson. In a less idealistic show, the principal would have arbitrarily slapped the kid down with his authority.
* On ''[[Barney and Friends]]'', there are some instances which may give the false impression that cheating is okay. In "A Splash Party, Please," when Barney and the kids are having a tug o' war, Min helps the other kids win by tickling Barney. Later, in "Falling In Autumn," Shawn participates in a relay race with a peanut stuck to his spoon with peanut butter. Proponents states that it's safe to assume that these "cheating" ways were just thrown in as jokes, while opponents state that children of the target demographic pick up from mimicking and may copy the action because they do not understand that it's supposed to be a joke.
* On ''[[Barney and Friends]]'', there are some instances which may give the false impression that cheating is okay. In "A Splash Party, Please," when Barney and the kids are having a tug o' war, Min helps the other kids win by tickling Barney. Later, in "Falling In Autumn," Shawn participates in a relay race with a peanut stuck to his spoon with peanut butter. Proponents states that it's safe to assume that these "cheating" ways were just thrown in as jokes, while opponents state that children of the target demographic pick up from mimicking and may copy the action because they do not understand that it's supposed to be a joke.
* ''[[24]]'' has been criticized by some circles who interpret it as justifying torture as a tool of war by the U.S. Government, due to [[Torture Always Works|over-representing its effectiveness]] and repeated use of the "ticking-clock scenario" of an imminent terrorist attack that can't be prevented without [[Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique|Jack Bauer doing the interrogation]]. [[Flame War|There's quite a bit of debate on that]]. It also seems to suggest that, even for the good guys, ''[[Bad Boss|tasering your own employees]]'' to ensure their loyalty is good policy, and that you should expect them to go back to their cubicles immediately afterward without so much as a complaint. The writers toned this down in later seasons in response to unrealistic perceptions about how torture works in the real world but it still [[Torture Always Works|gets results almost every time its used]] and anybody who [[What the Hell, Hero?|calls Jack out]] on his human-rights abuses is made into a [[Straw Man Has a Point|strawman with a point]].
* ''[[24]]'' has been criticized by some circles who interpret it as justifying torture as a tool of war by the U.S. Government, due to [[Torture Always Works|over-representing its effectiveness]] and repeated use of the "ticking-clock scenario" of an imminent terrorist attack that can't be prevented without [[Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique|Jack Bauer doing the interrogation]]. [[Flame War|There's quite a bit of debate on that]]. It also seems to suggest that, even for the good guys, ''[[Bad Boss|tasering your own employees]]'' to ensure their loyalty is good policy, and that you should expect them to go back to their cubicles immediately afterward without so much as a complaint. The writers toned this down in later seasons in response to unrealistic perceptions about how torture works in the real world but it still [[Torture Always Works|gets results almost every time its used]] and anybody who [[What the Hell, Hero?|calls Jack out]] on his human-rights abuses is made into a [[Straw Man Has a Point|strawman with a point]].
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** The fact that a monster killed them makes the claims true, and thus, not "blind superstition." This post implies that, as long as you're intentionally or unintentionally unaware of the validity of a claim, it's A-OK to act as though it isn't true. If that's the case, most children shouldn't listen to their parents as they most likely won't understand why they're being told to do something at the time of instruction
** The fact that a monster killed them makes the claims true, and thus, not "blind superstition." This post implies that, as long as you're intentionally or unintentionally unaware of the validity of a claim, it's A-OK to act as though it isn't true. If that's the case, most children shouldn't listen to their parents as they most likely won't understand why they're being told to do something at the time of instruction
*** The fact that they unquestionably accepted it for at least a hundred years despite no indication or evidence of it does make it one. That the townspeople seem incapable of moving makes it even more. And that headphones are forbidden. But what puts icing on the cake is that the monster isn't coherent: music disturbs it but yelling your head off won't; it doesn't attack only the source of the music; it has slept for hundreds of years on nothing but birds; and that's just the overt problems. Also until the person was eaten the acceptance was in fact blind superstition. And, fyi, there's a vast difference between believing in Santa Clause when a kid and still believing in Santa Clause when you grow up.
