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* {{spoiler|Seymour's}} plan to [[PutCruel Them Out Of My MiseryMercy|Put Spira Out Of Its Misery]]. Yevon's core principle is that death is an end to suffering, so they shouldn't grieve over lost loved ones because they're "in a better place." They're actually {{spoiler|letting Sin rampage to encourage dependence on Yevon's summoners via the Calms}}, but by that principle, wiping out all life in Spira would be the ethical thing to do and he's the only one willing to do it.

* ''[[Final Fantasy X]]'' always used to be my least favouritefavorite game of the series, until I played it through for the third time or so. {{spoiler|It came, when it really should have in the first coupla run-throughs, when you get to Home and Tidus learns the truth of Yuna's journey. All those poignant moments while leaving all the new areas finally hit home, and all of Tidus' well-meaning "we'll come back here when we've beaten Sin"s took on new meanings. With all of Tidus' claims that "this is his story", it really isn't: it's all about Yuna - leaving on this selfless quest to literally give everything to stop Sin, and eventually to stop the endless cycle of Calms. In my mind, at least, Tidus was consigned to irritating love interest and viewpiece for the player, whereas Yuna becomes the real protagonist.}} - Ralphomon

** This troper agreed that Tidus didn't really belong in the story to the save the world plot and remained dangerously close to [[The Scrappy]]. Until I got to the Fayth Cluster at Zanarkand. At this point, {{spoiler|Tidus realizes that if Sin is defeated, the Fayth that are summoning all of Dream Zanarkand, including him, will awaken, and he will vanish}}. This is when the game really does become his story. The most brilliant moment in the game appeared after {{spoiler|Yuna and company decide to [[Take a Third Option]] to stop Sin for good}}. Not only does this change the tone of the game from cynical to idealistic in one fell swoop, it basically switches Yuna and Tidus's positions in the story. {{spoiler|Tidus is the one who has to die for the world to be saved, and Yuna is the one unaware of it}}. The game isn't really just his or her story at this point anymore; it's '''their''' story.-M84

*** I'll go you one better. More proof that the entire FFX saga is the story of both Yuna and Tidus is when you consider their ideologies. In the first game, Tidus is on the Idealist side of the [[Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism]]. When told by Lulu that "if you want everything, you'll get nothing", he immaturely shouts back "but I want everything"! Yuna, however, starts out the story by stating that she'll gladly sacrifice anything if it just means bringing a little happiness to the world, showing how the Cynical nature of the world has colored her views. Now, flashforward to the end of the game. Tidus doesn't even hesitate to put his own life (hell, existence) in jeopardy to truly save the world, even though he essentially earns NOTHING for his trouble; furthermore, even his narration becomes a lot more Cynical and fatalistic. Now, let's flashforward again to X-2. A character offers to sacrifice himself to stop the [[Big Bad]] of that game, but Yuna '''VEHEMENTLY OPPOSES''' this idea and says that she's tired of "losing" to win. So, let's just do a brief summation of all that: By the end of each game, Yuna and Tidus have reversed their positions on the scale. At the end of FFX, Tidus became Yuna and at the end of FFX-2, Yuna became Tidus. -- King Zeal

** In a meta-sense, the polarity of Yuna and Tidus is directly reflected with the way their Japanese translation of their names mean. Moon and Sun alike, which Spira as Earth Yuna giving the Moonlight on the darkness of the world that is Tidus's Sunlight that reflects of Yuna. So it's a funny eclipse story about how the Light and Darkness show each other that when there is something that is challenging they both can be tools to make the world a better place. -- Markus Grey

** New, more general flash of insight: The spirals don't just go inward and down in Spira, they also go up. The whole point is that while Spira is falling in on itself, the main characters' journey is making them mature enough to force Spira into a new cycle of growth, but it's mostly a gentle enough incline that, except for maybe four points in the entire story, it's hardly noticeable at all. Tidus and Wakka being less [[Jerk Jock|Jerk Jocks]] and more of a couple of decent people. Yuna going from someone following in her father's footsteps to someone who wants to really make things better, no matter the personal cost (considering she didn't actually have much to lose before the start of the journey, and her two-ish friends would have suffered more than her). Lulu becoming less emo and blunt and more kindly (as shown by the difference between the first temple and the snowmobile ride) to the point that {{spoiler|she could forgive herself for the previous failure, and confront her former charge, whether spiritually or the actual ghost}}. And Rikku being less [[Sailor Moon|Usagi]] and more post-Wutai Yuffie. Although this does add a whole new dimension of suck to X-2. -[[JET 73 L]]

*** You can also argue that there are spirals inside the spirals. Draw a spiral on a piece of paper. Notice the white spiral you just outlined in the process? Now, look at the Besaid Aurochs pre-Tidus. They're only determined to "do their best", not aim at victory (notice the dejection in Wakka's voice when he first utters it). Sounds a lot like Spira's quandary--not just in that Tidus catalyzes the spiral going up rather than down, but also the psychic shattering to the point where it's believed that victory is impossible, and all one can hope for is to temper the pain of defeat as much as possible. I'm probably late to the party, but it took me a little while to realize that the Aurochs' debacle was meant as a kind of precursor to what Tidus would find afflicting Spira (in this case, "doing their best" would be sealing off Sin as quickly as possible; minimizing as much as possible, rather than outright thwarting, the wreckage). Perhaps one could even argue that {{spoiler|the first drawn spiral was Yu Yevon's despair at saving the real Zanarkand from Bevelle, and so decided all he ''could'' do was "do his best"--by turning Zanarkand's ghost into an eternal punisher of the victor. He and Zanarkand didn't win the conflict, but they could at least bring the ruin-scores as close to even as possible...}} --[[Skyknight Xi]]

* The whole game is about the dead-- {{spoiler|the maesters, Yu Yevon, etc. etc.}}--keeping the living from truly going on and living their lives, because the dead have been around for longer and deserve to keep on going, however static they might be. This game comes from Japan, in which the younger generations are expected to care for their elders (sometimes to their own seeming detriment), and which had just recently been in a state of stasis because, if this troper understands correctly, nobody wanted to invest their savings into spending and thus, into the next generations. Subtle social commentary much?--[[Elana Reskin]]

* Whatever happened to the guardians of all the other high summoners that had more than one guardian? Did they all die when the other was turned into the Final Aeon? --[[User:Wanderlust Warrior]]

* I've said it before, but Wakka not knowing Yuna is part Al Bhed is a bit of [[Fridge Logic]] bordering on fridge squick. If she's got the eye spirals, that means he never ''once'' looked her in the eyes. If she doesn't, that means her mother's heritage was swept under the rug from the ''world'', likely by the church of Yevon. Remember, ''immediately before'' becoming High Summoner, Braska was a ''disgraced'' member of the church for marrying an Al Bhed. And he and others ''knew'' it, since he could get away with saying no one would believe in him anyway. That's why he got the "delusional" drunkard Jecht on his team and it didn't knock him down any further. --[[User:Wanderlust Warrior]]