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[[File:Hamlet-TennantStewart 8410.jpg|link=Hamlet|thumb|288px|[[Doctor Who|Up yours]], [[Star Trek: The Next Generation|Picard!]]]]

 

Two long-running shows or two star actors inspire dueling fandoms. Fans of one are expected to become [[Fan Hater]]s of the other, and vice versa. The contrasting merits of both will rarely be acknowledged. Anyone who likes both will be accused of [[Fandom Heresy]]. This can easily go on despite the creators' [[Word of God]] that they kind of like the other show or the actors making friendly appearances together ([[Tabloid Melodrama]] aside). When this gets into full gear expect copious amounts of [[Hypocritical Fandom]]. Of course there will be [[Hatedom|those that hate both.]]

 

 

 

Often involves [[Dueling Shows]], [[Dueling Movies]] or [[Dueling Games]]. Compare [[Internet Backdraft]], [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]]. See [[Broken Base]] for when fandoms have civil wars amongst ''themselves''. May involve [[Hypocritical Fandom]] if a show gets bashed by fans of a rival for having flaws that also exist in the rival show. Contrast [[Friendly Fandoms]].

 

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* ''[[Star Trek]]'' vs. ''[[Star Wars]]'' is the classic example. The film ''[[Fanboys]]'' even has a ''[[Gangs of New York]]'' style battle between the two.

** With ''[[Stargate Verse|Stargate]]'' watching from the corner, smirking.

** Within ''[[Star Trek]]'', it's between the fans who like the TV series and the ones who like the Abrams [[Alternate Universe|alternate continuity]], as well as to a lesser extent, ''[[Deep Space Nine]]'' or ''Enterprise'' fans against everyone else.

*** And to a greater extent, the classic [[Star Trek: The Original Series|Kirk]] versus [[Star Trek: The Next Generation|Picard]] war.

** [[Enemy Mine]]: [[George Takei]] [http://www.cinemablend.com/new/George-Takei-Rallies-Star-Trek-Star-Wars-Fans-Unite-Against-Twilight-28311.html wants Trek and Wars] (as well as ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Buffy]]'' and ''[[Blade]]'') fans to forge a "Star Peace", and unite against [[The Twilight Saga]].

** Which often invites a response from a third party, like "Why War… or Trek… when you can [[Star Control|Control]]?" [http://s255.photobucket.com/user/Darth_Fulmine/media/Miscellaneous/whywar.jpg.html]

** Fans of ''[[Batman: Arkham Asylum]]'' tend to be venomous towards ''The Dark Knight''.

** Can't forget those nostalgic [[Tim Burton]] fans who still prefer Michael Keaton, depict Christian Bale as incomprehensible and [[Heath Ledger]] as ugly vs. ''The Dark Knight'' fans who'd depict Keaton as wimpy looking and [[Jack Nicholson]] as unrealistic, and then you have those who hate anything after [[Batman (TV series)|the 60s series]].

** This was exacerbated when it turned out the ''Airbender'' sequel series ''[[The Legend of Korra]]'' would ''also'' use "The Last Airbender" as a supertitle though it's a case of [[Artifact Title]]. After complaints, it was dropped.

* Fans of the ''[[Resident Evil]]'' vs. fans of [[Resident Evil (film)|the films]].

* Oh, [[Broken Base]], thy name is ''[[Star Wars]]''.

** Original trilogy-only fans vs. prequel fans.

** Fans who preferred [[Marvel Star Wars]] vs. fans who liked any other ''Star Wars'' comic.

** Rebel fans vs. [[Rooting for the Empire|Imperial fans.]]

** And now there's ''[[Star Wars: The Clone Wars]]'' vs. ...basically the entire rest of the [[Expanded Universe]].<ref>This stems from the fact that ''The Clone Wars'' is a higher "level" of continuity than most other EU sources, thus, if there's a contradiction, the other source is rendered invalid. The problem results from the other sources being as many as ''two decades'' older than the show, with the sizable and loud fanbases you'd expect from something that old.</ref>

* Though it would fit more in a toy section, the ''[[Bionicle]]'' vs. ''[[Hero Factory]]'' debate is something that has rocked fan sites of either line, especially places like ''[[BZ Power]]''. Despite the war being only 1–2 years old, it already has its own 'political' spectrum. You either think Hero Factory is the best thing since sliced bread and hate Bionicle with the intensity of a thousand burning suns, prefer the line over Bionicle, don't care either way, dislike certain qualities about Hero Factory and prefer Bionicle, or hate Hero Factory with the passion of a burning suns and think Bionicle is the best thing since sliced bread. Of course, there is probably another [[Take a Third Option|part of the spectrum we overlooked]]. The debate has even caused people to question administrative bias in certain forums!

* The ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'' fandom, in certain places, has started to develop an irrational, one-sided hatred for ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]''. This has developed to the point that ''[[Equestria Daily]]'' has banned almost any ''Sonic'' related content from the site due to irrational [[Internet Backdraft]] towards them. Of course, it's entirely possible that, considering the ''Sonic'' [[Unpleasable Fanbase|fandom's]] [[Fan Dumb|reputation]], the bronies only hate ''Sonic'' out of fear of becoming like the ''Sonic'' fandom, although neither have much room to talk.

 

** It started when both fandoms claimed that one was a rip-off of the other, as they were out at around the same time. The fighting got to the point that a lot of people decided that anyone who was a fan of both [[No True Scotsman|wasn't really a fan on their side]].

** Then ''[[Chaotic]]'' came along and soon this conflict is worthy of an [[FPS]] and [[RTS]].

*** ''[[Digimon]]'' stepped down after ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' came in, seeing as some kids stopped watching it after ''[[Digimon Adventure 02|02]]'' ended. Also, for a while, there was ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' vs. ''[[Duel Masters]]''.

** To a certain extent, this can be simplified down to UC ''Gundam'' versus everything else. There are just some UC fans that won't accept anything else at all.

*** Another example is other [[Real Robot]] shows vs. the ''Gundam'' franchise. ''[[Macross]]'' vs. Gundam still fires up every now and again, but another one that's... interesting to say the least is stuff like ''[[Fang of the Sun Dougram]]'' and ''[[Armored Trooper VOTOMS]]'' and subsequent debates of whether they are better than ''Gundam ''or not. If you're a fan of ''Dougram'' or ''VOTOMS'', and you insinuate that ''Gundam'' is unrealistic and too close to [[Super Robot]] shows, [[Internet Backdraft|the gates of hell have been opened]]. On the flipside, if a ''Gundam'' fan tries to point out that, say, [[Armored Trooper VOTOMS|Chirico Cuvie]] has just as much as, if not more "plot haxs" than any given Gundam Pilot, expect a small vocal minority of ''VOTOMS'' faithfuls to [[Fandom Heresy|swear to GIRUGAMESH to kill you.]]

** ''[[Gundam]]'' vs ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' - in [[The Nineties]] NGE in manga format and ''[[Gundam Wing]]'' were the only two positions from [[Humongous Mecha]] genre on the market, leading some people to believe that NGE is deep and intelligent while Gundam, all of it, is stupid. While mostly discredited, this stereotype prevails to this day, much to annoyance of Gundam fans.