*** The fact that they unquestionably accepted it for at least a hundred years despite no indication or evidence of it does make it one. That the townspeople seem incapable of moving makes it even more. And that headphones are forbidden. But what puts icing on the cake is that the monster isn't coherent: music disturbs it but yelling your head off won't; it doesn't attack only the source of the music; it has slept for hundreds of years on nothing but birds; and that's just the overt problems. Also until the person was eaten the acceptance was in fact blind superstition. And, fyi, there's a vast difference between believing in Santa Clause when a kid and still believing in Santa Clause when you grow up.
*** Alternately, if we're to accept the "respect the beliefs of others" bit Henry Rollins says at the end, the episode's [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] simply becomes the following: "Even if a person's beliefs are patently ridiculous by any rational standards whatsoever, even if those beliefs prompt that person to murder her child to uphold them, you should respect those beliefs -- because they're beliefs, and sometimes those can be true whether the believer knows it or not." Yeah, ''[[Night Visions]]'' doesn't allow itself much wiggle room on the unfriendliness factor of its aesops.
*** Alternately, if we're to accept the "respect the beliefs of others" bit Henry Rollins says at the end, the episode's Family-Unfriendly Aesop simply becomes the following: "Even if a person's beliefs are patently ridiculous by any rational standards whatsoever, even if those beliefs prompt that person to murder her child to uphold them, you should respect those beliefs -- because they're beliefs, and sometimes those can be true whether the believer knows it or not." Yeah, ''[[Night Visions]]'' doesn't allow itself much wiggle room on the unfriendliness factor of its aesops.
* For a show that could get outright [[Anvilicious]] at times, ''[[Full House]]'' tended to fall into this trope frequently in plots involving Michelle getting away with just about ''anything'', especially in the later seasons.
* For a show that could get outright [[Anvilicious]] at times, ''[[Full House]]'' tended to fall into this trope frequently in plots involving Michelle getting away with just about ''anything'', especially in the later seasons.
** The Disney episode was particularly [[All the Tropes Wiki Drinking Game|egregious]]; after half an episode of being a horrible brat and getting everything she wants, Michelle deliberately runs off in Disney World after overhearing her sisters (rightfully) complain about how she always gets her way. Then, she's found and the older girls apologize for being mean to her! Never mind that she's old enough to know better, still runs off on a tantrum, and gets to ride in the parade (and is in no way punished) in the end regardless.
** The Disney episode was particularly [[All the Tropes Wiki Drinking Game|egregious]]; after half an episode of being a horrible brat and getting everything she wants, Michelle deliberately runs off in Disney World after overhearing her sisters (rightfully) complain about how she always gets her way. Then, she's found and the older girls apologize for being mean to her! Never mind that she's old enough to know better, still runs off on a tantrum, and gets to ride in the parade (and is in no way punished) in the end regardless.
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** This issue is further complicated by the fact that, occasionally, Dexter will destroy or misrepresent evidence so that the police ''can't'' catch a criminal, solely so that he can kill them personally. This is often the case if the killer in question has hurt someone in Dexter's family (Deb or Rita and the kids) or if they have offended his delicate sensibilities somehow (crimes that traumatize children). Since blood spatter is such a specialized skill, he usually has no trouble faking the results of the blood spatter evidence the department finds.
** This issue is further complicated by the fact that, occasionally, Dexter will destroy or misrepresent evidence so that the police ''can't'' catch a criminal, solely so that he can kill them personally. This is often the case if the killer in question has hurt someone in Dexter's family (Deb or Rita and the kids) or if they have offended his delicate sensibilities somehow (crimes that traumatize children). Since blood spatter is such a specialized skill, he usually has no trouble faking the results of the blood spatter evidence the department finds.
*** The obfuscation of evidence has been taken to new heights in season six, where Dexter is {{spoiler|trying to single-handedly catch the Doomsday Killer, even though his sister has recently become the youngest lieutenant ever and really needs to crack this (extremely high-profile) case or risk looking incompetent. He has ignored her pleas for his help at least four times, so far.}}
*** The obfuscation of evidence has been taken to new heights in season six, where Dexter is {{spoiler|trying to single-handedly catch the Doomsday Killer, even though his sister has recently become the youngest lieutenant ever and really needs to crack this (extremely high-profile) case or risk looking incompetent. He has ignored her pleas for his help at least four times, so far.}}
* There's an old story about ''[[Sesame Street]]'' back when Snuffleupagus was portrayed as just Big Bird's imaginary friend that nobody ever believed him about. Apparently, there was some sort of [[Real Life]] scandal with a group of kids at a pre-school who tried to come forward about being abused (possibly sexually, IIRC) but weren't believed at first. When the Sesame Street writer's heard about the ordeal these kids had gone through trying to get someone to listen, they took a look at the potential [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] they had going with nobody ever believing Big Bird ("Don't bother trying to convince adults, they won't believe you") and decided to make Snuffy real and had the other characters meet him and apologize to Big Bird for doubting earlier.
