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** The iphone version thankfully (and oddly, since it could have been recreated with Open Feint or something) removes the "mail your friends" requirement and simply allows you to get the mognet mails and sidequests by advancing the game and [[Talk to Everyone|Talking to key NPCs.]]
** The iphone version thankfully (and oddly, since it could have been recreated with Open Feint or something) removes the "mail your friends" requirement and simply allows you to get the mognet mails and sidequests by advancing the game and [[Talk to Everyone|Talking to key NPCs.]]
* In the [[Video Game Remake|DS release]] of ''[[Final Fantasy IV (Video Game)|Final Fantasy IV]]'' has, among other things, an "Augment" system wherein you can teach characters certain helpful abilities. These items are one-of-a-kind, and said character will know them permanently. The catch is, if you teach Augments to temporary party members, you are rewarded with more (better) Augments. This little fact is nowhere to be found in the manual, or in-game. What fun.
* In the [[Video Game Remake|DS release]] of ''[[Final Fantasy IV (Video Game)|Final Fantasy IV]]'' has, among other things, an "Augment" system wherein you can teach characters certain helpful abilities. These items are one-of-a-kind, and said character will know them permanently. The catch is, if you teach Augments to temporary party members, you are rewarded with more (better) Augments. This little fact is nowhere to be found in the manual, or in-game. What fun.
* ''[[Final Fantasy IV the After Years (Video Game)|Final Fantasy IV the After Years]]'' provides the player with a way to avoid the [[Player Punch]] where {{spoiler|Calca and Brina must be scrapped for parts}}, requiring them to get three items, left completely unmentioned by the game. One of the items is in an obvious jar the player is unlikely to miss. Fair enough. The other two, however? [[Randomly Drops|Random drops]] from a monster that only appears in one out-of-the-way room during one specific lunar cycle (which is the ''worst'' lunar cycle for a party with a black mage and no white mages, as the chapter in question is), and the drop rate is absolutely inexcusably low in this game. And you need two different items from this. Yet any player who knows about this will do it, because {{spoiler|[[Videogame Caring Potential|who could really allow Calca and Brina to die?]]}}
* ''[[Final Fantasy IV the After Years (Video Game)|Final Fantasy IV the After Years]]'' provides the player with a way to avoid the [[Player Punch]] where {{spoiler|Calca and Brina must be scrapped for parts}}, requiring them to get three items, left completely unmentioned by the game. One of the items is in an obvious jar the player is unlikely to miss. Fair enough. The other two, however? [[Randomly Drops|Random drops]] from a monster that only appears in one out-of-the-way room during one specific lunar cycle (which is the ''worst'' lunar cycle for a party with a black mage and no white mages, as the chapter in question is), and the drop rate is absolutely inexcusably low in this game. And you need two different items from this. Yet any player who knows about this will do it, because {{spoiler|[[Video Game Caring Potential|who could really allow Calca and Brina to die?]]}}
** You can also save Golbez during his [[Taking the Bullet]] [[Heroic Sacrifice]] for Cecil. Of course, you have to have a very specific party. {{spoiler|Golbez, Ceodore, Cecil, and Rosa; in other words, Cecil (and by extension Golbez's) family.}}
** You can also save Golbez during his [[Taking the Bullet]] [[Heroic Sacrifice]] for Cecil. Of course, you have to have a very specific party. {{spoiler|Golbez, Ceodore, Cecil, and Rosa; in other words, Cecil (and by extension Golbez's) family.}}
* ''[[Final Fantasy VI (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VI]]'' has a "Cursed Shield" that inflicts nearly every status ailment in the game on the wearer. But if they survive 256 battles wearing the shield, it becomes uncursed and is now the best shield in the game
* ''[[Final Fantasy VI (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VI]]'' has a "Cursed Shield" that inflicts nearly every status ailment in the game on the wearer. But if they survive 256 battles wearing the shield, it becomes uncursed and is now the best shield in the game
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*** The Synthesis system in general will turn you into a hoarder with your items. Usually, most players will sell old equipment that they no longer use, only to kick themselves when they see that a powerful item to create needs some old items that you ''used'' to have and most likely can't get another one. Players who are playing the game more than once (or looked up an FAQ online) can avoid this trope, but many first time players were not pleased to discover that it is better to save your old stuff so you can use them later to create better items.
