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== Ashera the lazy ==

** It's simply not a big enough conflict. Two countries fighting each other? It's happened quite a few times before FE9. FE10 has ''all but one nation in a world war''. Big difference.

*** It's also implied throughout the game that if Kurthnaga hadn't gotten involved with the war, Yune and Ashera wouldn't have woken up (because ALL the countries needed to take a side in the war). I believe Dheginsea even mentions something along those lines at one point to explain why Goldoa never gets involved.

** I don't remember there being any rule about whether or not every country needed to be involved in a conflict. There needs to be a ton of chaos going around, though. In Radiant Dawn, there were more wars, they went on for longer periods of time, and Begnion's entire army was fighting, as opposed to just part of it. Then you have the fact that Begnion treated Daein much worse than Daein treated Crimea, the Crimean rebels trying to overthrow the current government, the attempted genocide of the laguz, and Daein prolonging the war (for reasons unknown to all but a select few) by constantly getting in the way... People had a lot more to be stressed out about and enraged over in this game than in PoR.

 

* It's always bugged me that stave wielders can't cast spells on themselves. Why not? Is it some weird law of the church "no casting of spells upon the self for easy EXP"? It makes no sense, especially when stave-wielders would benefit the most from casting spells on themselves, because their injuries are often more serious than others.

** I imagine it'd be kind of hard to wave a magical staff at yourself in the proper fashion.

 

 

== Blood Pacts; endless sources of head scratching ==

* This is much, much closer to [[Fridge Logic]] than a Headscratcher, but I'm trying to wrap my head around exactly who would be magically bound by a Blood Pact (i.e. the citizens, not the actual pactmakers) and how they would be bound. It would absolutely have to involve a person's genetics and heritage [[Loophole Abuse|to avoid an extremely cheap copout]] such as "Okay, today we're changing the country's name so that we are all not citizens of X anymore." or "Today, I'm officially dissolving the country of X. Call yourselves whatever you want, go to other countries, etc." I would also imagine that it would not simply involve killing everyone who happened to be within that country's boundaries in order to avoid killing innocent foreigners and/or the king/queen from merely evacuating everyone to safety. So, wouldn't the blood pact then affect everyone on the continent that was born of Daein blood? Which would naturally include people like Ike and Mist (full-blooded Daein) and Soren (half)?

 

== Maybe he's a distant relative of Samus? ==

* In FE 10 why did NoA change Brad to Aran, aside from the fact that it creates a few issues because an Aran already existed in the seris (one that would appear in the next english released game no less) but Brad is a name that is common in English!

** English names are chosen for Japanese game characters to make them sound foreign, exotic or mysterious - compare Terra from Final Fantasy VI, whose Japanese character name was Tina. Thus, when translating the game, often-times English-origin names are swapped out for names that are more foreign to the English audience, to maintain the intended effect.

**** What is this mysterious Fire Emblem 11 people keep talking about? A remake is not enough to justify a new number, people. Otherwise Final Fantasy would be on FF 1 Million by now.

***** Do you ''really'' want to hold up FF versioning as the standard? Can you imagine FE7 as FE6-2 or FE6 Ante?

*** Maybe it worked for Lekain because he THOUGHT he was a divine force.

*** I had the feeling that Riev could use Light magic because he was maintaining his faith by worshiping the Demon King.

** Also consider the fact that one character, Valtome, uses ''corrupted'' light magic.

** In part 4, it might be explainable ({{spoiler|having one half of Ashunera working with you might be good enough}}), but presumably they were using light magic before that point.

 

== Holy shit, a ghost! ==

** That we know of.

*** ''[[Squick|Ewwwww]]''.

*** Lugh and Ray were 14 in [[FE 6]], and Nino was 14 in [[FE 7]]. [[FE 6]] took place 20 years after [[FE 7]]. Therefore, Nino was 20 years old when she gave birth to Lugh and Ray. She HAD to survive at least six years past [[FE 7]].

