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== Has nobody told Vincent about the birds and the bees? ==
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**** His rendering in [[Crisis Core]] really doesn't help highlight his charm either.
**** One trope: [[Kavorka Man]]
*** Women are equal to men. Meaning women can be as equally [[For Science!]] as men can.
** We don't know how deeply involved Vincent and Lucrecia were before she snapped and married Hojo. Or what the exact timing of her pregnancy was. For all we know Vincent may very well have assumed he was the father.
** For the youngsters out there, Vincent being the biological father of Sephiroth has been a mater of speculation for ''years'' until the compilation came out and discredited it. The scene where he gets all surprised after finding out that Hojo is indeed the father it's an obvious [[Plot Hole]] that [[Shrug of God|nobody had bother to answer]]
*** [[
** I always suspected it was a case of [[Rape
*** That would only make better the fact that I stop thinking Lucretia was completely out of her mind.
== Where did the Ancients who aren't Ifalna and Aerith go? ==
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** It's implied that the Ancient bloodline has been diluted to the extreme, thanks to mingling with humans. Ifalna might not be the last ''actual'' Ancient, but the last person to display Ancient ''powers''. This gets passed on to her daughter. So the Ancient race might not have technically died out, just co-mingled with humanity to the point of being phased out as a distinct species.
** IIRC, an ordinary human (Prof. Gast) was Aeris' father, so her connection to the Ancients must be cultural/spiritual more than it's genetic.
*** No, it's definitely implied to be genetic. In the
** Actually, JENOVA's virus killed off most of the Ancients when she collided into the planet from her last target planet. Us humans retreated into caves and stuff. 1000 years later, all that was left was Ifalna and Aeries.
** I always figured it was because Cetra/Ancients had Tolkien Elf-esque long life spans, which explains why Ifalna seems to have first-hand knowledge of the Jenova crisis.
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**** The scene - hell, the whole sidestory of Red and his father would have been cheapened if he could just bring him back. Rule of drama, I guess.
**** The ultimate point is that Seto continued to fight when all others failed, even as he was being turned to stone, and had been left that way with the door sealed behind him so the Gi could never enter Cosmo Canyon. Left petrified like that, his body was irreversibly destroyed, but his soul lived on within the statue to continue this mission. The tears were most likely liquefied spirit/Mako energy rather than any actual material substance. The rage about Aeris' death is because it happens onscreen and the heroes don't do a thing to try to fix it. Seto was believably dead.
**** I think [[
**** [[Final Fantasy V]] also had a situation where someone fights well beyond their limits and ''nothing'' can save his life.
*** There is at least one theory that Soft can only be used on party members, otherwise it just brings back a mindless, possibly soulless corpse. Also, I wondered about the Seto thing but not the Aeris thing.
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** Because a Phoenix Down cures the KO status effect, not being, you know, dead.
*** The response from another talk page was too good not to quote here:
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*** This quote not only doesn't explain anything, but it also contradicts itself while showing a flaw in the game logics. If the grim reaper takes the soul of the person to the underworld, being he a symbol of death itself, how come a Phoenix Down gets them back to their feet? Also, the Phoenix is known for being a fire bird that, after dying, revives from the ashes of its previous body, not as a bird that wakes up after going to sleep.
*** That's because ''[[Don't Explain the Joke|he was being sarcastic]]''.
** Because if she hadn't died, she wouldn't have been in the Lifestream to use it to divert Meteor. So there was a [[Heroic Sacrifice|pretty good reason]] to keep her dead, and a [[The End of the World
** While this is the stance I take on it, by Word of God, Aerith did not mean to sacrifice herself, because it was "too cliche" & "sent the wrong message." The way I reconcile this is that Aerith's death was necessary, but she didn't know that. As to the Phoenix Down thing? In the spinoffs, you have to use a Phoenix Down on someone before they die, and it kicks in just after they do. I tend to go with that explanation. Even though it isn't the way it is in FFVII, we should remember that gameplay doesn't apply in cutscenes, anyway, but we don't, because we go out of our way to rationalize things.
*** IIRC the "wrong message" sent by Aerith's death would have been if she had died to save ''Cloud'' the way your average JRPG self-sacrificing lady-type tends to do; having her die [[Women in Refrigerators|just to hurt the player's feelings and motivate Cloud]] was their way of avoiding that particular trope. Seriously, we can argue about how dumb it is that you can't save her with a Phoenix down for another twenty years, but the end result? Aerith died because the writers wanted her dead. [[Word of God]] is incurable outside of fanfiction.
