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Can also be used to crank [[Dramatic Irony]] [[Up to Eleven]]. |
Can also be used to crank [[Dramatic Irony]] [[Up to Eleven]]. |
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[[Historical Fiction]] is tied to this trope, since history ain't changing (unless the author pulls a [[ |
[[Historical Fiction]] is tied to this trope, since history ain't changing (unless the author pulls a [[Written By the Winners]] and claim that the events as portrayed in his work is what "really" happened). |
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Compare [[External Retcon]], where the audience is expected to be familiar with an entire ''existing'' story. |
Compare [[External Retcon]], where the audience is expected to be familiar with an entire ''existing'' story. |
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* ''[[Baccano (Light Novel)|Baccano]]'' does this by showing the ''very'' spoileriffic aftermath of the two main plots (i.e. {{spoiler|Firo and Luck becoming immortal, Ladd losing an arm and being thrown off the train, most of the focus characters surviving the Flying Pussyfoot massacre, Chane accepting Claire's proposal}}) in the very first episode. The trick is that it's [[Jigsaw Puzzle Plot|entirely out of context and makes no sense]] until you get through the series at least once, and that the ''real'' wham moments (such as {{spoiler|the Rail Tracer being Claire}}) are left for the rest of the show. |
* ''[[Baccano (Light Novel)|Baccano]]'' does this by showing the ''very'' spoileriffic aftermath of the two main plots (i.e. {{spoiler|Firo and Luck becoming immortal, Ladd losing an arm and being thrown off the train, most of the focus characters surviving the Flying Pussyfoot massacre, Chane accepting Claire's proposal}}) in the very first episode. The trick is that it's [[Jigsaw Puzzle Plot|entirely out of context and makes no sense]] until you get through the series at least once, and that the ''real'' wham moments (such as {{spoiler|the Rail Tracer being Claire}}) are left for the rest of the show. |
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** {{spoiler|Unless you read the first episode credits, of course.}} |
** {{spoiler|Unless you read the first episode credits, of course.}} |
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* The ''[[Ga Rei Zero]]'' anime does this as part of its three starting [[Wham Episode|Wham Episodes]]. In the first episode {{spoiler|that entire squad is revealed to be made entirely of [[Dead Star Walking|Dead Stars Walking]], which sets the tone but doesn't actually invoke this trope}}. In the ''second'' {{spoiler|we meet the ''real'' cast, including familiar faces from the ''[[Ga Rei]]'' manga... [[Kill'Em All|whom Yomi proceeds to kill]]}}. Finally, with the third {{spoiler|we flashback to the first time Yomi and Kagura meet, at the latter's mother's funeral, and the anime continues from there, leading up to Yomi's [[Start of Darkness]]}}. The viewer knows it's going to happen, knows it's going to be ''very'' painful ([[Tear Jerker|and it is]]), and the tension is derived in three ways: firstly, {{spoiler|seeing how Yomi went insane}}, secondly, {{spoiler|a desire to see which of the many sympathetic characters we see [[Anyone Can Die|manage to live to the end of it]]}} and thirdly, {{spoiler|whether or not Yomi can overcome the [[More Than Mind Control]] once the series catches up to the second episode}}. It's one hell of a ride. |
* The ''[[Ga Rei Zero]]'' anime does this as part of its three starting [[Wham! Episode|Wham Episodes]]. In the first episode {{spoiler|that entire squad is revealed to be made entirely of [[Dead Star Walking|Dead Stars Walking]], which sets the tone but doesn't actually invoke this trope}}. In the ''second'' {{spoiler|we meet the ''real'' cast, including familiar faces from the ''[[Ga Rei]]'' manga... [[Kill'Em All|whom Yomi proceeds to kill]]}}. Finally, with the third {{spoiler|we flashback to the first time Yomi and Kagura meet, at the latter's mother's funeral, and the anime continues from there, leading up to Yomi's [[Start of Darkness]]}}. The viewer knows it's going to happen, knows it's going to be ''very'' painful ([[Tear Jerker|and it is]]), and the tension is derived in three ways: firstly, {{spoiler|seeing how Yomi went insane}}, secondly, {{spoiler|a desire to see which of the many sympathetic characters we see [[Anyone Can Die|manage to live to the end of it]]}} and thirdly, {{spoiler|whether or not Yomi can overcome the [[More Than Mind Control]] once the series catches up to the second episode}}. It's one hell of a ride. |
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* [[Akagi]] having never lost was clearly established in the author's earlier manga [[Ten (Anime)|Ten]]. So in the Akagi it was obvious that he would have to win every single game making him an [[Invincible Hero]] |
* [[Akagi]] having never lost was clearly established in the author's earlier manga [[Ten (Anime)|Ten]]. So in the Akagi it was obvious that he would have to win every single game making him an [[Invincible Hero]] |
