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== The fakes in Snow Mountain Syndrome did not reflect who the dweller desired most, but rather the ones they feared the most ==
* Think about it, Mikuru is the one Kyon knows least about. Also Kyon might fear that she's only using him.
* Then Jaruhi finds Jyon very mysterious which gives her an uncertainty and fear of him.
* Itsuki and Yuki wonder if Kyon's hiding something from them and maybe suspect that Kyon might be using Haruhi for his own nefarious purpose.
* You know why Mikuru would fear Haruhi.
== ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' is a previous iteration of Haruhi's universe, and Asuka a previous incarnation of her ==
Haruhi developed an interest in mecha anime, conspiracy theories, esoteric mysticism, and psychology, and decided to create a universe based on them to entertain herself for a while. unfortunately, things went horribly wrong, and she decided to scrap that universe and create a somewhat nicer, more normal one to apologize to the people she made suffer, and surrounding herself with people she knew in that life: Rei as guess fucking who, Kaworu as Itsuki, Misato as Tsuruya, and of course, [[Those Two Guys]] as [[Those Two Guys|those two other guys]]. Meanwhile, [[Butt Monkey|Shinji]] is [[The Chew Toy|Mikuru]] and Gendo is Kyon (Gendo even looks like a grown-up battered-down Kyon), partly to punish them, but also to ensure Gendo/Kyon can use his bastardry to indirectly play God if need be. She's mostly happy now, but occasionally, her dreams are haunted by strange, destructive, incomprehensible giants wreaking havoc on the works of man...
* Perhaps Haruhi is Shinji (aka, Haruhi is God, Shinji [[End of the World Special|becomes God]], and here on TV Tropes we refer to [[Shinji and
* Alternately, Shinji is Kyon and Mikuru is Gendo.
** Having possibly treated Shinji the worst in the original universe to the point of disgusting even other jerkasses (such as herself), she gave him Gendo's confidence/stoicism/whathaveyou to toughen him up, and gave him the ability to indirectly play god to make up for what she put him through in the old universe. [[Can't Spit It Out|However, she still can't admit]] [[Tsundere|that she likes him,]] [[Butt Monkey|and kept him unlucky for her own amusement.]]
** Meanwhile, due to what Gendo did in the original universe, she stripped him of his confidence/stoicism/whathaveyou, flipped his gender around, and made him into the [[Chew Toy]]. There's a possibility that she remembers what happened in the original universe, but can't say anything about it due to the whole 'Classified Information' Schtick, which would make her 'comeuppance' even more delicious... (Alternatively, Gendo ''[[The Atoner|chose]]'' to play the role of the Chew Toy, well in the ''End of Evangelion'' he asks Shinji for forgiveness {{spoiler|during the Instrumentality sequence where he visualizes himself as eaten by Eva-01}}, and what more painful way for a powerful and domineering [[Magnificent Bastard|Über-]][[Kavorka Man|Pimp]] to atone for his sins than to lie at the [[The Chew Toy|bottom]]?).
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They have to carefully screen out/ delete anything that their test audiences (who were carefully selected to be on a similar mental level) react too positively to, otherwise she'll change everything into what she's been watching. And this group fears the day that the SOS Brigade fails, Haruhi gets really depressed, and engrossed by [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|a series that's too well known and too much of a marketing giant]] for the organization to [[Ret-Gone]]
== Haruhi takes place in the [[
If we take Kyon to be a [[Mega Ten]] MC, then look at it. He can't use any supernatural abilities, but he has an uncanny knack for persuading various 'demons' to side with him. The Data entities can use digital machinations to interfere with reality, and probably could write a program that summoned demons. The presence of time travel was demonstrated in Raidou's games. The 'Espers' are likely Avatar Tuners, albeit ones that can only transform in innately unreal places. The factions are The Organization, the IDE, and Mikuru's employers on the Law side, and the SCD, future dissidents, and rogue espers are the Chaos sides. Kyon is currently on the nuetral path, and has actually persuaded the representatives of Law to side with him over their fellows. The Enclosed Spaces are miniature Vortex Worlds created by Haruhi, who somehow has YHVH's power to recreate the world. Also consider that Haruhi's agents within the enclosed spaces are what appear to be Gog Magog http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Gogmagog except with glowing red orbs...a sign of her control?
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* The narration of the stories is ONE of a near-infinite number of possible ways these gaps COULD have been filled.
* In effect, the Narrator of the stories is NOT Kyon, but is in fact Haruhi Suzumiya's imagination, passively imagining exactly what goes on when she is not present.
* The Integrated Data Sentience Entity, time travelers, [[
* This alternative explanation is imagined such that it cannot be proved or disproved based on what Haruhi Suzumiya knows.
