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In certain stories, especially epic fantasy, there is a correlation between the [[Weapon of Choice|weapon style characters or groups use]], and how they are portrayed in the film.
In certain stories, especially epic fantasy, there is a correlation between the [[Weapon of Choice|weapon style characters or groups use]], and how they are portrayed in the film.


Heroes' weapons generally have clean lines, such as longbows, broadswords, katana, a musket, Colt revolver, Winchester, etc. [[Bare Fisted Monk|Unarmed combat]] is also a heroic trait. Although the rules change when [[Zombie Apocalypse|zombies are involved]]. (don't ask why)
Heroes' weapons generally have clean lines, such as longbows, broadswords, katana, a musket, Colt revolver, Winchester, etc. [[Bare-Fisted Monk|Unarmed combat]] is also a heroic trait. Although the rules change when [[Zombie Apocalypse|zombies are involved]]. (don't ask why)


Villain armies typically have more oddly-shaped weapons, weapons with [[Spikes of Villainy|spikes]], etc. While not a hard-and-fast rule (see the exception for hammers, below) blunt weapons, especially ridged maces, tend to be evil, possibly due to their lethal practicality, as a crushed shoulder, knee, or skull tends to be more complicated to heal than a clean cut.
Villain armies typically have more oddly-shaped weapons, weapons with [[Spikes of Villainy|spikes]], etc. While not a hard-and-fast rule (see the exception for hammers, below) blunt weapons, especially ridged maces, tend to be evil, possibly due to their lethal practicality, as a crushed shoulder, knee, or skull tends to be more complicated to heal than a clean cut.
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Other stereotypes:
Other stereotypes:


