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* That last bit has been [[Jossed]] by [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=373 page 373]: Humans were present at the Court's founding. But considering Jones' choice of words, it's possible those first humans were the ones who grew the Court in the first place.
* Furthermore, if the Court really did grow, perhaps the Tic Tocs are a sort of larval form. The Court unleashes them into the world where they eventually settle down and start growing into new Courts. Alternatively, they merely grow into new buildings at the Court's edge, allowing it to expand.
** So where do [[Discworld/Reaper Man|snow globes and shopping trolleys]] fit into this?
*** TicTocs eat snow globes like parrots eat nuts?
* The "element that began the creation of the Court" was known as [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=583 Seed Bismuth].
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These spies (and possibly the entire agency) are sympathetic to the Court, for the time being. Hence why the TicTocs rescued Antimony.
* Possibly [[Jossed]] by [[Word of God|Tom]]: [https://web.archive.org/web/20141203053144/http://gunnerkrigg.proboards75.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=361&page=17#15047 the Men in Black are Court staff].
 
== Bismuth Seed was a [[Powered by a Forsaken Child|person]], and Antimony has something to do with it. ==
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== The purpose of the Court's "trying to become like God" is resurrection ==
The Court's current goal is to resurrect people, probably starting with Jeanne. Because harnessing supernatural powers and science to bring someone to life [[Fullmetal Alchemist|never]] [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|ever]] [[xxxHolic×××HOLiC|goes]] [[Frankenstein|wrong]].
 
 
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The placard on Jones' door (panel one of [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=161 this page]) does not have a first initial. The placard on Eglamore's door (panel three of the same page) does. And she does insist on being addressed without the honorific "Miss".
* Obligatory name derivation, for what it's worth: Jones originated as a Welsh surname, originally ''ap Jones'' = "(child/son) of John". It's the second most common English surname, after "Smith", and unfortunately I can't find any equivalent to the [[The Matrix|"Smith that blows on the coals"]] for it. Yet.
* [http://www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/261930246 Confirmed.]{{Dead link}}
** However, Coyote [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=817 disagrees]. [[Jossed]].
*** Coyote says nothing to the point on that page. ''Antimony'' says "Ms. Jones!", and Jones says "Just Jones will do". If anything, that looks like a confirmation to me.
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*** It may not be a pure power thing, knowing how many rules and laws there seem to be governing interactions between the Court and the Forest, there may be a 'Jones may pass freely from one to the other with anything she can carry.' It would also explain how she got in when Eglamore was stopped at the bridge.
== Jones is from Gillitie Wood. ==
As mentioned above, she has Only One Name -- because she didn't take a name [https://web.archive.org/web/20150310154233/http://gunnerkrigg.proboards75.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1170356483&page=15#1195118446 until she came to the Court.] She's not a fairy, as she lacks the [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=332 grey eyes and pointy ears] the other former fairies have. Instead, she's one of the "bunch of different stuff" that [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=321 Red mentioned]. Her past with Gillitie would explain her knowledge of the Woods and her neutrality between the Court and the Wood.
* She could easily be one of those "traitors" that Ysengrin mentions [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=494 here], a creature from the forest who decided to become Human.
 
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* The author does really like to mess with the audience. This could be more of a case of him wanting Reynardine to be an morally ambiguous character. He wants to take over Annie: she's not Surma, after all, and is a sort of representation of who Reynardine lost out to (she isn't just Surma's daughter, she's Anthony's too); besides, he's desperate. But as he gets to know Annie he recognizes more and more of Surma, and develops a parental attachment to her, especially after finding out about how her father abandoned her. This fits with his prior actions when he possessed that guy to get to Surma. He loved her deeply, sure, but he was willing to kill some whom she probably cared about to get to her. He's not precisely evil or good, which is what makes the comic interesting and unpredictable.
** Coyote stated that Reynardine loved humans, and he was clearly incredulous at the notion that Rey would have tried to possess and kill Annie, of all people. He seemed to indicate that it was ''because'' Rey cared for Surma's daughter so deeply that he ended up with her in the first place. Rey's special treatment of her at their first encounter on the rooftop, and his mental confirmation that she was indeed Surma's daughter upon seeing her necklace after she passed out, suggest that he didn't simply view her as just another human, let alone another body to steal. To be sure, Rey is a criminal due to his deliberate killings of an unnamed man (being blinded by passion) and Sivo (possibly considering his life to be less valuable than a human's?), but that doesn't mean he's evil to the point of murdering the daughter of the woman he loved simply to escape captivity. Besides, Tom has stated that Rey regrets his murders "every minute of the day" and that his current enslavement "gives him the opportunity to easily hide from the consequences". If Rey were truly that indifferent about the loss of a human/sentient life, how would he come to such a state of chronic regret when he can so easily hide from the consequences of his actions?
* Tom is trolling us all. [http://www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/410721326 He says]{{Dead link}} he planned to have the readership split in two over this very issue.
* Further justification: if Reynardine was REALLY planning on taking over Annie's body, he would have waited until Eglamore far enough away that he wouldn't notice the switch. He certainly wouldn't have loudly announced his intentions to Eglamore who just happened to be conveniently close enough to push Annie out of way and witness the "failed" attempt.
 
