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== The Purple Piano Project ==

* Denying Sugar Motta

** Ok, there is no way you can be that un-life/genre savvy and of a jerk Will. Her dad bought your the three pianos, and you couldn't even consider letting her into Glee Club for maybe even dancing; I'm sure Britney would've been more than willing to help her, sure you'd have to deal with an untalented Rachel Berry amped Up To Eleven, but by denying her you screwed over the Glee club by losing your potential source of tons of money. I think the conflict of her being on the team would've been worth the conflict of a new Glee club starting up.

**** I did and do, in fact, believe she would have. I have every episode that follows this one to support that.

* "Self-diagnosed Asperger's." ''"Self-diagnosed Asperger's."'' '''"SELF-DIAGNOSED ASPERGER'S."'''

** I think the joke is that she's incredibly self-absorbed. I [[Department of Redundancy Department|self-diagnosed myself]] with Asperger's. Doesn't mean I have it, just means I have a few autistic tendencies. For all we know she took the same online test I did.

*** Sorry, gonna have to call you on that - online tests aren't good enough to say anything about having Asperger's or not. That takes a doctor. Actually, it takes a specifically trained doctor. Regular, run-of-the-mill docs aren't qualified to do it correctly. Same with autism and "autistic tendencies" - if you haven't had a legitimate medical professional tell you that's the case after a proper and thorough examination then don't claim it, it just adds to the misconception of behavioral problems that's so prevalent in society.

** She's basically a physical manifestation of an Internet troll. Only slightly prettier to look at.

*** Slightly? I'm perfectly okay with her staying on the show even if she's a bitch and her singing sucks just because she's hot.

* Finn complaining about Blaine joining the Glee Club. Seemed like there was a lot of resentment there for pretty much no good reason. When did Blaine give any indication that he wanted to make New Directions at all like the Warblers?

** Finn is hostile because [[The Ace|Blaine is a better singer and dancer.]] As "the leader" of Glee Club, he's feeling threatened that Blaine will be stealing his thunder (which is obviously the direction the show is looking to go.)

*** You say that as if being a better singer and dancer than Finn is actually difficult.

*** Or that Blaine taking over as "leader" of New Directions is a bad thing.

** Finn probably still remembers what happened the last time they let in a former member of a rival Glee club who was dating a member of New Directions. Plus, Finn probably picked up on the fact that Blaine is used to Warblers completely revolving around everything Blaine wants and does. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised he was the only one who actually vocalized such concerns.

** Since when did the Warblers do everything Blaine wanted? They're shown to have a pretty serious hierarchy and Blaine wasn't all that high up on it. They had to take votes on everything, and Kurt singing Blackbird unannounced was met with mild indignation if I recall correctly.

** He has tried the former, didn't work. The latter well, that probably won't work as Sue already has a media outlet of her own and as she told him earlier "Everyone loves a martyr." It would simply be far too easy for her to spin it around into a personal attack on her, giving her even more ammo to use against him.

* If Rachel and Kurt were so determined to attend Juilliard, how could they not know that it didn't have a musical theater program? I'd understand if they were just casually interesting, but they seemed pretty dedicated to the idea. Surely people like Rachel and Kurt would've tried to learn everything they could about it.

** More to the point, why couldn't they just apply to the drama program? Tons of stage actors who have gained popularity in musical theatre have done that. There's no reason to be that dedicated to the idea of a specifically musical-theatre program.

* I'm really disturbed by Mercedes' development. Since Chord quit, they got rid of Sam... and gave her a random black boyfriend instead? Was that really necessary?

 

== I Am Unicorn ==

 

* Isn't there a choir department or something that could teach Sugar how to sing? There's zero arts budget?

** Shelby mentions that giving up Rachel is one of the biggest mistakes of her life, Quinn might think that means she should fight to keep Beth. It doesn't make the most sense as she's currently an unemployed high school student, but it's also been established that Quinn isn't thinking rationally either.

** The next question is, how is it even possible? She signed away her rights as a mother when she gave Beth up.

**** She could bring up how Shelby tracked Rachel down before she was 18, attempted to start a relationship with her, and then abandoned her all over again. That certainly wouldn't reflect well on Shelby.

*** Not to mention the fact that she decided to move back and work at the same school as the daughter she has now abandoned ''twice''. The first episode seems to imply that Rachel and Quinn might get closer again, so maybe Quinn will bring that up. She's not the only one who would, either; Will has issues with the way Shelby treats Rachel as well.

**** But even if Shelby was found to be an unfit mother, wouldn't that just put Beth in foster care? I suppose Quinn and Puck could then attempt to adopt Beth out of foster care, but they'd have a hell of a time with it.(They're high school students, Puck's been to juvy, etc.)

* Are they just ruinning all of Quinn's character development for fun (okay, not for fun, for the sake of a new storyline)? I was curious about what they're going to do with Rebel!Quinn, but suddenly revealing that despite all her character developments she never thanked Mercedes?

*** She came into Will's office and blamed ''him'' for ruining her life. That, right off the bat, makes her way out of line. She does this to publicly embarrass him on camer, which will help Sue destroy the Glee Club that has been nothing but a family to her, no matter how bad things got for her. She has absolutely no right, 18 or not, to go into a teacher's office and speak to him that way. In my school, you would have at the very least been suspended out of school for 10 days. Quinn is acting like a brat and refusing to take responsibility for her own actions, so she gets what she deserves. As for the Shelby issue, it's not like Will has a choice. And Will and Emma are only ''in loco parentis'' while Quinn is ''in school''. This transformation happened over the summer. Where the Hell is her mother?!

*** First off, we've already seen that Will and Emma are both shaky on the finer points of being an authority figure/confidante for their students. He's definitely a douche at times, as Emma is pants at being a counselor. But Will is absolutely justified in telling Quinn to grow up. She's in and out of the Glee club for no good reason, proving she's unreliable, and she's hanging out with a bunch of delinquents and smoking. Finding yourself is one thing. Putting yourself and other students in danger, becoming as much of a bully as Santana and Karofsky have been in the past when you've seen how bullying affects others - that's acting like a child.

** Here's the thing. Yeah, she's only 18, but Will and the rest of New Directions have already tried the nice "cry on my shoulder" approach with Quinn and she repayed them by trying to portray the matyr. There's a time where you should listen to people in their grief, and then there's the time where you call them out on their own roles in misfortune. At this point, Will coddling Quinn anymore in her pity party would simply turn him into an enabler.

*** Be that as it may, teachers are absolutely not allowed to yell at their students no matter how much they may bring it on themselves. If Quinn had even a single person in the world that gave a crap about her, Will Schuester would be out of a job and possibly a career, especially with it being on videotape. Tough love and telling Quinn to grow up are fine. Raising his voice is NOT.

* Blaine is suddenly a Junior. Try rewatching Series 2 knowing that Blaine was a Sophmore and Kurt was a Junior at the time, it's definitely not the feeling it give off.

** Seriously, that makes no sense. Blaine being a sophomore and the star of the Warblers doesn't work.

*** That was at Mckinley, though. They have a terrible football team, so Finn was probably just naturally talented enough compared to everyone else to get the spot despite only being a sophomore. In Quinn's case, it was probably that the former head cheerleader had graduated the previous year and when the spot opened up Quinn was the only one capable of impressing Sue enough to get it. It makes no sense for a sophomore to be the star at Dalton because the Warblers are good and well established and have a clear hierarchy and pure talent alone is not enough to pull you up that hierarchy. In fact, Blaine told Kurt that he needed to stop showing off how good he is LESS so that he'll fit in (which is exactly the opposite of what Blaine does...). The two schools are completely different and it's still inconsistent with what we've seen of Dalton.

*** Or his Sadie Hawkin's Dance was a bit more than just a few punches. Serious time in a hospital could have been reason enough to keep him back a year.

** It is interesting to note that her development seems to be mirroring Puck's. In season two he started being less of a jerk, settled down with a steady girlfriend, and started taking more responsibility for his actions. Then in season three we see that his grades are also improving too and he is willing to work with Shelby and abide by her wishes in order to be a part of Beth's life. Quinn on the other hand has refused to acknowledge any of her own wrongdoing and starting this season she starts acting out and behaving irresponsibly (a lot like season 1 Puck) and plans on taking Beth away from Shelby any way she can.

* It feels to me like they are using WAAY less music this season. I think this episode only had 3 or 4 songs. Last season they were averaging 8.

** It's certainly about character development, but it seems to also be a way to drum up interest in musicals. I don't think we've had a single "top 40" cover yet, which I was quite looking forward to hearing Blaine do. It's mostly been music that the average viewer would never have listened to otherwise.

* Why do Quinn and Puck suddenly care so much about being a part of Beth's life? They didn't mention her at all in season two, and didn't seem to have any emotional effects from the experience for that entire season. Now it's suddenly Bethbethbethbeth! Puck might be understandable since he actually expressed an interest in keeping Beth, but Quinn always seemed pretty set on adoption. Also, couldn't Shelby have at least called first before making the executive decision that Quinn and Puck were going to be a part of Beth's life? That's a major thing to suddenly drop on someone.

* If Sugar's dad is so rich that he can casually boost a whole separate glee club just to spoil her, why is he sending his daughter to a public school in the first place?

** Initially it was probably because she wants to be a star and New Directions made it all the way to Nationals last year. The only other glee club we know of from Ohio that made it that far was Vocal Adrenaline and her dad probably realized that even he didn't have enough money to make her anything but a part of the background in VA. Once Will refused to let her in it probably became an issue of showing Will up.

** He might also be one of those parents who thinks "Public school will be good for them. It will teach them to be like any other kid" and then spoils them rotten at home. Hell, we had a few kids like that in ''my'' school.

** Of course Kurt would be hurt about it, but he didn't bitch Blaine out of auditioning for Tony. Blaine ''chose'' to audition for Bernardo/Officer Krumpkee so that he ''wouldn't'' hurt Kurt's feelings if he did get it. He also probably figured that he himself has more time to audition for and get a lead in a musical. This is Kurt's last year. And to be fair, Kurt gives him flowers and seems to be completely over it by the end of the episode.

** Glee has developed a very bad habit of resetting everyone's characterization back to square one at the beginning of each new season (Rachel sending Sunshine to a crack house at the beginning of season 2 being the most egregious example). That being said, it seems like he never really stopped being manipulative. For example, in Silly Love Songs he manipulated the Warblers into breaking decades of tradition and performing in public just because he thought Blaine wanted to sing to him. At the very least, it's still pretty much consistent with his character, even if it is frustrating.

** It's because Rachel and Santana are very popular characters, and Ryan believes that it's because of their negative qualities. Ryan wants Kurt to be popular (because he's in love with him) so he gives him their characteristics.

*** Kurt's been manipulative since he tried to give Rachel that make over in the first thirteen episodes, it's a part of his character. Not getting called out on it is Murphy's fault though.