* For over the past decade, the most popular shonen series (at present writing) are ''[[One Piece]]'', ''[[Naruto]]'' and ''[[Bleach]]'', generally referred as the [[Fan Nickname|Big 3]]. Since they're all the same genre, they have a similar core story structure, so it's entirely possible to enjoy more than one at the same time. However, ''because'' of that, fans of ''all three'' are at a [[Melee a Trois]], but it's surprisingly evened out - out of 9, 3 like one and dislike two, 3 like two and dislike one, and 3 like all of them equally.

** Occasionally, ''[[Fullmetal Alchemist (anime)]]'' would have been added to the mix, with the debate centering on whether it's too different to compare to the other three, and if not, whether it's the best out of the four. Notably, that discussion is far less heated (especially once FMA ended), if only due to FMA fans having their ''own'' Fandom Rivalry ''within their own base'' (e.g. the first anime vs the manga and the second anime, as mentioned earlier).

* ''[[Suzumiya Haruhi]]'' vs. ''[[K-On!]]'', if [http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/22/haruhi-second-season-begins/ this thread] is any indication. To put it simple, the former group was blaming the latter for their lack of a second season of their show. But with [[Arc Fatigue|Endless Eight]] rearing its ugly face, guess which side had the final laugh on virtue of not raging hard at itself.

** Several ''Haruhi'' fans are blaming ''K-On!'' for the [[Off-Model]] way Haruhi has been drawn in (her upper teeth showing and her head being rounded at the edges).

*** This is because some people don't understand the concept of an Art Director.

* ''[[Macross]]'' versus ''[[Robotech]]'': Many Macross fans look at Robotech as a [[Macekre|bastardized Americanization]]. Some Robotech fans consider the addition of ''[[Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross]]'' and ''[[Genesis Climber Mospeada]]'' to the original ''[[Super Dimension Fortress Macross]]'' storyline to improve all three series, or at least prefer them to the official Macross sequels. The Robotech fandom was also split between people who enjoyed the licensed RPG, comic book adaptations, or novelizations, and the "purists" who treated all the spin-off material as bastardizations.

* ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' vs. ''[[RahXephon]]'', fans of the former accuse the latter of copying many elements from their series (as well as End of Evangelion to a lesser extent) while fans of the latter counter by saying theirs is superior critically.

** It did not help either side that the plots for both anime franchises were very tightly merged together in ''[[Super Robot Wars MX]]''.

* ''[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'' vs. ''[[Infinite Stratos]]'' for domination of the winter 2011 anime season. ''IS'' fans insist that ''Madoka'' is [[Deconstruction|pretentious]] while ''Madoka'' fans consider ''IS'' to be another stupid generic [[Unwanted Harem|harem]] show.

** Speaking of ''Madoka'', looks like ''[[Lyrical Nanoha|Nanoha]]'' fans are gearing up for a [http://nanofate.us/content/sample-2c9f8cf70b915f9e show down] about being dethroned as the most popular non-standard magical girl series.

* Fans of ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'' vs. fans of ''[[Inazuma Eleven]]''. ''Inazuma Eleven'' fans label ''Pokémon'' as having no progress despite its [[Long Runner]] status, ''Pokémon'' fans label ''Inazuma Eleven'' a shallow and contrived series that is hated for stealing ratings in Japan.

** [[It Got Worse]] when fans outside Japan were factored. ''Inazuma Eleven'' is much more popular in Britain due to the footing soccer has there, while ''Pokémon'' is one of the [[Gateway Series]] to American anime fans, and America as a whole could care less about soccer.

 

== [[Comic Books]] ==

* Not as pronounced as it once was but [[Wolverine]] fans and [[Spider-Man]] fans used to have a hold grudges against one another.

* ''[[Crisis on Infinite Earths]]'' divided the [[DC Comics]] fandom between fans and haters of the [[Pre Crisis|pre-crisis]] [[The Multiverse|multiverse]], mostly depending on whether you began reading comics [[Bronze Age|before]] or [[Dark Age|after]] the [[Crisis Crossover|crossover]]. Discussions between this two groups could become pretty nasty at times.

* The ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' fanbase has two comics pitted against each other. The American [[Sonic the Hedgehog (comics)|Archie comics]] and the British [[Sonic the Comic|Fleetway one]].

* Avenger fans versus Brian Michael Bendis fans destroyed the Avengers title fandom, as Bendis' fanboys were quite open with their contempt for the Avengers property (taking their cues from Bendis, who openly reviled the book because it wasn't like Justice League America enough to his liking) and basically willing to start flamewars with anyone who doesn't think every little thing Bendis wrote to be gold.

** Avenger fans got the last laugh though: Bendis' Avengers run was so god-awful that it basically turned large numbers of Marvel fans against Bendis, creating Marvel fans versus Bendis and his fans, who don't care at all about the Marvel Universe given Bendis' love of ruining/killing off/wrecking books just because he can.

 

 

** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxAEo3CWeq8 Speaking of trilogies...]

*** And now there's a fourth one.

** Because they were both superhero movies released in 2008 that became extremely successful, a small rivalry developed between fans of ''[[Iron Man (film)|Iron Man]]'' and ''[[The Dark Knight]]''. While the rivalry seemed to be pretty friendly (most fans were too happy to get '''two''' good superhero movies in one year and saw both), a small faction seemed to need to bolster their favorite movie by bashing the other. ''TDK'' fans accused ''IM'' of being a standard issue Marvel popcorn flick with an over-hyped [[Robert Downey, Jr.]]. ''IM'' fans hit back by saying that ''TDK'' was a [[Darker and Edgier|brooding, pretentious]] movie that forgot it was supposed to be fun, and featured an over-hyped ([[Dead Artists Are Better|and dead]]) [[Heath Ledger]].

** The [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] vs. [[DC Comics|DC]] rivalry probably didn't help.

** ''[[Avatar]]'' and Dark Knight fans have fought over whether or not one film deserved more Oscars than the other (mentioned more in depth below).

** ''[[The Amazing Spider-Man|The Amazing Spider Man]]'' is also set to come out in the same season, resulting in Dark Knight fans trolling their boards as well.

** At least amongst the [[IMDb]] boards, Dark Knight fans have also [[troll]]ed the boards for ''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'' and ''[[The Godfather]]'' films due to those films being rated very high on that website while The Dark Knight is rated lower. Fans of those movies seem more befuddled than anything and quickly contacted the admins to avoid a [[Flame War]].

* ''[[Ghostbusters]]'' has a rivalry which crosses multiple media: Fans of Columbia's franchise call themselves "Ghostheads," and fans of Filmation's franchise (the one with the gorilla) call themselves "Go-ers." These days, it's less of a rivalry and more of an uneasy alliance.

* One of the nastiest: ''[[The Illusionist (film)|The Illusionist]]'' vs. ''[[The Prestige]]''. Be careful who you discuss either of these movies with. The argument might lead to IQ dissing. Popular ways to start the cuss-out, say: Prestige sells itself on ''a smart gimmick'', while ''Illusionist'' just sells itself... on the street-corner... for five dollars. lol. Seriously though, it's impossible to find someone who's a fan of both, even though both movies deal with magicians and revenge plots... They just appeal to different folks. One is suspenseful while the other isn't. One is about complex characters in a tight plot, the other is based on caricatures in a live action cartoon in pot-hole-ville. Good acting vs. bad acting. Nolan versus some ----er. Epic vs. crapfest. Science and creativity vs. a cliche cold front. And I'm really trying to be unbiased here. Loving one means hating the other. In fact, your love for one is pretty much ''defined'' by how much you hate the other. People pick sides based on which one they saw first, which one they saw in the cinema, Bale/Norton affection, Jackman/Rufus affection, belief that if it has Caine/Giamatti in it, it must be epic... But you ''have'' to pick a side.

