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** Finn. Considering that [[Karma Houdini|he suffers no real consequences]] for cheating on Quinn by kissing Rachel, being complicit in Quinn cheating on Sam [[Hypocrite|''after'' telling Rachel he would never forgive her for cheating on him with Puck and making her feel horrible about it]], or yelling at Quinn to stand up and show everyone how much of a bitch she is before attacking Joe when Joe tries to get him to stop pulling Quinn out of her wheelchair, it becomes difficult to see him as the hero the show makes him out to be.
** Finn. Considering that [[Karma Houdini|he suffers no real consequences]] for cheating on Quinn by kissing Rachel, being complicit in Quinn cheating on Sam [[Hypocrite|''after'' telling Rachel he would never forgive her for cheating on him with Puck and making her feel horrible about it]], or yelling at Quinn to stand up and show everyone how much of a bitch she is before attacking Joe when Joe tries to get him to stop pulling Quinn out of her wheelchair, it becomes difficult to see him as the hero the show makes him out to be.
** Kurt. The fact that [[Word of God|Ryan Murphy]] [[Author Avatar|created the character specifically to play up Chris Colfer's strengths after seeing something of himself in the young actor]] means that [[Jerkass]] things Kurt says often go unchecked, and there are many cases where logic takes a backseat so that he is never wrong. He feels like crap when people go around telling him his sexual orientation is something he chooses because he knows it's a part of him he cannot change, [[Manipulative Bastard|but that sure didn't stop him from using his knowledge of what Finn likes in girls to give Rachel a makeover that goes against those things]]... [[Hypocrite|in an attempt to sell him on the idea of relations with the masculine sex]]. The fact that he goes as far as to tell Rachel that [[Lack of Empathy|she should be ''thanking'' him for it just shows that Kurt didn't feel the slightest discomfort about setting Rachel up like that]], and being reminded that she will always have a better chance "because [she's] a girl" does little to convince him that he has even failed since Kurt automatically attributes it to [[Never My Fault|them ''both'' being distractions for Finn]]. Finn eventually does lose his temper and calls Kurt out on his refusal to just accept [[Incompatible Orientation|that he's not like him]], but he is then made to react so disproportionately to the slight, after insulting several items in Kurt's bedroom as being "faggy", that Kurt comes out smelling like daisies anyway. It took until ''the next season'' for him to acknowledge personal responsibility for his sexual harassment, [[Author's Saving Throw|probably after viewers criticized his supposed innocence in the matter]], because hearing it from Burt that maybe Finn has a point and that he may be taking advantage of Sam just as he had a crush on Finn the year before eventually makes Kurt feel shame for his actions - he gives enough consideration to Burt's words that he tells Sam he can duet with someone else and that [[It's Not You, It's Me|the reasons for releasing Sam from their partnership lie with himself rather than with him]].
** Kurt. The fact that [[Word of God|Ryan Murphy]] [[Author Avatar|created the character specifically to play up Chris Colfer's strengths after seeing something of himself in the young actor]] means that [[Jerkass]] things Kurt says often go unchecked, and there are many cases where logic takes a backseat so that he is never wrong. He feels like crap when people go around telling him his sexual orientation is something he chooses because he knows it's a part of him he cannot change, [[Manipulative Bastard|but that sure didn't stop him from using his knowledge of what Finn likes in girls to give Rachel a makeover that goes against those things]]... [[Hypocrite|in an attempt to sell him on the idea of relations with the masculine sex]]. The fact that he goes as far as to tell Rachel that [[Lack of Empathy|she should be ''thanking'' him for it just shows that Kurt didn't feel the slightest discomfort about setting Rachel up like that]], and being reminded that she will always have a better chance "because [she's] a girl" does little to convince him that he has even failed since Kurt automatically attributes it to [[Never My Fault|them ''both'' being distractions for Finn]]. Finn eventually does lose his temper and calls Kurt out on his refusal to just accept [[Incompatible Orientation|that he's not like him]], but he is then made to react so disproportionately to the slight, after insulting several items in Kurt's bedroom as being "faggy", that Kurt comes out smelling like daisies anyway. It took until ''the next season'' for him to acknowledge personal responsibility for his sexual harassment, [[Author's Saving Throw|probably after viewers criticized his supposed innocence in the matter]], because hearing it from Burt that maybe Finn has a point and that he may be taking advantage of Sam just as he had a crush on Finn the year before eventually makes Kurt feel shame for his actions - he gives enough consideration to Burt's words that he tells Sam he can duet with someone else and that [[It's Not You, It's Me|the reasons for releasing Sam from their partnership lie with himself rather than with him]].
