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* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: This Princess Luna is an artist and free spirit who dislikes nobility.
* [[Alternative Character Interpretation]]: This Princess Luna is an artist and free spirit who dislikes nobility.
** Plays a key role in-universe: the more politically-minded Celestia prefers living among her subjects as a guiding light. Luna sees this as stifling and fears her sister is abusing her powers as a goddess to ''forcefully'' rule over her subjects -- a tyrant suppressing their growth and independence so that she can control them eternally.
** Plays a key role in-universe: the more politically-minded Celestia prefers living among her subjects as a guiding light. Luna sees this as stifling and fears her sister is abusing her powers as a goddess to ''forcefully'' rule over her subjects -- a tyrant suppressing their growth and independence so that she can control them eternally.
** However, trying to balance out the story ends up making Luna come off more as an [[Its All About Me]] [[Spoiled Brat]].
** However, trying to balance out the story ends up making Luna come off more as an [[It's All About Me]] [[Spoiled Brat]].
*** In-universe, Luna is starting to realize this might really be the case.
*** In-universe, Luna is starting to realize this might really be the case.
** The Author spent ''way'' too much effort trying to make Canon Luna fit into his Luna, most told him he was trying too hard.
** The Author spent ''way'' too much effort trying to make Canon Luna fit into his Luna, most told him he was trying too hard.
** Captain Braveheart comes off as a [[Complete Monster]] for the reasons outlined below. Later chapters have delved into his motivations for this behavior to paint him as a [[Well Intentioned Extremist]], and insists he is a '''hero''' -- at least, in the eyes of his soldiers.
** Captain Braveheart comes off as a [[Complete Monster]] for the reasons outlined below. Later chapters have delved into his motivations for this behavior to paint him as a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]], and insists he is a '''hero''' -- at least, in the eyes of his soldiers.
** Recently the author had one with the recent Hearth's Warming play, stating that the real history would have played out more like real life European Settlers and Native Americans, ignoring the fact that just would have resulted in [[Eldritch Abomination|Windigos]] showing up again.
** Recently the author had one with the recent Hearth's Warming play, stating that the real history would have played out more like real life European Settlers and Native Americans, ignoring the fact that just would have resulted in [[Eldritch Abomination|Windigos]] showing up again.
** The author's Fluttershy “really, really, really hates dragons”.
** The author's Fluttershy “really, really, really hates dragons”.
* [[Authors Saving Throw]]: Still rolling one, but the writer is trying to fix a lot of major problems, namely the sexist undertones and how unbalanced the story's viewpoint is ([[Informed Attribute|it's supposed to be about Celestia]]) time will only tell if it fixes things, or makes things worse.
* [[Author's Saving Throw]]: Still rolling one, but the writer is trying to fix a lot of major problems, namely the sexist undertones and how unbalanced the story's viewpoint is ([[Informed Attribute|it's supposed to be about Celestia]]) time will only tell if it fixes things, or makes things worse.
** Sadly so far the writer decided not to do anything, opting for a rewrite of the notes page explaining the flaws. The sad part being due to a minor *[[Creator Breakdown]] (due to backlash about said flaws) it comes off as rather meanspirited and insulting (which of course is leading to ''more'' backlash).
** Sadly so far the writer decided not to do anything, opting for a rewrite of the notes page explaining the flaws. The sad part being due to a minor *[[Creator Breakdown]] (due to backlash about said flaws) it comes off as rather meanspirited and insulting (which of course is leading to ''more'' backlash).
*** The author's notes have since been removed, as it was a violation of one of FanFiction.Net's few rules.
*** The author's notes have since been removed, as it was a violation of one of FanFiction.Net's few rules.
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*** Also everyone sees Luna as one {{spoiler|Then again, the Dragon Ajax tells her that her actions only caused a bloody civil war, and she's been acting ever since her return as though she were in the right doesn't help.}}
*** Also everyone sees Luna as one {{spoiler|Then again, the Dragon Ajax tells her that her actions only caused a bloody civil war, and she's been acting ever since her return as though she were in the right doesn't help.}}
*** Luna was revealed to not even have been involved in anything that occured during the civil war however, and much of her perception as a monster is the result of {{spoiler|Celestia's}} smear campaign.
*** Luna was revealed to not even have been involved in anything that occured during the civil war however, and much of her perception as a monster is the result of {{spoiler|Celestia's}} smear campaign.
