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{{quote|''"This comes as no surprise: It's a cliche that Superman's glasses are the most laughably ineffective costume ever, but who cares? Changing that part of the mythos would be like taking the stars off the American flag. So screw [[Suspension of Disbelief]]: Superman predates it. He's got a free pass to be wearing the same completely unbelievable disguise 70 years later."''|[http://www.cracked.com/article_18617_the-9-stupidest-superhero-secret-identities_p2.html Cracked.com], on why Superman continues to get away with [[Clark Kenting]]. }}
|[http://www.cracked.com/article_18617_the-9-stupidest-superhero-secret-identities_p2.html Cracked.com], on why Superman continues to get away with [[Clark Kenting]].}}
 
A character uses a [[Trope]] which may be [[Cliché]], [[Discredited Trope|discredited]] or even [[Dead Horse Trope|dead]] at this point, but is allowed because it's tied into the character's legacy. Using the trope during the creation of any more ''recent'' character however, is noticeably avoided. If the character's use of the trope slowly starts to disappear, they may have [[Outgrow the Trope|outgrown]] it.
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* [[Serendipity Writes the Plot]] can mesh with this trope fairly often. Sure, if the same work were created more recently, the director probably would have taken advantage of better special effects technology or whatever. But the results of the old limitations frequently end up an inseparable part of the work anyway.
* The lack of feathers on [[Everything's Better with Dinosaurs|dinosaurs]] (or at least the ones that would have feathers) in media is probably because of tradition and the fact that that is how most people think of dinosaurs in spite of the recent scientific evidence.
 
 
== Advertising ==
* The French "Banania"-brand powdered chocolate and its infamous stereotypical black guy. It had been removed for some time in the late eighties/early nineties, but it's back (albeit in more cartoony style).
* Commercial jingles are also considered silly in modern times, except for products and services whose jingles are part of their legacy.
 
 
== Anime and Manga ==
* Another example of [[Clark Kenting]]: most [[Magical Girl]]s can't get away without at least tinting their hair and parting it differently nowadays, but people actually ''complained'' that ''[[Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon]]'' made the girls look different when de-transformed, because the original ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' didn't do it. Of course, this problem doesn't exist in series where [[Magical Girl|magical girls]]s don't have secret identities to begin with. This was [[Hand Wave|handwaved]] once in the ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' anime television series. The dub seems to bank on the familiarity of the audience with [[Superhero]] logic, explaining the characters in uniform look like their past ([[Take Our Word for It|otherwise identical]]) incarnations.
 
