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[[File:funnyhowthingsturnout 6804.jpg|link=Batman|frame|Works best against [[Faux Affably Evil]] villains.]]

{{quote|'''[[Damsel in Distress|Woman in alley]]:''' Thank you! Thank you! That thing was going to kill me!

'''[[Badass Longcoat|Spike]]:''' Well, what did you expect? Out alone in this neighborhood -- I've got half a mind to kill you myself, you half-wit.

'''Woman in alley:''' What?

'''Spike:''' I mean honestly, what kind of retard wears [[Broken Heel|heels]] like that in a dark alley? Take two steps and break your bloody ankle.

'''Woman in alley:''' ''[annoyed]'' I was just trying to get home.

'''Spike:''' Well, get a cab, you moron, and on the way, if a stranger offers you candy, don't get in the van!|''[[Angel]]'', "Soul Purpose"}}

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** And then there's Near, who is even more [[Raised by Wolves]] and much less subtle in regards to snarking. {{spoiler|There's endless debate over whether or not he used the Death Note to control Mikami's actions, so as to convict Light. [[Word of God]] also states that he "cheats"}}.

** Not to mention Soichiro, Light's father. [[Word of God]] states that he is the only truly good character in the series...notwithstanding {{spoiler|holding two people (the first a civilian, the second ''his own son'') at gunpoint, actually firing - even when it's loaded with blanks - at ''point blank range'' during the latter occasion, and later still making the trade for Shinigami Eyes and attempting to write Mello's name in the notebook, only failing to write said name in full because Mello asks him if he's ever killed a person before, leading to a moment of hesitation which proves his undoing.}}

* Meta Knight in the ''[[Kirby]]'' [[Kirby of ~~the~~ ~~Stars~~|anime]] acts as a [[Trickster Mentor]] to Kirby, training him and helping him, but being rather distant. Also notable: in his first appearance he speed-trained Kirby to wield a sword... by beating the crap out of him and pointing out all his mistakes. Other times he's cool and distant and generally only directly helps Kirby when his life is in danger.

* Meta Knight in the ''[[Kirby]]'' [[Kirby: Right Back at Ya!|anime]] acts as a [[Trickster Mentor]] to Kirby, training him and helping him, but being rather distant. Also notable: in his first appearance he speed-trained Kirby to wield a sword... by beating the crap out of him and pointing out all his mistakes. Other times he's cool and distant and generally only directly helps Kirby when his life is in danger.

* Togusa in ''[[Ghost in the Shell (manga)|Ghost in The Shell]]'', as [[The Rookie]] recruited from the regular police, is pretty much the only character who is actively trying to work within the law and respect the rights of criminals. The rest of Section 9 is not above using torture and murder, but the entire country is in such a corrupt state that even Togusa usually accepts that as a necessary part of their work.

* The entirety of Team Urameshi in ''[[Yu Yu Hakusho]]''. Hiei is just plain evil [[For the Evulz]] (at least at first). Yusuke is [[Jerkass|an ass]] towards literally everyone he knows, but [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|he genuinely cares about all of them,]] and [[The Power of Friendship|his power spikes exponentially whenever they're in danger]]. Kurama is outwardly pleasant, but he's also a [[Deadpan Snarker]] of the highest order, incredibly fond of the [[Stealth Insult]] towards his less intelligent teammates, and (even by ''[[Jerkass|Hiei's]]'' admission), the most ruthless fighter on the team, a trait he demonstrates when he mercilessly executes most of his enemies even after they're defeated. By contrast, Kuwabara's a borderline [[Nice Guy]], a [[Boisterous Bruiser]] [[Bruiser with a Soft Center|with a soft centre.]]

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* In the table-top RPG ''[[In Nomine]]'', many of the angels would fall into this category, most notably the Seraphim, who are blunt as a brick to the head (except when they decide to tie the truth in knots), have egos the size of California, and generally find humans annoying, and the Malakim who are serious hardcore [[Proud Warrior Race Guy]]s. The only groups of angels that could be considered unequivocally "nice" from a human perspective are the Mercurians.

** In Seraphim's defense they 'are' the angels of Truth, which can be painful at times. Plus the thing that really annoys many of them is the self depreciating lies that people tell themselves. Lying to yourself is one thing but even the most loathsome demons have the good sense to tell themselves 'happy' lies. Malakim don't need to be [[Proud Warrior Race Guy]]s, in fact the Archangel Laurence (who most Malakim not under Hostile A.A.s point to as their role model) is somewhere between a [[Knight in Shining Armor]] and a [[Knight Templar]] depending on how [[Grey and Gray Morality]] you want your game. Actually the most [[Proud Warrior Race Guy]] in the game is Michael and he's a Seraph.

* ''[[Dungeons ~~and~~ Dragons|D&D]]'' paladins, especially those who veer towards [[Knight Templar]] or the [[Lawful Stupid]] end of the scale.

* ''[[Dungeons & Dragons|D&D]]'' paladins, especially those who veer towards [[Knight Templar]] or the [[Lawful Stupid]] end of the scale.

** In 3.5, the Book of Exalted Deeds directly says that good does not mean nice.

*** ''Complete Scoundrel'' introduces a Paladin [[Prestige Class]] called Gray Guard that ''is'' this trope. The illustration even shows a Gray Guard strangling a necromancer. A Gray Guard is a paladin who [[Combat Pragmatist|fights dirty]], and can turn his [[Healing Hands|lay on hands]] ability into a variant on the [[Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique]].