*** The Synthesis system in general will turn you into a hoarder with your items. Usually, most players will sell old equipment that they no longer use, only to kick themselves when they see that a powerful item to create needs some old items that you ''used'' to have and most likely can't get another one. Players who are playing the game more than once (or looked up an FAQ online) can avoid this trope, but many first time players were not pleased to discover that it is better to save your old stuff so you can use them later to create better items.
*** There's one scene in which you can perform a certain action, and it does nothing. You have to do it ''thirteen times in succession'' to reveal one of the secret items. Needless to say, there are no hints for this.
*** There's one scene in which you can perform a certain action, and it does nothing. You have to do it ''thirteen times in succession'' to reveal one of the secret items. Needless to say, there are no hints for this.
* In ''[[Final Fantasy X (Video Game)|Final Fantasy X]]'', players can input one-word destination passwords in the [[Global Airship]] that lead to hidden locations that each contain a treasure chest, one of which houses Rikku's [[Infinity Plus One Sword]]. While perhaps not technically a Guide Dang It, virtually all players learned of these passwords via a guide, as the method for discovering the passwords the normal way is so incredibly obscure that most players don't even know it exists (it involves [[Moon Logic Puzzle|deciphering deeply-hidden, nonsensical messages left throughout the game world]]).
* In ''[[Final Fantasy X (Video Game)|Final Fantasy X]]'', players can input one-word destination passwords in the [[Global Airship]] that lead to hidden locations that each contain a treasure chest, one of which houses Rikku's [[Infinity+1 Sword]]. While perhaps not technically a Guide Dang It, virtually all players learned of these passwords via a guide, as the method for discovering the passwords the normal way is so incredibly obscure that most players don't even know it exists (it involves [[Moon Logic Puzzle|deciphering deeply-hidden, nonsensical messages left throughout the game world]]).
** Finding the all 26 Al Bhed Primers without a guide is nigh impossible. About half of them is easy to find or get from NPCs, but the other half is either [[Lost Forever|lost forever in a location you can't go back to]], [[Pixel Hunt|blend into the scenery so well your only hope finding them is smashing the 'X' button while you walk]] or hidden in an optional location you can only find if you, again, keep hitting the 'X' on the airship map in hopes of finding something, without any in-game hint to ITS existence.
** Finding the all 26 Al Bhed Primers without a guide is nigh impossible. About half of them is easy to find or get from NPCs, but the other half is either [[Lost Forever|lost forever in a location you can't go back to]], [[Pixel Hunt|blend into the scenery so well your only hope finding them is smashing the 'X' button while you walk]] or hidden in an optional location you can only find if you, again, keep hitting the 'X' on the airship map in hopes of finding something, without any in-game hint to ITS existence.
** Also the ultimate weapons and the ridiculous hoops we had to jump through. The biggest example would probably be having to dodge 200 lightning bolts in a row. There is no in-game hint about how many you have to dodge, or even that there will be a reward; without a guide, many players would probably stop around 50-60 and assume the item they were given was the final prize. The Chocobo race also deserves a mention.
** Also the ultimate weapons and the ridiculous hoops we had to jump through. The biggest example would probably be having to dodge 200 lightning bolts in a row. There is no in-game hint about how many you have to dodge, or even that there will be a reward; without a guide, many players would probably stop around 50-60 and assume the item they were given was the final prize. The Chocobo race also deserves a mention.
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** Let's not even get into the stuff that would be way too obtuse to find if the game files weren't so heavily picked apart for information...
** Let's not even get into the stuff that would be way too obtuse to find if the game files weren't so heavily picked apart for information...
