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Usually this character's main concern is that [[The Protagonist]], either intentionally or not, may bring up a scenario that would spell doom for the world or, depending on the scale of the narrative, a single person. How they come to this conclusion varies. They may be misinformed as to the [[Wrongly Accused|nature of their enemy]]. They could also be completely correct in their assertions simply because the main character is a [[Villain Protagonist]]. In any of these events, the [[Hero Antagonist]] is able to keep their good [[Character Alignment|alignment]] while still being the narrative's opposition.
Usually this character's main concern is that [[The Protagonist]], either intentionally or not, may bring up a scenario that would spell doom for the world or, depending on the scale of the narrative, a single person. How they come to this conclusion varies. They may be misinformed as to the [[Wrongly Accused|nature of their enemy]]. They could also be completely correct in their assertions simply because the main character is a [[Villain Protagonist]]. In any of these events, the [[Hero Antagonist]] is able to keep their good [[Character Alignment|alignment]] while still being the narrative's opposition.


Can be related to [[Rousseau Was Right]] depending on the type of [[Hero Antagonist]] in question, and often overlaps with [[Villainous Valor]]. Sometimes related to [[My Country Right or Wrong]]. [[Inspector Javert]] is often a [[Sub Trope]], as is his mentally healthier cousin, [[Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist]]. Similar to yet at the same time the opposite of [[Anti Villain]]. May overlap with a [[Sliding Scale of Anti Villains|Type IV]] [[Anti Villain]]. If the protagonist is a [[Well Intentioned Extremist]], his antagonist will often be a [[Knight in Sour Armor]]. Settings with [[White and Gray Morality]] or [[Good Versus Good]] will favor these.
Can be related to [[Rousseau Was Right]] depending on the type of [[Hero Antagonist]] in question, and often overlaps with [[Villainous Valor]]. Sometimes related to [[My Country Right or Wrong]]. [[Inspector Javert]] is often a [[Sub Trope]], as is his mentally healthier cousin, [[Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist]]. Similar to yet at the same time the opposite of [[Anti-Villain]]. May overlap with a [[Sliding Scale of Anti-Villains|Type IV]] [[Anti-Villain]]. If the protagonist is a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]], his antagonist will often be a [[Knight in Sour Armor]]. Settings with [[White and Gray Morality]] or [[Good Versus Good]] will favor these.


Compare the [[Knight Templar]], whose devotion to 'good' ideals has become unreasoning fanaticism. Often (though not always, depending on how [[Morality Tropes|the morality is played]] in the work) will oppose his/her inverse, the [[Villain Protagonist]] and is the opposite of the [[Hero Protagonist]]. Contrast [[Designated Hero]], for when he's really ''not'' a nice guy.
Compare the [[Knight Templar]], whose devotion to 'good' ideals has become unreasoning fanaticism. Often (though not always, depending on how [[Morality Tropes|the morality is played]] in the work) will oppose his/her inverse, the [[Villain Protagonist]] and is the opposite of the [[Hero Protagonist]]. Contrast [[Designated Hero]], for when he's really ''not'' a nice guy.
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== Anime and Manga ==
== Anime and Manga ==
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** Soichiro {{spoiler|until towards the end}}, and he is described by the author as the only one-hundred-percent good character. However neither of them are Light's direct antagonist as such, while L {{spoiler|and Near}} are.
** Soichiro {{spoiler|until towards the end}}, and he is described by the author as the only one-hundred-percent good character. However neither of them are Light's direct antagonist as such, while L {{spoiler|and Near}} are.
* Officer Kirihara of ''[[Darker Than Black]]''. She is good and hunting the protagonist for crimes he actually committed {{spoiler|but also [[Unwitting Pawn|being misled]] by her [[Conspiracy Redemption|evil superiors]]}}
* Officer Kirihara of ''[[Darker Than Black]]''. She is good and hunting the protagonist for crimes he actually committed {{spoiler|but also [[Unwitting Pawn|being misled]] by her [[Conspiracy Redemption|evil superiors]]}}
* ''[[Afro Samurai (Anime)|Afro Samurai]]'': Due to Afro's [[Anti Hero]] bordering [[Villain Protagonist]] status, and Shichigoro in ''Resurrection'' fit here.