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** Even good gods are quite apt to find a tough test for their followers—a textbook example is being sent to find a specific flower in [[Fire and Brimstone Hell]] and bring it back. Immortals of ''[[Mystara]]'' are divided only by Sphere of influence and not [[Character Alignment]], so they have even less obligations on this side.

*** The cake goes to Rafiel—he's a caring guy in his own way, but plays with his Shadow Elf (prototype of drow!) followers [[The End Justifies the Means]] hard enough to convince everyone else he's the exemplary case of [[Light Is Not Good]] (which is a part of his plan too).

* The Salamanders chapter in ''[[Warhammer ~~40000~~]]''. Absolutely relentless in battle, an entire chapter of [[Scary Black Man|Scary Black Men]] (literally; their skin becomes "onyx black" as they undergo the Space Marine transformation due to a genetic flaw) with [[Red Eyes, Take Warning]] and a [[Kill It with Fire]] fighting style. However, the good part here is from how they actually care about the people they protect and find the thought of harming civilians disgusting, even punching out another chapter master for even thinking of it. Amongst this [[Knight Templar]] Warrior Race, this respect for innocent lives is only shared by Chapters like The Space Wolves and The Ultramarines. The Salamanders and Ultramarines are the closest thing this universe has to [[Lawful Good]] and the Space Wolves are the closest thing to [[Chaotic Good]].

* The Salamanders chapter in ''[[Warhammer 40,000]]''. Absolutely relentless in battle, an entire chapter of [[Scary Black Man|Scary Black Men]] (literally; their skin becomes "onyx black" as they undergo the Space Marine transformation due to a genetic flaw) with [[Red Eyes, Take Warning]] and a [[Kill It with Fire]] fighting style. However, the good part here is from how they actually care about the people they protect and find the thought of harming civilians disgusting, even punching out another chapter master for even thinking of it. Amongst this [[Knight Templar]] Warrior Race, this respect for innocent lives is only shared by Chapters like The Space Wolves and The Ultramarines. The Salamanders and Ultramarines are the closest thing this universe has to [[Lawful Good]] and the Space Wolves are the closest thing to [[Chaotic Good]].

*** It's not actually that uncommon. The Celestial Lions are another notably humanitarian chapter, as are the Iron Snakes and presumably many of the other Ultramarines-derived successor chapters (and the majority of successor chapters are of Ultramarines stock).

** On the opposite end of the spectrum you have the Black Templars. Definitely the good guys from the Imperium's standpoint, the hardest working and most pious Space Marine chapter. They have fought a crusade against aliens for 10,000 years, but they are willing to do things like sacrifice millions of human lives to kill an alien psker that stood in the Imperium's way.

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* Jaheira from the ''[[Baldur's Gate]]'' sequels, where it otherwise looks like she's not living up (down?) to her obligatory druidic [[True Neutral]] [[Character Alignment|alignment]], is still a blunt know-it-all with no patience for people who don't happen to see things her way or who happen to annoy her through no fault of their own.

* If You choose to play non-leathal in ''[[Deus Ex: Human Revolution|Deus Ex Human Revolution]]'', Adam is Essentially Batman with cybernetics.

* Hakumen from ''[[~~Blaz Blue~~]]'': One of the six legendary heroes who stopped the Black Beast. Is a dick.

* Hakumen from ''[[BlazBlue]]'': One of the six legendary heroes who stopped the Black Beast. Is a dick.

** From the same game, Ragna the Bloodedge has taken part in a [[One-Man Army|one-man campaign of mass murder]] against the NOL, the body governing ''[[~~Blaz Blue~~]]'''s world. He's also the closest thing that this [[Crapsack World]] has to a hero by being one of the few willing and able to take on the oppressive government, and consistently shows that, despite his rough exterior, [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|he's a good man]].

** From the same game, Ragna the Bloodedge has taken part in a [[One-Man Army|one-man campaign of mass murder]] against the NOL, the body governing ''[[BlazBlue]]'''s world. He's also the closest thing that this [[Crapsack World]] has to a hero by being one of the few willing and able to take on the oppressive government, and consistently shows that, despite his rough exterior, [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|he's a good man]].

** If his [[Took a Level In Badass|newly found levels in badass]] and [[Pet the Dog|dog petting]], plus his apparent [[Heel Face Turn]] at the end of ''Continuum Shift'', are any indication, Jin looks set to become this. Probably a bit more emphasis on the [[Jerkass|"not nice"]] part, though.

** If his [[Took a Level in Badass|newly found levels in badass]] and [[Pet the Dog|dog petting]], plus his apparent [[Heel Face Turn]] at the end of ''Continuum Shift'', are any indication, Jin looks set to become this. Probably a bit more emphasis on the [[Jerkass|"not nice"]] part, though.

* Godot in ''[[Ace Attorney]]''. He's an outright jerk to Phoenix Wright in court, and the three 'targets' of his prosecuting are a sweet but hapless young woman, a sweet but hapless young man, and {{spoiler|a sweet but secretly conspiring with him young woman.}} However, {{spoiler|all of his actions in the final case were either to avenge Mia, take down Dahlia, or protect Mia's sister Maya.}}

* The moral choices in ''[[Mass Effect]]'' can be either "Paragon" or [[Anti-Hero|"Renegade"]] - and a Renegade Shepard can be a real ass.