* There's an old story about ''[[Sesame Street]]'' back when Snuffleupagus was portrayed as just Big Bird's imaginary friend that nobody ever believed him about. Apparently, there was some sort of [[Real Life]] scandal with a group of kids at a pre-school who tried to come forward about being abused (possibly sexually, IIRC) but weren't believed at first. When the Sesame Street writer's heard about the ordeal these kids had gone through trying to get someone to listen, they took a look at the potential Family-Unfriendly Aesop they had going with nobody ever believing Big Bird ("Don't bother trying to convince adults, they won't believe you") and decided to make Snuffy real and had the other characters meet him and apologize to Big Bird for doubting earlier.
** Technically, Snuffy was always real, but every time Big Bird tried to introduce him to the others he would get scared and run away. What the writers decided to do was to prove to the adults that Snuffy was real.
** Technically, Snuffy was always real, but every time Big Bird tried to introduce him to the others he would get scared and run away. What the writers decided to do was to prove to the adults that Snuffy was real.
* ''[[The George Lopez Show]]'' One episode has George and Angie discovering that Carmen is on birth control. Carmen reveals she's not having sex but has it in case she starts, which they're reasonably concerned about. They're concerned that she's not emotionally ready for it, and there's the risk of her getting pregnant. Nothing wrong with that. However, first, they take away the birth control, which is kind of a bad thing to do if you're concerned about your kid getting pregnant. Second, it gets kind of ridiculous when they get so desperate to keep her from having sex that they bribe her with a new car, which they tell her she can only keep if she doesn't have sex before 18. They seem to be blind to the fact that not all sex is planned and think there's no risk of Carmen having spontaneous sex, as teenagers often do, as well as what will happen if she does it without birth control.
* ''[[The George Lopez Show]]'' One episode has George and Angie discovering that Carmen is on birth control. Carmen reveals she's not having sex but has it in case she starts, which they're reasonably concerned about. They're concerned that she's not emotionally ready for it, and there's the risk of her getting pregnant. Nothing wrong with that. However, first, they take away the birth control, which is kind of a bad thing to do if you're concerned about your kid getting pregnant. Second, it gets kind of ridiculous when they get so desperate to keep her from having sex that they bribe her with a new car, which they tell her she can only keep if she doesn't have sex before 18. They seem to be blind to the fact that not all sex is planned and think there's no risk of Carmen having spontaneous sex, as teenagers often do, as well as what will happen if she does it without birth control.
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* Future!Ted from ''[[How I Met Your Mother]]'' sometimes gives these out, but usually for laughs, e.g. "I won't bother telling you not to fight, because that's pointless, [[Space Whale Aesop|but don't fight Uncle Marshall.]]" "And that's how we learned to forget what we had learned five seconds earlier." "Don't try to make your wife/husband jealous or he/she might beat the snot out of someone." etc etc.
* Future!Ted from ''[[How I Met Your Mother]]'' sometimes gives these out, but usually for laughs, e.g. "I won't bother telling you not to fight, because that's pointless, [[Space Whale Aesop|but don't fight Uncle Marshall.]]" "And that's how we learned to forget what we had learned five seconds earlier." "Don't try to make your wife/husband jealous or he/she might beat the snot out of someone." etc etc.
* In the ''[[Mortal Kombat]]'' series, Liu Kang is the fated champion of the Earth Realm in the next tournament, and so must survive for our world to have any chance. In one episode, he sets off into an obvious trap to get the antidote his poisoned friends need to survive, despite their telling him not to do it. He succeeds, cures them, and then Raiden shows up, in his full godly fury, to tell him quite emphatically that yes, his friends were right, and Liu Kang really is more important than them.