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*** She may have been at a point where a phoenix down would have just revived her and she would have re-died right away from her injuries again. And nobody said that the other party members never tried a phoenix down, it may have just happened off-screen, between cutscenes. Of course, you don't lose a phoenix down, but maybe it came from Hammerspace like the smoke bomb Shadow used in the burning building in FFVI.
* Hmmmm, I think Phoenix Downs do have the power to restore life, or they are supposed to. Why do I think so? You can kill an undead boss with one in the middle of the game. It's "Holy" power basically has the reverse effect on the undead monster. Note it doesn't KO him, but kills him.
** It kills him because he's an undead and you just hit him with a massive surge of healing energy. You can damage him with Cure spells and other healing items the same way, so that in no way proves that a Phoenix Down doesn't just deliver a timely jolt of healing.
== Junon just loves its super cannon? ==
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** Her defensive stats aren't the best in the world...
** It could have been that Aerith had to be a required [[[Heroic Sacrifice]]] in order to call in Holy's power.
** Sephiroth attacked her from above. The angle at which the sword actually entered her is important. Explaining this in words is complicated but basically, because the sword entered her vertically it damaged more than just one general spot [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110403053821/finalfantasy/images/e/ee/AerithDeath3.jpg\]{{Dead link}}. There's also the fact that Aerith is very thin, and doesn't appear to have much muscle; the sword went through her like butter and kept going, with about a foot sticking out by the time it stops[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110403054126/finalfantasy/images/9/91/AerithDeath4.jpg\]{{Dead link}}. Then her body slid down the sword, with the friction likely causing more damage. Although it's not shown, I'm assuming there's also some blood loss. That injury was definitely enough to kill.
** People die if they are killed.
== We can't let those Shinra jerks save the world! ==
* They're facing [[The End of the World
** If you fail to save the Huge Materia, it still doesn't actually work. So, technically, you just go and rescue the Huge Materia from being pointlessly destroyed, rather than sabotaging the only "working" plan to save the world...
*** Yes, but the heroes ''did not know that at the time.'' No one had any idea if Shinra's plan was going to work or not, but the heroes just decide to sabotage it ''anyway''.
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== Shiny happy pollution in Junon? ==
* If Lower Junon is a really polluted and dirty place with no fish, then why is the water so clean-looking? In the underwater tunnel leading to the Junon Reactor, you can clearly see schools of fish swimming around in there without a problem, and "Mr. Dolphin" swims happily near the beach. Even the music is bright and cheery.
** Did you perhaps notice when you were inspecting these flaws that the graphics are not necessarily the most advanced in the world?
== Let's send Sephiroth to the one town that'll make him go crazy! ==
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** Some common fannon says that Hojo is completely inept, and cites breeding Aerith and Red XIII as an example. It's more consistent with other things in the game than assuming he's a great scientist would be.
*** Hojo is certifiably insane. Then again, he also managed to cross human and alien DNA, so who knows? It's certainly possible through the power of SCIENCE!!
**** We're never really told what Nanaki is, but it's clear that they're a very spiritual people who are fairly connected to the planet. That may factor into why Hojo thought he could crossbreed the two. It may also be that the Ancients and other highly evolved things like them naturally come with [[Lego Genetics]].
** I don't think they are all male, it's just that you're seeing a bunch of very low-res character models from, for the most part, top-down.
== What does Vincent see in her? ==
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== What makes the [[FF 7]] heroes so special? ==
* Although it's understandable from a gameplay standpoint, what's the reasoning behind the party being the only one running around? Other games from the series have the main party as [[The Chosen One]], or [[Loads and Loads of Characters]] would lead to other adventerers joining in. In this installment, we have materia and weapons (some of it quite useful) sold at shops. Ordinary characters like Barret, Tifa, and Cid are perfectly capable of using them. Yet, the party has a total of 9 characters, and, aside from the Turks, you never run into anyone else taking advantage of these items, even when it's [[The End of the World
** Because the party members are the only ones who really know what's going on. Until Meteor shows up, nobody else in the world besides Shinra even ''know'' that Sephiroth is back, or that there's any trouble at all. They can't pick up weapons and fight against something they don't know about, after all. Plus, Cloud has the direct connection to Sephiroth that pretty much nobody else on the planet does.