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== Annie's father is Reynardine. ==
Anthony could still technically be her father if Reynardine had possessed her father at the time. Coyote comes out and says that Reynardine had a thing for Surma and asked to steal bodies just so he could be closer to her. After a while, he probably got bored with human life, which was when Annie's father disappeared... Reynardine left his body and killed him.
* Tom's word on the subject: [https://web.archive.org/web/20101129210107/http://sentientonline.net/?p=1351 "Oh, also, Reynardine is not Annie’s dad in any way, shape or form."]
 
== Annie's mother was/was possessed by Reynardine. ==
She dies, Annie gets sent to Gunnerkrigg Court, a few weeks later Reynard shows up at GC and "accidentally" breaks through the roof of Annie's bunk (not just her dorm, her ''bunk''), and ends up possessing a doll that Surma pre-treated to be (or at least appear to be) a trap for Reynard or some other being with Coyote's bodysnatching power? It seems a bit like a [[Contrived Coincidence]]. If Sivo was supposed to have been known to be possessed since before Annie's mum died, Reynardine made a deal with him that Sivo gets him to the court and provides him with an alibi for not being Surma, and Reynard [[Death Equals Redemption|provides Sivo with an alibi for anything he did shortly before his possession]]. [https://web.archive.org/web/20101129210107/http://sentientonline.net/?p=1351 "Oh, also, Reynardine is not Annie’s dad in any way, shape or form."] [[Exact Words|Just]] [[From a Certain Point of View|like]] [[Norse Mythology|Loki]] [[Gender Bender|was not]] [[Shapeshifting Squick|Sleipner's dad in any way, shape, or form]].
 
== [[Body Surf|For]] [[Nerf|Reynardine]], [[The Mind Is a Plaything of the Body|the body shapes the mind]]. ==
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That thing has been a [[Chekhov's Gun]] for ages. Zimmy was fleeing from that scar before she finally agreed to deal with whatever Annie was suffering from. All and all, it's a pretty good bet that whatever etheral poison that the dead woman's blade carries is finally starting to take its toll.
* The cut got part-healed after Coyote licked it. He only commented on the power of whatever left this, so most likely there's nothing more to it. It didn't look worse the last time it was seen. And slow "bleeding" causing a sudden collapse doesn't fit well after all this time and with her current power level.
** The idea that Coyote would have healed the wound has been [[Jossed]] [http://www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/1847158949 by Tom himself]{{Dead link}}. Nothing has been done to treat or otherwise study it, as far as we've been shown. And Coyote doesn't always tell everything.
 
== Annie and Surma ==
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Surma fell in love with him because her medium abilities allowed her to see his feelings anyway.<br />Thinking back on it, this could simply be a form of autism.
* From what we learn about him in Chapter 37, this looks really, really likely... or depending on your reading, all but Jossed.
* Chapter 64 answers this conclusively: in certain circumstances Anthony can stop being wooden and start acting like a human being.
 
== Anthony is still searching for cure. ==
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* ''Divine'' shows that Anthony's done something to Annie that Zimmy sees as {{spoiler|bones through the centre of her being}}. Tony thinks he's found a way to revive Surma by {{spoiler|using the life force Annie took from her}}, and he's started the process. Whether or not whatever Zimmy does will work has yet to be seen, but he won't be happy.
** That requires a mighty conclusion leap even to the start of this. Double so given that Anthony barely conceded "that magic crap" exists at all, and only because he saw it. And now, suddenly, he outdoes Anja with her tattoo-terminals. Yeah, right.
** Chapter 53 answers the enigma of Chapter 38. The answer, unsurprisingly, is that Anthony had an extremely vague<ref>as in, standing out even in Gunner'verse where magic works in such ways that even people studying it tend to fall back on "look, it just does" after 2-3 questions</ref> idea of what the hell he was doing. And between his habitual quiet hubris and being hopelessly out of shape mentally, he neither was pondering long and hard on what can go wrong, nor even asked those who would know better for more details.
 
== Anthony is searching for a way to protect Annie from sharing the same fate as her mum. ==
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== Kat grows up to be [[Dresden Codak|Kimiko "Thunderbolt" Ross]]. ==
[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=144 look] at [https://web.archive.org/web/20130726072036/http://www.dresdencodak.com/cartoons/dc_037.html THEM], clearly after all the interaction with hybrid tree people, Kat decides to start merging humans with technology, and a transhumanist is born.
* Thank you, I just read the whole comic in one binge and came to this page specifically to look for or add the WMG that Kimiko is related to one or both of Kat and Annie. Kat shares her interests in a lot of ways but Annie is closer in personality.
* Hey, isn't it Robot at the end of that comic? He's got those wings, and is referred to as "Robot"!
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== Zimmy's "pin" ==
Is just a pin. While she probably wasn't confined to a horrible orphanage like real-life orphans from Eastern Europe, she clings dearly to the few things she can call her own, like the pin and her friend/madness-dampener Gamma.
* [[Discworld/Going Postal (Discworld)|See a pin, pick it up, all day long, you'll have a pin]].
* Maybe not: high-tech tracking devices don't work on Zimmy, so something as crude as a faintly radioactive button should do the trick.
 