** I don't even like Kurt but it's pretty obvious that these manipulations claims are kinda ridiculous. Blaine's transfer is a meta thing, not an in-story thing. It's illogical and a really crappy reasoning was written in. To blame characters involved in such bollocks for that isn't fair at all. The Tony thing is clearly more to do with Kurt's ambitions. He needs the role, he doesn't just want it. Blaine has no problem with Kurt taking the role over him because a) not the end of the world, it's a school musical and b) Kurt genuinely needs some experience acting. Finally, Kurt isn't hurt that Blaine was asked to audition for Tony (we never see him accept the role before Kurt goes all hurt face), it's because it reinforces his 'can't play straight' issues. It's an insecurity thing that Blaine's success was reinforcing.

* Did anyone find "Kurt's so gay he can't play straight" thing offensive?! I'm sure Chris Colfer could pull it off. And after all the shit with Johnathan Groff...

** Kinda surprised nobody mentioned this, but... Beiste. Remember her, Glee writers? Remember that gal who was crying in the locker room because her feelings were hurt when people were insensitive about her femininity? Remember that her issue was that she was still a girl inside, but the problem was that she tended towards masculine things? Remember that her first big issue last season was gender sensitivity? Hmm? Now play the scene where she emasculates Kurt for being too girly to play a man. Oh sure, he wasn't supposed to hear, just like she wasn't supposed to hear the football team. And, well, okay, she has that whole, "I'll do whatever it takes for my guys to win" thing, but there is nothing to win by staging the play. It does Dot such a great injustice.

*** I agree, but I think it also has a bit to do with his voice and looks not being right. Tony was, after all, in a gang. I don't think anyone could buy Kurt being in a gang.

 

 

*** Ginger speaking. I've never seen a Ginger Supremacist, but I've definitely seen people who take so much pride in their red hair it borders on fanatical. Also, gingers protested that episode of [[South Park]] with the 'Kick a Ginger Day' subplot IRL, so they probably exist somewhere.

*** While there might not be any "Ginger Supremacists," their absurd rhetoric does mirror that of real-life white supremacists (eg "Whites are endangered!")

** Traumatic experiences or patterns can lead to mental illnesses.

** By the way, where was Emma's brother? Was he even in that scene?

** Was it explained with an actual flashback? That may have been just something Emma was saying, especially given her shame about her parents, so she may not really have a brother, thus explaining the original question as well as why we didn't see him.

** If you look at the crowd, most of the girls dancing were Cheerios. And the background girls that weren't could have been former Cheerios that knew a common routine. It could've just been an assembly for President that Brittany hijacked. Also, it was [[Crowning Music of Awesome|totally awesome]], so I don't mind that much. What bothered me more was how smart she suddenly got before the number, and it didn't seem like just through Santana feeding her information either.

** You mean the smart-sounding stuff she was spouting by the lockers? I'm certain Santana had rehearsed those lines with her, it seemed like she tripped up on some of them. Referencing economic such and such (don't remember the exact quote) seemed like her improvising with something that seemed smart.

*** It didn't seem to me that Will was being too harsh; he was being a lot nicer than my musical theater teacher, and he goes pretty easy on us. It seemed more like Mercedes wasn't even trying. She had some good points about Rachel, but she shouldn't use it as an excuse not to make an attempt at practice. Everyone was stressed out, and they made a point of it, but everyone else put more effort into getting the moves, even Finn.

** The problem is that Mercedes' motives are hypocritical and rotten to the core. She doesn't want the glee club to give an equal share of spotlight to everyone; she's only mad that it's "The Rachel Berry Show" because it's not "The Mercedes Jones Show".

** Am I the only one who thought Mercedes deserved what she got? Jesse pointed it out when he was assisting Will last season. Mercedes doesn't try. Her response when Jesse asks if she rehearsed was something along the lines of "I don't need rehearsal, I'm great." She was late to booty camp because "she woke up half an hour late and set her whole schedule back". She's contrasted consistently this episode with Finn, who doesn't have the talent for dancing but gives it all he has. Mercedes keeps coming up with excuses, saying she's in pain or sick. And she's also contrasted with Rachel. Rachel works hard for what she gets. She consistently demonstrates not only talent, with Mercedes does have, in spades, but drive and persistence. Mercedes expects everything to come to her because she's talented, while Rachel CHASES what she wants. Mercedes is just lazy.

** Well Schue needs her since he doesn't have twelve and he has been proven to be very forgiving in the past (Rachel quitting, Quinn and the Glist, etc.)

**** The school didn't crack down on bullying. '''Santana''' cracked down on bullying in her bid to win prom queen.

* I may not know much about musical theater auditions, but was I the only one who found it strange that none of the auditions asked the kids to actually act out scenes from West Side Story? I know it's one thing to test if someone can sing, but shouldn't you see if someone can act as well? What's to say that Rachel can't portray emotion? What's to say that Blaine is a stiff actor? I heard that Sondheim admitted to wanting singers who act and not actors who sing. Did we simply not see that part of the audition?

*** Do you mean Anita? Santana was cast as her.

** The callback list says 'We are pleased to announce the following roles have been cast'. Kinda implies they're still casting other parts so maybe they just cast the people who've auditioned so far.

** Personally, I think he's justified. He doesn't require nearly as much as Cheerios or football and he never has, yet the only people who '''don't''' do the ''bare minimum'' are Kurt and Rachel. And yet, strangely, they are the ''least'' upset when the Glee Club loses.

** The thing is Glee club does not practice every day after school. Neither does football, Cheerios, or any other school activity. Booty Camp takes place on a day where neither football nor Glee meet. Mercedes isn't in any other after school activities so she really shouldn't have a problem balancing them out. Other members who do far more than her have managed to work through the schedule relatively easily. It's already been established that yes, Mercedes has talent, but she doesn't practice anywhere near the way she should to truly develop it.

*** Quinn and Puck suffered the consequences of their own behavior and choices, And yes Mike's grades slipped, but only from A to A- on a single test, the point being that his father is being unreasonable and overreacting. Also the point is that we ''are'' shown that the other Glee kids have other obligations outside of Glee while Mercedes hasn't (other than church choir). Granted, that doesn't mean that she ''doesn't'' do anything else, but until evidence to the contrary surfaces it's the most valid theory.

*** Mercedes DOES sing with her church choir, as shown in "Grilled Cheesus". It's undoubtedly the source of her vocal talent.

* Azimio. In this episode he says that his dad didn't raise him at all, but in the "Sue Slyvester Bowl Shuffle", he did the "Thriller" dance specifically because it would make his dad proud. Is he trying to impress a dad that was never there, or is it just writer inconsistency?"

** Writer inconsistency is the likeliest culprit and has my money, but it's not uncommon to want to please an absent parent, the idea that "if I do THIS, they'll love me and be there."

** Baseball playoffs.

 

 

== Pot O' Gold ==

** Admittedly, it's probably coincidence, although there are definitely parallels between the two cases. It could be the writers were drawing inspiration from the incident, but not so much that it's directly [[Ripped from the Headlines]].

** It's definitely a coincidence. Damian McGinty was cast because he was one of the winners of a contest for a role on the show. The role would have likely been a transfer/exchange student who gets bullied and becomes friends with Finn regardless of who won. It just happened to be that one of the two winners was Irish.

* Rory spends the whole episode humoring Brittany's fantasy in order to get into her "pot of gold." But since this is ''Brittany'' we're talking about, does anyone else think it would have been an actual pot?

** I tend to think Brittany knew the entire time what was going on, and was just pretending to believe in leprechauns to get what she wants.

* It was a big plot point in season 1 how they needed 12 to compete. By my count, they have ten right now. Quinn, Puck, Kurt, Blaine, Rachel, Finn, Mike, Tina, Artie, Irish Kid. Why is Shue all "SECTIONALS WE MUST WIN?" Shouldn't he be worrying about being able to compete at all? For that matter, shouldn't Shelby have the same concern? She has four members right now (possibly 7, with the random backup that had somehow shown up during Candyman). I understand the writers forgetting minor character points but this was a ''big plot point''. Are they managing to forget entire arcs now?

** I think the implication is just they need to find a new member. I'm sure Puck could get Lauren to help out once more, if even just for the competition. Also, it might just be my school, but we had a Hip Hop class, a choir, a Glee Club, step team, drama department, cheerleaders and people who just like to sing (myself included). It won't be that hard, I'm sure Kurt or Quinn have someone that would agree to do it once or Kurt could try to get Karofsky to do it. {{spoiler|Besides, Sam's coming back and all the ND Girls and Troubletone have a number together, minus Sugar hint hint.}}

*** Maybe, but that doesn't make any sense given how determined the show is to characterize the glee kids as unpopular. Either they're totally isolated and don't have a friend in the world (what the writers have shown us so far), or they do have friends who they can call on for a favor in a competition (leaving out how stupid adding random people at the last minute with no rehearsal is). To me, this is just another irritating continuity issue among many that Glee has.

* Okay, seriously, Shelby should not be around teenagers at all EVER. I mean, Jesus. First she tracks down her daughter that she gave up for adoption. She didn't just seek her out, she manipulated a boy into dating her to get her to be willing to meet. And then a few weeks later rejected her because she wanted a baby, not a teenager. Well, gee, maybe you should have thought of that before you tracked Rachel down! But, okay, maybe she didn't know so she adopts Quinn's baby and that's nice. Then she turns around, comes back, tells Quinn "Oh, I want you to see your baby, but only if you dress and act in a way that I find appropriate". Again, perhaps you should have considered how Quinn might take that, given that you've brought her baby back into her life. And now she's hooking up with Puck. None of this would bother me so much if the show didn't seem to want us to root for Shelby. She should NOT be allowed to work with children of any age, and I kind of hope child services does come and take Beth away.

**** But Shebly isn't Pucks teacher, hell, she's barely a teacher at all! She leads a rival glee club that's missing a third of the people needed to actually compete, which makes her position meaningless.

***** Doesn't matter. If she's employed as a teacher by the school, she has a certain level of authority over Puck. You don't need to have a class with a teacher for them to be able to send you to the principal, write you up, or give you detention. Even if it weren't illegal (in case I'm wrong), it's still a serious line, and Shelby's willingness to cross it is distressing.

**** All of that is true, but it still crosses a serious line that Shelby should not be willing to cross until the end of the school year.

** Shelby has every right to refuse to let Quinn see Beth, especially since Quinn has clearly shown she isn't mentally healthy, considering her tattoo of an [[American Idol]] host, and to a much lesser extent her hair and associates. Quinn doesn't have the right anymore because she signed away her child over two years ago and for a whole year never mentioning her child to anyone or referencing her at any point or showing any signs of remembering that she had a child at all.

* Two things about Rory. One, shouldn't Britanny's parents have TOLD her about Rory being an exchange student? I hosted a Japanese exchange student for a year when I was younger, and I was fully aware of what she was doing in my house. Why did Britanny not even receive any explanation about Rory, considering that it would be her parents who would be hosting him?

** Maybe she wasn't listening/didn't get it/thought it was his cover story?

** I didn't even understand what the hell the 'Pot of Gold' thing was. Shouldn't Brittany be getting Rory's pot of gold? What is the pot of gold? Why is it even relevant to the story?!