* ''[[Afro Samurai (Anime)|Afro Samurai]]'': Due to Afro's [[Anti-Hero]] bordering [[Villain Protagonist]] status, and Shichigoro in ''Resurrection'' fit here.
* [[Colonel Badass|Col. Sergei Smirnov]], a.k.a. the "Wild Bear of Russia", is, far and away, the most sympathetic out of all of Celestial Being's antagonists in the first season of ''[[Gundam 00]]''. A [[Reasonable Authority Figure]] who believes in upholding the law, flawed as it may be, against an organization of terrorists (albeit, [[Well Intentioned Extremist|well intentioned ones]]), and helped give the first season its [[Grey and Gray Morality]].
* [[Colonel Badass|Col. Sergei Smirnov]], a.k.a. the "Wild Bear of Russia", is, far and away, the most sympathetic out of all of Celestial Being's antagonists in the first season of ''[[Gundam 00]]''. A [[Reasonable Authority Figure]] who believes in upholding the law, flawed as it may be, against an organization of terrorists (albeit, [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|well intentioned ones]]), and helped give the first season its [[Grey and Gray Morality]].
* ''[[One Piece]]'':
* ''[[One Piece]]'':
** A few of the Marine Officers the main characters have to face are genuinely good guys who actually want to protect that public and don't view [[Moral Event Horizon|civilians]] and their own soldiers as being [[We Have Reserves|completely expendable]]. Notable examples are Smoker, Tashigi, T-Bone, Coby, Garp, and Aokiji.
** A few of the Marine Officers the main characters have to face are genuinely good guys who actually want to protect that public and don't view [[Moral Event Horizon|civilians]] and their own soldiers as being [[We Have Reserves|completely expendable]]. Notable examples are Smoker, Tashigi, T-Bone, Coby, Garp, and Aokiji.
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* Inspector Runge from ''[[Monster (Anime)|Monster]]'' starts out as one, though he turns to more of a standard villain for a while as his search more Tenma becomes more of a personal obsession than anything to do with justice, causing him to ignore the increasing evidence that Johan does exist. However, he eventually comes to his senses and becomes a hero again.
* Inspector Runge from ''[[Monster (Anime)|Monster]]'' starts out as one, though he turns to more of a standard villain for a while as his search more Tenma becomes more of a personal obsession than anything to do with justice, causing him to ignore the increasing evidence that Johan does exist. However, he eventually comes to his senses and becomes a hero again.
** Also Eva Heinemann, whose [[Rich Bitch]] front and vengeful personality, as well as her contention that "not everyone is equal," belies her desire for a more fulfilling life. When given a choice between {{spoiler|helping Roberto end Tenma's life or helping Tenma escape and survive}}, she chooses the latter, and, later in the series, her character development allows her the opportunity to work beyond her grudge, do the right thing and become a better person.
** Also Eva Heinemann, whose [[Rich Bitch]] front and vengeful personality, as well as her contention that "not everyone is equal," belies her desire for a more fulfilling life. When given a choice between {{spoiler|helping Roberto end Tenma's life or helping Tenma escape and survive}}, she chooses the latter, and, later in the series, her character development allows her the opportunity to work beyond her grudge, do the right thing and become a better person.
* Zechs Merquise from ''[[Gundam Wing]]''; after achieving his initial goal of revenge for the destruction of his homeland and the murder of his parents, sets about trying to realize their goal of a peaceful world - the exact same goal his sister [[Rebellious Princess|Relena]], the show's female lead, is going for. The major difference is that Zechs is a [[Well Intentioned Extremist]] more than willing to hold the [[Villain Ball]] in order to scare the planet towards peace - and his personal pride keeps drawing him into battles with protagonist [[The Stoic|Heero]].
* Zechs Merquise from ''[[Gundam Wing]]''; after achieving his initial goal of revenge for the destruction of his homeland and the murder of his parents, sets about trying to realize their goal of a peaceful world - the exact same goal his sister [[Rebellious Princess|Relena]], the show's female lead, is going for. The major difference is that Zechs is a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist]] more than willing to hold the [[Villain Ball]] in order to scare the planet towards peace - and his personal pride keeps drawing him into battles with protagonist [[The Stoic|Heero]].
