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** Rachel: Self-centered [[Jerkass]] who occasionally [[Pet the Dog|displays kindness to other people]] or a well-intentioned girl who only wants the Glee club to be successful, but tends to go too far in pursuit of that goal and fails to think before she speaks/acts?

* [[Anvilicious]]: Since the list was getting ridiculous, we now have a whole [[Glee/Theme|separate page]] dedicated to listing every episode's hard-to-miss theme.

* [[Arc Fatigue]]: Some people feel that the Dalton ~~arc--when~~ Kurt transferred to Dalton Academy to get away from ~~bullying--was~~ drawn out too long, and that Kurt was being [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad|overshadowed by Blaine and the Warblers in his own storyline]]. It was ''supposed'' to make a point about gay bullying, but for the most part amounted to little more than a few [[~~Big Lipped Alligator Moment|big lipped~~ ~~alligator~~ ~~moments~~]] and [[Yaoi]] scenes. According to [[Word of God]], the Warblers were only supposed to appear for two episodes of the second season, but their immense popularity led to them staying on the show much longer, possibly into the third season. Until "Born This Way", when Kurt finally returned to McKinley, it felt entirely possible that he would be staying there indefinitely.

* [[Arc Fatigue]]: Some people feel that the Dalton arc—when Kurt transferred to Dalton Academy to get away from bullying—was drawn out too long, and that Kurt was being [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad|overshadowed by Blaine and the Warblers in his own storyline]]. It was ''supposed'' to make a point about gay bullying, but for the most part amounted to little more than a few [[Non Sequitur Scene]]s and [[Yaoi]] scenes. According to [[Word of God]], the Warblers were only supposed to appear for two episodes of the second season, but their immense popularity led to them staying on the show much longer, possibly into the third season. Until "Born This Way", when Kurt finally returned to McKinley, it felt entirely possible that he would be staying there indefinitely.

** Which makes this a case of [[Frige Brilliance]]: it emphasizes how being in McKinley stresses his individuality, instead of being part of the Warblers, who are extremely coordinated and sticklers to tradition.

* [[Ascended Fanon]]: The creators have admitted that the idea of Brittany/Santana as a serious, [[Official Couple]] started with the fans, that they never planned for them to be more than a one-off joke until they saw that the fans wanted more.

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** Even before his first appearance on the show, [[All Gays Are Promiscuous|Sebastian]] [[Fan Nickname|Warbler]] already had people who knew about him divided, especially the Klaine fandom.

*** Looking to get even worse since ''Michael'', with the fandom now debating as to whether his character can be redeemed or not.

* [[~~Big~~ ~~Lipped~~ ~~Alligator Moment~~]]:

* [[Non Sequitur Scene]]:

** At one point the club is performing one of their songs onstage in front of a closed curtain. At the climax of the song, the curtain opens and an ''entire gospel choir is revealed'' and sings along with the cast. This is never brought up again.

** "Make 'em Laugh" from "The Substitute" was just a dream sequence Will had from being sick and watching ''[[Singin' in the Rain|Singin in The Rain]]'' too much.

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** While the Aesop in "Blame it on the Alcohol" was good, the kids most likely threw up onstage not because they were drunk but because what they drank contained [[Gargle Blaster|various remnants of Rachel's dads' liquor cabinet, kool-aid]], [[Squick|cough syrup, and crumbled up oreos]]. Many believe the episode to be a [[Spoof Aesop]] that's been [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|thinly disguised to appease the network.]]

** Another one in "Blame it on the Alcohol": Kurt says that bisexuality is a myth used by people who are afraid of being "totally gay," and Blaine calls him out on it. In the end, Blaine realizes that he isn't actually bi because he has no chemistry with Rachel. So bisexuality isn't a shield to hide your gayness, it's just brought on by drunkeness!

** Many of Quinn's storylines appear to be ~~this--she~~ creates the "Glist" to regain her popularity or something even though she knows exactly how it feels to be teased and ostracized, as she was when she was pregnant. And then in "Born This Way," it's revealed she {{spoiler|used to be overweight and "ugly" and was mocked for it, so [[I Just Want to Be Beautiful|she lost weight, got a nose job,]] [[Do Not Call Me Paul|and changed her name]]}}. Instead of learning from this how it feels to be bullied, she instead bullies others for exactly those same shallow reasons. And when Lauren reveals the truth about her to the school to hurt her chances for prom queen, they [[Completely Missing the Point|completely miss the point]] and suddenly love her because she was once "one of them." Never mind the fact that she's now beautiful and a heinous bitch. And this is in the episode about embracing your imperfections.