** It means sex. Or at least, Rory and the viewer are led to believe that it means sex.

** OP here. Given the events of Mash-Off, it was probably stuff like this that led to {{spoiler|Santana's rather unpleasant outing}}, so it actually makes a lot more sense now.

* Sugar gave in to Santana way too easily. I know Santana is one grade A scary bitch but Sugar is supposed to be a girl who can strut into a room of people and tell them they're crap, she shouldn't be content to sing quietly behind three other girls - where was the fast paced screaming rant?

* Blaine sings "Last Friday Night (TGIF)". The actors playing Blaine and Artie were both in the music video for that song. Are we meant to believe that in the Gleeverse, different actors notable for starring/guest-starring in a different musical television series were featured in the video? This isn't the show's first [[Celebrity Paradox]] by a long shot (John Stamos, anyone?), why is the show so intent on getting all meta for a quick [[Actor Allusion]]?

** [[Rule of Funny|Because it's funny.]]

* So {{spoiler|Karofsky transferred to another school.}} Which raises the question... how many schools ARE there in the greater Lima area? Isn't it supposed to be a small town?

** I think Lima is a small city, on the order of Orlando, FL or Syracuse, NY. It's not unrealistic for there to be 5 or 6 high schools in the area and a reasonable ability to move between them without moving house.

** Also for the record, Jonesboro, Arkansas is a city of 55,000 (even including the unincorporated area outside the city proper you're still only looking at about 65,000 people) making it about twice the size of Lima, Ohio and yet has four public school districts and at least three private schools, so it's not at all inconceivable that Lima has more than one.

** OP here. The reason it bothered me is because it seems like the show has made a pretty good effort to make us think McKinley is the only school in Lima - Dalton is like 40 miles away, as is Carmel. The people the football team play are never explicitly stated to be from the area. The sudden change was a bit jarring to me.

* There are only two virgins left on the main cast. In the Sexy episode, abstinence just gets mocked. Typically around half high school students are still virgins. It's just sort of annoying.

** Emma and who? IN MY OPINION, the only reason 80% of the "half of high school kids" that don't have sex, don't because they believe that they can't find someone willing.

*** Bieste is in the Main Cast?

*** "In my opinion" isn't an argument for putting it on the show. I've never known anything like that to be the case.

**** The school wasn't mentioned, but Finn has repeatedly mentioned getting a football scholarship. It might be the only way for him to get to college. You're right to say that Finn has no plans past high school, but that's exactly what's bothering him. His friends all have big plans and big dreams, like going to NYADA. He doesn't have plans, but his dream is to do something, anything, big. But he's struggling with thinking that he's not good enough at anything to leave Lima.

**** Okay, but prior to this episode they haven't established that Finn ''wants'' to leave Lima. In "I Am Unicorn" he seemed almost looking forward to the idea of staying in Lima and working in Burt's shop, and okay, maybe he was trying to convince himself that as much as Rachel, but that's not how the scene played to me, and when Burt mentioned Finn running the shop if he gets elected, he once again sounded excited. Presumably there have to be ''some'' people who like living in Lima or there wouldn't be anyone there.

* Finn fed Rachel real meat. ''What.''

** That's not much of a headscratcher, Finn's an idiot. It bothers me that Rachel's veganism is treated as a joke, and that there's almost no way this will ever be brought up again so there will never be any fallout. Almost certainly towards the end of this season Rachel's going have some big emotional crisis about leaving Finn for New York and it's all going to be about a boy who doesn't care enough about her to remember even the most basic facts about her.

 

 

*** There's a difference between people suspecting and people knowing. People may have suspected it due how she has been with Brittany, but very few, if any, knew it was fact.

*** Santana called Finn fat and bad in bed. Hurtful? Yes. But it was Finn's brother who recieved a death threat the year before because he was gay. There is a huge difference between calling someone fat and shouting something that puts them in the way of actual bodily harm down a hallway full of people who are known for trying to make a gay kid's life miserable.

**** He most certainly knew they were talking about the whole outing thing, and no he didn't know about the tape, he thought they were talking about the school-situation.

**** Alright, then the Writers have really messed this up. The scene where Santana found out that she'd been outed goes straight into the performance scene. How much time has passed between those two scenes? Was it a couple of hours? Days? Or did Santana go straight from Sue's office to the Auditorium? While the performance was brilliant, the moment between Finn, Rachel and Santana was truly disorientating, in a bad way. If Santana was as upset as she appeared to be, Brittany would have noticed this and at least asked her what was wrong. Brittany acted, through out the number, that she had no idea what was going on, which is very unlike her. Brittany was the one who ran after Santana at Prom and comforted her after all. Even Mercedes gave Santana a concerned look. However, if the scene POV was supposed to be from inside Santana's mind, then I can accept the attempt at portraying the confusion and paranoia of the scene but I still think the whole thing has been poorly executed. One of the biggest problems with Glee is that there is plenty of Tell but not nearly enough Show.

***** I think it probably happened not long after she left Sue's office. She probably went somewhere to dry her eyes and cover up that she was crying and then she went to the auditorium. As for Brittany, she may have noticed that Santana was upset but just decided to hide her concern, stay focused on the song, and ask her afterwards.

*** The consequences for Santana were certainly not justified. She deserves all our sympathy for the shit she's going through. But as poorly timed and placed as Finn's words were, he said them in the heat of the moment when she had finally pushed him too far. And I'm pretty miffed that everyone seems to think that (1) Santana "just" called him fat and (2) calling someone fat somehow isn't in itself hurtful and often downright cruel. On (1), She insulted his performance in bed, she dissed his best friends (ND), she dissed his talent and virtually called him worthless, and on top of that made an insulting reference to his girlfriend. She took a cheap shot at his face at the end of the dodgeball game. Even if that was "legit", she pelted Rory with dodgeballs till he bled and then *laughed it off*. And don't even get me started on all the crap he's had to put up with her for the past two years. On (2), I don't mean to downplay how it sucks to be outed, but people seem to conveniently overlook all the kids who've killed themselves after being bullied in general and being picked on for their weight issues in particular. I'm not justifying Finn's calling her out, but I really think the balance of wrongs is not nearly as one-sided as Santana's fans are making it out to be.

** Likewise being horrible to someone who is a bitch doesn't make you any less horrible. Outing someone is a horrible thing to do, no matter who you do it to.

** The difference is, he used her sexuality as a weapon. He could've called her an asshole, for example, and I think most people who weren't already wildly biased in Santana's favour would've been okay with it, but he chose her sexuality to pick on. It's not okay to attack Santana for being a lesbian just because she's a nasty person or they were having an argument, and I'm actually pretty insulted that some people seem to think it is. Here's why; by insulting her for struggling with her sexuality, he's insulting ''everyone'' who's done the same thing by proxy - if he's saying "There's something wrong with this girl because she's having trouble coming to terms with the fact that she's a lesbian," then what does that say about all the other girls who are doing or have done the same?

** I don't entirely blame Santana for lashing out, because she has to deal with a lot of inner turmoil and frustration. She could definitely have dealt with it better, though. Having said that, Finn still had a right to defend himself. It's like being attacked by someone who's not really responsible for their actions (eg a child or an insane person): you still have the right to self-defence, even if you can't blame the attacker for attacking you.

** Firstly, the child/insane person is a poor analogy. Santana's [[Gayngst]] doesn't exempt her from being a reasonable person [[Sarcasm Mode|because she can't help it.]] Both Kurt and his ''father'' have been openly bullied because of his sexuality and haven't dedicated their lives to being horrible. When Karovsky was lashing out due to ''his'' [[Gayngst]] it wasn't ok.

** Not hurtful? Of course Santana's backhand apology would hurt. That would hurt anybody but the especially painful part was when Santana said that Finn would "spend the rest of his life riding on the end of Rachel's coat-tails". Given just how upset he was at the end of "The First Time" over the fact that he thought he wasn't good enough to do pretty much anything he wants to do, it's pretty obvious Santana's comments caused just as much pain as his. Finn and Santana might have started it together, but Santana took it too far. Glee has shown plenty of times that Santana can dish it out, but she can't take it. The Writers seemed to have attempted to do the same thing for Santana what they did for Quinn. Like Quinn, Santana helped bring about this unplesant situation. And just as RIB have done with Quinn, they have presented Santana as a character with a hard bitchy outer shell but on the inside she has enough sympathetic character traits to make the viewers think that there is more going on beneath the surface, that both girls are conflicted, complex and most importantly three-dimensional. This is not what occurred in "Mash Off". What occurred in “Mash Off” is that is “Bullying is wrong, unless the bully is gay and the victim is [[Acceptable Target|heterosexual and white]], then it’s perfectly fine.”

** It seemed that Finn's comeback wasn't outing Santana. He said that everybody in the school already knew after all, and he doesn't treat her being a lesbian as a bad thing. What he focuses on is that she is too afraid to let other people know, hiding from herself because she's afraid. The last thing he says is the real insult. "You know what I think you are? A coward." Finn doesn't even seem to consider outing her as the comeback.

*** It matters very little if he meant to out her or not; the fact is that he did and he's not sorry he did it.

**** If everybody already knew then why did the ad only come out after Finn's shouting in the hallway? The campaign has been going on for months. Santana's been Head Cheerio for at least a month and probably longer considering how long it takes to cast, rehearse, and stage a musical, so why now? The truth is we only have Finn's word that everyone already knew and didn't care. We also have fairly definitive proof of how that school treats gay kids that would seem to fly in the face of his idea that no one cares. The whole school may have suspected but there's a big difference between thinking something is true and having someone who is close enough to her to know for sure confirm it. The ad outed her to the whole Congressional district but Finn outed her to the school.

** Speaking as the person who wrote the previous headscratcher entry, honestly I simply can't find Santana to be sympathetic at all. Yeah, Finn's outting her (unintentional as it was, though I still take contention with the fact that he would do it anyway considering all the issues Kurt faced last season) Santana is just far to much a bitch. But then again, the writers of the series have been making light of a lot of Santana's action this season (like getting back into Glee Club despite setting their pianos on fire).

** Ok - for a start let's ignore the advert about to publically out Santana cause that was not predictable by Finn and even at the end he seems unaware of its existance. Santana has been bullying him for at least a year and he finally got his own back. Rocky Horror showed he's embarrassed by his body, First Time showed how crushed he is about not having his dream football future, he felt guilty for kissing Rachel in New York causing New Directions to lose in his eyes, he doesn't think he could get into NYADA because he isn't a good enough singer or dancer and he's in love with a girl who always is getting ripped into for no reason. Santana comes up and hits every single one of those sore spots so what does he do? He strikes back at one of hers. Instead of sticking to generic insults he sinks towards her level (not all the way, mind you, as this is a one-off retaliatory speech instead of persistant unprovoked abuse) and it hurts her - just like he has been hurt by her time and time again. Is he a saint? Of course not, he did respond in kind to her - but is she a faultless victim to be put on a pedastal and cried for? No. She has spend years in school preying on people's insecurities and we're supposed to feel sorry that somebody shone the spotlight on one of hers? She normalised the behaviour and at the very least you have to agree she brought it some of it on herself.

