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This can be particularly (even excessively) apparent if what the reviewer is criticizing is either (a) incredibly popular and / or (b) possesses an intensely committed fan-base. It's not easy to go against the grain and admit that your tastes are not in step with the majority, especially if that majority consists of people who mistake an attack on their favorite show as an attack on ''them'' personally and are primed to [[Fan Dumb|flamewar first and skip the asking questions part]].
 
There can be some justification though. If a review comes across as excessively snobbish (like bashing a work for things other than its content, and for standards that the reviewers seems to be arbitrarily applying) or if a reviewer [[Fan Hater|expands their judgementjudgment to the fanbase]], there might be some grounds to lose respect to the reviewer for that. Other grounds to lose respect for the reviewer may include bad journalism; such as where they [[CowboyMedia BebopResearch at His ComputerFailure|obviously did little to no research on the work]], [[Critical Research Failure|gave hints that they weren't paying attention to the work]] and state stuff that's blatantly contradicting stuff ''in'' the work, [[Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch|give almost no evidence they actually were watching it]] (This [[Awful Truth|sadly happens more than you think]]), or were ''obviously'' driving a [[Bias Steamroller]] that ''clearly'' influenced the score.
 
A sub-trope of [[Accentuate the Negative]], and often a direct result of [[8.8]]. Fairly common when [[Critical Backlash]] is involved.
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{{examples}}
== Anime and Manga ==
 
== Anime ==
* [[Desu Des Brigade|Professor Otaku]] seems to cause this a lot with his angry reviewer style, but the worst case was his [http://www.desudesbrigade.com/2011/09/anime-dissection-toradora/ review] of ''[[Toradora!]]''. He's also had heat for his opinion of Gurren Lagann being too stupid, although he's never officially reviewed it.
* Dogasu, who runs a site committed to changes made in ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'', has openly stated that he didn't like the dark tone Team Rocket took in Best Wishes. Supporters of the serious Team Rocket did not take this well, and flooded him with angry blog posts and emails in response.
** He also took heat for disliking the Don Battle/Club Battle arc; and by extension, disparaging Zorua got him in further trouble from numerous Zorua fans.
* [[The Nostalgia Critic]] parodied this tendency in his review of ''[[Ponyo]]'', enlisting an entire panel at an anime con, ''and [[Spike Spencer]]'' to do violence upon him in response to his daring to criticize even one iota of [[Hayao Miyazaki]]'s films.
 
 
== Comic Books ==
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** The [[Frank Miller]] fanboys got very angry over his review of ''[[The Dark Knight Strikes Again]]''. Linkara took major issue with this, especially one message that literally argued Miller did so much great stuff early on that his later work should get a free pass regardless of actual quality. Plus, he didn't exactly inspire a lot of hate for his mockery of Stan Lee's ''Nightcat''.
** He didn't even ''pan'' [[The Maxx]], merely admit that he had no idea what was going on (the story is a [[Mind Screw]], and he was reading a one-shot which explains nothing), and had no particular interest in finding out. Nonetheless, The Maxx is a [[Cult Classic]], so you can bet the fans took anything other than praise as an insult.
 