* ''[[A Nightmare on Elm Street]]'', ''[[Friday the 13th]]'', ''[[Evil Dead]]'', ''[[Hellraiser]]'', ''[[Halloween]]'', ''[[The Texas Chainsaw Massacre]]'', ''[[Child's Play]]'', ''[[Phantasm]]'', ''[[Candyman]]'' and ''[[Leprechaun]]''. In addition to being ten of the biggest horror franchises to come out of the '80s and the '90s, its creators were fans of each other's work and referenced each other at least once in their respective films. All ten had enough fans to warrant not only a cinematic crossover between Freddy and Jason, but also a comic book crossover between ''[[A Nightmare on Elm Street]]'', ''[[Friday the 13th]]'', ''[[Evil Dead]]'' and multiple references in ''[[Bride of Chucky]]''.

 

== [[Literature]] ==

** There was some animosity between ''[[Harry Potter]]'' and ''[[Discworld]]'' fans due to a misconception that ''[[Discworld]]'' character Ponder Stibbons copied ''Harry Potter'', or the other way around. In reality, [[Terry Pratchett]] has said that [[J. K. Rowling]] is a friend of his. (And besides, Ponder appeared ''years'' before.)

*** Not to mention that the only thing Ponder and Harry have in common is, that they are both students of wizardry.

*** When the first ''Potter'' film came out, ''[[FoxTrot]]'' did a week's worth of strips with Jason, already established as a ''Rings'' fan, going up against Eileen Jacobsen, who turned out to be a ''Potter'' fan. (The last strip revealed that Jason secretly dressed up as Harry and went to the movie anyway.)

** Then there's ''Potter'' vs. ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]''. Never has such a fandom rivalry been so whipped up by the ''media itself''. ''[[Twilight (novel)|Twilight]]'', like ''Potter'', is something of a literary phenomenon, and its [[Film of the Book|movie]] stars a [[Harry Potter]] [[Robert Pattinson|alumnus]], so the two were constantly compared. They really have nothing in common though, apart from both being children's/young adult's fantasy series.

 

== [[Live Action TV]] ==

** ''[[Babylon 5]]'' vs. any ''[[Star Trek]]'' was commonplace but alleviated somewhat when Majel Barrett appeared in the former.

* Prior to the ''[[Star Trek]]'' films vs. ''[[Star Wars]]'' was ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series]]'' vs. ''[[Lost in Space]]''.

** Prior to that, Hard sci-fi vs. Pulp sci-fi.

* ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]'' vs. ''[[Lost]]''. The former premiered during the latter's third season, widely considered to be [[Seasonal Rot|the weakest]], and pleased many fans by answering the mysteries more quickly. This also angered people who were still sticking with ''Lost'', however, the end of season three and all of season four were considered to have been where the show [[Growing the Beard|got its ass together]], making the rivalry a battle for philosophies. ''Heroes'' fans thinks ''Lost'' is cryptic and for posers; ''Lost'' fans think ''Heroes'' fans are simpletons with short attention spans.

** ''[[24]]'' and ''[[Lost]]'' has had an ongoing rivalry that causes many flame wars over at [[GameFAQs]]' Broadcast Television board despite the fact that the shows have ''nothing'' to do with each other.

* [[Guns N' Roses]] vs. [[Stone Temple Pilots]] tends to breed epic level shitstorms [[Fan Dumb|among a certain portion]] of the Velvet Revolver fanbase. The GnR camp tends to be filled with Purists, Willfully Blind, and Strawstuffers who view the original Guns 'n' Roses as gods and see Scott as an [[Large Ham|overly-hammy]], [[Ambiguously Gay]] [[Replacement Scrappy]] for Axl and blame Scott for Velvet Revolver not being the same as the old GnR (despite the fact that Slash ''wanted'' someone who was different). STP fans are usually [[Fan Dumb|Toxic Geniuses, Highbrow Elitists, or Misplaced Champions]] that instantly retaliate with similar insults at Axl and will attack Guns n Roses as overblown hair metal crap that remains popular solely due to the 12 year-olds that only know of Slash from ''[[Guitar Hero]]'', and will go on about how there's no appreciation for Scott because STP is too sophisticated for GnR fanboys.

** It's to be expected when a grunge singer joins a band with members of a Hard Rock group.

* [[X Japan]] has a few of these. The longest-running had been hide vs. Toshi. [[Shipping|Various]] [[Fan Dumb|factors]] [[Gannon Banned|somehow]] [[Yaoi Fangirl|joined]] [[Path of Inspiration|in]] [[Broken Base|a]] [[Internet Backdraft|confluence]]. [[Shipping|Shippers]] had long seen hide and Toshi as rivals, some [[Word of Dante|unofficial information]] hinted that they had some sort of rivalry or hate toward each other, and once the band broke up it entirely exploded. Some hide fans blame Toshi for breaking up [[X Japan]] in 1997 due to his joining a [[Cult|new religious movement]], and some Toshi fans do as well - but the hide fans who believe so believe the breakup and loss of success contributed, in some way, to hide's [[Off the Wagon|downward spiral]] into [[The Alcoholic|alcoholism]] and eventual death. Cue much hatred for Toshi among hardcore hide fans. Considering that some [[Fan Hater|hardcore Toshi fans]] and/or Yoshiki/Toshi shippers blamed hide for the band's breakup, saw hide as an intruder on Toshi and Yoshiki, and believe him to be a [[Complete Monster]] who intentionally suicided to make Yoshiki hurt... you can just imagine what happens when these groups meet up. There's a reason it's called the Legendary [[Flame War]], and a reason why mentioning certain claims (e.g. calling Toshi a brainwashed cult member until 2010 when he admitted he had been, saying hide's death was intentional suicide aimed at punishing Yoshiki) will lead to sane fans piling on to quench an [[Internet Backdraft]]. This [[Flame War]] got possibly the best dousing any [[Flame War]] could, though, once Toshi ''did'' leave [[Scam Religion|HomeOfHeart]] and confessed to having been brainwashed for over 10 years - and rekindled his friendship/relationship with Yoshiki. Occasionally one side will still try to start drama from it related to their still-ongoing hatred of hide and the rumors about him, but it's pretty much out now for very good reason.

** Taiji vs. Heath for best bassist. This can get a Youtube comment section on FIRE. That said, it has somewhat lessened as Taiji [[Author Existence Failure|can't replace Heath anymore.]]

** Another X one that started recently{{when}} sprouted from the [[Broken Base]] that happened as a result of 2008 Cancelwank. A small contingent of enraged X fans suddenly hated Yoshiki and began to bash him, instead announcing their support for ex-bassist Taiji [[Gannon Banned|and saying the band ended in 1992]], [[Misaimed Fandom|who they held up as some kind of hero of rock and roll who "knew how bad Yoshiki was all along."]]. Unfortunately, these fans forgot that Taiji and Yoshiki have somewhat reconciled. This one, unlike the above Fandom Rivalry, has gotten a fresh shot of gasoline due to [[Never Speak Ill of the Dead]] related to Taiji.

** Old fans vs. new fans, homophobes who somehow got into the band anyway vs. [[Yaoi Fangirl]]s.... this fandom has enough rivalries to keep the flames roasting for years.