** None of those insecurities Santana had any way of knowing he had. The last time body image issues came up was Rocky Horror when he walked through the school in his boxers, not the actions of someone who has serious body image issues. Try as she might to give them to him, she had no way of knowing he actually had them. She definitely had no way of knowing what Cooter said to Finn about OSU and plateauing. I'm not saying Santana is excused for her bitchiness because she's struggling with her sexuality. I'm saying that Finn being a world class d-bag to someone who is a bitch doesn't change the fact that he's a world class d-bag. (And this is wildly of topic but Finn's in love with a girl who is constantly getting ripped into for no reason because her very popular boyfriend doesn't stand up for her.)

*** Santana at least suspected that they were sensitive topics. Otherwise, it's too great of a coincidence that all the insults she picked happened to be right on target. Rachel gets ripped into for a lot more reasons than the fact that Finn doesn't stand up for her. There's no way Finn can be blamed for that. He's just one guy.

* Yes, it does suck that she is going to be outed on public TV. Really suck. Undeniably, unbelievably suck. But why should Finn cop the blame for that? Santana picks on people in public all the time - she picked on his insecurities in the same forum that he picked on hers, she just ended up worse off because some tosser with a TV slot decided to make it the public's business. This is highschool, people bully publicly and people get bullied publicly - why are we acting like Finn swooped out of nowhere and destroyed a perfectly innocent and priest-like Santana? She directly contributed to Finn's comments and frankly deserved a taste of her own medicine to realise that words can actually cripple people's self esteem. The fallout of the TV ad is not Finn's fault - nobody, NOBODY could have predicted that would happen. Honestly, do you ever stop yourself from saying something for fear it may be put on national TV? By Finn's own admission he didn't consider himself to be outing her, he claims repeatedly that the whole school knows which nobody has denied. From his point of view he was getting back at a girl who had repeatedly gotten to him by letting her know that her act wasn't fooling anybody and he sees her for what she is - a coward that bullies to cover her own insecurities. What some silly little girl and her douchebag father then decided to do with that information isn't Finn's fault. It ended horrendously for Santana but don't paint her to be something she's not.

** I see no one claiming that Santana is a saint. Only a blind person could but that still doesn't justify what Finn did. You're comparing apples and oranges. Bullying is horrible in all of its forms, but Santana pointing out that Finn is slightly soft around the middle doesn't endanger his life. You say he couldn't know what would happen, but he knows full well how that school treats gay kids since his BROTHER is a gay kid that had to transfer out of the school to get away from the bullying, so no he couldn't possibly know it would have wound up on television but he knew (or at the very least should have known) there would be repercussions to saying such a thing in a public place. And the whole school didn't know, they suspected, there were rumors but they didn't KNOW until someone that was close enough to her confirmed the rumors... and yes there's a difference. If the whole school already knew, then why did this ad just happen to pop up after Finn shouted out privileged information in the halls? The bottom line is that Finn's an a-hole, this is just the latest in a long line of things that prove that, immediately preceded by feeding Rachel meat and lying about it afterwards and going all the way back to cheating on Quinn when he thought she was pregnant with his baby. He outed her, and whether he meant to out her to the whole school or the whole world or no one at all in immaterial because the fact remains that he outed her. Through his words and deeds Santana's life and well being are in jeopardy, and he doesn't even have the decency to be remorseful. No, Santana isn't a saint. She is about as far from one as a human being can be, but still she doesn't deserve that. No one does.

*** The girl and her dad outed Santana to the Ohio 4th Congressional District. Finn outed her to the school. Even if the whole ordeal never ended up on television there still would have been repercussions from him shouting in the hallway. We saw with the "Brittany's pregnant" thing how quickly information gets around that school. Everyone was going to find out and someone would have said something to their parents and Santana's parents would have found out, which is clearly a concern of Santana's. The commercial only makes a bad situation worse by making the secret get around that much faster.

**** Which reiterates my point: there's more than enough blame to go around without singling Finn out.

**** Santana is a bully. A deeply insecure bully compensating up a firestorm, but a bully nonetheless. Plenty of people are in the closet and don't compensate by emotionally tearing down anyone within earshot. People have a right to defend themselves, and calling Santana out on her closetedness wasn't the first action Finn took.

**** Defend themselves, yes. Put someone else's life at risk by outing them, no. The simple truth is that if he hadn't been shouting her personal business in that hallway, then Salazar's niece wouldn't have heard and she wouldn't have told her uncle and it wouldn't have ended up on television. Just because someone else outed her worse doesn't mean that Finn didn't out her. He did it, and now we have proof that he refuses to accept any guilt in the situation. The everyone already knew excuse it bull because you can clearly see people in the background of the shot reacting to what is clearly news to them.

 

* ''DODGEBALL IS NOT BULLYING!'' I'm all for doing things to prevent bullying, but outlawing a game because of it's vague associations with it is just not productive. And frankly, falling into those draconian zero-tolerance policies that will ban anything on a might-have-been are really just as much bullying as the things they are trying to prevent.

** [[Dodgeball Is Hell]] trope in play here. It's about as violent a game as you will have kids playing in gym class. I always enjoyed it, even as a constantly bullied child, but in TV land it is the prime activity for the strong to pick on the week.

** To be fair all the platforms were different flavours of nonsense so I'm somewhat torn on whether we're supposed to take them seriously, or just as a representation of "highschool campaigns are idiotic because they're teenagers".

*** All right, but you're still forgetting something- for a club of any kind to be successful, everyone needs to get along. Sugar would likely have repeatedly clashed with everyone else, and may have demanded (and possibly got) key roles that, given her refusal to acknowledge how bad her singing voice is, could have lost them Sectionals or other contests. If Sugar was a sweet-natured girl (no pun intended) who acknowledged her lack of vocal talent but was willing to work on it, Will wouldn't have had a problem with accepting her. The club has enough problems as it is without a new bitch to screw everything up.

*** But nothing that Sugar said or did was any worse than the things that Season One Rachel said or did, and no one even considered for a second kicking Rachel out for her attitude problems. Yes, prolonged bad performances from Sugar would have caused them trouble at competition, but there were months in between to try to calm her down and teach her how to dance. Which, evidently wasn't even all that hard. Wasn't it worth trying for at least a little bit instead of giving up on her, especially when he already knew he was going to be running a dance workshop anyway? Sugar accepted a secondary role in the Troubletones after one verbal smackdown from Santana. Do you really think she wouldn't have backed down after Rachel, Mercedes, or Kurt went off on a diva rant on her?

 

* So, why does no one go after the politician who made the ad campaign? Not only is it EXTREMELY unethical to out someone like that on TV (which even many conservatives would say is too much and would criticize that) but it might even be illegal, assuming Santana is a minor, anyway.

* Santana's grandmother is incorrect. Presuming she's Catholic, The Church's stance on homosexuality is to love the sinner, but not accept the sin- in this case homosexual actions/sex. Having sex outside of marriage would be seen as a sin, anyway, even if she were straight. Santana should have been encouraged to live a chaste life and accepted, always, as a person and family member. Though there would be a level in scandal in being openly gay and also calling yourself a devout Catholic, implying Catholicism is alright with it. Basically it's Failing Religious Studies to add drama.

** And since when has every single member of ''any'' religion followed it the way they should, especially regarding acceptance? Her reaction was realistic, if unfortunate.

** "Everyone has secrets, Santana. They're called secrets for a reason." "The sin isn't in the thing, it's in the scandal when people talk about it aloud." It seems pretty clear to me from those statements that it wasn't so much about Santana being a lesbian in and of itself, but what people are going to say about her (and, more importantly, her family) when they find out.

* So, is the show really suggesting that outing people is okay? Because Finn certainly wasn't doing any apologizing, and the show seemed to suggest it was for her own good.

** It does come off as a really bad [[Author's Saving Throw]] though. Even if his intentions were good, [[Karma Houdini|he was still never actually called out on it.]]

** It's yet more of the "Finn can do no wrong" that this show has always run off of, whether he's quitting Glee after Baby Daddy Gate or enticing Quinn to cheat on Sam right after breaking up with Rachel for doing the same thing, the writers will NEVER call Finn out on anything... ever.

** What about the time he called Kurt "faggy"? He got called out on that more than he deserved to. And he ''did'' catch mono ([[Magnificent Bitch|from Santana...]]) for getting Quinn to fool around behind Sam's back. Plus, previews for "Hold on to Sixteen" suggest that Blaine will call him out for his rude behavior towards him. But in this case, it can be argued that Finn ''not'' apologizing to her is a sign that he's finally growing balls, because no one was fully right or wrong. Without getting into the debate again, there are two things any sensible person will agree upon: A) Even Santana didn't deserve to be outed like that, and B) That said, it only happened because she was being a total [[Country Matters]] to him. And despite all the crap she put him through, he still kept her from getting suspended and went out of his way to show her that she has friends who care for her and support her if her family doesn't. Sounds like a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]] to me. Finn has come a long way from having to be forced to protect Kurt.

** You're right that no one was fully right or fully wrong in this situation, but if you aren't fully right then you are at least a little bit wrong, and not apologizing when you're wrong (even if you're only a little bit wrong) especially to someone you claim to care about isn't growing some balls, it's being a dick. And yes, she owes him an apology too.

*** Well no, but I'm of the impression that the writers lost interest in Finn being the ''hero'' after the first season. After all, as I alluded to in my [[Character Derailment|train handling]] comment below, the characters take turns playing the stock archetypes (to such an extent that it nearly eliminates all dramatic value). It's very difficult to identify with Finn as the hero, or with Britney as the sweet one, because in the ''very'' next episode ''they'll be a different character''. This is precisely why I found Finn's "I don't want you to die" speech to Santana so jarring as he hasn't been so overtly [[Big Damn Heroes|boyscout]] in a long time. I actually asked my girlfriend "Where season 1 Finn came from all of a sudden?"

** That's actually pretty consistent with his behavior. He has never born Santana any ill will, despite all the crap she says to him and everyone else. And when he convinced the three Cheerios to rejoin the Glee club after Sue pulled an ultimatum last season, he called out to her specifically. He always wanted the whole club to just be friends and knew that she only lashed out at people to hide from her gayngst. None of this was a secret to anyone (as Puck confirmed). ''Anyone else'', even Kurt, would have just said "Screw you you carpet-chewing dyke in denial," but Finn was concerned for her just as much as he was being spiteful. And when the outing happened, he organized the whole club into showing her that they care, even though they had no reason to do so because she has never cared for anyone but herself.

*** *Cough*Quinn*Cough*

 

* And how is "I Kissed A Girl", a song about meaningless experimentation, an appropriate response to a guy saying that lesbians just need to meet the right man?

** Agreed with the above, plus I don't expect teenage girls to get the meaning exactly right on what they decide to sing when there's an in-the-ballpark, incredibly poppy and catchy alternative. The point of the number, anyway, was pretty much "fuck you", and deeper meaning or not the song is pretty brazen, so it works for that purpose.

** Not to mention that after that creep jock pretty much threatened to rape Santana to "set her straight", the song was their way of saying "screw you - I kissed a girl and I liked it".

