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DocColress (talkcontribs)

No matter how many times I mark them as read, the numbers keep appearing on the icons next to my username. Is this something wrong with the site that has to be fixed?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

That's been happening for me, too, the last week or so.

Reply to "My alerts and notices"
Dynastia (talkcontribs)

- You admit you have autism. - You spend your life running lowbrow wikis and writing garbage about "lowcows" on your blog (even though you are one). - You are so pathetic you introduce yourself as a wiki admin on your personal blog. - Your only friend is Michael D Suarez (the failed "prankster"). - Please get a life yourself. And now you're siding with the pedos on Kiwi Farms, why does that not surprise me?

Anytime I choose I can vandalise your wiki, its just that its so lame I would rather watch paint dry than click there again.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Dynastia, everything you've posted to this wiki has been harassment of Geth.

Enjoy your vacation. I've set your block to one day; Geth can change that if he wants.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

Rob... I don't think that is the real Dynastia, Dynastia being a KF member himself wouldn't be talking about the "pedos on Kiwi Farms". Also referring to MDS as the "failed prankster" and talking about his blog. This leads to only one answer.

This is Oliver Smith. I'll ask Dynastia later on KF whether this account is actually his to verify my suspicions.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Yeah, same account as before, but this reads like Oliver copypasta, since this is stuff Oliver has typed before and the real Oliver would likely be a lot more vicious than this.

And Lulzkiller, thanks for looking into this, let me know what you find out plz.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

it's 3amish in Australia, so it might be a small while.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I understand, I can wait.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

According to talking to him in his DMs, it's actually Dyn. I'm asking for further confirmation, I'll be back in a bit cause I'm at college and going home.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I see. I'd rather he stop doing that sort of thing because it's becoming disruptive now. It was funny at first and I let it slide as a result, but now he's starting to concern other users, and in the interests of keeping the peace here, I'm going to have to ask him to refrain.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

Apparently he just copypasted one of Olivers ramblings.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I figured as much. Still, he needs to stop, it's becoming disruptive to other users now.

TBeholder (talkcontribs)

I missed the historical visit of a spawn of Sonichu and FeministFreakency? Dammit. =(

Reply to "Geth:"
Solid Virus (talkcontribs)

It's Virus Bot. I'm making it to patrol edits for vandalism or anything else we don't want. I will start by having it notify sysops for suspicious activity and once it gets reliable we can think about using it as a sysop to issue short bans to users who make bad edits.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I see. Please confer with the other sysops for ideas on hows to best implement this bot, because I'd like their opinions before handing out a bot flag.

Labster (talkcontribs)

It's just... I wonder what you mean by suspicious activity. This seems like a good way to start a Thought Police. It makes me nervous to hand out bans automatically -- it's exactly the kind o thing that could drive users away. I have no problem with you using the API to make recommendations, but it's really worrying to see an account requesting sysop privileges on the day after it was created.

Solid Virus (talkcontribs)

It's going to do stuff like compare the byte count and if it's too low it would be flagged as abuse. LulzKiller already the process of adding rights to the bot. I don't expect to get a sysop bot now and I'd find it unwise if those rights were handed out so easily,

We can discuss algorithms the bot can use. It could look for signatures of known vandalism like certain HTML or copy/paste messages or look to see if a user is deleting or adding a large amount or similar content from pages.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

The problem is that low byte count is not by any measure a good metric to determine abuse. I make a lot of changes that can weigh in at +/-20 bytes, just as a matter of tweaking layouts, taking care of spelling errors, correcting redlinks caused by incorrect capitalization, or fixing unescaped "="s embedded in quote templates.

Our most recent vandalizations have almost universally inserted text that looks like comment spam into pages while deleting hundreds or thousands of characters. Others have blanked pages outright. That's the kind of thing we should be looking for. The main problem i can see, though, is how to distinguish legitimate large deletions -- say, splitting up a Trivia page that has items for two or more works into individual pages -- from vandalism. And the opposite, detecting spam pages and distinguishing them from legitimate new pages.

Virus Bot (talkcontribs)

There's more then one approach we can take. I'd look for very large deletions and anything that reduces the size to 0 should automatically be flagged. I don't mean ban the user automatically without other flags corroborating the likelihood of vandalism. We can look at info like what user groups the user is a member of or account age so a confirmed user is more trusted then a new user.

We could look for behavior like a single message being copied across multiple pages in a short amount of time.