 
== Film ==
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** He's also getting a huge amount of hate for the ''[[Last Action Hero]]'' review. While it is a tiny bit justified because it is ''supposed'' to be a silly parody, one does get the feeling of once-calm fans turning into savage dogs because he didn't like what they liked. Some people were just baffled that he reviewed it as a straight action movie when it clearly isn't.
** It's anticipated in Doug's negative Bum Review of ''[[District 9]]'' which ends with a list of his gripes with the film and topped off with "Bring on the hate mail!"
** He often [[Lampshadeslampshade]]s this. When talking about not liking a particular work, a booing audience is heard in the background.
** He was also originally going to review ''[[Matilda (film)|Matilda]]'', but when he first announced it, his fanbase heavily criticized him, so he simply stopped it altogether.
** He did do another Roald Dahl movie, [[James and the Giant Peach]]. He was aware many of his fans liked it, and since he was trying (in character at least) to appease his fans after the poorly received [[Let's Play]] from the week before, he did the whole review in [[Happiness Is Mandatory]] fashion. Or ''tried'' to...
{{quote|'''James:''' [[That Cloud Looks Like...|And that cloud looks like a train!]]
'''Critic:''' And that cloud looks like [[Conspicuous CG|a crappy CGI effect]] *[[Dramatic Gun Cock]] from 6 directions around the critic* I mean... [[Blatant Lies|a good CGI effect]]. }}
** Even though the video was to get attention for a horrible censorship bill that could destroy his livelihood, people with rather [[Skewed Priorities]] are rather angry that he called ''[[Digimon]]'' a horrible show.
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** She got some hate for mentioning she hated [[The Little Mermaid]], as it was a film a about a dumb girl who "sold her soul for a vagina and a man she didn't know". Later on she parodied this by dedicating a video to her friends staging an "intervention" in which she explains her opinions in more depth, the others explain why it's a great film, and in the end she breaks and joins in the singing of "Part of Your World".
* Speaking of [[That Guy With The Glasses]], one of the site's contributors, Film Brain, arguably fell victim to this trope after taking down the [[Cult Classic]] ''[[Equilibrium]]'' in ''[[Bad Movie Beatdown]]'', to the point where the video had to be posted with a disclaimer that did absolutely nothing to soothe the savage "fans". He also made several comparisons to the film in later reviews too, which did not cool flames.
** Film Brain's extremely negative review of ''[[Inglourious Basterds]]'' seems to be causing another round of this, to the point where even [[The Spoony Experiment|The Spoony One]] [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20120624110705/http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/09/21/my-response-to-film-brains-review-of-inglourious-basterds/ had to chip in]. It did not help that he scored it lower than ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]: Revenge of the Fallen''
** Speaking of Spoony, he got so much heat from the ''[[Hudson Hawk]]'' fanbase when he announced his intent to review the movie that he cancelled the review, letting Film Brain do it instead. That's right. A semi-obscure early-90s Bruce Willis movie has a more terrifying fanbase than ''[[Final Fantasy]]''.
** By season 2 it seems Film Brain has come to expect this response for movies with high IMDB ratings, as his review of ''[[Seven Pounds]]'' began with a disclaimer to the effect of "This will be controversial, so please keep your comments constructive". [[Subverted Trope|The review went over quite well.]]
** His crossover review with [[Jesu OtakuJesuOtaku]] for [[Sucker Punch]] also got hit by this. The comments by many (though not all) of the movie's fans are divided between "You just don't get it" and "Just turn your brain off and enjoy it".
** Inverted by his review of ''[[Tooth Fairy]]''. He stated that he doesn't normally do kid's films and expected people to tear into him for criticizing it. Instead, people applauded him for ripping the film apart; praising the review.
* ''[[Mystery Science Theater 3000]]'' took serious flack from other science fiction fans when [[The Movie]] riffed on sci-fi classic ''[[This Island Earth]]''.
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*** Leonard was a good sport about it though and showed up next season to help Pearl inflict [[Gorgo]] on Mike and the Bots.
* Inverted with ''Entertainment Weekly'' magazine critic Owen Gleiberman, who faced much criticism for being the sole critic on [[Rotten Tomatoes]] to give ''[[Seltzer and Friedberg|Epic Movie]]'' a positive review—which would probably be a case of He ''Didn't'' Pan It, Now He Sucks.