*** New Headscratchers drinking game - drink every time somebody cries rape on a decidedly non-rape situation. Seriously, he was a cocky rugby player hitting on a girl, that's slightly short of rape.

*** Agreed.

*** To be honest it maynot be a rape scene but it did feel a bit rape-y. Santana is now known by EVERYONE as a lesbian (As in just girls) and this GUY says he gonna set her straight. Sure if it was anyother situation, hell in any previous episode it would be him hitting on the hot cheerleader but in this episode he's hitting on a lesbian with the 'set you straight' in the conversation it does make it kinda rapey.

*** I think people just don't realize that this moment has an actual name- he wasn't threatening to rape her, he was threatening her with corrective sex- that is, sex to 'turn her straight'. While not guaranteed to be rape- Santana could still consent to this incredibly stupid idea- it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Corrective sex is rape a surprisingly large amount of the time, and either way, the suggestion to have it is both demeaning and offensive.

* What's with Kurt and Rachel's "NYADA or nothing" attitude? Yes it would be an awesome school to get into and would greatly increase their chances of professional success, but any guidance counselor worth the title would tell you not to put all your eggs in one basket and to ''always'' have a second and third choice for college. Oh wait...this is Emma we're talking about.

** Two possibilities. One: being told to have a second choice doesn't mean a teenager will listen; plenty of my friends didn't with both happy and sad results. Two: they may be applying to other schools, but a) they're probably going for programs equally hard to get into (say, other programs that only take 100 kids; in a country the size of America plus international students, standards would still be vanishingly high for both) and b) the show just hasn't chosen to focus on it because [[Rule of Drama]] and because NYADA is still their first choice and the one they're worried about. (Personally, my problem is why they weren't thinking about this last season. In my high school, we were told your junior year is most important for college admission and that we needed to be absolutely sure where we were applying by the end of junior year).

* Why don't we get to see the scene with Santana's parents? I feel like we're missing an important step in her emotional journey. Last episode she's almost completely destroyed emotionally, scared to death of what people will think/say, then we see her loosen up somewhat when the Glee Club makes abundantly clear that they've got her back. Shouldn't we see the scene where she risks her tentative acceptance of herself and tells her parents and they're okay with it and Santana starts to think that maybe, against all odds, just maybe this will all work out and everyone will be cool with her and she'll get to have her girl and her friends and her family and ''then'' have the scene with her abuela?

** Time restrictions? That's the only excuse I can come up with. Maybe they considered doing both scenes, but it would take too much time, so they ended up going with [[Rule of Drama]] and putting the abuela scene in instead of the [[Heartwarming Moment]] that a scene with Santana's parents probably would have been.

* Anyone else getting the feeling that [[The Artifact|Sue's character has run it's course?]] It bugged me that her "campaign against the arts" ended rather anticlimactically in this episode.

** [[Sarcasm Mode|Oh no, she's totally still relevant thanks to the totally not ridiculous love triangle storyline they've]] [[Ass Pull|drummed up]] [[Rule of Drama|for her.]]

**** I agree, Sue's act has just gotten more grating and tired this season. Season 1 she was entertaining and laugh out loud hilarious, and her moments with her sister added some depth to her...but now that her sister is gone, it seems like Sue is all Strawman 24/7, with literally no other purpose than wanting to cut arts programs ([[For the Evulz]], of course) and to throw out increasingly desperate attempts at over-the-top one-liners. I think another reason why Sue's act has gotten tired is because she's kind of lost the shock value that her humor had in the first season. Even the ''funniest'' jokes can get boring if you keep rehashing it over and over and over again (which sadly, is basically what Glee's writers have been doing with Sue). Bottom line, Sue's character is getting old, and hasn't been entertaining for a while now, at least IMHO.

* This has been bothering me all season, but why are they running for senior class president during their senior year? Seems like there's not a whole lot of time to preside if it's taken this long to get results. Shouldn't they have voted on this stuff at the end of the previous year instead of now?

* It's been a while since I took a math class, but I'm pretty sure the quadratic equation is used in advanced geometry and algebra. Why would Puck need it for his bookkeeping?

** I'm fairly certain that was him brushing off the question. When he says "It's for my pool-cleaning business" he means "I'm trying to straighten out my life so that I can spend more time with my daughter."

** I get this really bad feeling that there'll be some really major dramatic moment and ND and the Troubletones will join together (Especially seeing as it looks like Rachel's gonna get suspended for fixing the election and therefore won't be able to join them for the show.Hopefully I'm not the only one thinking it after all Finn said Santana was gonna miss Sectionals because of the suspension he hung over her head so that means Rachel won't be singing next week, something that makes matters worse)

** From things I've seen floating around the internet, it seems that the New Directions are going to recruit a few random band members to get their twelve, plus Sam will be coming back. As for the Troubletones, it seems that the three unnamed members are probably Cheerios, so I'm guessing between those three, Santana and Brittany they'll be able to find five more Cheerios to give themselves a full glee club.

** It's made all the more stupid by the fact that Santana has already admitted to slapping him and is just trying to deny culpability with the whole "Snix" thing. Really all Santana had to do was walk back into the office and tell them that he just tried blackmail her. Blackmail, legally known as extortion, is a felony and since it was committed on school grounds, Finn would be subject to expulsion. Figgins the weak willed worm would crap himself and just drop the whole matter to keep from having to expel the school's star quarterback.

*** You would have a VERY hard time even suggesting extortion here. In general, it needs to be a threat of actual harm before it's considered criminal (it would be easy to argue that a suspension wouldn't hurt Santana enough to get over that threshold). Also, blackmail is its own legal term; extortion is similar, but blackmail is not "legally known as" extortion.

 

* The election scene is a major problem. Supposedly the school election and Ohio election are on the same day. First, schools are closed on election day. Second, an in session school would never be the location of an election since that would mean child molesters and others unallowed around minors aren't allowed to vote. Third, that thats not how you vote at a school election, my school gave you the ballot which they collected five minutes later. My fourth, final, and most unforgivable problem is thus: Election Day is by definition always on a Tuesday in America. ''Your telling me that this entire episode took place over at most three days?!!'' No, no bullshit no. I say thee nay.

** Convicted child molesters are felons and can't vote anyway, regardless of the polling places location.

 

* So if the guys in the jazz band can dance why did they recruit Jacob Ben Israel and Lauren Zizes whenever they needed a twelfth member? I mean, obviously Puck doesn't know them but he didn't remember Mercedes name up until he needed to date her. Do you really think that someone like Tina or Artie (who recruited these guys to help ND in the first place) don't actually know something about these guys?

** Maybe this is the first year any of them were available, or they were asked to be Christmas-and-Easter members (or in this case, Sectionals-And-Regionals members), and only expected to continue preforming until some of the people from the group that lost moved over to the group that won.

** Rachel might be an interesting choice. It might give us an excuse to finally meet her dads.

** Burt and Carole sold their houses and bought a new one when they got married.

* While Blaine being all sweaty and angry and working over a punching bag provided some nice [[Fan Service]], does anyone else think he was being unjustifiably bitchy over his argument with Sam? The only thing Sam did was disagree with Blaine's suggestion for dance moves, and came up with an idea that the others happened to like better. That's just an inevitable aspect of being in a group. Funny how Blaine wasn't nearly as upset when Kurt's ideas were being shot down in the Warblers.

** It wasn't just that the other idea was better received, it was the whole sex aspect that bothered Blaine.

** One major factor to consider is whether or not Finn and Rachel told the others that Sam had been a stripper prior to returning. If they had, then it seems as if Blaine was intentionally trying to offend Sam to get his way. If they hadn't told anyone, then what we have is Blaine being uncomfortable with sex and getting worked up about the situation, not realizing Sam would take his comments so personally. The latter is most likely, as the former seems highly OOC for Blaine, even with the little characterization he has, and also because Sam was clearly ashamed of being a stripper, and Rachel and Finn would likely want to protect his dignity by not telling the entire Glee club (especially Blaine, who barely knew Sam) that Sam had been working at a strip club.

* "You smell like Craigslist"? What does that even mean?

** Craigslist has a dating section. For men seeking women, women seeking men, and women seeking women, the ads are a mix of people looking for an actual relationship, and those who just want casual sex. The ads for ''men seeking men'', on the other hand, are ENTIRELY x-rated, with no shortage of nasty perverts looking to give an anonymous blowjob while their wives are out of town. Most gay men consider Craigslist the bottom of the barrel when it comes to online dating. This is what Kurt was getting at.

** The whole thing smacked of arrogance. It was patronizing towards New Directions, and presumptuous for the Trouble Tones to assume they would win. If they did, ND would have never heard the end of it.

*** Shelby said '''if''' we win. Not when we win. New Directions were being insanely thin skinned.

** I agree. The offer seemed sincre, and she even refered to it as "In the Case of a New Directions defeat". Sure, she wanted to win, but so did Mr. Shue. The really heinous thing to me is how Hypocritical New Directions were about it. Oh, Shelby is confident? Cue shot of Blaine and Finn bumping fists DURING a performance and saying "We got this." Oh, Shelby offers a spot to New Directions in the Troubletones if they lose? Cue Quinn pressureing half the troubletones to rejoin New Directions after they win.

*** The writers did the same thing with Finn's cheating. If the character is supposed to be the main character, we, as the audience, are supposed to forgive everything they do no matter how hypocritical they are. The writers are portraying the troubletones as a cancer, or something unnatural. The truth is the writers know that, while there's nothing wrong ND joining the Trouble Tones, the Trouble Tones aren't Will's baby, and Matt Morrison is cheaper than Menzel.

** It's one thing for them to be confident among themselves, and to offer the rival group a spot ''after'' they lost, but the Trouble Tones were all like, "When you losers lose, you can join us!" I can understand why ND would be offended.

*** Shelby and the others may have been sincere and well meaning, but the way that Santana told them smacked of arrogance.

**** Except not. Santana said IN CASE of a Troubletone's victory, Shelby agreed to let any New Direction member who wants to join, join. There was not a single trace of arrogance in her voice nor were the Troubletones assuming they would win (and if they did they weren't rubbing it their voices like some of you apparently think) Seriously you people need to watch the scene again if you think the Troubletones were being rude or cocky

** She'll probably be showing up in the next few episodes or so. She really wasn't needed for this episode.

** [http://twitter.com/#!/littlelengies/status/146732091839750144 Obviously she returned to the future to spend the holidays with her moms.]

** He was playing a [[Retraux]] flirty-but-sexless "[[Oh, Hi There.|Hi]], this is my [[Heterosexual Life Partner]], welcome to our amazing home!" amalgam of different variety special hosts (and narrators). Practically everything he ''did'' was [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|subversively breaking character]], including the diamond necklace subplot. Artie's movie was supposed to fill an entire evening of airtime (the Yule Log video is two to four hours long, I expect a typical Christmas Eve live special to run for at least one hour, if not two), and the part of the show that we saw was only about ten or fifteen minutes long, and Kurt made a comment that the oven wasn't even started yet (in-story) but they had a turkey by the end of it, so there was probably either some [[Deus Ex Machina]] or [[Willing Suspension of Disbelief|enough time to make people think they cooked a turkey]]. Also, Rory ''did'' [[A Charlie Brown Christmas|go majorly off-script]].