*** However, this newfound character development doesn't stick, since Kurt declares Quinn doesn't know what it's like to truly suffer in "On My Way" after listening in on her denouncing {{spoiler|Dave Karofsky's attempted suicide by hanging}} as an act of [[It's All About Me|selfishness]]. On the one hand, he ''is'' correct that she shouldn't [[No Sympathy|judge {{spoiler|him}} in such a harsh and reductive manner]] because no one can be in exactly the same position as someone else, and he ''does'' take the better approach whilst {{spoiler|visiting Dave in the hospital}} by assisting {{spoiler|him}} in getting the help {{spoiler|he}} needs. However, Kurt also asserts that Quinn's pregnancy doesn't come anywhere close to the problems {{spoiler|[[Gayngst|being gay]]}} presents you with in life since "the world never stopped loving [her]", [[Hypocrite|so he isn't being particularly understanding either]]. To wit: Quinn's father disowned her and evicted her from the family home after learning that she was pregnant, her status as head cheerleader slipped to the point where she had slushes thrown in her face by other students just like the other glee club members, and Sue removed Quinn from the cheerleading squad because of her pregnancy. In light of the fact that {{spoiler|[[Cure Your Gays|his own mother thinks he has a disease and can be "cured"]]}}, {{spoiler|Dave's}} lucky that {{spoiler|he}} still has a home to go back to. It doesn't help that Quinn got kicked out of her house and disowned by her father while pregnant ''because of Kurt'', as he [[Manipulative Bastard|convinced Finn to tell Quinn's parents about her pregnancy through advising him to sing out the pressure he felt about wanting to be in his kid's life, all part of his "master plan" to try and convert Finn by waiting until Quinn broke his heart]]. Kurt ''seemed'' horrified at the news of Quinn being disowned and did express his regrets to Finn, but he is more upset that "[his] plan kind of sucked" since he wastes no time telling Finn that the ballad he was planning to sing to him was "I Honestly Love You" and later tells Rachel that they're both kidding themselves because Finn is in love with Quinn and nothing will change that, [[Lack of Empathy|so it is even less of a good look for him to basically undermine everything Quinn's been through and write it off as nothing]]. It calls into question whether Kurt really released Sam from their partnership because he finally realized he was to blame for the way he was obsessing over Sam, or if it was just because he felt like he had to appease his dad's concerns about him possibly taking advantage of Sam seeing as he tells Sam that he can form his duo with someone the world deems "more appropriate".
*** The fact that it was decided to get [[Chris Colfer|his actor]] into the writer's room for "Old Dog, New Tricks" means that the audience is clearly meant to sympathize with Kurt more in it, as he finds himself feeling a little directionless, that he isn't going as fast as the rest of his friends and so is a support bracket for them. However, the fact that he blows his top [[Informed Wrongness|after his friends say no to him performing at Rachel's charity event despite the fact that getting someone even less known than Rachel to contribute an act is not good for a publicity campaign]], or when he states that he's sick of Rachel only being his friend when it's convenient for her after he asks her to come see the production of ''[[Peter Pan]]'' and she reminds him that her charity thing is happening then, just makes him look like he's [[It's All About Me|telling his friends off for a combination of doing stuff with him and also getting on with their lives that he's interpreting maliciously and being jealous of]]. It doesn't help that Santana at least does something about ''her'' loss of direction and handles it in a mature manner after quitting the ''[[Funny Girl]]'' understudy job by agreeing to do a duet with Mercedes for her album in "The Back-up Plan". As soon as her producer states that having her single be a duet with Santana isn't a good idea though, Santana agrees, telling Mercedes that her debut album should be all about her.