** YAMA-B VS. Ono can light a flamewar up pretty fast. Original vocalist from the beginning vs. [[Replacement Scrappy]].

* Gangsta Rap Fans/Alternative Rap Fans/Hardcore Hip-Hop Fans/Political Rap Fan vs. Pure Mainstream Rap fans. Is also an example of a [[Broken Base]]. There's also other deeper socio-cultural issues involved.

** [[Nas]] fans vs. [[Jay Z]] fans is arguably a microcosm of this rivalry.

** Likewise with KRS-1 fans vs. Nelly fans.

** They became [[Friendly Fandoms]] years later, when [[Dead Artists Are Better]] took effect.

* [[Ludacris]] or [[T.I.]]

** And to a lesser extent, Alice in Chains fans vs. [[Soundgarden]] fans.

** Hell, Alice in Chains fans vs. fans of any other [[Grunge]] band.

* Metalheads vs. rappers. Although it's slightly one sided, as most rap fans either don't know much about metal or aren't too concerned with the rivalry. But type "metal vs rap" on Youtube, and you'll get tons of videos of mostly one sided biased debates of why metal is better than rap, usually by insecure and/or ignorant metal fans who haven't heard any hip-hop outside of Top 40. The artists themselves don't seem to bicker as much as their fandoms, however, considering the cross-pollination between the two genres and numerous collaborations.

* Bizarrely and hilariously, German [[Tokio Hotel]] fans versus French Tokio Hotel fans. Severe internet-based catfighting is involved.

* The "Mods vs Rockers" youth gang rivalry was based both on lifestyle and musical choice. The macho rockers enjoyed rock and roll from artists such as [[Elvis Presley]], while the sophisticated Mods followed more blues-based rock such as The Who. Clashes between gangs of mods and rockers became quite notorious during their heyday, especially at Brighton Beach. This was perhaps most memorably portrayed in The Who's rock opera and film ''[[Quadrophenia]]''.

** None other than [[The Beatles (band)|The Beatles]] spoofed the rivalry in their film ''[[A Hard Day's Night]]'', when a reporter asks Ringo if he is a mod or a rocker. Ringo answers, "I'm a mocker."

* Punk vs. Metal, or Punk vs. Prog Rock, that was more vitriolic

* [[Bone Thugs-n-Harmony]] fans vs. fans of every other Midwestern rapper with a similar style as bone. Particularly Twista, Do or Die, and Crucial Conflict. Most of this started because bone was dissed by the aforementioned groups. The artists themselves has killed the rivalry, but some of the fans are still kinda sore about it. Interestingly enough the aforementioned groups more or less shared the same fan base.

* [[Mastodon]] fans vs. [[Dream Theater]] fans.

** Occasionally [[Opeth]] fans have been known to get into the fray as well.

* [[The Notorious B.I.G.]] fans vs. [[Jay Z]] fans. which got over shadowed by the [[Tupac Shakur|2pac]] [[The Notorious B.I.G.|Biggie]] situation.

* [[Buckethead]] vs. [[Guns N' Roses|Slash]], due to Buckethead taking Slash's position in [[Guns N' Roses]]. The general assumption made is that while Buckethead has more technical skill, his music has 'no emotion'. Of course, those people [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfYYRRJxPk0 haven't ever really listened to Buckethead].

* In classical music, there's early music fans ("after Bach, it all sucks") vs. those who prefer the classical/romantic "canon" ("after Brahms/Strauss/Wagner, it all sucks") vs. 20th/21st century music fans ("but there's a lot of really good classical music being written today! and composers have more freedom now!") And within contemporary classical music, there's the debate between fans of the more atonal genres (such as serialism), the more tonal genres (minimalism and neo-Romanticism), and those who fall between the two extremes.

* K-pop vs. J-pop in general, but Johhny's Entertainment vs. SM Entertainment in particular. Basically, a extended, wanky debate over which boyband has more ''talent''.

* The Four Tops fans vs. The Temptations fans, is probably the [[Ur Example]] of boyband fan rivalry.

* Death Row Records fans vs. Ruthless Records fans

* [[The Who]] vs. [[Led Zeppelin]]. Generally boils down to which individual members were the "Greatest of All Time" on their respective instruments. Other issues include which band was more influential and who was truly the best live.

** Probably stems from Keith Moon and John Entwistle declining Jimmy Page in recreating The Yardbirds as a supergroup before Led Zeppelin was even around.

** Or both fandoms versus the [[Lady Gaga|Little Monsters.]]

* The fandoms of [[The Protomen]] and [[The Megas]] seem to have a somewhat heated rivalry, despite the two bands getting along fairly well. Most likely due to the fact they share the same [[Mega Man (video game)|base inspiration]], even if they go in [[Darker and Edgier|two]] [[Rock Opera|wildly]] [[Covered Up|different]] [[Villain Song|directions.]]

** At this point it seems like every musical fandom versus [[Lady Gaga]]'s.

* [[Lady Gaga]] Vs Everyone

** Pretty self explanatory, read her page for more.

** Which is strange because both Britney and Gaga love each other and have worked together three times in the past. Both are inspired by each other and Gaga is Gaga due to Britney in some part.

** With complete disregard of how Britney has never said anything bad about anyone outside of the year 2003 and 2004, about [[Christina Aguilera]] after years of hassling and mud slinging from her and her fans...and even then it was polite.

* [[Melee a Trois|Rock vs. rap vs. country]] In the 90s, no teenager was into country.

* Any female popstars' fanbase will inevitably be at odds with another's.

** Generally, fans of old-school emo don't even consider the newer music being called "emo" to really be emo at all because it's perceived to be so far removed from it sonically. Other titles, like [[Pop Punk]] and [[Post-hardcore]], are more often used. The same debate rages on about the "screamo" subgenre. On the one hand, you have bands like Circle Takes the Square, Saetia, and Hot Cross. On the other, Underoath and (at least) early Hawthorne Heights.

* Fans of R&B/Pop stars vs fans of more "pure" and "mature" R&B/Soul ''vocalists'' artists. This goes as far back as the Motown vs. STAX/Volt rivalry of [[The Seventies]]. The modern version of that rivalry basically boils down to fans of artists like [[Rihanna]], Kristina Debarge, Mya, Nicole Scherzinger, Christina Milian, Ashanti, Chris Brown, Kerri Hilson, etc vs. fans of artists like Anthony Hamilton, Leela James, Amel Larrieux, Kem, Conya Doss, Vivian Green, Jill Scott, Angie Stone, Goapale etc. The fans of the former group of artists thinks the latter artists' style is outdated and boring, and their fans are a bunch of out of touch elitist. The later usually calls the former group of artists "''Industry Whores''" whom along with the record companies are [[Music Is Politics|impeding the success of the latter]], as far as fans of the former group goes the latter don't think much of them at all, Usually because they think they're all a bunch of prepubescent dumb girls. If some of the former group of fans happens to be actually ''older'' (basically 20 to 30 somethings), then the latter fans opinion of them is even ''lower''.

** Artists like [[Alicia Keys]], and [[Mary J. Blige|Mary J Blige]] can be kinda dicey as to what group they fall into. Most believe their work falls somewhere in between. Especially Alicia, her last two albums seems to be intentionally straddling the fence. Going from R&B/Soul to Power pop ballads, which eventually led [[Broken Base|to her base breaking]].

