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== Does it bug anyone else how disproportionally skilled a fighter Elisa seems to be? ==

For someone who has no special training (at least that we know of), she's successfully taken on opponents that should logically be able to wipe the floor with her. One can fanwank that the Gargoyles have given her some training offscreen (although, I feel, not enough to take on Demona), that still doesn't explain the commandos in "Awakening", particularly since Xanatos isn't the type of guy to anything but the best. A subtle case of [[Power Creep Power Seep]]?

For someone who has no special training (at least that we know of), she's successfully taken on opponents that should logically be able to wipe the floor with her. One can fanwank that the Gargoyles have given her some training offscreen (although, I feel, not enough to take on Demona), that still doesn't explain the commandos in "Awakening", particularly since Xanatos isn't the type of guy to anything but the best. A subtle case of [[Power Creep, Power Seep]]?

* She's a cop. In Fiction World, police frequently get unreasonable amounts of combat training.

** In Real Life, some cops also study martial arts. Go to any good martial arts school and ask around. Plus, as a relatively petite female, it would have been the smart thing for Elisa to do.

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* Also worth remembering that the timeframe involved means Macbeth was raised Catholic, and suicide's a mortal sin. If he dies fighting Demona, at least, he can make an argument that he's stopping the immortal evil he unleashed. If he kills himself directly, he's giving in to despair. Not that this explains why Demona doesn't amputate his arms and legs.

== Xanatos jumping on the [[I Have You Now My Pretty|lovely-hostage-Angela]] villain bandwagon in "Cloud Fathers" ==

== Xanatos jumping on the [[I Have You Now, My Pretty|lovely-hostage-Angela]] villain bandwagon in "Cloud Fathers" ==

Forget the fact that he's married at the time and his genuine love for Fox was shown to be a very important part of his character. He is ''not the type of villain'' who lusts after or flirts with hot captives! Where did that come from?! (Before anyone says it was part of his act, this was at the point where he was explaining to Goliath and Angela that this was all just an act.)

* Well he did say this was his "first stab at cliche villainy", for what it's worth. Still, I imagine he was just messing with Goliath's head (remember, he was actually talking to Goliath at the time, not Angela). He may not be the kind of villain who flirts with hot captives but he's ''definitely'' the kind of villain who takes sadistic pleasure in the discomfort of his enemies.

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== Is Angela a [[Disney Princess]]? ==

I mean, Goliath is the lawful leader of the Manhattan Clan, and she is his biological daughter.

** Well, there's the whole raised communally thing. Plus, Gargoyles don't use bloodlines to select leaders. The leader chooses a younger gargoyle as his/her second-in-command to be groomed for leadership. And Angela doesn't have an [[I Want Song]]. Every Disney Princess has an I Want song! If she did, I could see her having something like Belle's Reprise before she leaves Avalon and for after she's been living in the real world for awhile, something like "God Help the Outcasts". Just replace "Gypsy" with "Gargoyle".

** Well, there's the whole raised communally thing. Plus, Gargoyles don't use bloodlines to select leaders. The leader chooses a younger gargoyle as his/her second-in-command to be groomed for leadership. And Angela doesn't have an [["I Want" Song]]. Every Disney Princess has an I Want song! If she did, I could see her having something like Belle's Reprise before she leaves Avalon and for after she's been living in the real world for awhile, something like "God Help the Outcasts". Just replace "Gypsy" with "Gargoyle".

*** Good point. Her song would've been great, maybe if they put it in shortly after she finds out she's Goliath's daughter and is angsting about wanting his love and affection.

*** Yeah, I could see that. In that case, her I Want Song would be something like "Proud of Your Boy", something like "I Can Go The Distance" and something like "Reflection".

*** That would be good. Her singing about trying to reconcile the Gargoyle Way with her human upbringing, and why she loves a man who is forced to withhold all fatherly love from her.

* Not until they add her to the line, nope. And that line seems to be more about movies than series, anyways.

* Hmmm...seems that you need at least three things to be a Disney Princess. The [[I Want Song]], an animal sidekick (Bronx?) and a [[Pimped Out Dress]]. Well, someone on [[Deviant ART]] made [http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=angela+dress+gargoyles#/dfg9d6 a good attempt.]

* Hmmm...seems that you need at least three things to be a Disney Princess. The [["I Want" Song]], an animal sidekick (Bronx?) and a [[Pimped-Out Dress]]. Well, someone on [[Deviant ART]] made [http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=angela+dress+gargoyles#/dfg9d6 a good attempt.]

== Just how tall is the Eyrie Building? ==

* Its height seems pretty variable, when compared against assorted NYC landmarks. This troper remembers at least one shot that showed it around half again as tall as the WTC Towers, but others seem to be all over the place. Is there at least a range of its maximum and minimum heights?

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== The Quarrymen luring the gargoyles into traps by relying on their heroic nature ==

* In one episode the Quarrymen have a woman pretend to be in danger in order to lure the gargoyles into a trap. But wasn't the whole point of the Quarrymen that they thought the gargoyles were evil?

** [[Nineteen Eighty Four|Doublethink]]

** [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|Doublethink]]

** TGC doesn't count.

*** Agreed. Castaway in the comics is much smarter, but also refuses to admit the gargoyles may be capable of good.

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== Why does the previous generation's Hunter use a laser handgun in the flashback to his fight against Demona in 1980? ==

* I thought it had been established that laser guns were new and expensive machines at the time the series takes place? The only explanation I can think of is that it was a very advanced, rare prototype that he somehow got a hold of to help him during his showdown (for all the good it did him).

** [[Family Friendly Firearms|How many times did a realistic gun actually shoot?]]

** [[Family-Friendly Firearms|How many times did a realistic gun actually shoot?]]

** Could also be a pistol that was censored into it. The only time a real gun can shoot real bullets is if it'll miss, which was averted once in the Extra Special Episode specifically about NOT using guns in the first place.