** Rory did mention later that the TV guys made him put the Bible stuff in.

*** He said it was inspired by his Christmas sponsor. As in Sam. Rory chose to put it in himself because Sam inspired him.

* How much would it have cost to run that special? They had an $800 budget, I'm almost 100% certain that "My Favourite things" isn't in the public domain (let alone some of the other songs which might be [[Newer Than They Think]]), and it would have cost a bit to do the whole thing live (with the exception of the intro and pre-preparing Finn's [[Lawyer-Friendly Cameo|Light Sword]] effect) or film it and convert it to black and white (if the "are we live?" bit was a mis-speak). Even if everyone provided their own costumes, props, and food at no cost to the station (considering the end of the episode at the homeless shelter, that's almost definitely the case), and the set was pre-built or counted in someone else's budget, it still seems like it would have cost more than the budget, and almost definitely more than it would cost to license the rights to a major station's previous year's Yule Log recording.

* For that matter, what was the point of all the drama surrounding choosing the TV special over the homeless shelter, when it's made clear at the end that they could have just done both? (with time to cook a turkey!)

** Artie never liked Becky as more than a friend. Compare his scenes with Tina in S1 and Brittany in S2 with his scene with Becky in this episode. His actions are not the same. He broke up with her after she said she wanted to sleep with him because he wasn't interested in her like that.

* Why did Will care about the whole "babies are messy" thing? He does realize that getting married doesn't equal having a baby, right?

* Why did Will go to Emma's parents and ask them about marrying Emma? Even using the basis of 'it's tradition,' didn't 'Asian F' establish that their relationship with Emma is at best strained in the first place, so having their blessing likely wasn't either forthcoming or important for Emma?

* So, Finn, one of Will's students, is going to be his best man... Does this man have no actual friends?

** He has Bieste, Emma, and occasionally Sue. He's marrying Emma, so she can't be his best man, Bieste probably wouldn't appreciate being the best "man" at his wedding, and Sue may or may not be his friend at the time.

*** I'm guessing since we haven't seen Will's crazy wife Terry in a while that everyone forgot what a controlling psycho she is? Way back in the first season, it's implied that Will is emotionally and mentally (and possibly socially) stunted by their unhealthy relationship, and any friends Will might've had that could see that crazy in Terry could have easily been driven away by her. Besides, all the other men that people know in this universe are people that are plain assholes to Will (Bryan Ryan, Figgins, Tanaka) or Will doesn't even know them TOO well (Burt, David Martinez, Coach Beiste's boyfriend). Though I still also think it's odd Will picked Finn as his best man.

* Finn has taught Will how to be a man? How? By showing him what ''NOT'' to do?

* So Coach Bieste won't even consider letting Sam on the basketball team? The same woman who had so little depth of roster on her football team last year that she had to sub in three girls who couldn't even play just so that she'd have enough players to field a team in the championship game won't even put him on the B-team or the C-team. Sam's not asking to start. I mean, it's high school athletics, it's not like the school is paying for them to be there.

** That was a completely different situation. The game was due to the rest of the football team not wanting to do the halftime show and not being allowed to play. That's the only reason the girls were forced to substitute. And the sports teams seem to be an easy way to go up the social ladder in the school, so it'd make sense that even the b or c team would be full.

 

== Michael ==

*** I think the police would be very much interested in pressing charges against an assault where the victim required surgery.

**** Depends on the police. Some are great about that kind of thing, some less so.

*** We do actually hear a tape, but only one, when Santana announces "we've got the Warblers right where we want them.", right after Smooth Criminal. She then plays the tape recorded during Smooth Criminal where Sebastian admits that there was rock salt in the slushie that got Blaine. We neither hear/see any other tape, so presumably there's only one. Santana threw this same tape at Sebastian, and given that Sebastian isn't [[Too Dumb to Live]], there's no way in Hell that that tape will ever see the light of day, let alone the Warblers hearing its contents.

*** Oh I don't doubt that we'll never see or hear of this storyline again, I'm just speculating for speculation's sake. As a former employee of Office Max, I can tell you that you can't buy just one micro cassette tape, the smallest they come in is a three pack, so there are at least two others. Santana could well have thrown Sebastian a blank tape. The Warblers don't need to hear the tape, they were there when Santana recorded it.

*** You clearly need to re-watch the episode because they came back after "Smooth Criminal" they were there when he confessed to salting the slushie and they were the ones that handed Sebastian the slushie he threw at Santana.

*** I've watched that episode plenty of times. I am aware that they handed him Santana's slushie, I'll even concede that they heard him admit to the rock salt. But that brings up another error: why say "now all your teammates know exactly what kind of guy you are" as a threat if they've already heard his admission in person and know what it did to Blaine? Note: THE ORIGINAL QUESTION IS STILL NOT ANSWERED.

** Really? I like Sebastian, he's like a Sue Sylvester with 90% less all-talk. I sincerely hope he's in Season 4.

** How are they getting rid of him? Regionals is still at least three episodes away.

** The way I understood it was that they needed an explanation for why Blaine would be gone because [[Darren Criss]] is going to be in a movie. But if that's not the case, I'm very confused indeed.

** Actually, it's because he had to go do a three-week run of [[How to Succeed In Business Without Really Trying]] on Broadway.

** ...Aspergers?

** [[Berserk Button|Don't say that, not even as a joke!]] First of all, it has been made abundantly clear that Sugar does not have Asperger's. Secondly, a real Aspie probably wouldn't skip class, since it's part of a routine and people with Asperger's are uncomfortable with breaks in their established routine. (Something I can personally attest to.) To the original poster: She probably is showing up to school, but isn't shown very often because she's only tangentially relevant to the plot of the show.

** Sugar has about the same chance as the other background characters of not being around; the writers only have her around when she has something they want her to do. Regarding the Asperger's quip: the point of Sugar's entire character is to poke fun at the kids and their parents alike who try to use certain medical conditions to get around a certain order of things, whether it's true they have it or not. Anything Sugar says or does can also be justified in the same vein as Brittany; it's a comedy show and half the quips aren't meant to be taken seriously.

* I get that Rachel's freaking out when her letter hasn't come, but in what way does not getting into NYADA equate to having no plans and nowhere to go? Especially since earlier in the episode she said she's going to New York either way.

** They may not have done anything technically wrong, but they did do something wrong nonetheless. Sebastian clearly stole the idea out of malice.

* Why was Kurt in Will's Spanish class? In The Substitute, he said he was taking French. He didn't just drop French, did he?

** Most high school students I know don't take two different languages in school, even if they take them in two different years, but a theory I had was that he wanted to improve his NYADA application. There are so many classic plays and musicals originally written in those languages. Being able to speak English, French and Spanish would probably be impressive to the higher ups.

* Why did Rachel even go to Quinn for Finn advice seeing as this is the 2nd time she's done the exact opposite to what she was told?

** [[Truth in Television]]? A lot of people, especially those of the teenage variety will seek out the advice of others and completely disregard it in favor of what they/their hormones want. In this case, I think Rachel genuinely wanted to be talked out of it which is why she sought out Quinn, knowing what her opinion would be after "The First Time" but she was thinking she had no other options and got desperate and did something dumb.

* How the hell did Quinn manage to maintain an A average between all the crazy shit she kept pulling?

** She was back in class and at least pretending to be normal, trying to prove herself to be a fit mother after about a month. She may have had to bust out some extra credit work to play catch up, but nothing terribly hard. Strictly speaking there's nothing to say that Skank Quinn wasn't keeping up with her homework. It's unlikely, I'll admit, but not impossible.

** Moreover, preventing this person from assaulting other people by reporting them to the authorities is more important than you and your team wanting your chance to beat them in a damn choir competition.

* Surprised this hasn't been mentioned before but scratched corneas heal on their own, no need for surgery, and usually in just a few days, not two weeks.

 

== The Spanish Teacher ==

** I just assumed Sue was one of the gym teachers when she's not coaching the Cheerios.

* In what way is Will a great Glee Coach? The team is constantly ill-prepared for competition. He constantly uses the Glee Club to work out his own personal issues. He plays favorites and doesn't even try to hide it. Here it is two weeks out from Regionals and they aren't even trying to get prepared.

* Where is Tina? I've gotten use to her never doing anything interesting on screen and almost never saying anything, but to just not be there? I mean, they at least had the decency to explain why Blaine wasn't there.

** Her actress was sick during filming and they didn't have time to write in a n explination. Ushkowitz was also gone during Black Or White.

**** Uh. They did write a throwaway line for her brief disappearance. Watch the episode "On My Way." Within the first five minutes, Sebastian tells Rachel to drop out of the competition and get sick "from whatever Tina Blowing-Wang just had."

* So because Becky has Down's Syndrome she can only write in Crayon and can't spell? I thought all Becky ever wanted was to be treated like everyone else. So we have the writers making stereotypes about the developmentally disabled right along side Santana calling Shue out about racial stereotypes. Nice [[Broken Aesop]] there, show! Good on ya.

* I'm very confused as to how Will became a Spanish teacher in the first place considering, you know, the fact that he doesn't speak Spanish. Is it Artistic License or is it easy to become a teacher in the United States? Are we supposed to assume that Mc Kinley's highschool is just that bad that they would hire anyone (they did hire Terry as a nurse despite the fact that she had no qualification)? And how can he just switch from being a Spanish teacher to being a history teacher just because the history teacher retired? Do you get a "teacher" diploma and then can teach in any subject?

** In the US, teaching requirements vary by state. In Ohio, you need a license for the appropriate grade level (elementary or secondary), and for secondary teachers, have to pass a competency exam in the subject you want to teach. Even though that just raises the question of how Will passed the exam to teach Spanish when he can barely speak it, it wouldn't be hard for him to switch to history. I've had teachers who switched subjects before.

** Rachel wasn't exactly appealing to Kurt's reasoning there; she was appealing to his emotions in that she wanted him to try and put himself to her situation of getting proposed to (and really, what romantic would say no?), regardless of whether or not any of them are mature enough for it and regardless of the technicalities of the law.

* So the latin music episode has bilingual music fine. But given the fact that this may be the only time we do bilingual episode, you don't want to ever mention that Kurt can sing in French (he can) or that maybe someone's a fan of Gackt or someone? Really? You make me sad.

 

 

* So am I alone in thinking that Rory is lying about being deported? There was just something about their exchange in the Sugar Shack scene when she said she's going to miss him and he seems to have forgotten that he gave her a reason to miss him.

** You're not alone; a lot of people noticed that too. And it is in character with what we've seen so far, since he's basically doing the same thing with her that he did with Brittany in Pot o' Gold. Though this time it seems to be working (so far).

** I don't think it was the smell she was worried about (they could have lit a match or closed the door); I think it was simply the idea of him using her personal toilet that grossed her out.