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* ''[[Shaman King]]'' practically revolves around one of these, given that Hiroyuki Takei practically tells the audience {{spoiler|Hao will become the Shaman King. There is no one in the series capable of standing up to him.}} He still does an amazing job of revealing backstories and setting up the ending on the way there. |
* ''[[Shaman King]]'' practically revolves around one of these, given that Hiroyuki Takei practically tells the audience {{spoiler|Hao will become the Shaman King. There is no one in the series capable of standing up to him.}} He still does an amazing job of revealing backstories and setting up the ending on the way there. |
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* ''[[Smallville (TV)|Smallville]]'' is able to maintain sufficient drama, suspense, and [[Shipping]] even though we already know that Clark becomes [[Superman]] and ends up with Lois Lane. |
* ''[[Smallville (TV)|Smallville]]'' is able to maintain sufficient drama, suspense, and [[Shipping]] even though we already know that Clark becomes [[Superman]] and ends up with Lois Lane. |
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** Clark's friendship with [[Lex Luthor]] is actually more compelling given that we know they become mortal enemies later in life. |
** Clark's friendship with [[Lex Luthor]] is actually more compelling given that we know they become mortal enemies later in life. |
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* ''[[Babylon 5]]'' does this for nearly every plot line. In the first episode, we learn how G'Kar and Londo Mollari die (but the context is [[Prophecy Twist|nothing like what we expect]]). The end of {{spoiler|The Shadow War}} is given a season before it actually happens. Half way through the first season we see {{spoiler|the eventual destruction of Babylon 5 (the space station)}}. And of course there's {{spoiler|"[[Arc Words|If you go to Z'ha'dum you will die]]"}}. |
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* ''[[Columbo (TV)|Columbo]]'', the TV mystery series starring the iconic Peter Falk character, is a beautiful example of how this trope can generate narrative tension. Famously described as not a whodunnit but a '[[Reverse Whodunnit|howcatchem]]', the show devoted the opening fifteen minutes or so of each episode to showing the murderer set up and execute their version of the perfect crime. From there we follow Columbo's slow, methodical attempts to unravel it, picking up subtle physical clues and using them to play mind games with the suspect. |
* ''[[Columbo (TV)|Columbo]]'', the TV mystery series starring the iconic Peter Falk character, is a beautiful example of how this trope can generate narrative tension. Famously described as not a whodunnit but a '[[Reverse Whodunnit|howcatchem]]', the show devoted the opening fifteen minutes or so of each episode to showing the murderer set up and execute their version of the perfect crime. From there we follow Columbo's slow, methodical attempts to unravel it, picking up subtle physical clues and using them to play mind games with the suspect. |
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** Similarly, [[Murder She Wrote]] often shows the killer at the beginning of the episode, leaving the rest of the episode to show how Jessica goes about catching the killer. |
** Similarly, [[Murder She Wrote]] often shows the killer at the beginning of the episode, leaving the rest of the episode to show how Jessica goes about catching the killer. |
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* Most episodes of the last several seasons of ''[[Monk (TV)|Monk]]'' are better classified as "whydunits," as we see the crime, but it doesn't seem to make any sense, such as the time when a millionaire tries to mug a middle class man at gunpoint. The police want to clear the crime from the books, because all the facts seem in order, and there are no loose ends, but Monk senses that someone must be getting away with something. |
* Most episodes of the last several seasons of ''[[Monk (TV)|Monk]]'' are better classified as "whydunits," as we see the crime, but it doesn't seem to make any sense, such as the time when a millionaire tries to mug a middle class man at gunpoint. The police want to clear the crime from the books, because all the facts seem in order, and there are no loose ends, but Monk senses that someone must be getting away with something. |
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** Many episodes of ''[[Law Order Criminal Intent]]'' are whydunits, although while there is usually a bit of black humor, or wackiness in the ''[[Monk (TV)|Monk]]'' crimes, the ''CI'' crimes are always played straight. The "whydunit" is just from the audience's point of view. The detectives still have the whole case to solve. It's like the ''Columbo'' model, with the extra tension of wondering why the crime was committed in the first place. The crimes on ''Columbo'' usually had obvious motives, like monetary gain, when expensive jewels were stolen. |