** In some cases the fans of the "mature artists" think that the pop stars are only where they are because of [[But Not Too Black]], because many of the pop stars (e.g. Beyonce, Rihanna) are lighter skinned. For example, [[India Arie]] fans feel that [[Alicia Keys]] won the Grammy over Arie in 2002 because of her skin color.

* [[Garbage]] vs. [[Curve]], though mainly it exists solely on the Curve side. Fans of Curve absolutely hate Garbage, thinking of them as "manufactured" and a revenge plot cooked up by Butch Vig after the group rejected an offer by Vig (who was a fan of the group BTW) to work with them on an album.

* If [[YouTube]] comments are believed, [[Justin Bieber]] fans versus fans of every other music genre.

* Another legendary fandom rivalry: [[Mac]] vs. [[Windows]]. Embodied and parodied in Apple's "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" commercials. This also leads to a false conception of computer history of being mainly composed of Apple and Microsoft, and idolizing their CEOS.

** Those commercials are entirely biased towards Macs, as expected. How much Apple plays up the Mac's good qualities and exaggerates a PC's bad qualities is open to debate, though there are one or two more heavy-handed commercials in favor of the Mac.

**** Even the ads themselves have recognised this and moved into [[Friendly Rivalry]] status.

** Earlier than that was the [[Amiga]] vs. [[Atari ST]] users.

** It's not just bad enough that the Linux fanbase is in rival with the Mac and Windows ones, but is actually divided on several grounds itself. (Debian vs Red Hat, KDE vs Gnome (and [[KDE 4]] vs [[KDE 3]]/Trinity), vi vs emacs vs nano, Copyleft licenses such as GPL vs permissive licenses,<ref>e.g. Apache, PHP, MIT and BSD licenses</ref> etc..)

** Adding to this are the "Browser Wars" with the heavyweight fight being between Microsoft's Internet Explorer and Mozilla's Firefox. A smaller war between Firefox and underdog Google Chrome is also ongoing. Opera and Safari have smaller fandoms who are against everyone at once.

* It isn't just software. There's Intel vs. AMD, and AMD vs. Nvidia for the big ones, and more than likely much smaller feuds between vendors. Hard drive vendors used to be a big one, with the main camps being Seagate, WD and Samsung fans, with [[Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics]] employed throughout, but this one has since died down a lot, as have many over [[PS Us]]. Memory and motherboard arguments are still ongoing.

* Theists vs. atheists. Someone was going to say it.

** And (to a certain extent) [[Take a Third Option|Agnostics]]

* W.E.B. DuBois followers vs Booker T. Washington supporters. Both were early civil rights leaders, but could hardly be more different in their ideas. Washington urged black Americans to learn a trade and become part of the working class, where their buying power would naturally bring them into acceptance within white society. DuBois urged black Americans to study literature and the arts, embrace their cultural roots, and demand equal rights through fierce political action. Washington and his followers argued that DuBois's strategy was too unrealistic and abstract, while DuBois and his followers accused Washington of perpetuating the blacks' low social status.

* Among wineries there's Napa Valley vs. France.

* X political party and Y political party, anywhere. It's particularly pronounced in America with the two party system.

** America actually has more than one party but you probably wouldn't know that since only the Democrats and Republics any attention. This leads to the always painful liberal vs conservatives.

* [[Rail Enthusiast|Railfans]] tend to strongly dislike Busfans and bus transportation in general due to the mostly correct perception that buses killed the majority of streetcar, commuter and long distance rail passenger services across North America. Most railfans will choose to walk long distances to avoid having to ride a bus.

* Knitting and crochet. Seriously.

* Cars. In Australia, it's mainly Ford vs Holden, but other countries have their versions as well.

* Firearms:

* There's a significant amount of vitriol between [[Something Awful]] and [[4chan]], despite or perhaps because of the latter being a [[Spin-Off]] of the former. [[Internet Backdraft|Never, ever bring up]] [[Tempting Fate|how they share a significant percentage of regular users]], ''[[Too Dumb to Live|if you value your life]]''.

** And between 4chan and [[Encyclopaedia Dramatica]].

* [[Apple|iOS]] vs. [[Google|Android]]

* Boeing vs. Airbus. This one's ''real'' [[Serious Business]]—after all, the former's biggest fanboy is a certain scholarly gent who goes by the name of Uncle Sam, while the latter has a major fangirl in Europa (no, not the moon of Jupiter)...

* Social network websites do this quite a bit: [[Facebook]] vs. [[Twitter]], Facebook vs. [[Tumblr]], and Facebook vs. [[Google+]], once the latter popped up.

* Reason vs FL Studio vs Ableton Live vs whatever other DAW.

 

== [[Professional Wrestling]] ==

* Today, it's WWE vs. [[TNA]] vs. [[ROH|Ring of Honor]], though despite the addition of wrestlers made famous by either WWE or WCW, TNA's ratings remain stagnant.

* From within the WWE itself are Raw vs. Smackdown ([[Technician Versus Performer|the flagship sports entertainment show vs. the wrestling show]], made worse when the Draft often relocates a lot Smackdown talent to Raw), brand extension fans vs. unified company fans, [[John Cena|Cena]] fans vs Cena haters, Superstars (especially Divas) with indy wrestling backgrounds vs. WWE/FCW homegrowns, [[Jim Ross]] vs. [[Michael Cole]], and combinations of the WWE's different era's (Rock and Wrestling vs, The Monday Night Wars/Attitude Era vs. Post-Attitude Era vs. PG...).

* [[Ric Flair]] vs. [[Hulk Hogan]]

*** Or you could always {{[[[Take a Third Option]] support Texas Tech and the Red Raiders}}, although Tech vs. U. Of Texas is the main rivalry for Red Raider fans.

** The classic: [[wikipedia:Michigan-Ohio State rivalry|The University of Michigan and The Ohio State University]], quite possibly the oldest rivalry among BCS teams (the Ivy League's rivalries are older, but they're not in contention anymore). Not half as interesting as it used to be, since U-M has been emphasizing academics so heavily and its sports teams have lately{{when}} started to suck, but wearing red and gray in Ann Arbor will get you catcalls in the daytime and could get you into a scrape during the drunken nights. On the other hand, wearing maize and blue in Columbus is a capital offense.

*** O-H!

*** Michigan/Michigan State isn't as big a rivalry as Michigan/Ohio State, but you'd never know that as a kid growing up in the Detroit area. It's been known to split families in two on the day of the game. It's even gotten to the point where guards are posted around Sparty (Michigan State's mascot) whenever Michigan comes to play, since Michigan fans will sometimes paint a little golden M (the Michigan logo) on his bottom, and Ann Arbor (where Michigan is located) will have blue and gold street signs (everywhere else in the area has green and white street signs, but green and white are Michigan State's official colors while blue and gold or Michigan's colors).

* Most Baltimore Ravens fans had no doubt who they were rooting for in Super Bowl XLIV - Colts hate has run deep ever since the former ''Baltimore'' Colts infamously packed up at midnight to rush them over to their new home in Indianapolis. There's also a less entrenched Ravens/Titans rivalry.

** Um... what about Ravens/Steelers? THAT can get nasty quickly. This is due to the fact that this feud is the [[Spiritual Successor]] to the original Cleveland Browns/Steelers rivalry (Art Modell was the founder of both the Browns and Ravens, and he moved his team and the staff to Baltimore in 1996. However, the city of Cleveland retained the Browns' history, records, championships, team colors, etc.).