** Many of Quinn's storylines appear to be this—she creates the "Glist" to regain her popularity or something even though she knows exactly how it feels to be teased and ostracized, as she was when she was pregnant. And then in "Born This Way," it's revealed she {{spoiler|used to be overweight and "ugly" and was mocked for it, so [[I Just Want to Be Beautiful|she lost weight, got a nose job,]] [[Do Not Call Me Paul|and changed her name]]}}. Instead of learning from this how it feels to be bullied, she instead bullies others for exactly those same shallow reasons. And when Lauren reveals the truth about her to the school to hurt her chances for prom queen, they [[Completely Missing the Point|completely miss the point]] and suddenly love her because she was once "one of them." Never mind the fact that she's now beautiful and a heinous bitch. And this is in the episode about embracing your imperfections.

** Many feel that the bullying storyline became this when Kurt moved to Dalton and met [[Mary Sue|Blaine]], because most bullied kids don't have that option.

** There seems to even be one in-story in "Born This Way". The word Will writes on the board is acceptance and then tells the kids to make t-shirts about things that make them different and special that they should embrace because they can't change, and most of the kids do that but Will tells Emma that her shirt should have been about her OCD, and while she does need to admit that she's OCD, it's not something that she should just accept because it can be changed and in Emma's case it really needs to change because her OCD is having severe effects on her ability to live her life.

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** Over Artie's relationship with Brittany, and whether the show has done enough to develop it beyond a [[Crack Pairing]]. Some think they are quite sweet together, while others think that it's still just a lazy attempt at [[Pair the Spares]]. And that's not even getting into what the [[Yuri Fan|Brittana shippers]] [[Die for Our Ship|have to say about it]]...

** There is something of a battle over Kurt's portrayal. His [[Camp Gay]] persona is quite controversial: as the show is so popular, many believe that it gives a bad representation of gays to the mainstream as ''[[Will and Grace]]'' did years ago. Others believe that having an openly gay character who is neither [[Invisible to Gaydar]] nor the least bit ashamed is a good thing.

** The [[Gay Aesop~~|Gay Aesops~~]] of Season 2 also came under fire. There was either too many making them [[Anvilicious]] or it was perfectly justified since [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped]].

** The [[Gay Aesop]]s of Season 2 also came under fire. There was either too many making them [[Anvilicious]] or it was perfectly justified since [[Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped]].

** There's been a huge debate already on the scene in "Mash-Off" where {{spoiler|Finn outs Santana}} in response to her incessant teasing. Some say that Santana backed Finn into a corner and so it was only human that he would lash out with the only thing that would make Santana stop. Others say that as awful as Santana was, {{spoiler|outing her}} for that is [[Disproportionate Retribution]] and never, ever justifiable. Then there's the middle-ground, where they admit that what Finn did was completely wrong but he can't have anticipated where it would lead (to the {{spoiler|political ad that uses her lesbianism to bash Sue}}). It gets ugly no matter which position you take.

*** That's not to mention the following episode. Many people believe that Finn was very [[Easily Forgiven]] and that an episode that ''should'' have been focused on {{spoiler|Britanny and Santana's relationship}} was instead focused on Finn for no real reason. The one ''given'' by Finn was that Santana was the one who took his virginity, so [[Ass Pull|he allegedly selflessly cares about the fact that her not being out is hurting her emotionally.]] Never mind the fact that [[Discontinuity|in the prior episode]], he just seemed to have been pushed to the edge by Santana's [[Hollywood Pudgy|verbal attacks on his weight]] so he wanted to get back at her.

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* [[Fan Dumb]]: While it may seem like a theater/band geek/ misfit paradise, the forum shows us that a vast majority of fans take the show more seriously than most school work, or in some cases, actual work. Flame wars get started over comments about a character's clothing, a throwaway comment that was played for laughs, song choice, and even seating positions. Numerous thread topics revolve around arguing about [[Darren Criss]] being a good actor or not, more topics have become pissing contests on who knows more about Broadway, and there is even a thread claiming The Beatles "aren't that good" and ''Glee'' made their songs better. It's not a wonder that the fans are often more hated than the show itself.

** Kurt's fan base may or may not be the biggest, but it's certainly the most...let's just say "dedicated" and leave it at that.