*** Though it doesn't explain why the people in Coral don't just buy up some and go after [[Money Spider|Money Spiders]] or something.
**** For the same reason NPCs in every RPG ever don't take advantage of the game mechanics to change their lot in life: it's a video game and they're not player characters.
== The Lifestream just hates Lucrecia? ==
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*** According to later canon (Maiden who travelled the Planet and Lifestream Black & White), people who enter the Lifestream's cycle surrender their memories to it in order to join the other souls. Ancients like Aerith can mantain their selves and help the others to regain their memories. Or, if you are a badass like Sephiroth, you can cling to your most important memories and keep detached from the Lifestream (he still had to give up the memories of his physical form, though).
*** ''Maiden'' isn't canon, just so you know:
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== President (Insert Name Here) Shinra ==
* Has President Shinra's first name ever been mentioned anywhere in canon? My [[Fanon]] name for him is [
** I don't recall a first name ever being given in the game, and the [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/President_Shinra Final Fantasy Wiki] doesn't mention one either.
** I took the easy way out in a fanfic I once wrote and just called him Rufus Shinra, Sr.
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** The only other explanation for the slapping incident which is remotely consistent with majority of Tseng's characterization (especially in Crisis Core), is that he was somehow trying to protect Aerith by keeping her quiet -- i.e., he slapped Aerith to keep her from saying something that might further endanger her (Aerith) or Marlene.
** I think this was adressed in the novel [http://thelifestream.net/ffvii-advent-children-complete/5602/on-the-way-to-a-smile-case-of-shinra-translated/ On The Way To A Smile: Case of Shinra ]. <ref>"Before long after many years and certain events passed, Aerith came into contact with the anti-Shinra group Avalanche and the situation took a sudden change. Tseng became agitated as he couldn’t get a grasp of the situation at hand and because of that he treated Aerith with an attitude of such pretense evil that even his subordinates turned cold towards him. He would always think of what to say to them. ''This isn’t pretense evil. To Aerith, Shinra itself is evil. That’s why evil should act like evil.''"</ref> I don't fully understand Tseng's reasoning here, but I think he's basically refusing to lie to her and act like everything's going to be okay, when he knows that being captured by Shinra means hell for her.
** It's possibly a case of [[Early Installment Weirdness]], just that it was due to being written early in the game. Also people keep referencing Crisis Core as if it was even a thought in the back of anyone's mind when the original game came out. The simplest explanation: Tseng was intended to be a cold, callous asshole character. Slapping Aerith is indicative of that. They softened him very, ''very'' slightly during the course of the game itself, and then uplifted him to being a caring sort of person in the materials written well after his original appearance.
== Aerith - flower girl by day, working girl by night? ==
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**** Google what? Most terms from this game will just bring up guides and maybe fic. Doesn't this rumor just come from her deal with Cloud to go out with him if he'll be her bodyguard?
***** If Cloud goes into the Honeybee Lounge in Sector 6, when he comes out he'll find Aerith has been ''flirting'' with all of the men gawking at her in order to sell her flowers. She clearly knows how to get attention, anyway. Aerith's innocent persona is a fairly recent invention. I mean, how many nice girls would force a guy to parade around in drag in front of his childhood love interest? (Speaking of that, did you see the racy dress she was in during that stint? Yowza!)
****** The "innocent persona" has a lot to do with the fact that in her appearances outside of the original, she is [[Crisis Core|only fifteen or sixteen]]. Other than that, there's Advent Children (in which she's dead), and [[Kingdom Hearts]]. And the [http://www.cosplaykitten.com/reference/WallmarketAerith.jpg dress] isn't that racy. It looks like a classy coctail dress, and [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101017054510/finalfantasy/images/3/33/Wall_Market_Tifa.jpg Ti]{{Dead link}}[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080229131345/finalfantasy/images/3/3e/Tifa_Hot-.jpg fa] and Yuffie show more skin on a daily basis. As for talking Cloud into dressing in drag (she didn't force him), I just attribute that to game humor. Regardless, that doesn't make her a mean person; she clearly never did anything to them out of spite. She sells flowers to make a living, so why not try to sell them at the Honeybee Inn if she's already there?