* In the ''[[Mortal Kombat]]'' series, Liu Kang is the fated champion of the Earth Realm in the next tournament, and so must survive for our world to have any chance. In one episode, he sets off into an obvious trap to get the antidote his poisoned friends need to survive, despite their telling him not to do it. He succeeds, cures them, and then Raiden shows up, in his full godly fury, to tell him quite emphatically that yes, his friends were right, and Liu Kang really is more important than them.
* From ''[[Merlin (TV series)|Merlin]]'': After Guinevere is [[Mistaken for Cheating]], Arthur banishes her from Camelot and becomes engaged to [[Replacement Love Interest|Princess Mithian]] on the rebound. The writers decided to [[Subverted Trope|subvert audience expectations]] by presenting Mithian not as an [[Alpha Bitch]] or a [[Spoiled Brat]], but as [[Purity Sue|lovely princess]] who impresses everyone with her beauty, immediately integrates herself into Camelot's court, effortlessly charms everyone she meets, [[Tomboy Princess|enjoys hunting and shooting]], becomes genuinely fond of Arthur, and even goes so far [[Nice to the Waiter|as to personally seek out Merlin's approval]]. The idea was presumably to present Arthur with a difficult [[Moral Dilemma]] between marrying Mithian ([[Relationship Sue|the perfect match]]) and seeking out Guinevere ([[Official Couple|his true love]]). The set-up worked a little ''too'' well considering many viewers ended up believing that Mithian would have made a much better wife and queen than Guinevere. <ref>Of course, it's hard to separate this from the [[Die for Our Ship]] mentality that surrounds Guinevere.</ref> This led to [[Moral Dissonance]], as Arthur eventually sends Mithian back to her own kingdom with a consolation prize of the disputed lands, a decision which could have easily led to war had [[Woman Scorned|Mithian not been gracious in defeat]]. The aesop was meant to be "follow your heart", but given the fact that Arthur was risking his kingdom by breaking the engagement ''and'' had essentially [[Jerkass|been stringing Mithian along for an extended period of time]] in an attempt to get over his feelings for Guinevere, it instead felt like "do whatever you have to do to be happy, regardless of any consequences and no matter how many people you have to hurt."
* From ''[[Merlin (TV series)|Merlin]]'': After Guinevere is [[Mistaken for Cheating]], Arthur banishes her from Camelot and becomes engaged to [[Replacement Love Interest|Princess Mithian]] on the rebound. The writers decided to [[Subverted Trope|subvert audience expectations]] by presenting Mithian not as an [[Alpha Bitch]] or a [[Spoiled Brat]], but as [[Purity Sue|lovely princess]] who impresses everyone with her beauty, immediately integrates herself into Camelot's court, effortlessly charms everyone she meets, [[Tomboy Princess|enjoys hunting and shooting]], becomes genuinely fond of Arthur, and even goes so far [[Nice to the Waiter|as to personally seek out Merlin's approval]]. The idea was presumably to present Arthur with a difficult [[Moral Dilemma]] between marrying Mithian ([[Relationship Sue|the perfect match]]) and seeking out Guinevere ([[Official Couple|his true love]]). The set-up worked a little ''too'' well considering many viewers ended up believing that Mithian would have made a much better wife and queen than Guinevere.<ref>Of course, it's hard to separate this from the [[Die for Our Ship]] mentality that surrounds Guinevere.</ref> This led to [[Moral Dissonance]], as Arthur eventually sends Mithian back to her own kingdom with a consolation prize of the disputed lands, a decision which could have easily led to war had [[Woman Scorned|Mithian not been gracious in defeat]]. The aesop was meant to be "follow your heart", but given the fact that Arthur was risking his kingdom by breaking the engagement ''and'' had essentially [[Jerkass|been stringing Mithian along for an extended period of time]] in an attempt to get over his feelings for Guinevere, it instead felt like "do whatever you have to do to be happy, regardless of any consequences and no matter how many people you have to hurt."