== The place Zimmy goes to is artist Zdzisław Beksiński's mindscape ==
I mean, [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20101026043617/http://beksinski.pl/ just look at his stuff.]
 
== If Zimmy survives whatever Tom has in store for her, she'll eventually find peace ==
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== Zimmy grows up to be Kath from ''Wapsi Square''. ==
No logic to support this. Just... [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=75 look] at [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20090216190204/http://wapsisquare.com/d/20031001.html them].
 
== "Zeta" and "Gamma" are code names ==
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This explains a lot of his behavior. He treats Annie and Kat without respect because he figures that if his world isn't real, he can do anything he wants without consequences. Also, his unique [[Medium Awareness]] makes him a [[Ted Baxter|megalomaniac]] - he believes that, as the only one who knows the true nature of the world, he has the right to treat everyone else with contempt.
** [[Jossed]] by [[Word of God]] [http://www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/370337133 here]{{Dead link}}.
 
== Jack's [[Bullying a Dragon|teasing]] of Kat, whose parents are teachers and Annie the medium is a cry for help ==
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== The Gunnerverse is the present day of the ''[[Girl Genius]]'' 'verse. ==
[[Word of God|Word Of Tom]] says that the story takes place in [https://web.archive.org/web/20150310195844/http://gunnerkrigg.proboards75.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=40&page=27#11036 "a current year"], and that Britain's queen is not Elizabeth II, but [https://web.archive.org/web/20150310113841/http://gunnerkrigg.proboards75.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=361&page=1#11150 a fictional queen.] This could easily be Her Undying Majesty, Queen Albia. Presumably, schools like Gunnerkrigg helped unusual children channel their talents for constructive purposes, preventing the destructive infighting that had ravaged Europa from taking root in the British Isles. This, and Britain's independence from the Wulfenbach Empire, allowed the U.K. to [[In Spite of a Nail|evolve into a society nearly identical to ours]].
 
The name "Gunnerkrigg" [[Shout-Out|already exists]] in the ''Girl Genius'' 'verse: it's the name of a [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070319 guesthouse in Mechanicsburg.] Either the school in Britain and the inn in Mechanicsburg are both named after some third source (probably Scandinavian), or the Mechanicsburg innkeepers fled the city (possibly during the turmoil that's arisen since Agatha returned). Seeking to start a new Court as far from Sparks and Technology as possible, they [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=373 settled in a magic forest in northern England.]
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== ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' is also in the Gunnerverse. ==
Tom Siddell is himself a student at the Court. (See [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=296 page 296] and the picture of Tea on the [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/art.html Art page.]) [https://web.archive.org/web/20151105233515/http://gunnerkrigg.proboards75.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=40&page=1#3226 Tom Siddell beat up Sonic the Hedgehog once.]
 
This ties in nicely with the aforementioned ''Girl Genius'' crossover theory, as [[Sonic the Hedgehog/WMG|WMG has proven]] that ''Sonic'' is also the future of the GG-verse.
 
== Ditto ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20131123045510/http://www.platinumgrit.com/ Platinum Grit]''. This is a big 'verse. ==
Science! Magic! Mysterious spirits! Even more [[Mysterious Parent|mysterious family backstories]] (complete with [[Generation Xerox|photos of the last generation looking a lot like this generation]])! A castle that's as damn well big as the plot damn well needs! A suspicious lack of clearcut villains in the recurring cast!
 
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[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID{{=}}264 This figure in the last panel] looks like a bird with outstretched wings. Possible rough translation: "You can enter."
[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID{{=}}480 This page] shows the same sigils, but sent up in the opposite order. This means that the sigils being used change meaning based on when they are sent. Specifically: these mean "can a representative come" and "a representative can come". }}
[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php?show_id=874 On this page]{{Dead link}}, the shape looks a lot like Khepi and her hair. It could mean something like "Tree-mother" or "Protector Matron". The hair looks like it is curling around a dot, which could represent one of her children. In this case, the sigil could mean something like "Protector Matron welcomes you" or "Protector Matron will house you". [http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=833 The flowing symbol] on the blue banner with the dot on the end looks a bit like the one used when we see Khelpi. Considering the streamers, I wouldn't be surprised if it the flowing with the dot did mean "welcome".
 
== Everyone is playing a pre-destined role in a larger chain of events and these roles have existed since the beginning of the court. ==
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* Sort of confirmed in "Divine"- the tree is powerful because of the memories it evokes in Annie.
 
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