** Many episodes of ''[[Law Order Criminal Intent]]'' are whydunits, although while there is usually a bit of black humor, or wackiness in the ''[[Monk (TV)|Monk]]'' crimes, the ''CI'' crimes are always played straight. The "whydunit" is just from the audience's point of view. The detectives still have the whole case to solve. It's like the ''Columbo'' model, with the extra tension of wondering why the crime was committed in the first place. The crimes on ''Columbo'' usually had obvious motives, like monetary gain, when expensive jewels were stolen. |
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* At the beginning of the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' episode "Doomsday", Rose Tyler's voiceover says, "This is the story of how I died." Of course it turns out that {{spoiler|she's only considered dead in our world because she's trapped, and quite alive, in an alternative dimension with no apparent way back to this one...except that she appears in the first episode of}} series 4, {{spoiler|before disappearing in a flash of light, and comes back later in the season.}} |
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** Also any time they go back to famous events, Pompeii, the Reign of Terror, Madame du Pompadour, World War I, World War II, etc., the world doesn't end -- big shock. |
** Also any time they go back to famous events, Pompeii, the Reign of Terror, Madame du Pompadour, World War I, World War II, etc., the world doesn't end -- big shock. |
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*** Doctor Who's series 3 episode "Utopia" reveals that another Time Lord survived the Time War {{spoiler|by becoming human}}. The Doctor's too busy trying to save the last of humanity to go see him, however, so he grills Martha for details. On initial viewings, the Doctor comes off as alternately hurried and impatient with Martha's slow dribbling of details. On subsequent viewings, Tennant's performance comes off like he knows ''exactly'' who it is, based on the intelligence and resourcefulness involved (implied greater than the Doctor's), and the Doctor's simply panicking and desperate that he hasn't unwittingly left an innocent woman and a time machine alone with {{spoiler|the Master,}} just as he already knows that it's too late. He's not even surprised to see what's waiting for him in the lab. |
*** Doctor Who's series 3 episode "Utopia" reveals that another Time Lord survived the Time War {{spoiler|by becoming human}}. The Doctor's too busy trying to save the last of humanity to go see him, however, so he grills Martha for details. On initial viewings, the Doctor comes off as alternately hurried and impatient with Martha's slow dribbling of details. On subsequent viewings, Tennant's performance comes off like he knows ''exactly'' who it is, based on the intelligence and resourcefulness involved (implied greater than the Doctor's), and the Doctor's simply panicking and desperate that he hasn't unwittingly left an innocent woman and a time machine alone with {{spoiler|the Master,}} just as he already knows that it's too late. He's not even surprised to see what's waiting for him in the lab. |
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** Subverted hard with {{spoiler|young William Adama}}. [[Contractual Immortality]], my ass. |
** Subverted hard with {{spoiler|young William Adama}}. [[Contractual Immortality]], my ass. |
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* In ''[[Mad Men (TV)|Mad Men]]'', the main characters work on an ad campaign for Richard Nixon's campaign for the presidency (against John Kennedy.) We know it won't work, but it's still very interesting. However, the trope is played with a bit as the audience is initially led to believe that their client, described as a "young, handsome navy hero", is Kennedy. |
* In ''[[Mad Men (TV)|Mad Men]]'', the main characters work on an ad campaign for Richard Nixon's campaign for the presidency (against John Kennedy.) We know it won't work, but it's still very interesting. However, the trope is played with a bit as the audience is initially led to believe that their client, described as a "young, handsome navy hero", is Kennedy. |
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* ''[[Dollhouse]]'' does this at the end of the season one with the episode "Epitaph One," a [[Flash Forward]] ten years when imprinting technology has caused what basically amounts to a [[Zombie Apocalypse]] with [[Brainwashed and Crazy]] killers instead of corpses. [[Played With]] because [[Word of God]] said the [[How We Got Here|the imprinted memories of how this happened]] [[Unreliable Narrator|may not be accurate]]. This plotline was picked up and completed with the last episode of the second season/series. |
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* ''[[Power Rangers RPM]]'' features this, due to the [[Power Rangers]] metaseries' [[Anachronic Order]]. While we don't know when it takes place besides that its sometime in the first half of the 21st century, we've seen the year [[Power Rangers Time Force|3000]], where humanity is neither extinct nor enslaved by killer robots. |