*** I've been married for seven years and I've never once taken a dump in our bathroom attached to our bedroom right before bed precisely because lighting a match/candle or closing the door don't always work. I guess I just hate the implication that Rachel is being unreasonable in her nighttime routine when it's established that Finn could just go use another bathroom.

* For that matter how does Finn justify getting upset at Rachel for not knowing what Finn is going to be doing in New York when even Finn has no idea what he's going to be doing in New York?

** The writers needed a reason for him to start irrationally shouting at her, and I guess that topic was closest at hand.

** Just because Finn is clueless, it doesn't mean that he's gonna be happy when she reminds him that he has no plan other than "marry Rachel."

* So you remember when Burt got elected to Congress months ago? At what point is he actually going to go do that? Why did they bother holding a special election to replace a deceased Congressman if they person they voted in isn't going to report to Washington until right before the regular election?

** Kurt mentions it in "On My Way". Guess his term still hasn't started.

* Wasn't one of Rachel's two dads, both seen in a picture taped to the inside of her locker in the Pilot episode, black? Re-casting is understandable because they want to flesh out her character's family but...one was definitely black.

** Yeah, they sort of ruined the "We don't know which of my fathers is really my father" joke from the Pilot with the casting as well.

** Brian Stokes Mitchel also identifies as black. On top of this, at least one of the pilot actors was simply a model there for the shoot. Recasting was always supposed to happen.

** If neither Rachel nor her dads know which one is her biological father, it's more believable for her black dad to be light-skinned.

*** Right, but that was supposed to be the joke. That it was painfully obvious which of her fathers was her bio dad.

** First off, the "We don't know which of my fathers is really my father" joke wasn't ruined; the fact that one of them was obviously her real father and that they weren't aware of it WAS the joke. And I'm comfortable with thinking that they retconned both her dads into being white. It's not the greatest choice they could have made, but it's also not the worst thing the show's ever done. I'm not happy with it, but I am at peace with it.

*** Except now it's ''not'' obvious which one is her father. Rachel looks so much like her mother that now that Leroy doesn't have an extremely dark completion, it's entirely credible that he is her father and thus the joke is ruined.

**** That's ''extremely'' unlikely, literally one in a million. Every mixed-race person I know is a moderate shade between their parents' skintones. When the mix is black/white, the end result is usually caramel.

**** It doesn't even matter if it's likely since ''obviously'' the joke relied on the fact that the audience would assume dark!Leroy wasn't her dad. That joke is dead with light!Leroy since the audience is far more likely to just shrug and assume he could be her dad.

 

 

== On My Way ==

** Everyone in this show who isn't Will Schuester or Santana Lopez sucks at blackmail. Fact. My question is what's the point of the blackmail thing if it's just going to get called off ten minutes later? I mean, I get why Sebastian's doing it but I'm not sure why it's in the episode. Is it to provoke yet another Finchel fight?

** Probably [[Rule of Drama|that]] in addition to giving Sebastian another opportunity to [[For the Evulz|twirl his moustache]].

*** But both the fight and the mustache twirling were summarily dropped not even ten minutes into the episode, so once again, pointless.

** Speaking as a former teenager and product of the public high school system it usually doesn't matter how badly the photo is doctored so long as it's embarrassing enough. Hell, this even came up in an episode of [[Great Teacher Onizuka]], no one cared that the picture wasn't real because it was so completely over-the-top humiliating.

*** And we've recently got a new continuity, where Kurt and Rachel would never stoop to below their opponents level. We haven't dealt with Crack-house Rachel since she decided Finn was God.

*** It's entirely possible that Kurt and Rachel have actually ''matured'' since then.

**** I suppose it's possible, 18yr old Quinn was pretty reckless and crazy until later that year when she turned 17.

* Who taught Quinn to drive? If you can't avoid texting while driving, at least hold the phone to the wheel so that you can see what's going on.

** I said "If you can't avoid it." It's obviously never a ''good'' idea. And my point is that you should never take your eyes off the road regardless of what else is going on inside your car.

*** The way the other car just rammed into hers, it seems like it was running a red light and, being as distracted as she was trying to get there as quickly as possible, I don't think the accident could have been avoided. Unless she was maybe running a yellow and the other car wasn't paying attention and even then it's still not ''entirely'' her fault.

**** Kurt is forgetting that Quinn's family ''did'' stop loving her. They put her out with no care about how their teenage daughter or her unborn child would get by. Quinn's mom only changed her mind when her husband left her (which becomes [[Fridge Horror]] if she only let Quinn back in because she couldn't cope with being completely alone).

***** Yes, but she still had people lining up to help her out when she was going through a hard time, be it Finn's mom, Puck's family, Mercedes welcoming her into her home, or the ''entire glee club'' supporting her and telling her how much they loved her. Karofsky was abandoned by all his friends (who then promptly started bullying him), his own mother claimed he was diseased and needed to be cured, and even Kurt, the one person he thought he could rely on when there was no one else, ignoring his calls. It is ''not'' the same situation, not by a long shot.

****** But Kurt is just bringing an undeniable fact, you can't argue with that. The world didn't stop loving Quinn, and it's not about undermining her suffering, but she always had someone holding her back, regardless if she brought this up on herself. She had people there for her, Karofsky didn't, he had only Kurt to turn to and he was avoiding him because his declaration of love (Because Kurt had even offered Dave his friendship the previous episode, meaning that Kurt considers their past history, that: the past) But, even beyond Karofsky and Quinn's contexts, Kurt's words remain simple truth, beyond the reasons, he had no one there to call a friend in his time of need. It's not about if he deserved it or if it was something karmic, it's just stating the fact that he had no one.

* So the parents were willing to play along with this reverse psychology plan up to and including buying a wedding dress and six matching bridesmaid dresses and renting seven tuxes. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars there. That seems a bit excessive for a wedding they have no intention of letting happen.

* Also, how does Quinn have a bridesmaid dress that just so happens to fit her perfectly that she can just go pick up on a moment's notice which also just so happens to match everyone else's?

** If the ''Glee'' wiki is any indication, there was supposed to be a scene where the girls got fitted for dresses; it was probably cut for running time.

** Figgins is like the [[Rule of Drama]] made flesh. Nothing he does makes sense outside of facilitating some dramatic scenario for the Glee club.

** I recall Figgins being in only one scene this episode, in which he's in his office with the other teachers, discussing the issue. I don't think it was stated or even implied that Figgins was responsible for the students knowing about Dave. It's actually implied that they found out online, because students from the other school started posting comments on Dave's facebook. Also, it's not uncommon for schools to do things like bring in more councelers, hold an assembly, or even have some kind of ceremony in honor of the deceased student. If the school already knows, it makes perfect sense for Figgins to have the issue adressed in some way.

*** Problem is that the initial established backstory was that Finn's father died in the Gulf War. Finn is a senior in high school so he would have been born around 1995. Since the Gulf War ended in 1991, it was a ''HUGE'' plothole. Less [[Rule of Drama]] than [[Rull Of Oh Wait We Goofed]].

**** Well, Finn wasn't he junior when the show started in 2009? He could have been 17 then and would have been born in 1992, which makes the numbers add up a little bit better. He could also have been held back in kindergarten or something because A, he's not that bright and B, [[Dawson Casting|he looks a lot older than he should]].

**** Um, I admit I don't follow the show as I used to, so correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't established in the first season that Finn's dad "died" at the Iraq war? Or that has been retconed as well?

**** Not retconned. Carol explicitly admitted that it was a lie she told Finn when he was a child so that he wouldn't think less of his father. In reality, Finn's dad came home a [[Shell-Shocked Veteran]] addicted to drugs, left his family, and died of an overdose in Cincinnati.

**** That's what a retcon IS. Bringing in new "information" to discredit and change previously established continuity (hence the Ret part of retroactive continuity).

**** It's only a retcon if it contradicts previously established information with no explanation. If Finn's dad was changed into a police officer as if his military career never happened, that'd be a retcon. Carole fessing up that he didn't die in the Gulf War is a ''revelation'', since it was a lie within the context of the story. There's a difference.

** ^ Just nitpicking, but the tire stunt was in retaliation for VA vandalizing the choir room, before the egging. The "revenge" for the egging was to do a funk number. Being Glee, it somehow worked.

* Are the Troubletones all ND members, or just for one sequence?

** Because some of them are dating seniors?

*** Only Tina is. Artie and Quinn aren't dating, Blaine isn't there and Sugar and Rory are dating ''each other'', so they shouldn't be there.

** My guess is that 7 weeks passed in real time and they wanted to focus more on Quinn getting used to being paralyzed rather than the direct aftermath of the accident. But I agree that Cooper added nothing to the overall plot and felt like another gratuitous guest appearance.

* What was up with the ending to this episode? It seems like a total downer. Was that necessary?

**** ...I'm going with this one.

*** Judging from the dejected look she gave after Brittany tried and failed to get her to dance, I'm going to say that she stayed away from the heavily dance-focused week because it was too hard for her.

** There's also the fact that Akron is a [[Dying Town|Rust Belt city]], meaning most families with money live in the suburbs, so it's ''extremely'' unlikely that an inner-city public school would have the exorbitant budget Vocal Adrenaline has. A seemingly-minor nitpick, but it just goes to show that the writers don't actually know Ohio and are just picking names off a map.

* I never get annoyed at this, but the fact that they have a heavily choregraphed (at the end) performance of Night Fever out of nowhere confuses me. Usually when they just all break into song the dances are more free form that anything, and even at times they're just kinda doing their own thing. Also, if they hate disco how did they all manage to figure out not only the words but the notes to the final chorus of Night Fever?

** For that matter how are we supposed to believe that Finn is ever going to get into a fairly competitive program like that when he has literally nothing to get him there. His grades are presumably just good enough to stay eligible for extra-curriculars. He didn't even try out for either Cabaret sophomore year or West Side Story senior year. He briefly work shopped for a production Rocky Horror that never got staged, and he didn't even ''earn'' that role. And now he's going to go to The Actor's Studio? Yeah, right.

* Here's a Headscratcher for you, who's the brunette hanging all over Finn in the auditorium offering to put his non-existent dreams ahead of hers, because she's sure as hell not Rachel Berry? Rachel Berry is a determined ambitious girl with a dream that she's had since toddlerhood, and that dream was New York... also Rachel Berry can sing better than that.

** In this case, Jesse's just stupid, he didn't even realize he had to attend the classes he had to go to the office of the registrar to get into (ok, I just went to college, no idea if it's the same elsewhere)

** There were undoubtedly pre-printed programs listing all the members of the performing Glee Clubs and since Unique was the clearly intended lead of the performance, the name Wade Adams would most certainly be at the forefront. Maybe not a dead give away to everyone in the audience, but plenty of people would get it. And yes, Jesse is book dumb but he's not show choir dumb. There's no way he would demand that a performer leave the stage in the middle of a song, maybe between songs, but not during a song, so yeah, more bad writing.

*** Is it me, or are tropers a little too quick to jump on the "bad writing" bandwagon? Just watch the performance and Jesse's body language. His initial reaction was to pull Unique off the stage, but once he saw her kicking ass and everyone loving it, he quietly reconsidered.