* ''[[Law and Order Special Victims Unit]]'' had a rather bad one in the episode that introduced [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute|Dani Beck]]. The plot centered around the disappearance of a young woman who, due to a degenerative genetic disease, [[Legal Jailbait|looked like a ten-year-old girl]]. It is mentioned that said disease will likely kill her before she turns thirty. It turns out she wasn't actually missing, she was trying to run off with her boyfriend, an older man who looked his age. Stabler arrests the boyfriend for... possibly being a pedophile? Unsurprisingly, the judge throws out the case immediately, but the way it's scripted makes it clear that we're meant to view this as a bad thing. So, [[Mystery Science Theater 3000|the fun message of today's episode is]] "people who don't have long to live shouldn't try to find happiness in that time, and people with potentially-destructive urges should ''not'' try to find harmless outlets for them." That's not even getting into the whole "[[Good People Have Good Sex|eccentric sexual practices, no matter how consensual, are evil]]" thing both this show and ''[[CSI]]'' have been repeatedly guilty of.
* ''[[Law and Order Special Victims Unit]]'' had a rather bad one in the episode that introduced [[Suspiciously Similar Substitute|Dani Beck]]. The plot centered around the disappearance of a young woman who, due to a degenerative genetic disease, [[Legal Jailbait|looked like a ten-year-old girl]]. It is mentioned that said disease will likely kill her before she turns thirty. It turns out she wasn't actually missing, she was trying to run off with her boyfriend, an older man who looked his age. Stabler arrests the boyfriend for... possibly being a pedophile? Unsurprisingly, the judge throws out the case immediately, but the way it's scripted makes it clear that we're meant to view this as a bad thing. So, [[Mystery Science Theater 3000|the fun message of today's episode is]] "people who don't have long to live shouldn't try to find happiness in that time, and people with potentially-destructive urges should ''not'' try to find harmless outlets for them." That's not even getting into the whole "[[Good People Have Good Sex|eccentric sexual practices, no matter how consensual, are evil]]" thing both this show and ''[[CSI]]'' have been repeatedly guilty of.


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* ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]''' opening theme song, "Simple and Clean," suggests some very dubious morals. For example, "Don't get me wrong I love you, But does that mean I have to meet your father?" suggests that the narrator's lover doesn't want to put out the effort to get acquainted with her family, and that, although the lover "wishes he could prove he loves her, he doesn't want to have to walk on water; when she's older she'll understand that it's enough when he says so." Apparently, "Hikari," the Japanese version of the song, makes much more sense, and is almost the complete opposite: "I'll introduce my family, You'll surely get along well."
* ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]''' opening theme song, "Simple and Clean," suggests some very dubious morals. For example, "Don't get me wrong I love you, But does that mean I have to meet your father?" suggests that the narrator's lover doesn't want to put out the effort to get acquainted with her family, and that, although the lover "wishes he could prove he loves her, he doesn't want to have to walk on water; when she's older she'll understand that it's enough when he says so." Apparently, "Hikari," the Japanese version of the song, makes much more sense, and is almost the complete opposite: "I'll introduce my family, You'll surely get along well."
** As far as relating the two - "Simple and Clean" and "Hikari" - they are not even translations of each other. At best, they tend to be vaguely similar.
** As far as relating the two - "Simple and Clean" and "Hikari" - they are not even translations of each other. At best, they tend to be vaguely similar.
** The "wish I could prove I love you" line may be him saying, when he says 'I love you' to her, it's because he actually loves her, and she shouldn't always force him to prove this (Or at least, to go to ridiculous lengths to do so). Plus, looking at the 'when you are older' line in context within the ''game'', then it could be seen as, rather than a romance between two adults, a romance between two teenagers who don't entirely understand romantic love. Hence, it's more of a 'I love you, I really do, believe me when I say so'. Given the last bridge, 'whatever lies beyond this morning is a little later on', and 'regardless of heartaches, the future doesn't scare me at all; nothing's like before', you could almost interpret "Simple and Clean" as being about a young couple having sex for the first time; he did so because genuinely loves her, she loves him too, and she's worried that he's only with her for the sex, but by the end of the song, she's clued in that he really does care about her, meaning we could also possibly interpret it as a [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]], rather than a [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]].