* ''[[Power Rangers RPM]]'' features this, due to the [[Power Rangers]] metaseries' [[Anachronic Order]]. While we don't know when it takes place besides that its sometime in the first half of the 21st century, we've seen the year [[Power Rangers Time Force|3000]], where humanity is neither extinct nor enslaved by killer robots. |
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** Attempted aversion by the creators asserting that it's a separate continuity (so the year 3000 of ''Time Force'' is not necessarily the year 3000 of ''RPM'') but the fans are determined to ignore this, since 1) they like continuity and 2) every time a series has been presented as a separate continuity, it's eventually been tied into the main continuity anyway, and there's no reason to believe this one will be different. |
** Attempted aversion by the creators asserting that it's a separate continuity (so the year 3000 of ''Time Force'' is not necessarily the year 3000 of ''RPM'') but the fans are determined to ignore this, since 1) they like continuity and 2) every time a series has been presented as a separate continuity, it's eventually been tied into the main continuity anyway, and there's no reason to believe this one will be different. |
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== Philosophy == |
== Philosophy == |
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* [[wikipedia:Determinism|Determinism]] |
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* Many Marxist thinkers (including the leaders of the Russian Revolution) believe in a kind of historical determinism which posits an inevitable progression from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. Interestingly enough, Karl Marx himself never supported this view of history, any more than he supported genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships. |
* Many Marxist thinkers (including the leaders of the Russian Revolution) believe in a kind of historical determinism which posits an inevitable progression from feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. Interestingly enough, Karl Marx himself never supported this view of history, any more than he supported genocidal, totalitarian dictatorships. |
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** To make things worse, the 4.3 patch added the "End Times" dungeon where you go to the [[Bad Future]] to defeat the leader of the infinite dragonflight... the corrupted Nozdormu himself who ''knows that he's screwed'' but must ''defeat his insane self anyway'' to preserve the future from his upcoming madness. Anyone taking bets that the other members of the bronze flight are equally aware of their eventual corruption? |
** To make things worse, the 4.3 patch added the "End Times" dungeon where you go to the [[Bad Future]] to defeat the leader of the infinite dragonflight... the corrupted Nozdormu himself who ''knows that he's screwed'' but must ''defeat his insane self anyway'' to preserve the future from his upcoming madness. Anyone taking bets that the other members of the bronze flight are equally aware of their eventual corruption? |
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* In ''[[Eternal Sonata]]'', it was a given that Chopin was going to die. Players were told on the game's cover that he's on his deathbed. The drama was not in whether he would die but how he would die, peacefully or in turmoil, and what the dream represented for him. |
* In ''[[Eternal Sonata]]'', it was a given that Chopin was going to die. Players were told on the game's cover that he's on his deathbed. The drama was not in whether he would die but how he would die, peacefully or in turmoil, and what the dream represented for him. |
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* The ''[[Assassin's Creed]]'' series is [[Historical Fiction]] with a healthy dose of [[ |
* The ''[[Assassin's Creed]]'' series is [[Historical Fiction]] with a healthy dose of [[Written By the Winners]], so it is inevitable that the memories that are being relived of various 13th and 16th century historical figures will have outcomes that don't differ too much from history. |
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** The premise of the game -- that these stories are being viewed through the [[Genetic Memory]] of Altaïr and Ezio's descendants -- mandates that the main characters will survive past the events depicted ''and'' will have children whose bloodlines converge in Desmond Miles. <ref>Interestingly, Altaïr marries and has children after the events of the first game, and the second game makes it clear that Desmond is descended from his firstborn son, but ''Revelations'' requires that later memories of him be explored. This is done by means of having Altaïr use the Apple of Eden to store his own memories in keys which Ezio later recovers and views.</ref> |