* [[Creators Pet]]:
* [[Creator's Pet]]:
** Despite being the antagonist, Captain Braveheart becomes this in later chapters, as the author has defended his callous behavior in [[Word of God|his notes]] and dedicated Chapter 8 to trying to change the audience's perception of him (it didn't).
** Despite being the antagonist, Captain Braveheart becomes this in later chapters, as the author has defended his callous behavior in [[Word of God|his notes]] and dedicated Chapter 8 to trying to change the audience's perception of him (it didn't).
*** The Author "defends" Braveheart by not only calling Braveheart a hypocrite, but also describing him as a bully who insults and picks on others to feel better about himself. It would seem the author doesn't understand that these aren't sympathetic traits.
*** The Author "defends" Braveheart by not only calling Braveheart a hypocrite, but also describing him as a bully who insults and picks on others to feel better about himself. It would seem the author doesn't understand that these aren't sympathetic traits.
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** Season 2 shows that 95% of the things that really threaten the lands are things that can't be harmed/beaten by blunt force, making the recruiting Aesop about ponies like Braveheart being needed kinda silly.
** Season 2 shows that 95% of the things that really threaten the lands are things that can't be harmed/beaten by blunt force, making the recruiting Aesop about ponies like Braveheart being needed kinda silly.
* [[Fantastic Racism]]: The pegasus Braveheart dislikes unicorns.
* [[Fantastic Racism]]: The pegasus Braveheart dislikes unicorns.
* [[Idiot Plot]]: Celestia's historical revision relied on Luna never reading any accounts of her banishment, nobody ever talking about Nightmare Moon again, and Luna never noticing the castle's ''tapestries and stained glass windows portraying the falsified version of events''. [[What an Idiot|It took her a year to figure it out]].
* [[Idiot Plot]]: Celestia's historical revision relied on Luna never reading any accounts of her banishment, nobody ever talking about Nightmare Moon again, and Luna never noticing the castle's ''tapestries and stained glass windows portraying the falsified version of events''. [[What an Idiot!|It took her a year to figure it out]].
** Given the author's previous attempts at squaring the fic with canon, it would probably be entertaining to see the rationale used to justify Luna's participation in the Halloween-analogue built around Nightmare Moon.
** Given the author's previous attempts at squaring the fic with canon, it would probably be entertaining to see the rationale used to justify Luna's participation in the Halloween-analogue built around Nightmare Moon.
* [[Informed Ability]]: The story attempts to give us [[Ron the Death Eater|a darker, more manipulative Celestia]] though [[Well Intentioned Extremist|one who wishes to protect Equestria]] while making Luna someone who tried to fight against her sister's rule but suffered from her own flaws. Unfortunately, this story has gained a great deal of notoriety for ''claiming'' to be a lot more even-handed than it actually ''is''. Celestia never gets to speak in her defense; she's absent after the first chapter. Luna's flaws are never presented for the reader, at least not without an immediate argument in her defense. As a result, it started coming across as a bog-standard Tyrant!Celestia story.
* [[Informed Ability]]: The story attempts to give us [[Ron the Death Eater|a darker, more manipulative Celestia]] though [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|one who wishes to protect Equestria]] while making Luna someone who tried to fight against her sister's rule but suffered from her own flaws. Unfortunately, this story has gained a great deal of notoriety for ''claiming'' to be a lot more even-handed than it actually ''is''. Celestia never gets to speak in her defense; she's absent after the first chapter. Luna's flaws are never presented for the reader, at least not without an immediate argument in her defense. As a result, it started coming across as a bog-standard Tyrant!Celestia story.
* [[Insane Troll Logic]]: Chapter Ten is built on it.
* [[Insane Troll Logic]]: Chapter Ten is built on it.
** On the way to the princesses' old castle, Applejack argues with Dash over her unreasonable loyalty to Luna, eventually deciding that she no longer trusts her judgment enough to continue following her sense of direction. She chooses one of the possible paths before them and leaves Dash behind, eventually finding that she has made the correct choice. As she celebrates, a sudden gust of wind snatches her hat away and deposits it at the entrance to a cave occupied by a giant spider. Somehow, this convinces her that she's been wrong all along, and that her view of Luna has been colored by irrational hatred and mortal hubris.