* [[Dual Wielding|Multiple Swords]]: [[Badass]] but generally evil or [[Anti Hero]].
* [[Dual-Wielding|Multiple Swords]]: [[Badass]] but generally evil or [[Anti-Hero]].
** [[Hooks and Crooks|Hookswords]]: Run away. Now. Do not, under any circumstances, trust.
** [[Hooks and Crooks|Hookswords]]: Run away. Now. Do not, under any circumstances, trust.
*** However, a dual-hooksword-wielding [[Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon|Michelle Yeoh]] happens to be doubly trustworthy.
*** However, a dual-hooksword-wielding [[Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon|Michelle Yeoh]] happens to be doubly trustworthy.
** Flame Patterned Sword (flamberge): Unless sufficiently elegant, run. These were intended to produce nasty wounds upon the victim ( though in reality they don't, ) so this is [[Justified Trope|somewhat reasonable]].
** Flame Patterned Sword (flamberge): Unless sufficiently elegant, run. These were intended to produce nasty wounds upon the victim ( though in reality they don't, ) so this is [[Justified Trope|somewhat reasonable]].
*** The flame pattern is actually a defensive measure: it was meant so that when the person with the flamberge parried with it, the attacker would receive a shock as his own weapon slid down the flame pattern and vibrated rapidly, numbing the attacker's arm. But since the goal of the design is to temporarily paralyze a limb, it still stands somewhat justified.
*** The flame pattern is actually a defensive measure: it was meant so that when the person with the flamberge parried with it, the attacker would receive a shock as his own weapon slid down the flame pattern and vibrated rapidly, numbing the attacker's arm. But since the goal of the design is to temporarily paralyze a limb, it still stands somewhat justified.
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** [[Guns Akimbo|Two Handguns]]: [[Badass]]
** [[Guns Akimbo|Two Handguns]]: [[Badass]]
* Assault Rifles: Evil if it's a Communist AK-47, good if it's an American M16. Either way, usually not a main character.
* Assault Rifles: Evil if it's a Communist AK-47, good if it's an American M16. Either way, usually not a main character.
* [[Hand Cannon|Hand Cannons]]: [[Anti Hero]]. Common in [[Film Noir]], detective stories and cyberpunk.
* [[Hand Cannon|Hand Cannons]]: [[Anti-Hero]]. Common in [[Film Noir]], detective stories and cyberpunk.
* Submachine Guns: Mainly used by mooks, antiheroes or villains.
* Submachine Guns: Mainly used by mooks, antiheroes or villains.
* [[Sawed Off Shotgun|Sawed Off Shotguns]]: Evil, or at least [[Anti Hero|Anti Heroic]], except when facing zombies.
* [[Sawed Off Shotgun|Sawed Off Shotguns]]: Evil, or at least [[Anti-Hero|Anti Heroic]], except when facing zombies.
* [[Sniper Rifle|Sniper Rifles]]: Sign of a villainous assassin, [[Villain Protagonist]], or [[Psycho for Hire]]. Hero characters using one of these are usually in the role of the [[Hero Secret Service|guardian angel]], the guy whose role is to shut down bad guys trying to ambush another hero.
* [[Sniper Rifle|Sniper Rifles]]: Sign of a villainous assassin, [[Villain Protagonist]], or [[Psycho for Hire]]. Hero characters using one of these are usually in the role of the [[Hero Secret Service|guardian angel]], the guy whose role is to shut down bad guys trying to ambush another hero.
* [[More Dakka|Machine Guns]]: Evil.
* [[More Dakka|Machine Guns]]: Evil.
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*** Subverted in [[Dune]], in which body shields stop anything moving above a few cm per second and mutually detonate (with kiloton force) on contact by lasers; knife fighting is the dominant form of close combat.
*** Subverted in [[Dune]], in which body shields stop anything moving above a few cm per second and mutually detonate (with kiloton force) on contact by lasers; knife fighting is the dominant form of close combat.
* Any [[Poisoned Weapons]]: Always evil, save for some tranquilizer darts.
* Any [[Poisoned Weapons]]: Always evil, save for some tranquilizer darts.
** Early editions of ''[[Dungeons and Dragons]]'' made their use an evil act. While this was probably a game balance issue (since poison in 1st edition was [[One Hit Kill|almost always fatal]]), it was strange that hacking or bashing an enemy to death over the course of several rounds of combat was considered less evil than a [[Broken Aesop|quick death]].
** Early editions of ''[[Dungeons and Dragons]]'' made their use an evil act. While this was probably a game balance issue (since poison in 1st edition was [[One-Hit Kill|almost always fatal]]), it was strange that hacking or bashing an enemy to death over the course of several rounds of combat was considered less evil than a [[Broken Aesop|quick death]].
* [[Chainsaw Good|Chainsaws]]: Almost always [[Ax Crazy|criminally insane]], except when fighting zombies or [[Evil Dead|Deadites]].
* [[Chainsaw Good|Chainsaws]]: Almost always [[Ax Crazy|criminally insane]], except when fighting zombies or [[Evil Dead|Deadites]].
** Goes either way if you are in the [[Warhammer 40000]] universe, though that's [[Black and Grey Morality|not saying much]].
** Goes either way if you are in the [[Warhammer 40000]] universe, though that's [[Black and Grey Morality|not saying much]].
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** And the [[Church Militant|Adeptas]] [[Warhammer 40000|Sororitas]].
** And the [[Church Militant|Adeptas]] [[Warhammer 40000|Sororitas]].
** Acceptable in the case of a [[Bug War]], generally.
** Acceptable in the case of a [[Bug War]], generally.
* [[Sinister Scythe|Scythes]]: Either villains or an [[Anti Hero]]. Depends on how intimidating the scythe looks. Always scary.
* [[Sinister Scythe|Scythes]]: Either villains or an [[Anti-Hero]]. Depends on how intimidating the scythe looks. Always scary.
* [[Luckily My Shield Will Protect Me|Shields]]: Either supporting characters or [[Mooks]], either way they're usually [[Shields Are Useless|useless]].
* [[Luckily, My Shield Will Protect Me|Shields]]: Either supporting characters or [[Mooks]], either way they're usually [[Shields Are Useless|useless]].
** On the occasion a shield is used by a major character, it is generally a sign of the [[Knight in Shining Armor]].
** On the occasion a shield is used by a major character, it is generally a sign of the [[Knight in Shining Armor]].
* [[Laser Blade]]: Always [[Badass]], specific alignment usually [[Color Coded for Your Convenience|determined by blade color]].
* [[Laser Blade]]: Always [[Badass]], specific alignment usually [[Color Coded for Your Convenience|determined by blade color]].
** ''Attack of the Clones'' subverts this, as there are enough Jedi in the field at once for the lesser among them to count as Redshirts.
** ''Attack of the Clones'' subverts this, as there are enough Jedi in the field at once for the lesser among them to count as Redshirts.
* [[Bare Fisted Monk|Martial Arts]]: Flowing styles and high acrobatics tend to be the domain of good guys and monks; Pressure point poking, open-palmed jabbing, and other "quick and to the point" styles are used by the [[Arrogant Kung Fu Guy]] or [[Evil Overlord]]. [[Good Old Fisticuffs]] are either way, unless the bad guy knows a style of any type, then it becomes the domain of the "everyman" good guy. [[She Fu]] is neutral, as it lends to [[Cat Fight|catfighting]] between two parties.
* [[Bare-Fisted Monk|Martial Arts]]: Flowing styles and high acrobatics tend to be the domain of good guys and monks; Pressure point poking, open-palmed jabbing, and other "quick and to the point" styles are used by the [[Arrogant Kung Fu Guy]] or [[Evil Overlord]]. [[Good Old Fisticuffs]] are either way, unless the bad guy knows a style of any type, then it becomes the domain of the "everyman" good guy. [[She Fu]] is neutral, as it lends to [[Cat Fight|catfighting]] between two parties.
* Katars: Almost always [[Anti Hero]] at best, usually the province of assassin or rogue characters, unless the assassin or rogue is [[Chaotic Good]]. Almost always subject to [[Dual Wielding]], at least for rogues in [[World of Warcraft]] and Assassins and Assassin Crosses in [[Ragnarok Online]].
* Katars: Almost always [[Anti-Hero]] at best, usually the province of assassin or rogue characters, unless the assassin or rogue is [[Chaotic Good]]. Almost always subject to [[Dual-Wielding]], at least for rogues in [[World of Warcraft]] and Assassins and Assassin Crosses in [[Ragnarok Online]].
* [[Improbable Weapon User|Unlikely Weapons]]: Good, if [[Bunny Ears Lawyer|eccentric]].
* [[Improbable Weapon User|Unlikely Weapons]]: Good, if [[Bunny Ears Lawyer|eccentric]].