To sum up,
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== The entire Haruhi-verse is nothing but a game ==
To be exact, a MMORPG kind of game. Yeah, like the (dot)hack universe. Kyon, Mukuru, Nagato, and Itsuki are players in said game, while Haruhi is just an AI. This explains why she gets little to none character development, it's because she's nothing but an NPC, controlled by the computer. It's also the source of her reality-warping powers. The reason why Kyon is always referred to as just 'Kyon' is because his in-game name is Kyon. '[[
== Haruhi is TV Tropes. ==
At some point, this website becomes a sentient entity.And its powered by the imagination of tropers.Face it,Haruhi is the poster girl for Wild Mass Guessing,and knows her tropes.Not to mention,it'd be AWESOME
* This means that ''[[Kyon:
== The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya take place in The World of Darkness after The Time of Judgment. Haruhi is an Archmaster of Prime who retread to a pocket universe that she carved out of the UMBRA several centuries after the end of the Ascension War ==
Haruhi Suzumiya was originally a Japanese Hollow One with a knack for magic of The Prime Sphere. Who formed an eclectic Cabal while in high school. Consisting of a pair Of Sleepwalkers, Kyon and his little sister. A quite Virtual Adepts named Yuki Nagato. A positively adorable and seemingly incompetent Etherite from an alternate timeline,Mikuru Asahina. And a flamboyant Celestial Chorister, Itsuki Koizumi.
Haruhi named her cabal the S.O.S Brigade, and lead them on all manor of CONSENSUS shattering adventures. They took journeys deep into the UMBRA; and threw a concert in City of Concordia in HORIZON Chantry. They Crossed paths with all the other Denizens of The World of Darkness...and had fun with them!
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== There ''was'' originally a death in the Island Mystery, but Haruhi/Kyon rewrote it so it became an elaborate "game" instead. ==
When they realized the full implications (namely, that {{spoiler|Kyon and Itsuki had accidentally killed the victim}}), they rewrote the entire scenario at that very spot, including the past leading up to it. This makes sense whether the one doing the reality-altering is Haruhi ( {{spoiler|who is visibly shaken by her own deduction and refuses to say anything that would incriminate her friends--incidentally showing that she has had some [[Character Development]] as well}}) or Kyon ( {{spoiler|who obviously doesn't want to be guilty of someone else's death, accidental or not}}).
* With the aid of [[Umineko no Naku Koro
* Glad I'm not the only one who thought that was the implication.
** I assumed that was the whole point. Note how she wants an actual mystery on the trip, so whatever happened as a result would be real. It only becomes unreal when she realises that the murderers would be Kyon and Itsuki, and there being no mystery becomes more important than there being a mystery. My evidence? The visual references to Phoenix Wright during the revelation scene; that entire section is made up by Haruhi/Kyon and the visual reference comes from her expectation of what a revelation scene should look like.
== In the previous iteration of the universe, [http://everything2.com/e2node/The%2520world%2520was%2520designed%2520for%2520giant%2520squid octopi were the dominant species]... ==
... however, octo-Haruhi frequented the molluscan version of the TV Tropes Wiki, and became entranced by the idea that [[Everything's Better
* Going by the same logic, the next iteration of the universe will be populated by [[Everything's Better
** Does that mean we're safe from a [[Everything's Worse
** Well, at least we know why [[Everything's Even Worse
== The whole universe the series is set in is one big experimental scenario run by a wacky [[King of All Cosmos]] ==
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== The entire series is an ''Adventures of Mikuru Asahina'' [[Self-Insert Fic]]. Haruhi is an original-character [[Mary Sue]]. ==
The author, American 7th-grader Harriet Sussmeyer, ships Itsuki with the canonically minor character Kyon (yet fails to come up with an actual name for him), refuses to believe Yuki is the villain, and has a Deviant Art account full of drawings of Mikuru in random costumes. Naturally, she's much better acquainted with the conventions of anime than with those of [[
== The members of the SOS Brigade are overestimating the amount of danger Haruhi really represents if she discovers what she is. ==
Or worse, her not knowing is actually putting the universe at GREATER risk. Haruhi might certainly enjoy having the power, but the real threat of her overwriting the current universe is because she ''doesn't know to prevent it'' as things stand. If she became aware, [[Jerk
* I find it difficult to refute this argument. Frankly, I'd rather have the local equivalent of God knowingly giving out [[Psychic Powers]] and bringing in the occasional alien invasion than accidentally ''unmaking the entire universe with a temper tantrum''.
* I agree. Consider that Haruhi is aware that [[Good Feels Good]], demonstrably prefers a nice day hanging out with her friends to actually finding the supernatural stuff she claims to be hunting for, and can be relied upon not to wish people dead even when it would otherwise serve her desires perfectly. Most tellingly of all, Kyon would rather tell Haruhi everything than let Yuki be deleted. Either he has the worst case of [[Always Save the Girl]] in history, or he -- the person who knows Haruhi best -- doesn't really expect the results of her finding out to be that bad.