** The "wish I could prove I love you" line may be him saying, when he says 'I love you' to her, it's because he actually loves her, and she shouldn't always force him to prove this (Or at least, to go to ridiculous lengths to do so). Plus, looking at the 'when you are older' line in context within the ''game'', then it could be seen as, rather than a romance between two adults, a romance between two teenagers who don't entirely understand romantic love. Hence, it's more of a 'I love you, I really do, believe me when I say so'. Given the last bridge, 'whatever lies beyond this morning is a little later on', and 'regardless of heartaches, the future doesn't scare me at all; nothing's like before', you could almost interpret "Simple and Clean" as being about a young couple having sex for the first time; he did so because genuinely loves her, she loves him too, and she's worried that he's only with her for the sex, but by the end of the song, she's clued in that he really does care about her, meaning we could also possibly interpret it as a [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]], rather than a Family-Unfriendly Aesop.
* [[The Script]]'s popular ballad ''The Man Who Can't Be Moved'' is about a guy who was left by his ex, and is willing to stand on the corner of the street until she comes back. Though it's certainly a desperate romantic gesture (which a lot of people go mushy about) others really wish that he'd [[Just Eat Gilligan|get on with his life]]. There's absolutely no way she's coming back, he's probably going to make himself ill, the chances of the news picking him up are absurd and it's probably not his fault that she went away anyway.
* [[The Script]]'s popular ballad ''The Man Who Can't Be Moved'' is about a guy who was left by his ex, and is willing to stand on the corner of the street until she comes back. Though it's certainly a desperate romantic gesture (which a lot of people go mushy about) others really wish that he'd [[Just Eat Gilligan|get on with his life]]. There's absolutely no way she's coming back, he's probably going to make himself ill, the chances of the news picking him up are absurd and it's probably not his fault that she went away anyway.
* These come up a fair few times in Lily Allen's music, prominent among them her singles "Fuck You" ("Conservatives are [[Strawman Political|inherently tyrannical/hateful/war-mongering/generally terrible people]] who [[Double Standard|don't deserve to express their opinions]]") and "Not Fair" ("If your boyfriend is bad in bed, it more or less negates any positive traits he may have").
* These come up a fair few times in Lily Allen's music, prominent among them her singles "Fuck You" ("Conservatives are [[Strawman Political|inherently tyrannical/hateful/war-mongering/generally terrible people]] who [[Double Standard|don't deserve to express their opinions]]") and "Not Fair" ("If your boyfriend is bad in bed, it more or less negates any positive traits he may have").
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** YMMV on this one, but I don't think [[Dolly Parton]] would be playing the [[Love Martyr]] trope straight. It could just as easily be a [[Deconstruction]].
** YMMV on this one, but I don't think [[Dolly Parton]] would be playing the [[Love Martyr]] trope straight. It could just as easily be a [[Deconstruction]].
* "A Boy Named Sue" could be this trope's theme tune. The heartwarming reveal at the end is that the father gave his son an embarrassing girl's name, not as a stupid joke, but [[Knight Templar Parent|so that a lifetime of bullying would teach him to fight and make him strong]]. The aesop may be more along the lines of "sometimes people are just trying to help, and holding misdeeds against them in pursuit of revenge is wrong." After all, in the end, while the singer admits finally understanding his father's actions, he also points out that there's no way in hell he was going do the same to his ''own'' son.
* "A Boy Named Sue" could be this trope's theme tune. The heartwarming reveal at the end is that the father gave his son an embarrassing girl's name, not as a stupid joke, but [[Knight Templar Parent|so that a lifetime of bullying would teach him to fight and make him strong]]. The aesop may be more along the lines of "sometimes people are just trying to help, and holding misdeeds against them in pursuit of revenge is wrong." After all, in the end, while the singer admits finally understanding his father's actions, he also points out that there's no way in hell he was going do the same to his ''own'' son.
* The Crystals' "He Hit Me (It Felt Like A Kiss)" was controversial due to its seeming [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] that [[Domestic Abuse]] is okay when the woman deserves it for cheating, and in fact is a man's way of showing that he cares. It was based on a true story about the songwriters' young babysitter, and was apparently meant to document that victims of abuse sometimes feel that way, not to actually ''support'' that view, but still carries [[Unfortunate Implications]]. Even at the time of release (the early sixties) it was quickly pulled due to negative public reaction. Surprisingly it's gotten a lot of modern covers or lyrical shout outs, seemingly specifically ''because'' the lyrics are fairly ripe for [[The Cover Changes the Meaning]].