** In an odd subversion, Owen's review of [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ratatouille/comments.php?reviewid=1640717 Owen's review] of ''[[Ratatouille]]]'' counts. Although Owen gave the 96% scoring movie a modest rating (a "B"), he was mainly insulted from his comment about how celebrity voice actors are superior to lesser known actors. This remark drew a TON''ton'' of heat, especially since ''Ratatouille'' was released a year after Pixar's arguably weakest film, ''[[Cars]]'', a movie ''full'' of celebrity voice actors. Without that one misguided remark, Owen's review doesn't reflect as badly on the seasoned film critic. Somewhat [[Vindicated by History]] though, since Owen gave Pixar's ''[[WALL-E]]'' and ''[[Toy Story (franchise)|Toy Story]] 3'' "A" scores, and since the Pixar fanbase doesn't defend the film as heavily years later.
* Jenna Busch of Joblo.com came under fire after giving a 6/10 review for the ''[[Watchmen (film)|Watchmen]]'' movie. Some pointing out that, as a woman, of course she wouldn't connect to the movie the way that "normal" fans did.
* [[Roger Ebert]] has received some criticism for his questionably good reviews of movies others have perceived as bad -- ''[[Gigli]]'' being perhaps the best example—but the biggest source of criticism came from his review of ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]: Revenge of The Fallen'', where not only did he pronounce it as a bad film, but he suggested that those who thought it was a good one were not "sufficiently evolved" in their cinematic tastes. He also wrote THREE essays detailing how so. Naturally, this pissed people off far more than him considering it a bad film.
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** There was also his lukewarm review of [[How to Train Your Dragon (animation)|How to Train Your Dragon]], where the flames were further fanned by him disparging video games.
** He also gets flak from the animation community sometimes for holding some [[Animation Age Ghetto]] beliefs (of note, he thought [[Don Bluth]]'s 1980s films were too scary and depressing for children to handle). Though he has criticized the ghetto and defended animation as a medium on other occasions (see his quote on the [[Animation Age Ghetto]] page), he seems to go back and forth.
* Chuck Sonnenberg aka [[SF Debris]] posted a pretty critical review of ''[[Star Trek: The Motion Picture|Star Trek the Motion Picture]]'' on [[YouTube]], praising the film's technical aspects but heavily deriding the storyline as being slow and uninvolving. This quickly led to some rather angry posts from that certain section of ''[[Star Trek]]'' fandom that considers ''TMP'' to be a sacred masterpiece, who promptly started making accusations about the level of education that he had (or hadn't) received.
** He rebutted their claims at the end of his ''[[Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II the Wrath of Khan]]'' review, even to the point of preemptively defending his giving ''TWOK'' a 10/10 over the 4/10 he gave ''TMP''.
** The funny thing about all this is that he constantly reminds people that his reviews are very clearly his opinions (his regular ''[[Star Trek]]'' episode reviews even have "Opinionated" tacked on to them) and that it is very likely that they might not agree with him on many things. Some fans just can't stand a dissenting opinion it seems.
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** U.S. critic Kenneth Turan (''Los Angeles Times'') received similar hate mail when he panned the film and stood by that opinion even as the film became a massive hit, admitting in a subsequent piece that that its huge success worried him because of the possibility that it would discourage filmmakers/studios from focusing on the quality of stories/screenplays in favor of [[Spectacle]]. Finally, [[James Cameron]] himself chewed him out over it in print, saying that it wasn't his duty as a film critic to discuss a movie's flaws long after the audience had made up its collective mind about it.
* The team of critics over at [http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/ Ruthless Reviews] have a pretty big fan following based on the many bad or mediocre films they tear apart (and the precious few they adore), yet fan backlash due to their panning of one classic movie or another is guaranteed to occur on a weekly basis.
* While many people praise [[Red Letter MediaRedLetterMedia|Red Letter Media's]] reviews of the Star Wars prequels, many Prequel fans have responded negatively to them.
** One fan even wrote a [http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-fan-writes-108page-rebuttal-red-letter-medias-phantom-menace-review/ 108 page rebuttal] to his Phantom Menace review, claiming it to be a [[Documentary of Lies|review of lies]] and that Mike Stoklasa's arguments were weak.
 