This should have been my regular account, not the bot. Not having global bot passwords is a real pain and caused this when I had to log out to generate them on other wikis.

LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

Labster not to interject however solid did say it was suspicious activity alerting first and then if it was good enough, then sysop privileges. Solid wants the bot designation/flag today, and the sysop at a later date if the bot was successful. A bit nitpicky but it's important to clarify.

Labster (talkcontribs)

Interject all you want, friend. Anytime someone brings up sysop on a new account in any context makes my mod senses tingle. That's all. Now if the bot was OSS, that would go a long towards making my fears go away.

Solid Virus (talkcontribs)

I could post the source code for the bot if that's what you're asking. I don't expect a sysop account at any point in the near future.

Reply to "I made a bot account"

Oliver Smith linked to a page that could give you material for Kiwi Farms

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Solid Virus (talkcontribs)

It's here: http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/07/kiwi-farms-the-webs-biggest-community-of-stalkers.html

I cringed when they mentioned women in tech, so they probably have an agenda.

He posted your birthday so if this is accurate you could be at a serious risk of identify theft if he gets your name.

I wouldn't worry about his hit blog. It's not like a site run by many people he tried to crucify you on so most people will see it as the ravings of a mad man. His style could use a lot of work because it reads as exactly that.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I know all about that.

And I'm not worried about him getting ahold of that information, as I've worked very hard to keep that information under wraps (and all the information he has is all he going to find on my public accounts), and the only places he could get all that information not publicly available would be by breaking laws, so thanks for the warning.

I've also informed law enforcement of his malicious intentions for my personal information, so if he tries anything, there is a record on file about this.

Reply to "Oliver Smith linked to a page that could give you material for Kiwi Farms"
Solid Virus (talkcontribs)

I got around to joining your wiki and I like what you're doing here! I'm a programming and netsec freshman so let me know if you need any help. So I read your blog and I'm sorry you had all that drama from Oliver Smith. It sounds like he's more destructive to himself then you.

I'm getting a username change because the capitalization is wrong when I signed up so you might get some dead links when they change it.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the sympathy. If anything, I pity him for feeling such hate and malice of such petty matters as he is enraged over, and have elected to pray for him.

And I understand regarding the name change. Let me know if you require any help or wish to solicit any advice for improving this place, my doors are always open, and I look forward to your contributions. :)

Solid Virus (talkcontribs)

Thanks for the welcome. :)

So is he pissed that he got banned? I could make a vandal patrol bot that doesn't have to take action, but just lets us know where shit happens. That's crazy.

Reply to "I signed up!"
Jade Shauni (talkcontribs)

I'm new and how do I not commit copyright violation? since I'm trying to do the Captain Britain page.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I sent some instructions for this to you on your talk page.

You are new, so we'll be nice about this for now, but please follow the instruction I gave to prevent further mishaps.

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Michaeldsuarez (talkcontribs)

I would like to get you in touch with a friend of mine concerning a issue you're involved in. I've sent you a carbon-copy of an Email that I've sent to this friend. Please let me know if you've received the Email or not.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I got your message, drafting a lengthy reply that will cover both yourself and the other party involved, please forward it to them.

Michaeldsuarez (talkcontribs)

Thanks. I've forwarded the Email, as you requested. You might want to start using "Reply all" so that you don't have to ask others to forward messages.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Derp. Forgot that.

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LulzKiller (talkcontribs)

I apologise for all my edits being rather one-note regarding it relating to your notice about disambig pages but it seems like if I have the spare time (which I don't ATM but maybe at some point), at least changing Humans Are Bastards to Humans Are The Real Monsters will be a mountain on its own.

The differences between the software used here and on ED makes it somewhat educational, just like the process of typing this particular talk topic.

What's the difference between user pages and userwiki pages? That is one area which I have been left at a blank.

Sorry for all the bother,

LK.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

We added the SocialProfile extension, and the UserWiki page is a clone of the User namespace you can port you classic user page to as a backup if you use SocialProfile.

If not, you can revert to only using the classic userpage, though you still can do something like upload a user avatar if you want (will show up in some other features we are implementing)

These features are in testing right now, let me know if you encounter any issues.

Reply to "Thanks"
Idris (talkcontribs)

I wrote a script that could make Template:Spoiler function as it does on TV Tropes (i.e. reveal or hide with a simple click instead of having to highlight the text with the cursor):

You can copy the JavaScript onto MediaWiki:Common.js and the CSS onto MediaWiki:Common.css if you're interest.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Sweet. We have some gadget code that does something similar, but I like your idea even better.