 
== Comic Books ==
* [[Clark Kenting]] in its original use is a major example, and tends to remain an iron-clad disguise that fools everyone. Although it has been [[Hand Wave|handwaved]] in various ways, most of us just accept it after seventy years of [[Superman]]. Most superheroes created in the last twenty years have to maintain a more realistic disguise, especially since lately the chance of someone being a superhero seems much higher. It helps that most modern ongoing continuities go out of their way to have at least one incident where Clark Kent and Superman are seen together with the help of shapeshifting friends like [[Martian Manhunter]].
** Richard Donner, director of the first ''Superman'' movie, commented in an interview that in said film Clark Kent was originally going to work at a television news station like he did at the time in the comics, but they went with him as a newspaper reporter because it was much more a part of the public consciousness.
* Robin is pretty much the only straight-up [[Kid Sidekick]] left in [[The DCU]]. This is usually [[Justified Trope|justified]] as balancing out [[Batman]]'s inner darkness, although the latest incarnation of Robin, {{spoiler|Damian Wayne}}, may very well be darker than Batman.
* Underoos on the outside have fallen out of style for super heroes since the '60s.
** [[The DCU]] seems to have done away with them entirely as of the ''[[New 52]]''.
* Capes too have similarly fallen out of style as part of hero costumes.
* [[Green Lantern]]s do not always have a weakness to yellow things, but Sinestro just wouldn't be Sinestro without a yellow ring that is strangely effective against them. This has since been justified with the [[Retcon|RetConned]]ned existence of a [[Color Coded for Your Convenience|spectrum of emotion]] (Red: Rage, Orange: Greed, Yellow: Fear, Green: Willpower, Blue: Hope, Indigo: Compassion, Violet: Love). He and the rest of the [[Evil Counterpart|Sinestro Corps]] are literally using fear as a weapon.
** This leads to a lesser-known retcon. Green Lanterns used to be selected because they were men without fear. However, if current GL's didn't experience fear at some level, then Sinestro's ring would be useless against them unless there were others around whom Sinestro could manipulate.
*** Well, since Sinestro's ring has no vulnerability to green, his ring wouldn't be any more useless against Green Lanterns than their rings are against him, even without the weakness.
* [[Doctor Doom]] just wouldn't be Doctor Doom if he didn't [[Third Person Person|refer to himself]] as "[[Doomy Dooms of Doom|Doom]]" all the time. And besides, if your name was "[[Awesome McCoolname|Dr. Victor von Doom]]", wouldn't you do it too?
* Any character whose origin involves exposure to radiation. For new characters, [[Genetic Engineering Is the New Nuke]]. [[Spider-Man]] is the main exception, since "bitten by an unnatural spider" was the main point and whether the spider was radioactive or genetically modified (or [[J. Michael Straczynski|appointing him as the avatar of the spider totem]]) didn't really matter. Likewise, [[Hulk (film)|the movie version of]] [[The Hulk]] averts this somewhat by combining radiation with several other factors—the gamma rays only break down his cells, the [[Nanomachines]] try to repair them, and [[Genetic Engineering Is the New Nuke|his genes weren't really normal to begin with]].
** Peter Parker's job as a freelance photographer for the Daily Bugle has also been under fire in the past decade, with the rise of cameras and video in phones as well as the decline in the print media industry. Recent adaptations feature this aspect of the character less and less and those that do are largely done so because of the legacy with a bit of lampshade hanging for fun.
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* The Mexican comic character Memin Pinguin falls under blackface in modern times, but due to its popularity and impact in popular culture since being created in 1945, it is accepted there.
** Also do notice that even nowadays political correctness on racial issues isn't such a big deal in Mexico.
* The Marvel family's transformation phrase probably falls under this. Back when [[Shazam|the series]] was created, comics were [[Golden Age|brightly coloured and silly and everyone had fun]]. Now that comics are a serious medium and not really appropriate for kids, seeing modern characters yell 'Shazam' in huge dramatic letters might be narm if it weren't for this... and the fact that lightning bolts ''never'' stop being cool.
* It would be extremely difficult to make an unironic hyper-patriotic American character and present him as a paragon of virtue and heroism and be taken seriously today. [[Captain America (comics)|Captain America]] pulls it off, though, because he has the weight of history on his side (in more ways than one). It helps that his patriotism has been tested and modified into his famous motto, "I am loyal to nothing...except the [American] Dream."
** For that matter, the "boy scout" hero in general is virtually extinct (except when used as a joke) aside from Captain America, [[Superman]], and [[Captain Marvel]].
** To the point where every hero is so messed up and their motivations so personal and complicated that idea of heroes who are heroes just because they're decent people who don't want to waste their great power has become unique and thought-provoking ''in-universe''.
*** Another point is that Captain America is not loyal to the American government; his patriotism isn't "My country right or wrong". Put another way, if America decided to sponsor an anti-democratic coup somewhere, he'd not help (and might hinder) its efforts, because democracy is considered an American value.
* [[Not Wearing Tights|Tights]] in general. Modern superheroes still tend to wear them, but outside of comic books and animation, most adaptations will attempt to get around them unless the outfit is iconic that the character is drastically altered without it. For example, compare [[Spider-Man (film)|Spider-Man's outfit versus that of the villains in the first two films]]. Some characters, such as Batman, have their tights altered into a hardened suit of armor so that the character will continue to seem intimidating.
** [[Justified Trope|Spidey is essentially a super-powered acrobat &and gymnast. They wear tights because they require extremely flexible clothing that won't catch on equipment, and it's the same for Spider-man.]]
* In ''[[Spirou and Fantasio]]'', Spirou wore a ridiculous old-fashioned bellhop uniform for decades, even though it had been a long time since he actually worked as a bellhop. Modern version of the comic tend to [[Averted Trope|avert]], [[Justified Trope|justify]] or [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshade]] this, though: for example, in the ''Le Petit Spirou'' strip comic we find out that Spirou already wore a bellhop uniform when he was a small child, and his mom, dad, and grandpa wear it too, though the reason for this family tradition is never really explained.
* One of the main jokes in Brazilian comic ''[[Monica's Gang]]'' is the protagonist being pestered by her male friends...even though in recent years it would be considered bullying. (though the reply is what you would expect [[Bullying a Dragon|when bullying a]] [[Hair-Trigger Temper]] [[Pint-Sized Powerhouse]]) It possibly only remains without complaint of the [[Moral Guardians]] because the comic is running since the 1960s.
 