** There's also the Kurt fandom's [[Distaff Counterpart]], the [[Yuri Fan|Brittana fangirls]]. During the second season, they became known on fan sites as [[Windmill Crusader~~|Windmill Crusaders~~]] for constantly complaining about being oppressed by some hidden mass of Bartie fans - when, in fact, Brittana has always been the [[Fan-Preferred Couple]] and it was fan pressure that encouraged the creators to bring ''them'' together. There are also the Faberry shippers who, while mostly a not-so-serious bunch, can produce some really scary types who try to argue that Quinn/Rachel should count as a ''canon'' couple...

** There's also the Kurt fandom's [[Distaff Counterpart]], the [[Yuri Fan|Brittana fangirls]]. During the second season, they became known on fan sites as [[Windmill Crusader]]s for constantly complaining about being oppressed by some hidden mass of Bartie fans - when, in fact, Brittana has always been the [[Fan-Preferred Couple]] and it was fan pressure that encouraged the creators to bring ''them'' together. There are also the Faberry shippers who, while mostly a not-so-serious bunch, can produce some really scary types who try to argue that Quinn/Rachel should count as a ''canon'' couple...

** Some of the [[Darren Criss|Blaine fangirls]] seem to be of the opinion that Blaine can do absolutely no wrong and that Kurt is unworthy of [[Marty Stu|Blaine]].

*** Conversely, [[Fan Nickname|Kurtsies]] think that ''Blaine'' doesn't deserve ''Kurt'' because the former is a contradictory jackass who's ruining [[The Woobie|Kurt's]] life.

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** In [[Todd in the Shadows]] review of "Bad Romance", he compared Lady Gaga's evolution to Britney Spears and Madonna. These three are all the women so far with episodes centered around them, with recurrer Justin Bieber to be the only man to hold the title. Well except for Bruno Mars but the episode was not advertised at such.

*** For added fun, in that same video he psyches himself up by saying "courage".

** The study group in [[Community]] encounters the Glee club, an [[Expy]] for the cast of ''Glee''. After the study group defeats them, Jeff tells them "Write some original songs!" In February of 2011, it was announced that Glee would be doing an episode with original songs.

** The study group in [[Community]] encounters the Glee club, an [[Expy]] for the cast of ''Glee''. After the study group defeats them, Jeff tells them "Write some original songs!" In February 2011, it was announced that Glee would be doing an episode with original songs.

** Not to mention that the Glee club in ''[[Community]]'' is introduced by singing "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" to attract people during a paintball game and take them out, and ''Glee'' will use the very same song, mashed up with "One Way Or Another", in a similar situation during a game of dodgeball.

** Actress Amber Riley was turned down for ''[[American Idol]]'' (as in, didn't even make it on TV) before being picked up for ''Glee'', which will probably net her more fame than ''AI'' ever would.

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** In the Season Two premier "Audition", Brittany states instead of being on vacation during the summer as previously believed, she had actually spent the summer lost in the sewers. Later, in the episode "Sexy", Santana tells Brittany that their hook-ups don't constitute cheating because the plumbing is different.

** It should be acknowledged that ''many'' of these occur because the writers make things up as they go ~~along--several~~ plot points (i.e. {{spoiler|Santana [[Suddenly Sexuality|being a lesbian]] and the [[Crack Pairing|Puck/Lauren ship]]}}) were not even dreamed of at the time of those lines being spoken.

** It should be acknowledged that ''many'' of these occur because the writers make things up as they go along—several plot points (i.e. {{spoiler|Santana [[Suddenly Sexuality|being a lesbian]] and the [[Crack Pairing|Puck/Lauren ship]]}}) were not even dreamed of at the time of those lines being spoken.

*** Which is why they're considered an example of this trope rather than [[Foreshadowing]].

** In "Mattress", Dave Karofsky is defacing a yearbook picture of the Glee club. If the picture's turned upside down, it looks like he's drawn a heart over Kurt's picture (it seems he was going for breasts). Yeah, it's most likely a teenage boy who has no drawing talent, but considering what we eventually find out...

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** Sue is this for many people since she preached against bullying even though she's one of the most vicious ones herself.

* [[Idiosyncratic Ship Naming]]: Fans of the pairing Quinn and Artie often refer to them as "Wheels + Preggers" due to episodes based around their conditions being named that, though to be fair they are also referred to as Quartie and Quarter.

* [[Idiot Plot]]: The entire fight between Kurt, Finn, and Burt in "Theatricality". Kurt for being too caught up in his ridiculous fantasy to accept that Finn is straight and going to insane lengths to be close to him, Finn for completely failing to articulate the very real [[~~Squick|squickiness~~]] of Kurt's harassment without using a slur and attacking Kurt's homosexuality specifically, and Burt for jumping into the fight without listening to anything other than a single word Finn used.