Was going to add you code to our site gadgets (you can change these in user preferences), will be sure to credit you properly. :D

Also, welcome to ATT, hope you have fun here!

Idris (talkcontribs)

Thanks, but I think that you need to remove "!important" from MediaWiki:Common.css for the gadget to function.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Done. If there are any further issues, do let me know.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Think I fixed things, but Miraheze's site caching may make it take a day or two for certain changes to percolate globally.

I also tagged in a fellow admin who does our code to make sure I didn't screw anything up, since he did our default spoiler CSS/JS code as well.

Idris (talkcontribs)

Thanks, but it still doesn't work. Common.css is overruling the gadget's CSS, but I guess you need the "!important" there.

Idris (talkcontribs)

Actually, the best solution is to probably do what I did at Kings Wiki:

http://en.kingswiki.com/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=16688&oldid=12348

Have one class ("spoiler") for the background and border and a separate class ("spoilerhidden") for the color of the text, then have Template:Spoiler be <span class="spoiler spoilerhidden">{{{1}}}</span>. That way, the gadget could be rewritten to toggle "spoilerhidden" out / in.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I just did the changes, they seem to be working well. If not, page User:Labster.

Idris (talkcontribs)

https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-TVTropesStylespoilers.js&diff=1426720

No, it still doesn't work, and that wasn't what I meant for you to do. Please turn ".spoilerhidden" back into ".spoiler", and turn "spoilershown" into "spoilerhidden".

Labster (talkcontribs)

Can we please test our changes to places like {{spoiler}} before deploying? Any changes there require several hours of work rebuilding wiki pages. Thanks.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Whoops, my bad. Could you work on this further, plz? Looks simple, but given what it changes, I rather have someone better versed in this do so.

Okay, so the click spoiler gadget now works right. Thanks Idris, it looks nice!

We still seem to have issues with our other spoiler revealing gadgets, so User:Labster, please look into that when you have the time.

Idris (talkcontribs)

You're welcome.

I forgot about the other two gadgets. To fix them, go to MediaWiki:Gadget-spoilertogglehover.js and MediaWiki:Gadget-spoilersoff.js and replace .removeClass("spoiler") with .removeClass("spoiler spoilerhidden").

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Much appreciated, will do that.

Also, I notice you hail from Kings Wiki. If we don't already have a page on them, feel free to make one. :)

Idris (talkcontribs)

No problem. Thanks.

Kings Wiki is still in early development, its community hasn't reached full fruition yet, and it's still missing articles on key topics. I don't believe that Kings Wiki is ready to be summed up with tropes just yet.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Well, if you just want a stub article inviting people to check it out and give a brief overview of it's purpose, we're cool with that if you want, but if you feel it isn't appropriate now, I understand.

In any event, be proud, you're an obvious benefit to both our communities. :)

Labster (talkcontribs)

Back on the topic of click-to-reveal spoilers, the only problem with this is that you can accidentally click a link when trying to reveal a spoiler. Because the spoiler span is the parent of the hyperlinks, maybe bind a click event on links in spoiler tags with event.preventDefault(), but only if the spoiler is hidden. That would still let the click event bubble up to the spoiler span.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Noticed that issue myself, could you tweak the code for this to fix that that then?

Labster (talkcontribs)

Done

Labster (talkcontribs)

Wow, {{done}} is pretty impressive in Flow!

Reply to "Inline spoilers"
Xane123 (talkcontribs)

Hi, GethN7; I figured you'd know about how this wiki works, so I figured I'd ask.

I notice here some links are differently-colored but when I look at the page I link to, its source doesn't have anything special to tell ATT to color it a certain way, and I'm thinking if this is an extension, maybe Miraheze could put it on my wiki for World of Kirbycraft to make it obvious when linking to a map, object, or character page.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Ask User:Labster about it. It's a custom extension for our wiki, he can modify it easily for yours.

Labster (talkcontribs)

Sure. Open a Phabricator task to install Extension:Highlight Links in Category on your wiki. You'll need to say the name of the category(s) you want to be colored, and the name of the CSS class you want that category to have. And then add some rules for those classes to your Common.css page. Look for a.trope on our Mediawiki:Common.css page for how we style it.

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