** The premise of the game -- that these stories are being viewed through the [[Genetic Memory]] of Altaïr and Ezio's descendants -- mandates that the main characters will survive past the events depicted ''and'' will have children whose bloodlines converge in Desmond Miles. <ref>Interestingly, Altaïr marries and has children after the events of the first game, and the second game makes it clear that Desmond is descended from his firstborn son, but ''Revelations'' requires that later memories of him be explored. This is done by means of having Altaïr use the Apple of Eden to store his own memories in keys which Ezio later recovers and views.</ref> |
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** In the modern-day setting, 2012, Abstergo is the [[Mega Corp]] that evolved from the [[The Knights Templar|Templars]] that Altaïr and Ezio battle. We also know that the Templars reign virtually unopposed throughout much of modern history. So while these two Assassins may do great things in their time, their achievements are doomed to be remembered only in secret among their descendants. |
** In the modern-day setting, 2012, Abstergo is the [[Mega Corp]] that evolved from the [[The Knights Templar|Templars]] that Altaïr and Ezio battle. We also know that the Templars reign virtually unopposed throughout much of modern history. So while these two Assassins may do great things in their time, their achievements are doomed to be remembered only in secret among their descendants. |
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** In ''[[Assassin's Creed II (Video Game)|Assassin's Creed II]]'', the [[Big Bad]], Rodrigo Borgia, must survive to become Pope, therefore Ezio finds an excuse not to kill him. This is [[Fore Shadowed]] in the game by having Shaun tell Desmond about his historical research on the subject prior to Desmond viewing the final memory sequence. |
** In ''[[Assassin's Creed II (Video Game)|Assassin's Creed II]]'', the [[Big Bad]], Rodrigo Borgia, must survive to become Pope, therefore Ezio finds an excuse not to kill him. This is [[Fore Shadowed]] in the game by having Shaun tell Desmond about his historical research on the subject prior to Desmond viewing the final memory sequence. |
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** In ''[[Assassin's Creed Brotherhood (Video Game)|Assassin's Creed Brotherhood]]'', Ezio destroys a number of mechanical inventions of Leonardo Da Vinci, such as a tank, a machine gun, and a bomb-equipped glider. We all know that he merely delays their coming, not prevents it. Also, the [[Big Bad]]'s manner of death is a matter of historical record, so Ezio foregoes his normal assassination method in favor of {{spoiler|throwing him off a wall}}. |
** In ''[[Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Video Game)|Assassin's Creed Brotherhood]]'', Ezio destroys a number of mechanical inventions of Leonardo Da Vinci, such as a tank, a machine gun, and a bomb-equipped glider. We all know that he merely delays their coming, not prevents it. Also, the [[Big Bad]]'s manner of death is a matter of historical record, so Ezio foregoes his normal assassination method in favor of {{spoiler|throwing him off a wall}}. |
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* ''[[Resident Evil Outbreak]]'' takes place during the period of time visited in ''[[Resident Evil 2]]'' and ''[[Resident Evil 3|3]]''. Raccoon City got nuked at the end of ''3''. So the odds are ''greatly'' stacked against the playable survivors, with [[Canon]] [[Gaiden Game|doing nothing]] to establish anybody's survival. |
* ''[[Resident Evil Outbreak]]'' takes place during the period of time visited in ''[[Resident Evil 2]]'' and ''[[Resident Evil 3|3]]''. Raccoon City got nuked at the end of ''3''. So the odds are ''greatly'' stacked against the playable survivors, with [[Canon]] [[Gaiden Game|doing nothing]] to establish anybody's survival. |
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* Surprisingly subverted in most ''[[Star Wars]]'' games. The conclusion is forgone, since they're all sidequels, interquels, and prequels... but you can always play towards the non-canonical Dark Side ending anyway, where the [[Foregone Conclusion]] doesn't happen. |
* Surprisingly subverted in most ''[[Star Wars]]'' games. The conclusion is forgone, since they're all sidequels, interquels, and prequels... but you can always play towards the non-canonical Dark Side ending anyway, where the [[Foregone Conclusion]] doesn't happen. |
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* In most [[Licensed Game|games that are based on movies]], it can be safely assumed that the game's canonical ending will be the same (or at least, very similar to) the ending of the movie it is based on. Some games partially subvert this by giving the player the option to play as the movie's villain(s), usually creating a non-canonical ending in which the villains win. |