**** These rumours might have been also fueled by [[Final Fantasy Tactics]]. The Flower Girl Aerith in that game (who is not the same Aerith) is rescued by Cloud (who ''is'' the same Cloud) from someone who is evidently not a common thug, but a bona-fide criminal leader, to whom she owes money, and who suggests to her to "sell her body" instead of flowers.
** [[Rule 34]]. Enough said.
** It's not that far-fetched. When you met her she tried to sell you flowers, then act surprised when you actually bought it. Now think about it. Her flowers are just one friggin gil a piece and she barely sell them at all, how could she make a living selling them then? The obvious answer is that the flowers are just a cover, she sells something else. With that conclusion she's either a prostitute or a drug dealer.
*** She has a very nice garden growing outside her home that likely provides her and her mother plenty of food... she probably doesn't need the money from the flowers, she likely does it trying to brighten people's day. (Just that selling them for a gil seems less suspicious and weird than giving them away.) The only time she's shown getting more for them is from the guys flirting with her outside the Honeybee Inn, which is more indicative of Aerith's mildly snotty sense of humor than anything naughty. You could as easily make the same assumption about any of the characters who have money to spend but no visible means of income, but I don't see anyone trying to come up with justifications to claim that Barret's out there offering up his butt on streetcorners and that's how he got the money he was putting into Marlene's college fund.
== Aerith likes schmucks? ==
* Most of the ''[[Relationship Values]]'' for Tifa/Aerith date sequence in the original game makes sense. But in [[Crisis Core]], it really bugs me that the way to increase Aerith's affection with Zack is to be a schmuck ''continuously''. You have to believe in all the market NPCs while they ''help'' you, when they are obviously treating you like an idiot and letting the thief run away. So... what exactly does this say about Aerith -- she likes her men naive to the point of being a [[Cloudcuckoolander]]?
** I interpreted it as "points for being in-character", since Crisis Core's date points differ from [[Final Fantasy VII|FF7]]'s in that the only possible outcome is Aeris, and, to be fair, Zack is pretty much a grade-A sucker. I mean--look at how suggestible he is when interacting with, say, the other 1st Class SOLDIERs, or with Yuffie, or even with freaking Hojo, who, if you inspect the giant sample tube while you're protecting him, manages to trap Zack inside just by telling him to look closer for what's in it (nothing, until Zack himself).
** Aerith apparently likes nice people, who show compassion and kindness. Believing what people tell you isn't very effective at catching criminals, but it is nice. So it's not that Aerith likes her men naive, it's that she is herself rather naive in her outlook and values, and wants the man she dates to reflect those values.
== So many Jenova cells, so little time ==
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*** According to [[Word of God|the Ultimania]], Limit Breaks are just [[Charles Atlas Superpower|concentrated fighting spirit]] or some DBZ shit like that. Just like Videl learned to fly and shoot thunderbolts although she's not a Saiyan, Tifa can suplex monstrosities a few hundreds or thousands of times her size. Same, same, but different.
*** Not so segregated: Cloud can coach a young girl on using her limit break in the Sector 7 training hall. The conversation isn't a long one, but demonstrates that 1) limit breaks are something anyone can use and 2) their strength is greatly increased by it.
**** It's a tongue-in-cheek tutorial area where treasure chests and save points talk to you, and you have a brief conversation with the little hand over your head. I'm pretty sure it's even more segregated from the story than the rest of the gameplay.
* Maybe we should just call it a [[Widget Series|WJT]] or something.
* All life on the planet ends and begins in the lifestream. Everything is connected to the lifestream. Everyone has a small current similar to the lifestream within them. A limit break is using the energy from the current to perform superhuman feats (using Materia, which is crystalized lifestream, they can perform even greater superhuman feats). Everyone can perform a limit break, although many wouldn't ever need to, and don't have the experience or fitness to do it. [http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/6418/planet_jenova_genesis_fananalysis/ This article] on [[The Lifestream]].net expalains it best.
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== What the hell, Zangan? ==
* This has bugged me since I first played the game. Zangan is supposedly highly selective about his students (even if he does claim to have 128), so naturally, one might expect him to have some sort of attachment to them--even filial. So what does he do when his ("dearest") fifteen-year-old student gets slice-'n'-diced? Dumps hers in Midgar and [[Put
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*** I never noticed Zack's earring. Huh. But it's not uncommon for men to wear a single earring...on the other hand, I've never seen or met a woman who has intentionally done the same.