** On the way to the princesses' old castle, Applejack argues with Dash over her unreasonable loyalty to Luna, eventually deciding that she no longer trusts her judgment enough to continue following her sense of direction. She chooses one of the possible paths before them and leaves Dash behind, eventually finding that she has made the correct choice. As she celebrates, a sudden gust of wind snatches her hat away and deposits it at the entrance to a cave occupied by a giant spider. Somehow, this convinces her that she's been wrong all along, and that her view of Luna has been colored by irrational hatred and mortal hubris.
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** Then [[Fridge Logic]] kicks in when you remember {{spoiler|Rarity ''didn't'' get her cutie mark until seeing her outfits in the play, which was hours or even days ''after'' finding the gems, thus it really means "makes dresses dazzle like gems".}}
** Then [[Fridge Logic]] kicks in when you remember {{spoiler|Rarity ''didn't'' get her cutie mark until seeing her outfits in the play, which was hours or even days ''after'' finding the gems, thus it really means "makes dresses dazzle like gems".}}
* [[Ron the Death Eater]]: Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
* [[Ron the Death Eater]]: Despite the author's claims otherwise, this is one of the earliest and most vicious "Evil Celestia" fics.
* [[Spot Light Stealing Squad]]: A pretty decent chunk of the story focuses on Braveheart and his squad. He even more or less becomes the protagonist from the end of chapter 11 to the end of 13, {{spoiler|when he's killed off}}. Hoof, just take a look at how much the fics' trope articles mention him.
* [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad]]: A pretty decent chunk of the story focuses on Braveheart and his squad. He even more or less becomes the protagonist from the end of chapter 11 to the end of 13, {{spoiler|when he's killed off}}. Hoof, just take a look at how much the fics' trope articles mention him.
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]:
* [[Unfortunate Implications]]:
** The inclusion of the [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses]] incident detailed above has led to a somewhat [[Broken Base]] among readers. Some feel that transforming the female-heavy world of ''[[My Little Pony]]'' into a patriarchal society is unnecessary and/or makes very little sense and is filled with unfortunate implications. It doesn't help that the primary antagonist, Captain Braveheart, is a [[Straw Misogynist|misogynistic]] [[Jerkass]].
** The inclusion of the [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses]] incident detailed above has led to a somewhat [[Broken Base]] among readers. Some feel that transforming the female-heavy world of ''[[My Little Pony]]'' into a patriarchal society is unnecessary and/or makes very little sense and is filled with unfortunate implications. It doesn't help that the primary antagonist, Captain Braveheart, is a [[Straw Misogynist|misogynistic]] [[Jerkass]].
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* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: When it started the ideal of this story was rather new and interesting, however over time the Fandom started seeing as Celestia the more sympathetic of the two sisters. Now this is just another "Celestia is evil" stories.
* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: When it started the ideal of this story was rather new and interesting, however over time the Fandom started seeing as Celestia the more sympathetic of the two sisters. Now this is just another "Celestia is evil" stories.
** Speaking of which this version of Luna was once praised for being so different then other fandom version, now she's a borderline Scrappy.
** Speaking of which this version of Luna was once praised for being so different then other fandom version, now she's a borderline Scrappy.
* [[Villain Sue]]: Braveheart, whose abusive behavior wasn't [[Start of Darkness|kick-started]] by {{spoiler|the tragic rioting deaths caused by Nightmare Moon's return}}, merely 'justified' by it. So apparently witnessing a tragedy makes it okay to be a sexist racist who abuses his authority, makes false accusations, and threatens innocents with [[Cold Blooded Torture]] to 'bring them into line'.
* [[Villain Sue]]: Braveheart, whose abusive behavior wasn't [[Start of Darkness|kick-started]] by {{spoiler|the tragic rioting deaths caused by Nightmare Moon's return}}, merely 'justified' by it. So apparently witnessing a tragedy makes it okay to be a sexist racist who abuses his authority, makes false accusations, and threatens innocents with [[Cold-Blooded Torture]] to 'bring them into line'.
** [[Suetiful All Along]]: as of chapter 13
** [[Suetiful All Along]]: as of chapter 13
* [[Wangst]]: 90% of Luna's dialogue is her bitching about Celestia or Celestia's way of running things.
* [[Wangst]]: 90% of Luna's dialogue is her bitching about Celestia or Celestia's way of running things.
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