*** The fact that it was decided to get [[Chris Colfer|his actor]] into the writer's room for "Old Dog, New Tricks" means that the audience is clearly meant to sympathize with Kurt more in it, as he finds himself feeling a little directionless, that he isn't going as fast as the rest of his friends and so is a support bracket for them. However, the fact that he blows his top [[Informed Wrongness|after his friends say no to him performing at Rachel's charity event despite the fact that getting someone even less known than Rachel to contribute an act is not good for a publicity campaign]], or when he states that he's sick of Rachel only being his friend when it's convenient for her after he asks her to come see the production of ''[[Peter Pan]]'' and she reminds him that her charity thing is happening then, just makes him look like he's [[It's All About Me|telling his friends off for a combination of doing stuff with him and also getting on with their lives that he's interpreting maliciously and being jealous of]]. It doesn't help that Santana at least does something about ''her'' loss of direction and handles it in a mature manner after quitting the ''[[Funny Girl]]'' understudy job by agreeing to do a duet with Mercedes for her album in "The Back-up Plan". As soon as her producer states that having her single be a duet with Santana isn't a good idea though, Santana agrees, telling Mercedes that her debut album should be all about her.
** Santana. She is supposed to be seen as a hilarious, snarky [[Alpha Bitch]] that the audience should sympathize with after [[Freudian Excuse|tearfully confessing to Brittany that she is love with her and wants to be with her, but is also afraid of being bullied and ostracized for coming out as a lesbian]]. However, considering that she had been the biggest raging bitch humanly possible to Finn in "Mash Off" and pretty much everyone throughout the series, some consider Finn eventually [[Straw Man Has a Point|calling her a coward for constantly tearing others down while not accepting herself and her relationship with Brittany]] a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]. It doesn't help that she and the rest of her dodgeball team went over to pummel Rory, laughed as he bled on the floor, responded to Kurt calling her out on using this sport to bully and telling her that [[Not So Different|this makes her no different than the people who make fun of and harass their glee clubs]] with a derisive "Calm down, grandma", and turned out to be placating the Troubletones after agreeing to stop going after Finn since she instead goes to say that he's chubby - in other words, these things make it that much harder to feel bad for her being outed. Santana's personal issues become public in "I Kissed a Girl" and she even [[Easily Forgiven|forgives Finn]] after he shows her how their glee clubs all support her, so you'd think that this would provide some decent [[Character Development]] for her… and yet she [[Status Quo Is God|''continues'' to belittle and mock people with a haughty and condescending attitude for no reason throughout the entire rest of the series]]. ''The subsequent episode'' no less has Finn telling Santana that offering certain members of the New Directions to join the Troubletones should they lose is incredibly rude, but she fires back with another comment making fun of him for being chubby. Gee, it's almost as if she learned nothing from the last time she called him that…
** Santana. She is supposed to be seen as a hilarious, snarky [[Alpha Bitch]] that the audience should sympathize with after [[Freudian Excuse|tearfully confessing to Brittany that she is love with her and wants to be with her, but is also afraid of being bullied and ostracized for coming out as a lesbian]]. However, considering that she had been the biggest raging bitch humanly possible to Finn in "Mash Off" and pretty much everyone throughout the series, some consider Finn eventually [[Straw Man Has a Point|calling her a coward for constantly tearing others down while not accepting herself and her relationship with Brittany]] a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]]. It doesn't help that she and the rest of her dodgeball team went over to pummel Rory, laughed as he bled on the floor, responded to Kurt calling her out on using this sport to bully and telling her that [[Not So Different|this makes her no different than the people who make fun of and harass their glee clubs]] with a derisive "Calm down, grandma", and turned out to be placating the Troubletones after agreeing to stop going after Finn since she instead goes to say that he's chubby - in other words, these things make it that much harder to feel bad for her being outed. Santana's personal issues become public in "I Kissed a Girl" and she even [[Easily Forgiven|forgives Finn]] after he shows her how their glee clubs all support her, so you'd think that this would provide some decent [[Character Development]] for her… and yet she [[Status Quo Is God|''continues'' to belittle and mock people with a haughty and condescending attitude for no reason throughout the entire rest of the series]]. ''The subsequent episode'' no less has Finn telling Santana that offering certain members of the New Directions to join the Troubletones should they lose is incredibly rude, but she fires back with another comment making fun of him for being chubby. Gee, it's almost as if she learned nothing from the last time she called him that…