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** While Snape's far from flawless, there are those who will completely overlook his desire to protect people and his loyalty to Dumbledore. There are also those who will say that ''preemptive karma'' justifies James and Sirius bullying him at school.
** While Snape's far from flawless, there are those who will completely overlook his desire to protect people and his loyalty to Dumbledore. There are also those who will say that ''preemptive karma'' justifies James and Sirius bullying him at school.
*** On the other hand, rabid and crazy Snape fans insist that James and Sirius are [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]] and that James bullied/raped/forced Lily into marry him instead of the fanon!Snape they have in mind. Not to mention there's how they demonize Lily for not taking Snape's own bullcrap, openly saying she was a bad friend and a total whore for cutting her friendship with him ''when she had all the reason in the world''.
*** On the other hand, rabid and crazy Snape fans insist that James and Sirius are [[Complete Monster|Complete Monsters]] and that James bullied/raped/forced Lily into marry him instead of the fanon!Snape they have in mind. Not to mention there's how they demonize Lily for not taking Snape's own bullcrap, openly saying she was a bad friend and a total whore for cutting her friendship with him ''when she had all the reason in the world''.
** The entire wizarding world gets this pretty bad. If you listened to the wizard haters talked you'd think wizards were a bunch of bloodthirsty, useless, genocidal retards. It gets even worse whenever you take into account that they clearly don't know the text, such as how wizards have had alliances with people in other countries since the Middle Ages, which is way ahead of Muggles, or that there seems to be almost perfect equality between the sexes, or that Word of God confirms that wizards are somewhat less homophobic, or for that matter using the rubber duck line from the second MOVIE to show how retarded they think wizards are. It gets even worse with recent information from Pottermore, when Rowling's notes state that even in the 1600's whenever Muggles were just beginning to get over their [[Burn the Witch]] hysteria the wizarding public still rebelled against authority because their leaders were too cruel to Muggles, or that during the World Wars the wizards broke the law to help the Muggles they supposedly hate, or the fact that it heavily implies wizards never had a Colonial era.
* [[Rooting for the Empire]]: Loads of it among the fandom; instances range from relatively sane (wishing there were more good Slytherins) to ''completely and utterly ca-ca'' ([[The Woobie|woobifying]] ''Umbridge'').
* [[Rooting for the Empire]]: Loads of it among the fandom; instances range from relatively sane (wishing there were more good Slytherins) to ''completely and utterly ca-ca'' ([[The Woobie|woobifying]] ''Umbridge'').
* [[The Scrappy]]: Dobby. This is a glaring instance of [[Misaimed Fandom]] considering how Dobby is such an [[Iron Woobie]].
* [[The Scrappy]]: Dobby. This is a glaring instance of [[Misaimed Fandom]] considering how Dobby is such an [[Iron Woobie]].
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** Also, the house elves are [[Happiness in Slavery|happy to serve wizards]], with the exception of Dobby, {{spoiler|who dies}}. They like to serve, but they don't like the abuse. They are still, however, completely devoted to their masters (with a few exceptions). Dumbledore, though, warns that if wizards don't start treating house elves as their equals, they'll wind up paying for it.
** Also, the house elves are [[Happiness in Slavery|happy to serve wizards]], with the exception of Dobby, {{spoiler|who dies}}. They like to serve, but they don't like the abuse. They are still, however, completely devoted to their masters (with a few exceptions). Dumbledore, though, warns that if wizards don't start treating house elves as their equals, they'll wind up paying for it.
** There's even a possible subtle [[Take That, Critics!]] in there, with SPEW. Hermione's assumes she knows what's right for the House Elves despite the wishes of the Elves themselves, which is itself an Aesop about her mindset. Almost as if Rowling anticipated the reaction to the [[Happiness in Slavery]] bit.
** There's even a possible subtle [[Take That, Critics!]] in there, with SPEW. Hermione's assumes she knows what's right for the House Elves despite the wishes of the Elves themselves, which is itself an Aesop about her mindset. Almost as if Rowling anticipated the reaction to the [[Happiness in Slavery]] bit.
** House elves seem ''incable'' of existing without a master. Species don't just exist like that. There are symbiotes and parasites but not slaves who will simply take the abuse from their masters without leaving not to mention the weird rules they follow. They even require a possession of their master given to them? Combined with the fact that only richer families seem to have them and regular humans certainly don't have them it comes across as if some rich and influential wizards enslaved them in the past for their own personal use.
** House elves seem ''incable'' of existing without a master. Species don't just exist like that. There are symbiotes and parasites but not slaves who will simply take the abuse from their masters without leaving not to mention the weird rules they follow. They even require a possession of their master given to them? Combined with the fact that only richer families seem to have them and regular humans certainly don't have them it comes across as if some rich and influential wizards enslaved them in the past for their own personal use.
** Of course this is ignoring all the fact that the seventh book finally shows Hermione to be right. Whenever Kreacher is bashing his head into the ground for being physically incapable of following Regulus's order the narrator says that Harry finally understood Hermione's POV.