*** It may just be an automatic reaction to Jesse, who as a character (like Figgins) often seems to exist for the sole purpose of having the more logical fans tear their hair out in clumps.

*** How about this then, Vocal Adrenaline has a very active (and one assumes, involved) Booster Club which likely knows who is in the club, especially those who are good enough to be featured performers like Wade/Unique, some of whom probably won't take kindly to Jesse/VA putting a trans person in a featured performance.

* How was Vocal Adrenaline able to pull off "Boogie Shoes" (a funk number) when it was said in season one (in "Funk") that they wern't able to pull off funk numbers ?

** Because he just watched Saturday Night Fever in which Tony Manero wants to go to Manhattan and make something of himself. This is what Finn does. He sees Burt being a mechanic and he wants to be a mechanic. He looks at pictures of his father in his fatigues and he wants to be a soldier. He rides along with Puck on a pool cleaning job and he wants to clean pools. Now he wants to be Tony Manero and wants to go to The Actor's Studio (which he can't because it's a graduate level program). Finn doesn't know how to dream, he just echoes everyone around him.

* Kurt and Rachel want to go to NYADA. Finn wants to go to The Actor's Studio. Quinn wants to go to Yale. Why is it that money never seems to be an issue for any of these kids when it comes to planning for college? Their families can't all be rolling in money and it isn't as though any of them have jobs. Having your dreams is one thing, but having the resources available is completely another matter, especially when things like college and the associated tuition, books, room and board, etc costs come into play.

** Student loans, federal and otherwise. Also, grants and scholarships. Frankly, if someone has the drive and determination, money isn't an issue. They will still have to pay at some point, but a life time of happiness is worth the debt. Also, typically collages will have some form of housing and food program available on-campus. Books and supplies while not covered per say in tuition are often times factored into any student loans a student may wish to take out and so a student will get a little extra to cover books and such.

 

 

== Dance With Somebody ==

*** Do you get mad about the opposite stance that's seen in a lot of media? There's more out there preaching abstinence than Glee's stance. And one makes a lot more sense than the other, to be honest. Plus, Sam is one character and he's flawed as all Glee characters are. What he said wasn't portrayed as true and good and gospel, it was portrayed as something he said that the other character took to heart (because he is also flawed). A character saying something doesn't make that the creator's belief.

**** As a matter of fact, yes I do. I hate the preachy, close-minded "my way or the highway, I am right and everyone who thinks differently is wrong" attitude no matter what viewpoint it is attached to. (And for the record, I think abstinence-is-the-best-answer messages are awful and dangerous. I am in favor of comprehensive sex education, widespread availability of contraception, etc. My personal choices are not indicative of what I believe everyone else should do; they're simply what fits best for me and my personal situation in life.) Both sides of the argument have valid points and both deserve to be respected and presented in a plain, unbiased way. Also, to reply to your last point, I would believe that his words weren't what Glee as a general rule tries to say, if it was inconsistent with what the show usually says about abstinence whenever the issue comes up, but that isn't the case. Any time abstinence gets mentioned it's treated like something that's somehow unhealthy and wrong. (Example: the scene in the second season when Gwyneth Paltrow's character calls Rachel "frigid" and is never called out for it. Or the episode this season when Artie tells Rachel and Blaine that they NEED to have sex, and him saying so is never treated as being out of line and unnecessary.) I just would appreciate it if the abstinence viewpoint, no matter the reason someone has for holding it, was afforded a little more of that openmindness that Glee claims to love so much.

** When did they imply that marriage=children? Because Will personally wants kids at some point in his life? That hardly speaks for the other married couples or single parents on the show. And not all the relationships included sex (Tina and Artie, Quinn's romances except Puck, Rachel and Jesse, etc). I'd argue that teenage girls are ''constantly'' hearing from the media and society that they're sluts if they give up their V-card before marriage. It's refreshing that someone is saying ''No, you're not.'' It's not an attack against you and your beliefs, it's an attack on the idea that abstinence is the only option.

* Again, where is Sugar? This makes two weeks in a row that she hasn't been there without even the slightest explanation.

*** I understand that but in-story it makes no sense for the character to miss two weeks of school without explanation. Mike and Matt did virtually nothing in the story for all of season one, Harry and Dijon were guest stars and yet they were there every episode except when the plot needed Matt out for the Rachel/Schue thing in "Ballads". It wouldn't be an issue if they'd just mention that she was off on vacation with her rich dad or whatever, but they don't.

* As far as Kurt is concerned, Blaine is going to be coming to New York every weekend? Uh... who's going to be paying for that? Blaine's not exactly rolling in money for plane tickets, and it's a 10-hour drive. And it seems profoundly unfair to make him do all of the traveling, too, especially considering Kurt is leaving family behind.

** The same way they bounce all over Ohio without a care to travel times or gas money?

How did they do a Whitney Houston show without doing her biggest hit, "I will always love you"? Is it because the song wasn't written by her?

** It was because they already had Mercedes sing it in "Heart".

* Am I missing previous signs, or did the domestic violence come COMPLETELY out of nowhere? It's not like I follow the show for the quality writing or anything, but is domestic violence really the only way the writers could come up with to make Beiste's character relevant again?

** Au contraire, mon ami. They wanted to do something with domestic violence (remember that Glee lately is a preachfest), and Beiste's character was the best uhm... candidate they could find for the role of abused woman.

** The apology wasn't because she didn't tell them, it's because she lied about it, which was setting a bad example for the kids.

* Wait, she warned the girls about not informing about their '''boyfriend''' being abusive while she was talking to '''[[Lipstick Lesbian|Santana]]''' and '''[[Bi the Way|Brittany]]'''?

** People do tend to wait to the last moment to explode.

** Yeah, she was pretty clearly acting out of anger. Longstanding frustrations just sort of bubbled over when Rachel was given yet another solo. I seriously doubt there was any sort of thought process to it.

** Mike didn't necessarily disagree with Tina, he most likely felt that a week before Nationals was not the best time for this.

 

** Indeed. It was a rather [[Family-Unfriendly Aesop]] that New York and LA are the only cities in the country worth pursuing your dreams in. Santana threw away a '''full-ride scholarship''' in a big city for absolutely no reason other than the fact that some of her friends are going to New York and LA, even though she never stated any desire to go to either.

*** If she wants to be a singer/actress/showbiz type (which is what appears to be the case), there's not much to do in Kentucky.

* So... Kurt [[Crowning Music of Awesome|blows his audition out of the water]]... and doesn't get in. Rachel chokes ''twice'', then ''harasses the head of NYADA''... and gets in. What. The. '''''[[Precision F-Strike|FUCK!!!]]'''''

** Obviously we needed [[Romantic Plot Tumor|another catalyst for Finn and Rachel to break up again. And that also means more Klaine for everyone!]] [[Sarcasm Mode|Because there's no way Klaine could have been a long-distance relationship, or anything.]]

** Sorry, it still makes no damned sense outside of [[Rule of Drama]]. If youve got two applicants from a rinky dink school and one of them chokes twice and the other one blows the audition out of the water then choosing the choker because she's persistent doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

** It wasn't an either or thing. It wasn't picking one person from this school over the other. It was picking a girl who was in 14 clubs, the lead in the school play, captain of the National Champion Glee Club with great grades who refused to give up on her dreams. Her pig headed determination to succeed in spite of initial rejection set her apart from a huge field of candidates. They probably saw a hundred auditions with people as talented as Kurt and Rachel musically, but how many of them showed the determination to make it that Rachel did? Talent alone is not always enough to make it in show business and it stands to reason that it's not the only qualifier for admission to NYADA.

* The breakup... WHY?! It! Makes! No! Sense! Did Finn just lose every bit of his self esteem? What happened to them being attached at the hip for the last 13 (?) months?!

** What happened is that the writers loved us all along! Well, loved the ones who never liked Finchel. Clearly the whole marriage thing was just a setup to make their breakup all the more sweet.

*** Secondly, since at this point everyone in the Glee cast has swung wildly back and forth from [[Complete Monster]] to [[Big Damn Hero]] several times, it's pretty easy to claim misogyny if you look at only the qualities of the female cast. But let's look at the boys: Finn is a hypocritical dumb jock and a cheater - with no dreams or aspirations of his own until recently, Puck is a cheater who impregnated his best friend's girlfriend and is otherwise motivated largely by his junk, Artie is a manipulative straw misogynist (whenever they need him to be), Will Shuster is a ineffectual spinelesss man child, Figgins is no doubt the cause of many a broken TV. Jesse is literally a villain [[For The Evuls]], Kurt, as much as I like him is manipulative and petty, Puck's dad is a deadbeat, Finn's dad is a drug addict. Quinn's Dad is a hypocritical cheater. There's the original coach who was so pathetic and morally bankrupt, he was willing to manipulate a woman into marriage by preying on her insecurities, and on and on....Christ, now they've added a ''wife beater'' to the mix.

*** Yes, all of those guys have all of those negative qualities but the difference is that with the exception of Quinn and Puck's Dads and Cooter, the show still wants us to see them as good people. Finn is almost constantly played as the hero despite his actions. Puck has the entire club rally around him so that he can graduate (which no one does for Brittany) and gets his whole horrible history with Quinn retconned in the last episode. Kurt gets to say horrible things about everyone without ever apologizing and we're still expected root for him. Finn's dad is a drug addict but the show wants us to believe that he was still a good man (which I don't necessarily disagree with) what with Finn trying to get his discharge status reversed and joining the army to honor/redeem him. Will is incompetent and spineless and yet he was just named Teacher of the Year and he's marrying the woman of his dreams despite the terrible way he treats her.

*** The difference being those women have changed and grown into better people and thus ''earned'' their redemption. The guys all get their hero moments just by virtue of their supposed awesomeness.

*** That said, even if Finn's actions weren't chauvinistic (and that's open to debate), they were still paternalistic. He was acting more like a parent than a partner. Many would probably feel that he should have consulted Rachel about this, and shouldn't have deceived her.

*** Speaking as someone who does ''not'' like Finn whatsoever, I have to say I understand why he did what he did, at least the waiting until the last minute to tell her he was joining the army thing and breaking up with her for her own good (definitely not the shoving her onto a train ''alone'' right after part, that was no me gusta). He's found something that means something to him personally, something he really wants to do and he's already tried to do it once before and gotten talked out of it. He knows she's against him doing it and he knows if he gives her a chance, she'll probably talk him out of it again, so he's plays it close to the vest and only tells her at the last minute. He knows it could be years before they ever see each other again, so he doesn't want her waiting on him to come back and limiting herself. The putting her on a train to spend the next eight or so hours alone and miserable about their break-up, pretty shitty. The rest of it though, I get.

** They haven't mentioned it again since his first appearance but originally they said that Sam was dyslexic and that he struggled with his grades so it's entirely possible that he was held back a year in school before they figured out that he had a learning disorder, in which case he would be 18 and still a Junior. Or, y'know it was a complete [[Ass Pull]] so that they were only graduating half of the Glee Club instead of most of it.

 

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