== Live -Action TV ==
* [[Charlie Brooker]] often does this in reverse by professing fandom of shows his readers [[Snark Bait|tend to sneer at]] such as ''[[Friends]]'' and ''[[Little Britain]]''. More conventionally, there was probably some surprise when he panned ''[[Monkey Dust]]'' in his ''Screen Burn'' column.
* In ''[[iCarly]]'', this was the in-universe reaction to Freddie's criticism of the [[Fred]] videos.
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* [[SF Debris]] again. After giving the much-loved ''[[Star Trek: Voyager|Voyager]]'' episode "Body and Soul" a 6, he says he knows he's pissing off a lot of people right now, but with comedy episodes the one true criteria is if you find them funny, and he just doesn't, even with Jeri Ryan's great performance as the Doctor controlling Seven's body.
* [[The Daily Show|Jon Stewart]] has said in interviews that he's frequently had people come up to him and say that they loved his show until it made fun of a particular topic.
* Inevitably, many Australian media figures whose [[CowboyMedia BebopResearch at His ComputerFailure|actions]] have been criticised by ''[[Media Watch]]'' have expressed a deep hatred of the show, most prominently radio personality [[Snark Bait|Alan Jones]]. ''Media Watch'' themselves respond in a [[Deadpan Snarker|scathingly lighthearted manner]] about the complaints.
 