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* So I guess Asakura is Vista, because she's complicated and occasionally glitches, Nagato is a Mac that's quiet and reliable. Dunno why Emiri would be a Linux, but I'll say she is to fit the theme.
** Emiri is Linux, because she's quiet, calm and controlled and has never glitched before.
** Then again, Nagato could be Windows 2000. She bears more than a passing resemblance to [http://ostan-moyashi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ostan/img/2k1.jpg 2K-tan]{{Dead link}}...
== The Integrated Thought Entity will be destroyed ==
Through a series of deus ex machinas and gaping plot holes, Yuki will somehow become her own being, separate from the ITE, and reduce it to ash. A while after this is done, the ITE will become two separate beings, the [[Futurama|Galactic Entity, and the Brainspawn]].
== The ITE is a [[Cosmic Horror|Lovecraftian Horror.]] ==
Something I thought up on the fly, but I think it makes some sort of sense...It speaks a language not heard by human ears for example...
* This coincides with this troper's speculation that the ITE is a lloigor, or collection of lloigors from the ''[[Illuminatus]]''-trilogy.
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** Another theory is that they are all actually the same faction but simply at different points in the time stream. The Organization will use its power and influence gradually steer events and become the Future Humans of Mikuru's home time and continue to develop until humanity itself evolves beyond time and space and becomes the Integrated Data Thought Entity.
== Aliens and Time Travelers always existed; Haruhi is simply responsible for attracting them to herself ==
Both Mikuru and Yuki give reasons why they are observing Haruhi, the inability to go back in time beyond a certain point and a burst of data with Haruhi at the epicenter, respectively. On the other hand Koizumi claims he instinctively knew about Haruhi and her powers indicating he is fundamentally different from Mikuru and Yuki.
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** Or both made it up. This would also explain, why the time-loop even IS stable, because, as Kyon said, it doesn't make much sense.
== The members of the SOS brigade are different aspects of the same being ==
On this page we have Haruhi is Kyon, and Kyon is the slider. The [[Lucky Star
== The members of the SOS Brigade are exactly what they appear to be. ==
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== The tenth novel and the second season will come out at the same time. ==
One is delaying the other. Either that or Tanigawa has fallen into a space-time rift and they can't find the final draft of the novel, or get his signature for the second season contract.
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== The next season will feature a [[Gender Flip|Gender Flipped]] episode as a [[Shout-Out]] to the fans ==
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It will last for either eight episodes or until August 31st.
* This is exactly the conclusion I came to.
* Confirmed.
== The Endless Eight arc is Kadokawa's attempt at [[Springtime for Hitler]]. ==
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The original first season didn't encompass every story within its chronological period; it still left Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Endless Eight, and The Sigh Of H.S. These three are now almost certainly making up the entirety of the second season. As such, season 2 will entirely fill the chronological gaps of season 1, and season 3 will be a complete blank slate. The more optimistic bit: In the two and a half years, [[Kyo Ani]] have been making a real season 3, entirely fresh and without time-padding repeats, and this will be shown later in the year.
* I don't think [[Real Life]] fits so high on the [[Sliding Scale
== There never was an endless recursion of time. ==
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Yes, yes. Nagaru Tanigawa is just like [[Tite Kubo]].
* Positing an alternate theory, fun times abound: Nagaru Tanigawa actually [[Creator Backlash|hates the series]] but is trapped writing it, much like Anno was with Evangelion and Toriyama was with most of Dragonball Z. Originally, Tanigawa planned Haruhi as a one light novel story: think about it, this explains why everything is wrapped up so nicely, and the ending is left nice and ambiguous so that each reader can come up with their own conclusions. However, after giving the rights to Kadokawa, the popularity of the series exploded, and Tanigawa was left forced to keep milking the cash cow. [[
** So its persistence is a result of [[Executive Meddling]]. [[Kyoto Animation]] saw that this show was practically an open surgery and ripped it apart to create a confused fanbase that would embarrass the above authors. I still refuse to believe that the spinoff series are official products, but if they are, then all the better for this theory.