 
== [[Film]] ==
* Not many film franchises go on long enough for this to kick in. Up until the later [[Pierce Brosnan]] films, however, it was in full force for [[James Bond (film)|James Bond]] - we knew the premises were ridiculous, the baddies were [[Card-Carrying Villain|Card Carrying Villains]], the sexual politics were absurd and the [[Bond One-Liner|Bond One Liners]]s were worthy of an enormous [[Collective Groan]]... that's the ''point''. It's ''James Bond'', as [[Strictly Formula|formulaic]] as it seems. Then the late 90s incarnations flipflopped between [[Darker and Edgier]] and tongue-in-cheek [[Indecisive Parody]], ''[[Die Another Day]]'' collapsed under the weight of its own [[Continuity Porn]], and the [[Continuity Reboot]] kicked the whole thing squarely into part [[Follow the Leader|post-]][[The Bourne Series (film)|Bourne]] part [[James Bond (novel)|novel Bond]].
* Any film genre based on a historical period will probably run afoul of this trope eventually. The Western, for example, documents a time period that lasted 40 or 50 years at the most; going back to the earliest years of the silent era, countless Western movies have now been made over a period more than twice as long. If we are to take every single Western seriously, then, that half-century from 1840 to 1890 was an impossibly action-packed time. But as long as there are still Western fans out there, new adventures will continue to be generated.
 
 
== Literature ==
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* It would be hard to imagine someone less renowned than [[Agatha Christie]] getting a pass with modern readers when so many [[Unfortunate Implications]] are in her works. Christie toned it down later in life, but her personal prejudices clearly made it into her writing, and indeed sometimes [[Genteel Interbellum Setting|become part of the charm]]. When reading her novels, watch for characters who aren't blueblooded but are trying to pass as high class; shortlist them.
 