** For example, to obtain the useful unique armor for the Scholar class, you are told to find some random object. The name at best suggests a single zone to look in. Now, amongst the items you need to get, one only appears during certain weather, transporting between many spots in the zone each time it rains. Another only appears at certain times of the day. In addition, these objects (And the vast majority of quest items not dropped from monsters), do not actually appear on the map. Rather you must mash the tab button until a blank point on the ground gets highlighted (Labeled as ???, just in case you might have thought to write down what you found and where you found it for later). Even with guides telling you where and when to look, it can still take hours.
** For example, to obtain the useful unique armor for the Scholar class, you are told to find some random object. The name at best suggests a single zone to look in. Now, amongst the items you need to get, one only appears during certain weather, transporting between many spots in the zone each time it rains. Another only appears at certain times of the day. In addition, these objects (And the vast majority of quest items not dropped from monsters), do not actually appear on the map. Rather you must mash the tab button until a blank point on the ground gets highlighted (Labeled as ???, just in case you might have thought to write down what you found and where you found it for later). Even with guides telling you where and when to look, it can still take hours.
*** And yet we still haven't talked about the gardening yet. It sounds easy: buy a flower pot and get some seeds, then put the pot in your Mog House and plant the seeds. What they don't tell you is that the seeds will not only have different yields, but also give you different crops depending on: what day of the week you planted them on, what [[Elemental Rock Paper Scissors|elemental energy]] is flowing in your house, what [[Green Rocks|crystal]], if any, you feed the plant when you have the option to, how long you leave it planted, [[Overly Long Gag|how many times you examined it per day when it was growing, and the phases of the in-game moon.]] Squenix apparently loves having you figure crap out by yourself because time it takes you to figure it out means more subscription money for them. Those [[Magnificent Bastard|magnificent bastards...]]
*** And yet we still haven't talked about the gardening yet. It sounds easy: buy a flower pot and get some seeds, then put the pot in your Mog House and plant the seeds. What they don't tell you is that the seeds will not only have different yields, but also give you different crops depending on: what day of the week you planted them on, what [[Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors|elemental energy]] is flowing in your house, what [[Green Rocks|crystal]], if any, you feed the plant when you have the option to, how long you leave it planted, [[Overly Long Gag|how many times you examined it per day when it was growing, and the phases of the in-game moon.]] Squenix apparently loves having you figure crap out by yourself because time it takes you to figure it out means more subscription money for them. Those [[Magnificent Bastard|magnificent bastards...]]
*** Crafting. Just... Crafting. While yes, the NPCs in the guilds flat out tell you SOME recipes for random items, they don't tell you all of them. Especially, ya know... The useful ones.
*** Crafting. Just... Crafting. While yes, the NPCs in the guilds flat out tell you SOME recipes for random items, they don't tell you all of them. Especially, ya know... The useful ones.
* In ''[[Final Fantasy XII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XII]]'', obtaining the Zodiac Spear requires ''not'' opening four specific unmarked chests which are not mentioned anywhere in the game. This would be a prime example. Granted, if you got greedy and opened the "unlucky" chests, there is another chest that can cough it up, [[Randomly Drops|roughly .1% of the time]] (that is to say, 1/1000 chance)... but the said existence of ''that'' chest is in and of itself an example of Guide Dang It.
* In ''[[Final Fantasy XII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XII]]'', obtaining the Zodiac Spear requires ''not'' opening four specific unmarked chests which are not mentioned anywhere in the game. This would be a prime example. Granted, if you got greedy and opened the "unlucky" chests, there is another chest that can cough it up, [[Randomly Drops|roughly .1% of the time]] (that is to say, 1/1000 chance)... but the said existence of ''that'' chest is in and of itself an example of Guide Dang It.
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*** It's a good thing (well, [[No Export for You|not for ''us'']]) that the [[Updated Rerelease]] made them controllable. Not sure why they weren't to begin with.
*** It's a good thing (well, [[No Export for You|not for ''us'']]) that the [[Updated Rerelease]] made them controllable. Not sure why they weren't to begin with.
* [[Final Fantasy XIII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XIII]]: [[That One Attack|Destrucdo]], how is anyone supposed to know that you have to do 12000 damage to the boss before he uses it?
* [[Final Fantasy XIII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XIII]]: [[That One Attack|Destrucdo]], how is anyone supposed to know that you have to do 12000 damage to the boss before he uses it?