* The Crystals' "He Hit Me (It Felt Like A Kiss)" was controversial due to its seeming Family-Unfriendly Aesop that [[Domestic Abuse]] is okay when the woman deserves it for cheating, and in fact is a man's way of showing that he cares. It was based on a true story about the songwriters' young babysitter, and was apparently meant to document that victims of abuse sometimes feel that way, not to actually ''support'' that view, but still carries [[Unfortunate Implications]]. Even at the time of release (the early sixties) it was quickly pulled due to negative public reaction. Surprisingly it's gotten a lot of modern covers or lyrical shout outs, seemingly specifically ''because'' the lyrics are fairly ripe for [[The Cover Changes the Meaning]].
* Cerrone's 1977 song "Supernature" is a lovely danceable disco tune that insists that [[Science Is Bad|science is so inherently bad]] that using it to feed the hungry will make angry monsters rise up from the bowels of the earth to eat everyone. Really.
* Cerrone's 1977 song "Supernature" is a lovely danceable disco tune that insists that [[Science Is Bad|science is so inherently bad]] that using it to feed the hungry will make angry monsters rise up from the bowels of the earth to eat everyone. Really.
* O.C. Smith's song "The Son of Hickory Holler's Tramp" has a [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped|very, very clear message]] that being a prostitute doesn't make a woman evil or contemptible. Not family unfriendly, per se, but very unusual.
* O.C. Smith's song "The Son of Hickory Holler's Tramp" has a [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped|very, very clear message]] that being a prostitute doesn't make a woman evil or contemptible. Not family unfriendly, per se, but very unusual.
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** The video for "Stupid Girls" mangles the song's message by equating stupidity with [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses|makeup, fashion and anything pink]] while presenting playing football and being physically strong as being smart. Playing football all the time will not make you any smarter than putting makeup on. While the smart side of the table does have a book, a keyboard, microscope and dance shoes the message is undermined by having the little girl choose the football at the end. The point of the song is that girls should be smart, not physically strong.
** The video for "Stupid Girls" mangles the song's message by equating stupidity with [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses|makeup, fashion and anything pink]] while presenting playing football and being physically strong as being smart. Playing football all the time will not make you any smarter than putting makeup on. While the smart side of the table does have a book, a keyboard, microscope and dance shoes the message is undermined by having the little girl choose the football at the end. The point of the song is that girls should be smart, not physically strong.
* Indica's song "In Passing" is about a the dead singer telling her sister that her pain will go away and everything passes. Not quite unfriendly until the last few lines where she tells her sister that she also will pass. Extremely true and not something most children are equipped with or taught.
* Indica's song "In Passing" is about a the dead singer telling her sister that her pain will go away and everything passes. Not quite unfriendly until the last few lines where she tells her sister that she also will pass. Extremely true and not something most children are equipped with or taught.
* Jim Croce's "You Don't Mess Around With Jim." Big Jim Walker hustled Slim McCoy in a pool game, taking all Slim's money, so Slim followed him to Chicago, murdered him, and is highly respected for this. At no point does the song say Jim ''cheated'' -- he was just a more skilled pool player than he at first pretended to be. In other words, the moral is: being a sore loser and stealing back the money that was fairly won from you is cool if you get away with it.
* Jim Croce's "You Don't Mess Around With Jim." Big Jim Walker hustled Slim McCoy in a pool game, taking all Slim's money, so Slim followed him to Chicago, murdered him, and is highly respected for this. At no point does the song say Jim ''cheated''—he was just a more skilled pool player than he at first pretended to be. In other words, the moral is: being a sore loser and stealing back the money that was fairly won from you is cool if you get away with it.
** Alternatively, could be the perfectly solid Aesop of not being dishonest because it can come back to bite you in the ass, especially with psychotic murderers. But then that makes the title rather ironic.
** Alternatively, could be the perfectly solid Aesop of not being dishonest because it can come back to bite you in the ass, especially with psychotic murderers. But then that makes the title rather ironic.
* [[Taylor Swift]]'s song "The Way I Loved You". All in all, the [[Aesop]] here is "Nice guys that respect you are boring, the best relationships are the ones that keep you up all night crying and cursing the other person." That's just a terrible message in general, but it's even worse when you consider that her biggest fans are teen girls.