** Also Houston vs. Dallas in '''''anything'''''.

** The whole NFC East (Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles) ''despises'' each other, to the point where it's hard to pick the biggest rivalry, but it's probably Dallas and Washington. The intra-divisional rivalry is so bitter that many fans of a particular team count an otherwise dismal season a success if their favorites beat their most hated rival in both outings.

*** The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill versus North Carolina State University rivalry can get pretty intense, too. On a side note, there is some weirdly enthusiastic rivalry between UNC-A and UNC-CH...

*** Alabama State and A&M for the SWAC division (the bands too).

** Absolutely, its the oldest rivalry in professional American sports, one that began in New York and simultaneously encompassed the cultural rivalry between Brooklyn (the Dodgers) and Manhattan (the Giants), and was transplanted to the opposite coast, where it once again encompassed the cultural rivalry between [[Los Angeles]] and [[San Francisco]].

* Just in ''Northern'' California, there's San Francisco vs. Oakland. Seen in both baseball (Giants/A's) and football (Forty-Niners/Raiders). I own a cap with the logos of both baseball teams on it, and the last time I wore it to a game between the two I heard calls to "Get off the fence!"

** Also Rugby Union vs. Rugby League (yet another conflict with socio-regional roots).

* In [[Mixed Martial Arts]]:

** Fans of Pride versus fans of the UFC. During the early 2000's, Pride fans repeatedly insisted that Pride featured superior fighters, more exciting action and a better presentation. They often looked down their noses as UFC fighters, whom they considered second rate, and UFC fans, whom they considered ignorant. UFC fans often responded by accusing Pride fighters of using Steroids and criticizing the show's fondness for "freak show" matches. Things came to a head when the UFC bought Pride and shipped most of its big names into the Octagon, where they achieved mixed success. Three years after the last Pride show, internet fans are still dusting off the rivalry.

* Even [[Horse Racing]] fans get into this. The biggest split is between those who think [[Cool Horse|Man O' War]] was the Greatest Racehorse Ever (won 20 out of 21 starts, never finished below second place, would have won the Triple Crown if his owner had run him in the Derby, carried truly massive handicap weights) and those who think [[Secretariat]] is the Greatest Racehorse Ever (Triple Crown winner, won 16 out of 21 starts, with 3 second-place finishes, one third, and one fourth, broke pretty much every standing race and track record he came across including those of all three Triple Crown races, and perhaps most famously, broke the Belmont Park all-time track record by ''two-and-a-fifths seconds'' <ref>For non-racing fans, breaking a record by 1/5 of a second is the norm. 2/5 is a bit rarer. Two whole seconds is ''unheard'' of.</ref> while winning his Belmont by ''thirty. one. lengths''). The arguments can get [[Internet Backdraft|rather heated]].

 

== Web Original ==

** On the other hand, most serious fans of the Nerd really do hate [[The Irate Gamer]], who is seen as being an inferior rip-off and not confessing to such. Not to mention his [[Small Name, Big Ego]]

* In Germany, it's [[Coldmirror]] fans vs. Die Außenseiter fans, both comedians on Youtube.

 

== [[Tabletop Games]] ==

** Of course, this gets extra stupid when much of the fanbase plays both, many of the parts and models are interchangeable, and ''they're all made by the same company''. [[Fan Dumb|But that doesn't stop anyone]].

** When it comes to different companies, it can get even worse. One of the relatively notable cases is the Warmachine games vs. the Warhammer games. Expect to see "Page 5" and "GRIMDARK" thrown around if the two groups have "discussions".

** There are some people who are fans of what Matt Ward did for the Ultramarines, Grey Knights and Necrons, others who see it as [[Creator's Pet]], [[God Mode Sue]] and [[Character Derailment]] respectively.

** [[Did Not Do the Research|Though some tend to skip over the fact that the latter]] ''[[Did Not Do the Research|was inspired by]]'' [[Did Not Do the Research|the former]]. For that fact, ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' ''[[What Could Have Been|wouldn't even exist]]'' if [[Ensemble Darkhorse|a certain opponent of the week and his game]] [[Breakout Character|hadn't caught the eye of the audience]].

* ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' vs. ''[[Exalted]]'', largely because of the infamous advertising campaign used by [[White Wolf]]. "Graduate your game from third edition!" indeed. Also because many of ''[[Exalted]]'''s veteran fans started in ''[[The World of Darkness]]'' and brought their hate to the table.

* ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]] 4th Edition'' versus ''[[Pathfinder]]''.

 

== [[Theatre]] ==

* If you leave Sondheim out of the picture, there's still Andrew Lloyd Webber vs Frank Wildhorn, whom even people who don't particularly like Webber's works either have characterized as an untalented pretender to Webber's throne. Wildhorn's own fanbase adores him and will defend him to the death against basically every other composer out there.

* Similarly, Stephen Sondheim vs Jerry Herman fans. Jerry Herman fans tend to site Sondheim as 'unhummable' 'depressing' or 'pretentious' while Sondheim fans tend to say Jerry Herman's stuff is 'saccharine' 'too cute' and 'frivlous musicals.'

* ''[[Tanz der Vampire]]'' versus its short-lived American counterpart ''Dance of the Vampires''. Notable in that even the composer himself has called ''Dance'' "utter shit" on his blog. Still, there are fans out there who like the American version for taking itself less seriously. This happy minority tends to simply sit back and explain that they think both versions have their high points.

* An example from a much earlier period in theatre history: Al Jolson vs. Eddie Cantor.

* Edwin Forrest and William Charles Macready, two rival Shakespearean actors from the 1840s. Read about them at [http://www.cracked.com/article_19348_the-5-most-embarrassing-things-angry-mobs-have-rioted-over_p2.html this Cracked.com article].

 

== [[Video Games]] ==

* ''[[System Shock]]'' vs. ''[[BioShock (series)]]''. Even if you like both or prefer ''[[System Shock]] 2'' over Bioshock, this is ''NOT OKAY''.

** On the other hand, if you dare suggest [[BioShock (series)]] is actually a good game, ''some'' [[System Shock]] fans will eat you alive, call you a Console Kiddy, and kick you out of their forum.

** There seems to be some pressure between ''[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past|Link to the Past]]'' and ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|Ocarina of Time]]'' fans as to which one's better, and even if the other's good at all.

** All of the Zelda games have fans (even ''[[The Legend of Zelda CDI Games|those ones]]'' have [[Memetic Mutation|some ironic ones]]). If you claim to like all <s>18</s> 15 ''Zelda''s you're deluding yourself and have blood on your hands.

* ''[[World of Warcraft]]'' vs. ''[[Final Fantasy XI]]''—at least among those for whom the latter is even on the radar. They embody instant gratification vs. hard work, casual play vs. dedicated hobby—or, less charitably, [[Scrub]] vs. [[Stop Having Fun Guy]]. Additionally, they display solo vs. group emphasis.

** ''[[World of Warcraft]]'' vs. ''[[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] Online'' is a second MMO rivalry.

*** Compare to the rivalry between ''[[Warcraft]]'' and ''[[Warhammer Fantasy Battle]] Fantasy''.

** ''[[City of Heroes]]'' is another [[Unknown Rival]].

** Everquest fans hold a grudge against [[WoW]] that looks like this.

** ''[[EVE Online]]'' players tend to stay away from the fracas for some reason, oddly enough for an MMORPG that has been demonstrated to be [[Serious Business]] - probably due to a different gameplay emphasis.