 
== Music ==
* This trope has created a dampening effect on any criticism of [[ABBA]], [[The Beatles]], [[Queen]], or anything from [[The Eighties]], even [[Eighties Hair]].
* Like other TGWTG personalities listed here, [[Todd in the Shadows]] has been on the receiving end of this. Most especially from [[Lady Gaga]] fans.
 
 
== Professional Wrestling ==
* [[YouTube]] user [http://www.youtube.com/user/WorstWrestlingThemes Worst Wrestling Themes] came under fire for posting Disturbed's version of Stone Cold Steve Austin's theme as part of his "Worst Wrestling Themes" series. This was not an April Fools joke like when he posted "Voices" (Randy Orton's theme) as part of the WWT series; he actually did not like this Austin theme. He [[Lampshade Hanging|predicted]] the inevitable reaction in the description by asking for people to let him know if they unsubscribed because of the video (currently two users have done so).
 
 
== Video Games ==
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{{quote|"Try to keep your accent, because the moment you replace 'bollocks' with 'crikey' you'll probably lose half your audience. Or will that be when you critically review ''[[Spore]]''?"}}
** In a curious inversion, quite a few fans [[Unpleasable Fanbase|react negatively whenever he actually praises a game]].
* IGN has been looked at this way by ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog|Sonic]]'' fans since the series suffered from hitting the [[Polygon Ceiling]], and the hate gets stronger every time a new Sonic game is released and IGN bashes it. Keep in mind though, they gave ''[[Sonic Unleashed]]'' for the 360 a lower score than the [[Obvious Beta|glitch-ridden mess]] that was ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 (video game)||Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' on the same system.
** [[Games Radar]] has also been viewed this way for their less-than-forthcoming outlook on the Sonic franchise, especially when one considers their hatred of Sonic to be a [[Running Gag]], along with their fanatical obsession with Okami and the [[Bionic Commando|"Wife Arm"]].
** There are also complaints that they didn't finish the final version of ''Sonic Unleashed'' before reviewing it. And it appears they didn't finish ''[[Sonic Storybook Series|Sonic and the Black Knight]]'' either.
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** He also got quite a bit of backlash for his ''[[Battletoads]]'' review, even though he stated multiple times throughout the review, and even in the trailer, that it's a good game, just not a good ''[[Unwinnable|two-player]]'' game.
** Just glaring at a ''[[Mischief Makers]]'' cartridge during an intro got him into hot water. He would later vow to never review that game.
** A day after his review on ''[[Metal Gear 1987(video game)|Metal Gear]]'' got released on [[YouTube]], the video was suddenly flagged for unknown reasons, probably because some ''[[Metal Gear]]'' fans were a bit angry with his criticism of the game.
* ''[[X-Play]]'' can now be added to the list, with their special presentation: "Your Childhood Sucked: ''[[Final Fantasy VII]]''." The sounds of long-time fans gnashing their teeth could be heard across the globe.
** That segment was really just the latest and (so far) most pithy in a long line of [[Take That]]s they've given to ''[[Final Fantasy]]'' and other JRPGs in general. They've never hidden their dislike.
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**** A few years back they answered an e-mail saying they purposely mock anime fans when they review the games because they love getting the hate mail. They also said they loved the Naruto games even though they weren't fans of the anime itself. Note that this was before Naruto was even in America.
** Adam Sessler did a whole segment dealing with negative reaction when ''X-Play'' reviewed ''[[Killzone]] 2'', with accusations that Microsoft paid him off in order to not upset the dominance the Halo franchise had and that he was being unfairly negative towards the game. And what was the score he gave to Killzone 2? ''A perfect 5/5!''. That isn't unpleaseable. That's a mega [[Critical Research Failure]].
*** Oh, it was worse than that. According to the comments he read in Sessler's Soapbox, the reason the [[PlayStationPlay Station 3]] fanboys were upset with his were because 1) he wasn't positive ''enough'' about the game, 2) he ''paused'' at a couple of moments in his review, implying sarcasm, and 3) his ''intonation'' wasn't correct. He eventually ended the review of the comments of his review by telling people, in no uncertain terms, to get off their high horses or otherwise shove their heads up their asses, and stop listening to his reviews if they disagree.
** The hosts have had to repeatedly point out that they review games, not the franchise they're based on. Despite this, there seems to be endless bile over any anime-based game they give a bad review to because fans take it as an attack on their favorite series and not the ([[The Problem with Licensed Games|probably cheap cash-in]]) game.
*** It's probably safe to say the show has never been serious about reviews. As it progressed, it became more about flame baiting fans, creating [[Dear Negative Readers]] to their responses, and "imitating cardboard cutouts of celebrities," as they put it. Plus, the reviews themselves generally have gotten scarcer. Oh, they generally gave fair scores in the end, but the real point seems to have always been the sideshow.
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** Spoony has now panned ''[[Ultima Underworld]] 2'', a game that is widely held to be one of the best ever.
** Not to mention the almighty hissy fit the Deadliest Warrior fanbase threw when he savagely panned the low budget tie-in game. The backlash resulted in several straight weeks of trolling on the Spoony Experiment forums and comments section from irate fans, prompting Spoony to do a follow-up video... which wasn't any kinder than the first one.
* In one Video Game Vault, [[Screw AttackScrewAttack]] [[Camp Gay|poked fun at]] the popular ''Asterix'' series. This didn't go over well with fans, who thought Stuttering Craig was ''panning'' the game (he wasn't).
* Game Informer gets a lot of this for its "annual" Sacred Cow Barbeque, explaining why popular games (even the ones they praised) suck. While it is done in a joking manner and meant to "knock some of gaming's most revered icons off their high and mighty pedestals," there are readers who cancel their subscriptions to the magazine.
* [[The Irate Gamer]] gets this a lot. Among these are his ''[[Aladdin (Disney film)|Aladdin]]'', ''[[Tekken]] 6'', ''[[Ghosts 'n Goblins|Ghosts N Goblins]]'', and ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]''.
* [[YouTube]] "Top Ten" writer Joshscorcher (a.k.a. "The Fiery Joker") has got this after saying that ''[[Okami]]'' sucks.
** Fellow [[YouTube]] "Top Ten" writer peanut3423 (a.k.a. "The Autarch of Flame") has gotten this after putting the ''[[Mega Man (video game)|Mega Man]]'' series in his "Top Five Games Everyone Likes That I Hate" list.
 
 
== Web Original ==
* Maddox, author of ''The Best Page in the Universe'', uses the term "ex-biggest fan" to refer to people who enjoyed his works until reading an article panning their personal fandom. His article mocking 9/11 conspiracy theorists was a good example.
* [[Retsupurae]] gets this a lot. Examples include [https://web.archive.org/web/20110120145820/http://www.viddler.com/explore/retsu/videos/85/ LuizPrower], UltraJMan, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te1FI4JX7Ww Protonjon], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FtaBfbFV4A Cloud8745], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRlbvTWp828&feature=related Oyster], and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSd-9ZVbZA4&feature=channel_page DeceasedCrab.]
*** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtmSY3u9CUM SirRonLionheart] too. Interestingly, though, Ron's subscriptions ''[[Colbert Bump|skyrocketed]]'' after this grilling.
*** [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayeMqizulX0 ElectricalBeast]. [[Electrical Beast|EB]] apparently quite enjoyed his Retsupurae videos.
** [[S So HPKCSSoHPKC]], where thousands of fans poured in and flamed Retsupurae for riffing him within two hours of the video being put up.
** Perhaps their biggest example is their riff on an LP of Bart's Nightmare... by [[The Nostalgia Critic]].
* People who critique on [[Deviant ART]] in anyway other than in a completely positive way are considered to be trolls that bash art.
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