* [[Taylor Swift]]'s song "The Way I Loved You". All in all, the [[Aesop]] here is "Nice guys that respect you are boring, the best relationships are the ones that keep you up all night crying and cursing the other person." That's just a terrible message in general, but it's even worse when you consider that her biggest fans are teen girls.
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* Children's cartoons in the Eighties such as ''[[The Get Along Gang]]'' instilled a message that children should always go along with what the rest of their circle of friends thinks; if they disagree, [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong|there's obviously something wrong with them]]. Years later, the creators of the ''[[Dungeons and Dragons (animation)|Dungeons and Dragons]]'' cartoon would bitch about how they had to constantly portray one of their characters as a whiner due to pressure from [[Moral Guardians|parents' groups.]] Arguably, the ''real'' lesson to be gained from ''The Get-Along Gang'' is "never associate yourself with a compulsive gambler."
* Children's cartoons in the Eighties such as ''[[The Get Along Gang]]'' instilled a message that children should always go along with what the rest of their circle of friends thinks; if they disagree, [[The Complainer Is Always Wrong|there's obviously something wrong with them]]. Years later, the creators of the ''[[Dungeons and Dragons (animation)|Dungeons and Dragons]]'' cartoon would bitch about how they had to constantly portray one of their characters as a whiner due to pressure from [[Moral Guardians|parents' groups.]] Arguably, the ''real'' lesson to be gained from ''The Get-Along Gang'' is "never associate yourself with a compulsive gambler."
** The movie was one big anti-competition message, basically stating that it's not possible to engage in competition against your friends and that anyone you compete against must be your enemy.
** The movie was one big anti-competition message, basically stating that it's not possible to engage in competition against your friends and that anyone you compete against must be your enemy.
* One of the most ridiculous examples is the ''[[Captain Planet and the Planeteers]]'' episode "Wheeler's Ark": The Planeteers have developed a habit of picking up injured and endangered animals on their missions and bringing them back to Hope Island. Gaia, naturally, finally tells them this is impractical and orders them to take them all back. Fat chance -- they just pick up ''more'' at every location, all while Wheeler tries to tell them this is bad idea. Instead of the others learning what could have been a perfectly valid [[Green Aesop]] about how you shouldn't take exotic species out of their natural habitat, Wheeler just learns "If you don't want to take a wild wolf pup home with you, you're a heartless jerk."
* One of the most ridiculous examples is the ''[[Captain Planet and the Planeteers]]'' episode "Wheeler's Ark": The Planeteers have developed a habit of picking up injured and endangered animals on their missions and bringing them back to Hope Island. Gaia, naturally, finally tells them this is impractical and orders them to take them all back. Fat chance—they just pick up ''more'' at every location, all while Wheeler tries to tell them this is bad idea. Instead of the others learning what could have been a perfectly valid [[Green Aesop]] about how you shouldn't take exotic species out of their natural habitat, Wheeler just learns "If you don't want to take a wild wolf pup home with you, you're a heartless jerk."
** The episode "The Numbers Game" is perplexing already (Wheeler learns a lesson that he ''already'' knew, while his friends disagree with him and learn nothing), but even that aside, it's an episode about how ''it's wrong to have more than two kids.'' Aimed at ''little kids.'' Now, imagine watching that if ''you're'' the third child in your family...
** The episode "The Numbers Game" is perplexing already (Wheeler learns a lesson that he ''already'' knew, while his friends disagree with him and learn nothing), but even that aside, it's an episode about how ''it's wrong to have more than two kids.'' Aimed at ''little kids.'' Now, imagine watching that if ''you're'' the third child in your family...
* ''[[Wow! Wow! Wubbzy!]]'' has the occasional moral that is a bit off. For example, the Aesop of ''The Grass is Always Plaider'' is supposed to be something akin to "there's no place like home," but plays out more like "places other than your hometown may seem interesting, but are actually boring once you get there."
* ''[[Wow! Wow! Wubbzy!]]'' has the occasional moral that is a bit off. For example, the Aesop of ''The Grass is Always Plaider'' is supposed to be something akin to "there's no place like home," but plays out more like "places other than your hometown may seem interesting, but are actually boring once you get there."