 

== Elfire is delicious ==

* Nino's supports with Canas have her learning to read from Canas' "tomes". This is despite the fact that she can already cast Elfire when you recruit her. In a world where spells are cast from spellbooks. Referred to as "tomes" in-game. What, does spellcasting normally work by ripping out a magical page and eating it or something? (I suppose that would explain the finite durability...) Also, while Nino has already learned from Sonia at this point that she's not her actual mother, in the support conversations she inexplicably possesses a pendant with pictures of her real family. Which she was ripped away from as an infant. Er? I guess that must be Uncle Jan's doing...

 

 

 

== "Yer a wizard, Lilina" ==

** This isn't ''Genealogy of the Holy War''. Maybe it's recessive genes. Maybe she just had a talent for it, nothing genetic. With Florina as her mother, there could be a bit of inherited magicalness, if that's even necessary in this setting. A better question would be why is Wolt such a terrible archer when his parents are Rebecca and <s> Wil</s> <s> Sain</s> <s> Lowen</s>?

*** That's a bit harsh, don't you think? Wolt's more or less Dorothy's equal, albeit a bit weaker physically (just like Rebecca was to Wil).

*** Genetics determines potential and talent, but they still need to be worked on in order to yield results. Maybe he had a shitty archery teacher or maybe he slacked off.

** You're assuming that Hector's wife was an actual character in the game. For all we know he could have met someone completely unrelated to the game and married her. Granted most of the Fire Emblem games hint at pairings that produce offspring (Eliwood/Ninian, Rebecca/Wil etc) that isn't always the case for the lords.

*** Except for the part where Lyn so obviously can't get comfortable with the idea of being a Noble Girl and longs to return to the plains. If Hector/Lyn is "totally canon" she can't do that. It's not canon just because it's your favorite. (Also how did Wil/Rebecca make it onto the oh-so-obvious list? They don't have special talks or non-support scenes, and Wolt having Wil-hair could just be a coincidence)

**** This is Fire Emblem. There are no coincidences.

*** I'd berate you for forgetting about Echidna, but I usually forget about her too.

*** I'll have you know that my Amelia is a veritable goddess with an axe.

*** [[Fridge Brilliance]]: Remember Hector's support with Eliwood (I think it's the B support), where he has a vision of an older version of himself and Lilina? Also, if you play Hector's mode, he can sense Raven's hostility despite ''having no possible way of doing so''... unless Hector has magical potential that he never used.

*** But Almedha was still a dragon. Their seid magic surpasses even the herons.

 

== What, you wanted XP for that? ==

* Why is it that Thieves don't have any way to gain experience outside of battle? Battle isn't what they're built for; picking pockets and opening locks is. You'd think they'd get ''some'' XP for emptying chests or stealing from enemies, but...

** They do get experience from stealing (most if not all games, I believe). They probably don't get EXP from unlocking chests or doors because it doesn't require their skills or stats at all, whereas stealing requires the thief to be faster than the target, and, for some games, strong enough to filch the item in question.

 

== There isn't that much! ==

* What's up with saying Fire Emblem is obsessed with [[Brother-Sister Incest|incest]]? Cuz I'm not seeing it. The only ones that give very strong vibes are Raven/Priscilla and Eirika/Ephraim. All other FE sibs (Marth/Elice, Minerva/Michalis, Tethys/Ewan, Tana/Innes, Ike/Mist, Reyson/Leanne, Makalov/Marcia, etc.) have pretty normal sibling relationships. Okay, ''maybe'' Klein/Clarice skirted a bit close to it, but not enough to turn too many heads.

** How would Roy and Lilina be cousins? Eliwood and Hector don't become brothers just because you get them to A support. They become [[No Yay|close friends]].

*** They become cousins if you pair Eliwood with Fiora and Hector with Florina or Farina.

**** Um, no, that makes them in-laws, not cousins.

***** No, it makes them cousins. Remember? Fiora, Florina and Farina are all sisters.

*** Some people think that this is why combinations like Ike/Mist can't have normal supports in PoR, so IS could minimize the incest implications for once.