** Also, for the ingredient needed to create Rank 3 weapons (basically the [[Infinity Plus One Sword]]) you either have to buy it for 2,000,000 gil for all 6 characters (you'll most likely never gather 12 million gil) or getting it as a 1% random drop from one of the strongest random enemies (which will decimate even a high leveled party really quickly). And there is no way finding it otherwise.
** Also, for the ingredient needed to create Rank 3 weapons (basically the [[Infinity+1 Sword]]) you either have to buy it for 2,000,000 gil for all 6 characters (you'll most likely never gather 12 million gil) or getting it as a 1% random drop from one of the strongest random enemies (which will decimate even a high leveled party really quickly). And there is no way finding it otherwise.
*** The Upgrade system in general is this. While the basic premise is simple enough, good luck not wasting your hard-earned gil. Not enough XP? You just lost your bonus multiplier. Too much XP? Oh well, nice job wasting those components.
*** The Upgrade system in general is this. While the basic premise is simple enough, good luck not wasting your hard-earned gil. Not enough XP? You just lost your bonus multiplier. Too much XP? Oh well, nice job wasting those components.
* ''[[Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XIII-2]]'': One word - fragments. Collecting all 160 requires several Guide Dang Its in itself:
* ''[[Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Video Game)|Final Fantasy XIII-2]]'': One word - fragments. Collecting all 160 requires several Guide Dang Its in itself:
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* [[Mega Manning|Blue Magic]] in general can sometimes feel like this. Some of these spells are ludicrously powerful, reaching almost gamebreaker status, but these are invariably extremely rare, or even one of a kind. Didn't bring your Blue Mage along to fight the boss that has it? TOO BAD.
* [[Mega Manning|Blue Magic]] in general can sometimes feel like this. Some of these spells are ludicrously powerful, reaching almost gamebreaker status, but these are invariably extremely rare, or even one of a kind. Didn't bring your Blue Mage along to fight the boss that has it? TOO BAD.
* ''[[Final Fantasy VII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VII]]'' has some of this with its [[Relationship Values]]. It was calculated by how many times you chose to speak to the other characters, and when forced to speak, what answers you gave. Avoiding as many conversations as possible with the female characters (including optional Yuffie) left you with Barret...for the ''one scene'' in the entire game that this affected. Completely pointless but for some dialog.
* ''[[Final Fantasy VII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VII]]'' has some of this with its [[Relationship Values]]. It was calculated by how many times you chose to speak to the other characters, and when forced to speak, what answers you gave. Avoiding as many conversations as possible with the female characters (including optional Yuffie) left you with Barret...for the ''one scene'' in the entire game that this affected. Completely pointless but for some dialog.
* In ''[[Crisis Core (Video Game)|Crisis Core]]: [[Final Fantasy VII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VII]]'', Minerva is MADE of this. This [[Bonus Boss]] requires you to look up guides every step of the way. Locating the best armor in the game will require this, in addition to learning how to craft the best fusion materia in the game that is mandatory to surviving more than 10 seconds in her presence. Did we forget to mention she spams [[One Hit Kill]] Ultima spells that leave you barely alive even if you block it while wearing said best gear and materia in the game? You'll need a guide to BEATING her too. Also, her [[Limit Break]] Judgment Arrow disables Phoenix Downs. Thankfully, you can Mug her for 99 of them.
* In ''[[Crisis Core (Video Game)|Crisis Core]]: [[Final Fantasy VII (Video Game)|Final Fantasy VII]]'', Minerva is MADE of this. This [[Bonus Boss]] requires you to look up guides every step of the way. Locating the best armor in the game will require this, in addition to learning how to craft the best fusion materia in the game that is mandatory to surviving more than 10 seconds in her presence. Did we forget to mention she spams [[One-Hit Kill]] Ultima spells that leave you barely alive even if you block it while wearing said best gear and materia in the game? You'll need a guide to BEATING her too. Also, her [[Limit Break]] Judgment Arrow disables Phoenix Downs. Thankfully, you can Mug her for 99 of them.


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