* [[Idiot Plot]]: The entire fight between Kurt, Finn, and Burt in "Theatricality". Kurt for being too caught up in his ridiculous fantasy to accept that Finn is straight and going to insane lengths to be close to him, Finn for completely failing to articulate the very real [[squick]]iness of Kurt's harassment without using a slur and attacking Kurt's homosexuality specifically, and Burt for jumping into the fight without listening to anything other than a single word Finn used.

** Most of the episodes in Season 3 have ''at least'' one of these.

* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: Every single character depending on your viewpoint is either this or just a [[Jerkass]].

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** And as of "Goodbye", it's turned into ''[[High School Musical]]'': ''The Cover Edition''.

* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]: "Audition" seems to set up an intense rivalry between Quinn and Santana over the position of Head Cheerleader, including the famous catfight in the hallway, which seems like it will be a big deal that season (confirmed by the creators' comments). Nothing comes of it. Quinn offhandedly mentions she needs to keep Santana off her back in "Duets", but nothing to this effect has ever been seen on screen, and, so far, nothing else has come of what initially appeared to be a pretty significant plot development.

** The Dalton Arc could have been a legitimately interesting side-plot by showing how Blaine's conflict over "running away" drives him to overcompensate in misguided attempts to help Kurt. Instead, Blaine barely got ''any'' characterization because 1) the writers kept [[Pandering to the Base]] of rabid [[Yaoi Fangirl~~|Yaoi Fangirls~~]], and 2) at least ''half'' of the Dalton scenes were songs. [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|And not even relevant ones.]]

** The Dalton Arc could have been a legitimately interesting side-plot by showing how Blaine's conflict over "running away" drives him to overcompensate in misguided attempts to help Kurt. Instead, Blaine barely got ''any'' characterization because 1) the writers kept [[Pandering to the Base]] of rabid [[Yaoi Fangirl]]s, and 2) at least ''half'' of the Dalton scenes were songs. [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|And not even relevant ones.]]

** Dave Karofsky's suicide attempt for sure, because of the Klaine [[Fan Dumb]] and the writers' [[They Just Didn't Care]] attitude. Hell, they didn't even ''mention it'' '''in the [["Previously On..."]] in the episode after it'''.

** "Big Brother" definitely has this problem. They had a plot perfectly set up in {{spoiler|Quinn's car crash aftermath}} which ended up being almost completely sidelined in favor of bringing in drama with Blaine and his brother.

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** Kurt's behavior in "Blame it on the Alcohol". Being upset that the guy you have a crush on is going on a date with a girl? That's one thing. Stating that bisexuality doesn't exist and how any guy who says that they're bi are really just closeted? And then being validated at the end of the episode? That's another thing entirely.

*** Not to mention that Ryan Murphy said that 'gay kids need to see Blaine is one of their own'. [[Unfortunate Implications]] of bisexual kids not mattering at their finest.

** In "Born This Way", even after Quinn learned to accept herself for who she really is (as implied by her "Lucy Caboosey" t-shirt during the performance)she still proved to be a massive bitch who bullies other people for exactly the same things that she hated about herself. She sort of learned [[Broken Aesop|half of the lesson]] and skipped the rest. And then there was that weird thing where those random girls ([[~~Big~~ ~~Lipped~~ ~~Alligator Moment~~|who all dress alike, for whatever reason]]) suddenly declared their approval and liking of her because she used to be "one of them" (i.e. fat and "ugly" by society's standards), even though she's still an incredibly mean person inside.

** In "Born This Way", even after Quinn learned to accept herself for who she really is (as implied by her "Lucy Caboosey" t-shirt during the performance)she still proved to be a massive bitch who bullies other people for exactly the same things that she hated about herself. She sort of learned [[Broken Aesop|half of the lesson]] and skipped the rest. And then there was that weird thing where those random girls ([[Non Sequitur Scene|who all dress alike, for whatever reason]]) suddenly declared their approval and liking of her because she used to be "one of them" (i.e. fat and "ugly" by society's standards), even though she's still an incredibly mean person inside.

** Many people online decried Mercedes and Sam's relationship as "unrealistic" because "Sam would never be interested in a girl like Mercedes." There are plenty of valid reasons to agree or disagree with the pairing, but when people fall on that, either they're saying that Sam is shallow and racist, or ''they're'' somewhat shallow and racist. It's worth noting that none of these people seem to think that the relationship is unrealistic due to ''Mercedes'' not being interested in a boy like ''Sam''.

** In "Pot o' Gold", the bullying of the Irish student seems too tastelessly reminiscent of the Phoebe Prince bullyings that lead to her suicide.