*** This troper can't help but have some respect for IS after they managed to make two of the potential pairings in the second half of FE4 simultaniosly half-sibling marriages and cousin marriages. This was done by making the mothers identical twins. They're even predestined.

********* Going by that logic means that no pairing in most the games is plausible to you because they are all open. [[FE 6]] has many pairings that aren't necessarily canon, you just know that they could have ended up either or, and it works. This is Fire Emblem, the reason they leave so many not stated is because they want you to interpret it. You are just pushing your own dogma on everyone. Acting like just because people are creating a pairing that you don't see makes them a pervert just means that you are being shallow and close minded, something you can't expect to be on a site like this. Even subtext such as the Sieglinde and Siegmund thing can be a big point for most people. You yourself are trying to play Word of God to everyone with a different opinion than you.

********** Woah, calm down you two. I can see valid point in both of the statements you are making (I think there is a tendency in modern culture to create unintended subtext, but at the same time that doesn't mean subtext wasn't necessarily there), but I would like to point something out that neither one of you seemed to mention. In my opinion, subtext of [[Brother-Sister Incest]] doesn't always mean that there is an actual physical relationship. Perhaps the two are in love with each other (note: by this I mean romantic love, not sibling love), but never acted on it because of the taboos associated with it. If you look at it this way, Eirika never getting married could provide evidence that they were in love with each other. That said, it doesn't mean that this is the case either. It's just evidence that could be seen that way if looked at from a certain perspective. [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|Please don't hit me...]]

 

 

 

== Just E10? ==

** Because it's told with mostly static sprites on a background with characters talking. Since there's no blood, actually sexually charged scenes etc. The ESRB isn't as offended. It's the same reason books get away with a crapload more then TV.

** What bugs me more about this is the fact that ''Radiant Dawn'' wasn't rated T but ''Path of Radiance'' WAS. ''Path of Radiance'' said ONE swear word in a hard to find place and made an ambiguous reference to alcoholism. ''Radiant Dawn'' said SEVERAL in CUTSCENES and made an explicit reference to alcoholism, plus all the premarital sex and the sex jokes.

 

== Seriously, this thing is really confusing ==

** Naesala is the ''King of Kilvas''. The Blood Pact was signed by a former ''King of Kilvas''. I suspect that as far as Blood Pact magic is concerned, it basically makes them the same person. It fits in with the themes of 'rightful king' of RD.

*** But if they essentially counted as the same, then he ''definately'' shouldn't have counted as a third party, and his killing Lekain shouldn't have allowed him to destroy the pact.

 

== Tellius is just full of these, isn't it? ==

** Ashera was asleep before the first Beroc and Laguz couple mated so she wouldn't know about them, as for them losing thier powers it may be a sort of thing so the parents could raise the child on equal terms. Or the Goddess didn't run a debug script when creating the two.

*** Well it is made clear that even Ashunera is not a perfect being. It's also clearly stated by Yune that the beorc and laguz were not created. The Zunanma evolved on their own out of a desire to be like their goddess and then they continued to evolve from there into beorc and laguz. Aside from being the reason why the branded were a complete unknown to the goddesses, it's also the reason why there were beorc and laguz that weren't affected by Ashera's judgment in spite of being no where near Yune.

== Bendy metal ==

* HOW CAN A BOW MADE OUT OF METAL POSSIBLY BE FUNCTIONAL. IT CAN'T, INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS. IT CAN'T.

** Metal arrows.

*** For a bow to work, it has to snap back to it's original shape. Most metal either couldn't bend at all or wouldn't snap back.

** Here's my reasoning: the colors of the weapons during battle aside, the name refers to how advanced the weapon is. Bronze age, iron age, steel age, silver age; it indicates the level of sophistication required to create the weapon, which is why the damage increases and durability decreases.