*** Seven of the novels were published before the anime came about, before it was this apparent cash cow.
== Mikuru is actually [[Azumanga Daioh
As explained
== There is no coherent meaning in Haruhi whatsoever. The real reason why there are possible infinite Wild Mass Guesses about [[
It's also noticable in Wall-E's own WMG page, with it having a WMG dart board rivaling Haruhi Suzumiya's own WMG dart board because of its archetypal "Noah's Ark" structure, and ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'''s own WMG page, because of Evangelion taking Character Archetypes for [[Deconstruction]] and [[Mind Screw]]. There is the possibility that the infinite WMG dart board is the result of its memetic construction: Let's see, a [[Five-Man Band]] composed of a reality-warping God, said God can be an infinite WMG dartboard in itself because it's God, an alien [[Emotionless Girl]] with Matrix-like programmable powers, a [[The Smart Guy|philosophical]] esper who is a part of a secret organization, a [[Ms. Fanservice]] time traveller (don't get started on the [[Time Lord/WMG|Time Lord]] page), and a normal [[Real Life]] person stuck in the middle, said real life person was [[Chosen One|chosen]] to have the responsibility to save the world (and then [[
▲== There is no coherent meaning in Haruhi whatsoever. The real reason why there are possible infinite Wild Mass Guesses about [[Haruhi Suzumiya (Light Novel)|Haruhi Suzumiya]] is because of its heavily archetypal memetic nature ==
▲It's also noticable in Wall-E's own WMG page, with it having a WMG dart board rivaling Haruhi Suzumiya's own WMG dart board because of its archetypal "Noah's Ark" structure, and ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'''s own WMG page, because of Evangelion taking Character Archetypes for [[Deconstruction]] and [[Mind Screw]]. There is the possibility that the infinite WMG dart board is the result of its memetic construction: Let's see, a [[Five-Man Band]] composed of a reality-warping God, said God can be an infinite WMG dartboard in itself because it's God, an alien [[Emotionless Girl]] with Matrix-like programmable powers, a [[The Smart Guy|philosophical]] esper who is a part of a secret organization, a [[Ms. Fanservice]] time traveller (don't get started on the [[Time Lord/WMG|Time Lord]] page), and a normal [[Real Life]] person stuck in the middle, said real life person was [[Chosen One|chosen]] to have the responsibility to save the world (and then [[The Hero's Journey|the monomyth]] takes place on said person). If that ensemble can't be sandwiched in various types of fanfiction, then I don't know what else from Haruhi can be.
== "Magic" and time travel in the future are 1: possible and 2: [[Magic From Technology|based on the skills of human-data interfaces]]. ==
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Of course, this theory has almost no impact on anything whatsoever, I just noticed it and didn't think any conclusion was outright stated. Another possibility is that Real!Yuki made the school a co-ed, so that Kyon would actually be able to find both Haruhi and Itsuki fast enough to beat the key's time limit.
* Interestingly enough, [https://web.archive.org/web/20160415083426/http://www.koyogakuin-j.ed.jp/ Kouyou Gakuin] (the school Kouyouen Academy is based on) ''is'' co-ed, in [[Real Life]]... which one would assume is rather lacking in Espers, Aliens, and Time-Travellers...
== ''The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina'' as told in the series was actually narrated by an [[Unreliable Narrator]] ==
The film was in fact highly successful, with a coherent dramatic plot, a [[Crowning Music of Awesome]], and special effects so realistic.
== [[
Oh, sorry, I'm in the wrong room.
* Agree! Where am I, anyway?
== Kyon and Haruhi are a 100% perfect [[Odd Couple]] ==
Kyon is serious, ordinary, wishes for everything to stay as it is, and secretly believes in aliens, time travellers, psychics and ghosts. Haruhi, on the other hand, is [[Genki Girl|Genki]], eccentric, wishes for everything to be unusual and fantastic, and secretly knows all that stuff she believes in doesn't exist. And, if the theory above is true, then Kyon is the God of Ordinarity, while Haruhi is the Goddess of Weirdness.
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At the beginning, she's going through a depressive episode. She's not interested in anything and finds everything boring and dull. Then she enters a [[Manic Pixie Dream Girl|hypomanic episode]] and starts the S.O.S. brigade. According to the other wiki, hypomanic episodes are characterized by... pressured speech, inflated self-esteem/grandiosity, flight of ideas, [[Attention Deficit Ooh Shiny|easy distractibility]], and involvement in pleasurable activities that may have negative social consequences [[Comedic Sociopathy|(such as dragging Kyon through the corridors by his tie, usurping the Literature room, molesting Mikuru, and blackmailing the computer club president)]]. Note that depressive / hypomanic episodes typically last several days. Later in the series she's going through a "normal" period, though she's still eccentric.
== ''[[Angel Beats
The cast of ''Haruhi'' is the cast of ''[[Angel Beats
== The three explanations for how the world came about are adaptations of similar views in real life ==
Itsuki's represents the biblical stance (God created the universe).
Mikuru's represents the Steady State model of the universe as per Fred Hoyle. From the anime (Sigh part 5):
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Nagato's represents the Big Bang theory. From the novels (the first):
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== DITE is [[Akashic Records]] ==
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