**** 27 year old woman here. Been wearing a single earring since I was 15. It may not be common where you live, but where I live it's not that rare.
***** [https://web.archive.org/web/20131010025017/http://2012rankmaniac.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/rankmaniac2012-40.gif Well, I'll be damned.]]
== Cloud beat Sephiroth, spread a deadly disease around the world and got himself infected while searching the cure, he'll take tequila with that. ==
* At first I thought that this should go to WMG, until it ''really'' started to bug me. In On the Way to a Smile: [https://web.archive.org/web/20130401085015/http://ffviinovels.lhyeung.net/caseoftifa/ Case of Tifa], we can read about Cloud and Tifa's relationship, also we can see how Cloud gradually becomes cold with them and starts to show his depression. At one point he [[Drowning My Sorrows|starts drinking]], Tifa is serving him and asks if she can drink with him, and he replies "I want to drink alone", Tifa pisses off and tells him that he then go to drink in his room. Now, call me paranoic, but one of the habits that can end in alcoholism (and also a sign of a secretly alcoholic person) is drinking alone, and doing it while you're depressed only makes it worse, raising the chances of it becomes a problem.<br />Call me crazy, but if Cloud is bad in the movie, who knows what would happened if he had this problem. Add to that that all his problems, in the [[Real Life]], leads people to drinking their problems, like he seems started to do. Someone in another folder talked about Cloud's emotional and mental fragility (a pretty darn good argument), and, if we asume Cloud would have another relapse and gets depressed again, he could resort to booze and maybe things would [[It Got Worse|get nastier than before Advent Children]], in the subject of Cloud's problems. For me, this almost crosses the [[Fridge Horror]] territory, if we take in count that the children and Tifa would have to see Cloud in such state, slowly deteriorating, specially Denzel, looking at his hero state. Tifa would be like this too, but as far as I read, she was angry with him when he refuses her company while drinking, and most likely wouldn't call him of that until it was too late, maybe resulting in Tifa kicking him out, and/or Cloud leaving them ''for real'' if he represented a menace to the children (we don't know if he's an aggresive drunk or something). Add to that Tifa being seriously hurted emotionally, something like this could break her too.<br />So, Yeah. Cloud's acoholic tendencies steps in [[Fridge Horror]] territory for me.
** So... you're upset because Cloud has emotional problems, and deals with them in a bad way. This was not apparent to you at first glance?
*** Not when I saw the original movie, and I didn't read the novellas at that time; I realized when I read them and it were more apparent to me once I watched Complete (I admit that I tend to ignore things or not realize until much latter... [[Attention Deficit Ooh Shiny|Ooh, shiny!]]). And it doesn't upset me, it just... That I didn't realize about it earlier, and damn it's depressing seeing him like that (it looks like his status is contagious). The fridge horror part kicks me from the possible scenarios that could came from Cloud's problem ([[Cloudcuckoolander|I tend to let my mind fly]] with possible scenarios, and the ones I have with this in particular are [[Nightmare Fuel|not]] [[Nightmare Fuel Station Attendant|pretty]]). On the other side, my sadistic and masochistic side, I sorta like this as it shows us how bad he's at the moment, letting up grasp how much his survivor's guilt and PTSD is hitting him, also showing more of his deep, complex character and personality, and many other reasons that I'm not going to list because I'm too tired, forget about it.
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**** Though that scene at the same time also confirms they were sleeping in the same bed before Cloud left.
** The official [[Word of God]] is that Cloud and Tifa were engaged previous to Advent Children and his contraction of Geostigma, which caused him to grow distant and ultimately leave her, Denzel, and Marlene. This can be seen in that they wear the same ring on their hands, oftentimes a sign of an engaged couple.
** There are two versions of that scene and the aftermath. If your "affection score" or whatever with Tifa is high and you answer certain ways, she leans closer to you as the camera pans away. If it's low and you answer different ways, she stays where she is as the camera pans. Afterwards when the others greet you and mention the previous night, if the former happened Tifa exclaims "Were you watching?!" whereas in the latter she asks "Were you listening?!" and then goes to have an embarrassment breakdown in the corner. "Listening" implies she was embarrassed at having her private discussion with Cloud overheard, "watching" implies... activities.
== Sephiroth's hair versus the Buster Sword. ==
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