** Okay, I just thought of something. Maybe the weapon classes aren't meant as literal descriptions, but rather are meant to represent the "rank" of the weapon. So a shitty sword gets called an "iron sword" while a much more refined and precise but also more delicate sword gets called a "silver sword." They get those names because the metals associated with them increase in value; silver is more expensive than steel, which is more expensive than iron. So the most expensive one gets called the silver weapon and the cheapest one gets called the iron weapon, regardless of the material they are made of.

*** Maybe the bows are magic.

**** Maybe the metal part is referring to what the arrows are tipped with, and the durability has to do with expense. Iron is cheap, so they can give you a parcel of 45, but silver's expensive so they have to divide those arrows into smaller parcels, so they can sell the same amount of them as iron-tipped arrows.

** But they LOOK fragile and gentle. Aside from that, nothing else matters when making a fictional world.

** In Japanese tradition, the heron represents life, tactfulness, and delicacy. In addition, a heron and a raven together is a common symbol of the [[Dragons Up the Yin-Yang|''taijitu'']]. Would ''you'' pass up that sort of symbolism? Besides, if you really want to get technical about it members of the hawk and falcon family are faster than members of the crow family, and lions, being pack hunters, have much less raw power on their lonesome than tigers.

 

 

** Well, technically, everyone is a soldier, Halberdiers don't actually use halberds, Knights aren't necessarily nobles, everyone you're using on any given map would be the Vanguard, Generals typically don't have any position of authority in your army, Snipers and Marksmen are really just archers, myrmidons have nothing to do with Greek mythology, Falcoknights don't ride falcons, Seraph Knights don't ride Seraphim, Dracolords aren't nobles either, and Micaiah was never a member of the clergy. Class names are just names, not a beat-all, end-all statement of profession.

*** The modern use of "myrmidons" (An unquestioning zealous follower) does however [[Blood Knight|describes a good chunk of the characters that belong to the class]]

 

 

*** The items are run on a quantum battery whose likelihood of decaying rises after each use

*** They're in too much of a rush to turn the pages and accidentally rip them out, voiding the warranty

** It's a runic system based on bound meaning and concepts intrinsically linked to the style of calligraphy used. The power of words, bound by the elements and linked to the page. The Mage acts as a catalyst, invoking with the power of the tongue their own energy, and drawing from about them the power needed to activate the runes, and so complete the spell.<br />Unfortunately, that requires controlling the energy and guiding it directly onto it's source - the pages, and while the runes are quite efficient, and the paper meticulously designed to harness that power, slight fluctuations and variations not only from the environment but also from the mage herself will inevitably cause the decay of the bonds linking the runes to the page.<br />That's why the books can only be used for so many times. It becomes unstable, and so extremely dangerous to wield properly when the bonds become loose. In order to guarantee their own safety, many mages also inscribe a failsafe rune to shunt the power from a dangerous fluctuation back in a circuit, which generally results in the destruction of the book, though the released energy is trapped by the same essence harnessing paper that it was released from, creating a complete circuit, but also rendering it worthless.

 

== Cheating is way worse than murder ==

* How come everyone here is always complaining about Beowolf cheating on Lachesis but have no problem with him being willing to betray and kill his friend to [[Punch Clock Hero|join the good guys]] after the player gives him enough money? Isn't murdering your own friend for money much worse then possibly cheating on one person?

 

== Lived by continuity errors ==

 

 

 

== Hey, where'd my sword go? ==

** Who knows? Maybe they just thought those two names both sounded cool. I doubt they were really going for mythical accuracy, after all.

 

 

== Because no one likes someone for leaving someone else who cheated on them ==

** I'm not completely sure on the topic myself, but most of it seems to stem from the translation of Beowulf and Lachesis' last conversation:

 

 

== He really gets around ==

** Probably because he's the only unit in that game to actually have a paired ending, but [[Kidanova]] seems to be used for any young person with a lot of suitors.

** That, and it's probably supposed to be a joke.