*** This one has gotten disturbing of late. If you can find a discussion on SW:TOR's main forums that involve Guild Wars, you ''will'' find someone lying about Guild Wars 2 just to make it look bad. There was one thread where a guy ''claimed he was playing the GW2 beta'' to reinforce his argument that he knew TOR was superior. The GW2 beta ''is not out yet.'' Some GW2 fans love this and go troll the TOR forums, only making the problem worse.

** In case you haven't noticed the trend by now, over 90% of the Fandom Rivalries in the MMORPG genre can be summed up as [[WoW]] vs. whatever game is currently in second place in popularity.

* ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' fans think ''[[Rock Band]]'' tries to do too much and doesn't do anything well. ''[[Rock Band]]'' fans think ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' has bad chart design and, with ''World Tour'', [[Follow the Leader|is ripping them off]]. The minority who play and enjoy both just stay out of the way.

** Due to both series' [[Mission Pack Sequel]]s, [[Metallica]] vs. [[The Beatles]] is an easy way to start an argument between fans of not those two bands, but rather of said video game series. This despite the fact that both bands are completely different.

*** Good god, ''[[Battlefield (series)|Battlefield]]'' versus ''[[Call of Duty]]'', a rivalry deliberately started by [[Electronic Arts]] themselves. The intense amount of [[Fan Dumb]] spouted by both sides is enough to give one a headache. Not completely unrelated to this is...

*** [[Steam]] versus EA's Origin. One of them is a well-established digital games platform (which ''Call of Duty'' games are directly integrated to, controversially starting with ''[[Modern Warfare]] 2''). The latter is coming out with the explicit purpose of destroying the former. Compounded by EA refusing to comply with Steam's terms of agreement, which led to the removal of some games (''[[Crysis (series)|Crysis]] 2'' and ''[[Dragon Age II]]'') from Steam, which will certainly end up on Origin when it comes out.

**** EA really likes starting fan wars, doesn't it?

** To a certain extent, there's even a ''[[Halo (series)|Halo]]'' vs. ''[[Marathon Trilogy|Marathon]]'' rivalry, as some people think Bungie merely recycled the latter's ideas into the former with more modern production values and more commercial success. The Mac vs. Windows rivalry (as described elsewhere) might also have something to do with it, since the ''Marathon'' trilogy was originally released for the Mac before fans created the Aleph One cross-platform port, whereas Halo was originally made for Microsoft's Xbox (though it was later ported to the Mac as well as the PC). However, in this case, it's more acceptable and common to like both than usual.

*** Speaking of which, ''[[Marathon Trilogy|Marathon]]'' vs. ''[[Doom (series)|Doom]]'' for old-school FPS supremacy. The former was considered technologically superior and had an infinitely deeper storyline, but since it was originally released for the Mac, which has never been known for its huge gaming community, the latter was much more widely played. And, of course, there were probably Doom players who just liked killing stuff without having to follow a story.

* ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' vs. ''[[Dragon Quest]]'', although this one is probably a little stronger in Japan, since love for the ''Dragon Quest'' series elsewhere lies mostly with a cult following.

** A stronger example for Americans would probably be, within the ''Final Fantasy'' series, pre-''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' games vs. FF7 and anything beyond. ''[[Final Fantasy VI]]'' and ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' in particular have fandoms with a hate-on for one another. The other strongest rivalries are FFVII Vs. FFX, FFIX Vs. Underappreciation, and FFVIII Vs. Every other game in the series. There's lots of [[Hate Dumb]] to be had.

** There's also ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' vs. ''[[The Legend of Zelda]]''. The most heated debate is usually between fans of ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]'' for the Sony PlayStation and ''[[Ocarina of Time]]'' for the Nintendo 64, crossing over into [[Console Wars]], with both heatedly declaring that their specific game was the biggest RPG of all time. Even though Zelda is an [[Action Adventure]] series, not an RPG.

** A smaller scale rivalry is ''Final Fantasy'' vs. the [[Tales (series)]], or, to be more accurate, ''Final Fantasy VII'' vs. ''[[Tales of Symphonia]]''. Both games are considered by and large to be the greatest games in their respective series, and thus are at the heart and passion of next to all of the flame wars of these two franchises. It should also be noted that while ''Final Fantasy'' as a series is very dark and brooding, the Tales series is much more akin to the classic [[Eastern RPG|JRPG]]s of the SNES era, though with dark elements of their own, just not as extreme.

* ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' vs. ''[[Epic Mickey]]''. The ''[[Kingdom Hearts]]'' [[Hatedom]] has flocked to ''[[Epic Mickey]]'''s side for being a massive, epic Disney game without [[Square Enix]] or Tetsuya Nomura's involvement.

** Amusingly, the (unofficial) ''Metal Gear'' wiki has a fairly neutral article on ''Splinter Cell'', and in the "Trivia" section mentions that the fans of one series often dislike the other, concluding with, "It's a good idea to ignore both of them."

** The best part is that Konami and Ubisoft see it in a more friendly light. Both even cooperating to allow each other to create cameos in their games. Cameos that don't involve any [[Take That]] shots at each other even.

* You do occasionally run into ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' versus ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]''. Yes, despite being two parts of [[When They Cry|the same metaseries]], there's still debate over which is better.

* ''[[Heroes of Newerth]]'' and ''[[League of Legends]]'' are both inspired by the original ''[[Defense of the Ancients All Stars]]'' mod - the former is a straight copy, the latter has a few superficial differences. Yet if you listen to their respective fans on the forums, ''LoL'' is ridiculously easy to master and only for kids, is too different, the items are boring and the graphics suck; and ''HoN'' has a terrible user interface, unintuitive gameplay, is not different enough, the items are boring and the graphics suck. Arguments like 'the automap is on the wrong side of the screen' and 'the item icons are ugly' are not uncommon. Very little effort is spent explaining the reasons why their favourite game is good as opposed to why the other game is trash.

* ''[[Samurai Warriors]]'' vs. ''[[Sengoku Basara]]'', due to both being [[Hack and Slash]] games based on the the [[Feudal Japan|Sengoku Era]]. It doesn't help that fans of their respective series view certain portrayals of some characters in one series as a [[Take That]] to their portrayal in the other.

* A very old one that still persists among the retro community: ''[[Repton]]'' versus ''Boulder Dash''. Made worse by the fact that they have completely different styles yet appear very similar on the surface.

** Another argument pirates often use is that paying for games despite said [[Copy Protection]] causes companies to feel like they can get away with anything.

* ''[[Touhou]]'' fandom gets some hate from the more general [[Shoot'Em Up]] fandom for not focusing on the games, and the games themselves being mechanically simplistic. When the Touhou fans actually notice, they generally respond that the other games have boring, ugly patterns and mediocre writing.

** Also, [[CAVE]] vs. [[Eighting Raizing]].

* ''[[Half-Life (series)|Half-Life]]'' fans vs. ''[[Portal (series)|Portal]]'' fans. This is an [[Enforced Trope]]: to make sure ''Portal'' doesn't get a hatedom, Valve set it in the ''Half-Life'' universe, and Aperture Science (the facility in ''Portal'') became rivals of Black Mesa (the facility in ''Half-Life''). In addition, ''[[Half-Life 2]]: Episode Two'' featured a discovery of an Aperture research vessel, Borealis, with Eli Vance vowing to destroy it "whatever it takes", and in ''[[Portal 2]]'' Cave Johnson implies Black Mesa stole Aperture Science's corporate secrets and made profit of them themselves. While some fan circles do seem to get in an argument whetter Aperture Science or Black Mesa is "better", most of them became fans of both, destroying the trope.