== Live -Action TV ==
 
* Many aspects of ''[[Doctor Who]]''—both — both new and old—doold — do this. From [[Timey-Wimey Ball]] to [[Space Is Magic]] to [[Planet of Hats]] to [[Limited Wardrobe]]... and the list just keeps going on. Nostalgia is one thing ''[[Doctor Who]]'' has [[Long Runner|in abundance]], and they have no intention of giving it up.
== Live Action TV ==
* Many aspects of ''[[Doctor Who]]''—both new and old—do this. From [[Timey-Wimey Ball]] to [[Space Is Magic]] to [[Planet of Hats]] to [[Limited Wardrobe]]...and the list just keeps going on. Nostalgia is one thing ''[[Doctor Who]]'' has [[Long Runner|in abundance]], and they have no intention of giving it up.
{{quote|'''The Doctor:''' "Every time the TARDIS materializes in a new location, within the first nanosecond of landing it analyzes its surroundings, calculates a twelve-dimensional data map of everything within a thousand mile radius and determines which outer shell would blend in better with the environment... and then it disguises itself as a police telephone box from 1963."}}
** Jack Harkness' WWII-era [[Memetic Outfit]] is an in-canon example of this—thoughthis — though we do first meet up with Jack in the '40s, he's actually from the 51st century. He keeps the braces-and-greatcoat look through all of his appearances on ''Who'' and into his spinoff, ''[[Torchwood]]''. ("Period military is not the dress of a straight man.") In a flashback to British India in 1909, he wears the uniform of a British Army captain of ''that'' era.
* Today, by virtue of being a [[Superhero]], [[The Lone Ranger]] is the only [[Western]] hero who can get away with all the more outrageous Western cliches such wearing a white hat, riding a white horse, or [[Blasting It Out of Their Hands]] without irony.
* Stargate Command in ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'' eventually advanced its technology to the point when it would be possible to retire [[the "Engaging Chevrons" [[padding]], but by that point it became a tradition (and in "Heroes", it was mentioned that the personnel liked Walter doing his job). ''[[Stargate Atlantis]]'', by virtue of being a new show, had a chance for a fresh start and didn't use it—which was, of course, given a [[Lampshade Hanging]] in the very first episode.
* Actual [[Sentai]] series, such as ''[[Super Sentai]]'' or ''[[Power Rangers]]'', are the only shows allowed to use the [[Super Sentai Stance]] with any attempt at seriousness. Any other work that tries to use the stance had better be [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshading]] or making fun of it unless the producers want viewers to cry foul.
* ''[[Star Trek]]'' gets far more leeway than any other non-parody sci-fi show with many of the tropes it popularized because they are seen as intrinsic to the show's history: [[Planet of Hats]], [[Proud Warrior Race Guy]], [[Techno Babble]], [[Space Is an Ocean]], [[Humanity Is Superior]] and all manners of [[Applied Phlebotinum|Phlebotinum Abuse]] to name just a few. It is almost easier to name the [[Speculative Fiction Tropes]] Trek ''can't'' get away with by claiming "that's the way it worked for Kirk."
** And then ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Deep Space Nine]]'' came along and [[Deconstruction|deconstructed]] the hell out of ''[[Star Trek]]'', which is the main reason behind its [[Broken Base]].
 
 
== Music ==
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* Similarly any song written before 1970 can get away a man calling a woman their "little girl" without complaint. However if a modern song tried that it would probably suggest unfortunate implications of pedophilia.
* Many acts with long discographies still use styles, gimmicks, and techniques which modern performers could not employ with a straight face. Being [[Kiss]] or Wayne Newton is a great way to have an extremely long career. Imitating them is a great way to be ridiculed (Yes, it's not fair. But until a time machine is invented, that's the way it will be).
 
 
== Newspaper Comics ==
* The [[Beetle Bailey]] characters have worn the same solid olive green (sometime's Sarge's is tan) uniforms since the strip began in 1950, no matter what the situation. Just during war games they put on helmets instead of caps.
* Jon Arbuckle of ''[[Garfield]]'' is still wearing his "powder-blue Oxford shirt" and modest 1978 sideburns most of the time (though this could be due to [[Limited Wardrobe]] or [[Disco Dan]]).
 
 
== Professional Wrestling ==
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* Certain finishing moves become mundane after a while; for instance, the basic DDT is used by many wrestlers, but generally no new guy is going to be able to use a simple DDT as a match ender. However, stars that used it as their finisher before it everyone started using (and kicking out of it), such as Tommy Dreamer, Raven, and ''especially'' the move's inventor [[Jake Roberts|Jake "The Snake" Roberts]], still used it as a finisher.
* Sometimes, a wrestler's theme music becomes so identified with the wrestler himself that changing it just wouldn't work. [[Shawn Michaels]] may have remained attractive, but "Sexy Boy" didn't really fit his gimmick in the last few years of his career. [[Crowning Music of Awesome|Not that anyone complained]].
 
 
== Theater ==
* More objectionable bits in ''[[The Mikado]]'' are often [[bowdlerize]]d out (most consistently, a character's assertion that "the nigger serenader and the others of his race... would none of them be missed"), but the basic premise of mostly Caucasian actors in whiteface, kimonos, and black wigs in a gross (albeit allegorical) mockery of Meiji's Japan, remains intact. It should be noted that ''The Mikado'' is satire at its finest, using a patently absurd version of Japan to mock contemporary ''British'' culture.
** It is recorded that when Prince Fushimi Sadanaru of Japan (a relative of the Emperor and a confidant of Crown Prince Yoshihito, who became Emperor Taisho) made a state visit to Britain in 1907, all productions of ''the Mikado'' were shut down for fear of offending him. This proved to be a mistake, since the Crown Prince had looked forward to seeing it. ''The Mikado'' is still very popular in Japan; evidently, the fact that the society is obviously more British than Japanese makes it easier to get [[Gilbert and Sullivan]]'s point.
 