Compare [[Weapon of Choice]]. See [[Good Guns Bad Guns]] [[Sub Trope|for the more detailed gun version]].
Compare [[Weapon of Choice]]. See [[Good Guns Bad Guns]] [[Sub Trope|for the more detailed gun version]].
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== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
== [[Anime]] and [[Manga]] ==
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* In ''[[Halo]]'', this shows up in the two warrior races of the [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens|Covenant]]: The characteristic weapon of the ([[Heel Face Turn|ultimately]]) good Elites is the [[Laser Blade|Energy Sword]]. The signature weapon of the Brutes is a big, well, [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|brutish]] Gravity Hammer.
* In ''[[Halo]]'', this shows up in the two warrior races of the [[Scary Dogmatic Aliens|Covenant]]: The characteristic weapon of the ([[Heel Face Turn|ultimately]]) good Elites is the [[Laser Blade|Energy Sword]]. The signature weapon of the Brutes is a big, well, [[Exactly What It Says On the Tin|brutish]] Gravity Hammer.
* In ''[[The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'', {{spoiler|the Master Sword is shown at the very end of the game to have an [[Evil Counterpart]] wielded by the [[God of Evil|Demon King]] [[Bigger Bad|Demise]], whose spirit and humanoid form is named [[Big Bad|Ghirahim]].}}
* In ''[[The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]]'', {{spoiler|the Master Sword is shown at the very end of the game to have an [[Evil Counterpart]] wielded by the [[God of Evil|Demon King]] [[Bigger Bad|Demise]], whose spirit and humanoid form is named [[Big Bad|Ghirahim]].}}
* Averted in the ''[[Mass Effect]]'' series, where alignment is independent of weapon choice. Machine pistols are very common on both sides in the [[Mass Effect 2|second game]], Shepard can get [[AI Is a Crapshoot|Geth]] guns in all three games and [[Bug War|Collector]] guns in the second, and gets access to [[Hand Cannon|large pistols]], [[More Dakka|assault rifles]], and [[Blade Below the Shoulder|wrist-mounted omni-blades]] regardless of [[The Paragon|Paragon]]/[[Anti Hero|Renegade]] alignment.
* Averted in the ''[[Mass Effect]]'' series, where alignment is independent of weapon choice. Machine pistols are very common on both sides in the [[Mass Effect 2|second game]], Shepard can get [[AI Is a Crapshoot|Geth]] guns in all three games and [[Bug War|Collector]] guns in the second, and gets access to [[Hand Cannon|large pistols]], [[More Dakka|assault rifles]], and [[Blade Below the Shoulder|wrist-mounted omni-blades]] regardless of [[The Paragon|Paragon]]/[[Anti-Hero|Renegade]] alignment.
* In [[Knights of the Old Republic]] there are sometimes weapons or objects (lightsaber crystals for example) that can only be used if one has the proper alignment.
* In [[Knights of the Old Republic]] there are sometimes weapons or objects (lightsaber crystals for example) that can only be used if one has the proper alignment.


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== [[Western Animation]] ==
== [[Western Animation]] ==
* ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' had a duel between [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] [[Anti Hero]] Jet and [[Anti Villain]] Zuko. They both dual-wielded. It was epic.
* ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'' had a duel between [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] [[Anti-Hero]] Jet and [[Anti-Villain]] Zuko. They both dual-wielded. It was epic.
** For the record, [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] Jet has a pair of hookswords, while Zuko uses a pair of dao. On that note, [[The Hero|Aang]] uses a glider-staff, while Sokka starts with a club and boomerang, but later [[Character Development|stops using the club]] and eventually gains a jian.
** For the record, [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] Jet has a pair of hookswords, while Zuko uses a pair of dao. On that note, [[The Hero|Aang]] uses a glider-staff, while Sokka starts with a club and boomerang, but later [[Character Development|stops using the club]] and eventually gains a jian.
*** A black jian ''[[Crazy Awesome|made from a]] [[Thunderbolt Iron|meteor]].''
*** A black jian ''[[Crazy Awesome|made from a]] [[Thunderbolt Iron|meteor]].''
* ''[[Transformers Animated]]'' has [[Psycho for Hire|Lockdown]], a [[Bounty Hunter]] who loves taking pieces off helpless targets. He has a chainsaw, and is decidedly evil and probably a little crazy too.
* ''[[Transformers Animated]]'' has [[Psycho for Hire|Lockdown]], a [[Bounty Hunter]] who loves taking pieces off helpless targets. He has a chainsaw, and is decidedly evil and probably a little crazy too.
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