* In most [[Licensed Game|games that are based on movies]], it can be safely assumed that the game's canonical ending will be the same (or at least, very similar to) the ending of the movie it is based on. Some games partially subvert this by giving the player the option to play as the movie's villain(s), usually creating a non-canonical ending in which the villains win. |
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* Anyone even remotely familiar with ''Zelda''-series history knows a little bit about the Master Sword and its role as "The Sword of Evil's Bane." So when they play ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Video Game)|The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'' and start to see the eponymous sword beginning to look more and more like that legendary blue-hilted blade, they can likely fill in the blanks before they reach the end. |
* Anyone even remotely familiar with ''Zelda''-series history knows a little bit about the Master Sword and its role as "The Sword of Evil's Bane." So when they play ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Video Game)|The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'' and start to see the eponymous sword beginning to look more and more like that legendary blue-hilted blade, they can likely fill in the blanks before they reach the end. |
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** An outdated but more obvious one - anyone who played the older games would have realized things weren't going to well for Link and Princess Zelda in ''[[The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time (Video Game)|The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time]]''. |
** An outdated but more obvious one - anyone who played the older games would have realized things weren't going to well for Link and Princess Zelda in ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Video Game)|The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time]]''. |
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* [[Agarest Senki]] Zero star Seighart and his son Leonis. Both of them are Leonhardt's ancestors so, of course, Leonis cannot die {{spoiler|so it's obvious the normal ending is non-canon.}} |
* [[Agarest Senki]] Zero star Seighart and his son Leonis. Both of them are Leonhardt's ancestors so, of course, Leonis cannot die {{spoiler|so it's obvious the normal ending is non-canon.}} |
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* ''Dreamfall: [[The Longest Journey]]'' opens with Zoe in a coma, so you know you're getting set up for a [[Downer Ending]]. |
* ''Dreamfall: [[The Longest Journey]]'' opens with Zoe in a coma, so you know you're getting set up for a [[Downer Ending]]. |
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** In "Homer's Paternity Coot" Abe unsurprisingly turns out to be Homer's real father after all. |
** In "Homer's Paternity Coot" Abe unsurprisingly turns out to be Homer's real father after all. |
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* A recent ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'' episode is entitled "Candace Gets Busted". Two guesses as to what happens at the end. |
* A recent ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'' episode is entitled "Candace Gets Busted". Two guesses as to what happens at the end. |
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* ''[[Young Justice (Animation)|Young Justice]]'': [[Aquaman (Comic Book)|Aquaman]]'s younger brother Orm makes an appearance and seems to be a devoted servant to the king and an all-around nice guy. [ |
* ''[[Young Justice (Animation)|Young Justice]]'': [[Aquaman (Comic Book)|Aquaman]]'s younger brother Orm makes an appearance and seems to be a devoted servant to the king and an all-around nice guy. [[wikipedia:Ocean Master|This won't end well]]. |
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* For ''[[Transformers Prime]]'', everyone is waiting for [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime Optimus Prime to die] and [[Death Is Cheap|come back to life]], just to get it over with. |
* For ''[[Transformers Prime]]'', everyone is waiting for [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime Optimus Prime to die] and [[Death Is Cheap|come back to life]], just to get it over with. |
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** {{spoiler|There's a twist this time. Since a dead character can't come back in this series, they killed Prime metaphorically. Unleashing the Matrix on Unicron took away all of his memories of being Optimus Prime. He is now Orion Pax, and has joined the Decepticons via Megatron taking advantage of his current state. Now we're waiting to see how they "ressurect" him this time.}} |
** {{spoiler|There's a twist this time. Since a dead character can't come back in this series, they killed Prime metaphorically. Unleashing the Matrix on Unicron took away all of his memories of being Optimus Prime. He is now Orion Pax, and has joined the Decepticons via Megatron taking advantage of his current state. Now we're waiting to see how they "ressurect" him this time.}} |
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