* ''[[Tetris the Grand Master]]'' vs. ''[[Tetris]]'' in general. The former tends to have a difficult time playing the latter—not necessarily because [[It's Easy, So It Sucks]], but because they run into issues such as [[Damn You, Muscle Memory!|different (and forced) control schemes and changes in gameplay mechanics that make switching from TGM very annoying]]. The latter tends to dismiss TGM as [[It's Hard, So It Sucks|too hard to play]] after having watched some infamous videos on YouTube—doesn't help that the TGM series, outside of the mildly-known TGM clone ''[http://code.google.com/p/nullpomino NullpoMino]'', is arcade-only and [[No Export for You|never saw an overseas release]] (and most likely never will due to some [[Executive Meddling]] on both the developer's part and The Tetris Company's part).

* In [[The Beautiful Game|soccer]] [[Sports Game]], it's [[Electronic Arts]]' ''[[FIFA Soccer]]'' series vs. [[Konami]]'s ''Winning Eleven/Pro Evolution Soccer''. The former is criticized for being too ''easy'' to score a goal while the latter is criticized for being too ''difficult'' to score a goal.

* Fans of Take Two's ''[[NFL 2 K]]'' series have had it in for ''[[Madden NFL]]'' ever since EA purchased the exclusive NFL license and drove the former franchise off the market.

* ''[[Free Space]]'' fans vs ''[[Wing Commander (video game)|Wing Commander]]'' fans, although both fandoms treat it as more of a friendly rivalry anymore (that there is a major ''Wing Commander'' mod for ''Freespace'' is telling). ''Freespace'' fans and ''Battlecruiser 3000 AD'' fans had a more bitter enmity, mainly due to an incident where ''Battlecruiser's'' creator made a bid for buying ''Freespace's'' license, and the resulting [[Flame War]].

* Within the [[Beat'Em Up]] genre, ''[[Final Fight]]'' vs. ''[[Streets of Rage]]''.

 

 

== [[Western Animation]] ==

* ''[[WITCH (animation)|WITCH]]'' and ''[[Winx Club]]'' have this, being Western [[Magical Girl]] series starring a [[Five-Man Band]] that uses [[Elemental Powers]] and debuted in the same year.

** Though it's not universal among fans, it is official in a sense that an executive who worked on ''WITCH'' derided ''Winx Club'' for being produced quickly, stealing the spotlight from his own show and leading ultimately to its cancellation.

** ''[[Tangled]]'' succeeded in [[And the Fandom Rejoiced|uniting]] these fandoms by [[Taking a Third Option|essentially being a classical hand-drawn feature done in CGI]] - and with [[Crowning Music of Awesome|music]] by [[Alan Menken]], to boot!

*** Also Pixar vs. [[Dreamworks Animation]], thanks in no small part due to ''[[Shark Tale]]'' [[Incredibly Lame Pun|surfacing]] not long after ''[[Finding Nemo]]''. Or ''[[Antz]]/[[A Bug's Life]]''

*** It has been asserted (by industry insiders) that Jeffrey Katzenberg formed [[DreamWorks]] for the express purpose of taking Disney down after being passed over for promotion. (No word on any vendettas behind [[Steven Spielberg]]'s or David Geffen's involvement)

* ''[[The Simpsons]]'' vs. ''[[Family Guy]]''.

** And ''[[Family Guy]]'' vs. ''[[South Park]]''. There's apparently a friendly feud between the writers of the two shows, but naturally, the fans have taken it way too [[Serious Business|seriously]] and way too far.

** Interestingly, "Cartoon Wars" was inspired by a lack of Fandom Rivalry—Matt and Trey were sick of hearing people say that "''[[South Park]]'' and ''[[Family Guy]]'' are the best shows on television," basically offended that their show was being put in the same category. So, an interesting case where the creators actually actively cultivate (and canonized) said rivalry.

** Fans of ''[[American Dad]]'' generally wish ''Family Guy'' would just disappear, as the former is thought of as a rip-off by ''Family Guy'''s fans, and as "''Family Guy'' 2" by Family Guy's detractors.

** There's sort of a faux-feud between Family Guy and [[Robot Chicken]], as they represent different parts of the adult animation spectrum, but it's only played for laughs, since Seth Macfarlane frequently voice-acts (even cameos) on Robot Chicken and, well, Seth Green gets part of his paycheck from Family Guy.

* [[Nickelodeon|Nicktoons]] vs. [[Cartoon Network]] originals.

** [[Cartoon Cartoons]] (Dexter's Lab, PPG...) vs. post-[[Cartoon Cartoons]] (Ben 10, [[Star Wars: The Clone Wars]])

* ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'' provides an in-universe example in the episode "Nerds of a Feather," where fans of the boys' favorite sci-fi and fantasy movie franchises are at each other's throats.

** And can we say [[Crowning Music of Awesome|totally awesome]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IHCB6FmLiY fight music?]

** As a real life example though, ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'' has this with ''Spongebob Squarepants'', no thanks to a news article where Disney itself plans to compare it to the latter by trying to turn it into a [[Cash Cow Franchise]].

** ''My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic'' and ''[[Adventure Time]]'' is a glaring example. Pony fans see ''Adventure Time'' as nothing but random/trippy shit and [[Toilet Humor]], while ''Adventure Time'' fans see ''Friendship is Magic'' as far too girly and life-lesson filled. Bringing up AT near an MLP fan (or vice-versa) will not end pretty.

* Fans of ''[[Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers (animation)|Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers]]'' will not get along with fans of ''[[Bonkers]]'' at all, due to CDRR fans blaming ''Bonkers'' for the cancellation of ''Rescue Rangers'' (when really it just happened to be the show that replaced CDRR on the [[Disney Afternoon]] lineup after its standard [[Sixty-Five-Episode Cartoon|65 episodes]] were up).

 

 

== Miscellaneous ==

* Application and Game programmers have sometimes arguments of what engine/code language is better. Some examples:

*** It is a myth that GM is only for making games like Mario. For example, it has been proven that it is the easiest engine to implement 3d in (the one with the glasses)

** Flash vs. HTML5.

* Fans vs. [[Hatedom|anti-fans]]. Anti-fans are disgusted by fandoms, which are generally composed of whiny, emotionally stunted philistines with a tremendous sense of entitlement who are confused and frightened by every new thing in their precious objects of fandom and more interested in belonging to a group than actual art. Meanwhile, fans of all stripes detest a particular culture of smarmy, black-hearted elitist cynics who would rather choke on a barbed wire lollipop than remove the rod from their collective ass and enjoy themselves.

** At the time that some people were getting into science fiction fandom more for the social aspects of fandom than because they were into the genre, the expression "We're just fans, we don't read the stuff" appeared. Opponents of those people responded with the slogan, "We're not fans, we just read the stuff."

** Within speculative fiction as a whole, we have [[Science Fiction]] vs. [[Fantasy]], though the line between them is [[Speculative Fiction/Analysis|fairly unclear]].

 

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