** It is indicated, based on the Black Family Tree, that virtually every Pureblood family is related in some way through intermarriage. Now bear in mind that a large proportion of this group only marries other Purebloods. Please consider the implications, and just how unfortunate they are.
** It is indicated, based on the Black Family Tree, that virtually every Pureblood family is related in some way through intermarriage. Now bear in mind that a large proportion of this group only marries other Purebloods. Please consider the implications, and just how unfortunate they are.
** To really hammer in the point, if you look at the family trees of some of the pure blood characters, you'll realise something incredibly creepy; almost every single pure blood family is related to the Black family, either by blood or by marriage. This makes all of them distantly related - for example, it's likely that Neville, Ron and Barty Crouch Jr (of all people) share the same great-grandparents. This all makes some of the marriages that take place very dodgy - since the Potters were related to the Blacks, and the Weasley family were as well, it could be possibly that Harry and Ginny are very distantly related. Google Image the family tree for yourself, and the unfortunate implications really ''will'' start booting you in the face.
** To really hammer in the point, if you look at the family trees of some of the pure blood characters, you'll realise something incredibly creepy; almost every single pure blood family is related to the Black family, either by blood or by marriage. This makes all of them distantly related - for example, it's likely that Neville, Ron and Barty Crouch Jr (of all people) share the same great-grandparents. This all makes some of the marriages that take place very dodgy - since the Potters were related to the Blacks, and the Weasley family were as well, it could be possibly that Harry and Ginny are very distantly related. Google Image the family tree for yourself, and the unfortunate implications really ''will'' start booting you in the face.
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** The Minister of Magic thinks an acceptable amount of "communication" with the Prime Minister is showing up in his office every once in a while to tell him about important stuff. Aurors mindwipe witnesses and cover public incidents up as catastrophic accidents. And we see what happens with a Muggle investigation into a magical murder (the Riddles): nothing. An SAS/Auror taskforce would make out like gangbusters, if the Wizarding World got over their patronizing attitude to Muggles long enough to form one. For Pete's sake, they think telling ''only'' the Prime Minister about magical terrorist attacks is good practice.
** The Minister of Magic thinks an acceptable amount of "communication" with the Prime Minister is showing up in his office every once in a while to tell him about important stuff. Aurors mindwipe witnesses and cover public incidents up as catastrophic accidents. And we see what happens with a Muggle investigation into a magical murder (the Riddles): nothing. An SAS/Auror taskforce would make out like gangbusters, if the Wizarding World got over their patronizing attitude to Muggles long enough to form one. For Pete's sake, they think telling ''only'' the Prime Minister about magical terrorist attacks is good practice.
*** It's [[Played for Laughs]] when a wizard spends a good deal of time [[Laser-Guided Amnesia|altering a Muggle's memories]] of wizards showing up to watch the Quidditch World Cup, apparently without anyone considering how casually he's erasing a person's memories.
*** It's [[Played for Laughs]] when a wizard spends a good deal of time [[Laser-Guided Amnesia|altering a Muggle's memories]] of wizards showing up to watch the Quidditch World Cup, apparently without anyone considering how casually he's erasing a person's memories.
** Of course you're all ignoring that the Muggle world be tossed into chaos by revealing magic, or how superstitious people were until wizards started hiding themselves. Also, you're all acting like wizards just sit by and allow all the crime to happen.
** Hermione jinxes the DA signup sheet so anyone who betrays them gets "SNEAK" written across their face in pimples. Marietta betrays them, but only after pressure from her mother and Umbridge, and it happens to her. Even after the pimples fail, she's left with the marks. Rowling's word on the matter is [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?|"I loathe a traitor."]] These are teenagers in school, not professional soldiers. It's a wonder one of them didn't crack sooner, and they can't really be blamed if they did. If they are at fault, they don't deserve disfigurement, especially since Hermione didn't actually tell anyone about the jinx. Now, if she had jinxed it to tell her they had been betrayed, and by who, ''that'' would make more sense.
** Hermione jinxes the DA signup sheet so anyone who betrays them gets "SNEAK" written across their face in pimples. Marietta betrays them, but only after pressure from her mother and Umbridge, and it happens to her. Even after the pimples fail, she's left with the marks. Rowling's word on the matter is [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?|"I loathe a traitor."]] These are teenagers in school, not professional soldiers. It's a wonder one of them didn't crack sooner, and they can't really be blamed if they did. If they are at fault, they don't deserve disfigurement, especially since Hermione didn't actually tell anyone about the jinx. Now, if she had jinxed it to tell her they had been betrayed, and by who, ''that'' would make more sense.
*** Furthermore, Hermione's jinx bears a very creepy resemblence to the medieval punishment of branding a convicted person's crime on their face so that all could see it on them for the rest of their lives. Rowling's insistence on making it permanent and her "I loathe a traitor" comment make it sound like she heartily approves of this kind of inhumane punishment.
*** Furthermore, Hermione's jinx bears a very creepy resemblence to the medieval punishment of branding a convicted person's crime on their face so that all could see it on them for the rest of their lives. Rowling's insistence on making it permanent and her "I loathe a traitor" comment make it sound like she heartily approves of this kind of inhumane punishment.