 
== Video Games ==
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**** And in [[Super Mario RPG]]...[[Inverted Trope|well]]... {{spoiler|Bowser gets kicked out of his castle by an even worse enemy and ''[[Enemy Mine|joins you]]'' -- and Princess Toadstool does, too!}}
* Even the latest games today often ask you to "Press Start", before dropping you into the game or bringing you to the main menu interface, whether or not pressing other buttons would do the same thing. It's averted more and more often these days, but it's still tremendously common. Indeed, it can feel pretty weird to get to the title screen of, say, ''[[Super Paper Mario]]'', and be told "Press 2", or having ''[[Pokémon Gold and Silver|HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'' say to "Touch [the touch screen] to Start" despite the fact that pressing start works just fine.
* ''[[Command & Conquer]]'' is so well-known for its [[Full Motion Video]] cutscenes that when ''Generals'' didn't include them, there was a backlash (granted, [[In Name Only|the lack of FMV wasn't the only difference between Generals and the old games]]). Now FMV are largely discredited, however C&C gets away with it due to the series' history. The new installments of the Tiberium and Red Alert franchises have brought in all number of [[Hey, It's That Guy!|really familiar actors]], engaging as much [[Ham-to-Ham Combat]] as possible (e.g. [[J. K. Simmons|JK Simmons]], [[Tim Curry]], and [[George Takei]] as the leaders of the factions in ''[[Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3]]''). Indeed, ''[[Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3]]'' has taught us that when your game has [[Refuge in Audacity|amphibious man-cannons that shoot trained attack bears with parachutes]] you can get away with literally anything.
* The classic ''[[Mega Man (video game)|Mega Man]]'' series exists on this trope. ''9'' and ''10'' feature all of the cliches that are featured in the rest of the series, including the eight robot masters, getting weapons from defeated enemies, moving on to Wily's fortress, [[Hijacked by Ganon|Wily hijacking the plot]], and even the 8-bit graphics and sound. Somehow, it works.
** On a smaller note, ''[[Mega Man ZX]]'' and its sequel having [[Bottomless Pits]] and [[Spikes of Doom]], both of which lie in contention with their [[Metroidvania]]-style, "explore everywhere" design philosophy.
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* [[Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine]] gets away with the [[Undead Horse Trope]]s of [[Real Is Brown]], [[A Space Marine Is You]], and a virtual cliche storm in part because the setting helped codify some of those tropes and was using others back when the NES was high tech. These tropes aren't quite [[Dead Horse Trope|dead]] yet, but they're being mocked and derided openly. Cory Rydell and Grey Carter explain fan reactions [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9123-Critical-Miss-Space-Marine here.]
 
== WebcomicsWeb Comics ==
* The long-running ''[[Bob and George]]'' got away with such [[Sprite Comic]] cliches as an all-powerful [[Author Avatar]], absolutely [[No Fourth Wall]], and comically one-dimensional characters (to be precise, one-dimensional versions of ''[[Mega Man (video game)|Mega Man]]'' characters) because it either started or popularized almost all of these tropes for webcomics. This also unfortunately leads to a tendency of [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]].
** [http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/050314c Plus getting away with mere recolors.]
* Likewise, ''[[Penny Arcade]]'' and other webcomics that started before 2000 can be excused for [[Two Gamers on a Couch|using the tropes]] that they popularized in the first place.
 
== Western Animation ==
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{{quote|'''Homer:''' And that horrible act of child abuse became one of our most beloved running gags.}}
** It helps that ''[[The Simpsons]]'' is not only a cartoon, but gave up even the pretense of being a "realistic working-class sitcom" ages ago.
 
 
== Webcomics ==
* The long-running ''[[Bob and George]]'' got away with such [[Sprite Comic]] cliches as an all-powerful [[Author Avatar]], absolutely [[No Fourth Wall]], and comically one-dimensional characters (to be precise, one-dimensional versions of ''[[Mega Man (video game)|Mega Man]]'' characters) because it either started or popularized almost all of these tropes for webcomics. This also unfortunately leads to a tendency of [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]].
** [http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/050314c Plus getting away with mere recolors.]
* Likewise, ''[[Penny Arcade]]'' and other webcomics that started before 2000 can be excused for [[Two Gamers on a Couch|using the tropes]] that they popularized in the first place.
 
 
== TV Tropes and All The Tropes ==
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** [[The Scrappy]]: Even though character-named tropes are heavily frowned upon since not everyone will get the reference, The Scrappy has held on since it's one of the most heavily-linked tropes on the site.
*** Luckily it sounds sort of like "[[The Scrappy]]". Also it gives the sense of something being the scraps that you toss aside.
** Anything with the word "[[Xanatos" on itGambit]]. Yes, we know that not everyone's heard of the original [[Gargoyles|David Xanatos]], but since [[Xanatos Gambit]] is a [[Tropes of Legend|Trope of Legend]] and the term has percolated through the rest of the internet, it's not getting renamed. Other Xanatos tropes have been renamed.
*** Mostly revoked now. [[Xanatos Gambit]] is itself still privileged, but other Xanatos tropes have been renamed.
** [[The Dragon]]: Not indicative of what that trope is at all, but it is one of the most linked tropes on the site. (Its usage in this context also predates the site.)
** [[One-Winged Angel]]: A Trope of Legend. The name is a reference to Sephiroth's theme song from ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]''.<ref>(Despite the fact that he had seven wings).</ref> It's not obvious by the title it's about a villain transforming. It resisted a attempt to give it a more descriptive name largely because of its large number of [[Wick]]s and this trope.
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** The Packers are a further example - they're publicly owned as a stock (one that has many more restrictions than most, but still classified as one). The NFL doesn't allow teams to sell shares of NFL teams anymore, but the Packers are still allowed to do this,<ref>Although they do have to get NFL permission before issuing any new stock</ref> ensuring that the Green Bay Packers are unique in their league in regards to the ownership situation.
* Also true of British and Irish international sports teams. Virtually every sport works by the rule of one team per country, and when countries split (USSR, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia) or unite (Tanzania, Germany) the teams follow. But Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland have their own teams in almost all sports, even though the countries are the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, because they began most international competition. The divided loyalties of Northern Irish people (see [[Stroke Country]]) complicate matters further.
** Soccer (and futsal) is a rarity, in that Ireland is split Republic/North (the NI team stubbornly styled themselves "Ireland" until 1950), but there are separate Scotland/Wales/England/NI teams. Great Britain teams went to the Olympics 1904-72, but when amateurs left the Olympics, so did Team GB. They will reformreformed for London 2012.
*** There was a separate NI cricket team at the 1998 Commonwealth Games (the Republic of Ireland is not part of the Commonwealth).
*** NI volleyball team play in the European Small Nations division.
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* The prefix e- for computer-related thing will get you ridiculed now. Only e-mail and perhaps ebooks can really get away with it. Perhaps this is because [[Everything Is an iPod In The Future|i is the new e.]]
* A ''literal'' Grandfather Clause: Most people in the Western world younger than 70 years of age will be harshly reprimanded or at least mocked for [[Values Dissonance]], while those in the twilight of their lives are viewed with tolerance (and sometimes condescension) for holding identical attitudes because [[Racist Grandma|"they don't know any better."]]
* [[The Coconut Effect]]: It would be very easy to record real horses... but people are so used to the sound of coconut halves banged together that it wouldn't be recognized for what it was and would "[[Reality Is Unrealistic|sound wrong]]."
* Pets. There is a well-defined set of "normal" pet animals which have been part of human existence for years (if not millennia), and legislation and custom are always written around the assumption that people are entitled to buy and own these animals. Outside that well-defined set, just watch the people start to stare and the legal compliance issues start to mount.
** Case in point -- [[Weasel Mascot|Ferrets]]. They're the 3rd most popular pet in the US, yet you never see them in the media and laws and regulations prohibiting their ownership abound.