* ''[[Bleach]]'': The entire Seireitei {{spoiler|(sans Aizen and company)}} in the Soul Society arc, if you look at it from their point of view -- they're giving out lawful punishment to a criminal, and Ichigo and friends are the equivalent of an armed mob raiding the police station to break her out.
* ''[[Bleach]]'': The entire Seireitei {{spoiler|(sans Aizen and company)}} in the Soul Society arc, if you look at it from their point of view -- they're giving out lawful punishment to a criminal, and Ichigo and friends are the equivalent of an armed mob raiding the police station to break her out.
* The court in ''[[Seirei no Moribito]]''. They only want to destroy the water demon that will cause a drought in the land, and none of them are very happy about the fact that the host has to die to do it. It's not really their fault that they don't know the true nature of the possession. {{spoiler|They learn otherwise, which ends up aligning them with the heroes instead.}}
* The court in ''[[Seirei no Moribito]]''. They only want to destroy the water demon that will cause a drought in the land, and none of them are very happy about the fact that the host has to die to do it. It's not really their fault that they don't know the true nature of the possession. {{spoiler|They learn otherwise, which ends up aligning them with the heroes instead.}}
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* {{spoiler|Angel, a.k.a. Tachibana Kanade,}} in ''[[Angel Beats (Anime)|Angel Beats]]''.
* {{spoiler|Angel, a.k.a. Tachibana Kanade,}} in ''[[Angel Beats (Anime)|Angel Beats]]''.
* ''[[Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne]]'' has Miyako, her best friend and pursuer, and {{spoiler|Chiaki/Sinbad, who tries to stop her from helping the Devil because he is working for God all along}}.
* ''[[Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne]]'' has Miyako, her best friend and pursuer, and {{spoiler|Chiaki/Sinbad, who tries to stop her from helping the Devil because he is working for God all along}}.
* In the first arc after the [[Time Skip]] in [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Anime)|Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]], {{spoiler|Rossiu ends up sentencing Simon to death and abandoning a large proportion of the Earth's population to probable death}} in order to protect the peace and then the world. [[Arson Murder and Jaywalking|They also become kind of a prick]]. Though torn by guilt, no one condemns them, except the less rational [[Idiot Hero|good guys]] and many fans - though in the latter case it's mostly due to the character's becoming kind of a prick.
* In the first arc after the [[Time Skip]] in [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Anime)|Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]], {{spoiler|Rossiu ends up sentencing Simon to death and abandoning a large proportion of the Earth's population to probable death}} in order to protect the peace and then the world. [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|They also become kind of a prick]]. Though torn by guilt, no one condemns them, except the less rational [[Idiot Hero|good guys]] and many fans - though in the latter case it's mostly due to the character's becoming kind of a prick.
* By the end of ''[[Shakugan no Shana]]'', {{spoiler|Yuji Sakai with Snake of the Festival are this trope. They get to save the world and make the Flame Haze the bad guys without them knowing it.}}
* By the end of ''[[Shakugan no Shana]]'', {{spoiler|Yuji Sakai with Snake of the Festival are this trope. They get to save the world and make the Flame Haze the bad guys without them knowing it.}}


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== Comic Books ==
== Comic Books ==
* Finch from ''[[V for Vendetta]]'' in the sense of [[My Country Right or Wrong]].
* Finch from ''[[V for Vendetta]]'' in the sense of [[My Country Right or Wrong]].
* Argent the Wolf of ''[[Grendel]]'', who's opposed to the [[Villain Protagonist]] Grendel (particularly Hunter Rose, but later on Christine Spar) as an [[Anti Hero]] Werewolf who is compelled to take down what the series equates to the Devil.
* Argent the Wolf of ''[[Grendel]]'', who's opposed to the [[Villain Protagonist]] Grendel (particularly Hunter Rose, but later on Christine Spar) as an [[Anti-Hero]] Werewolf who is compelled to take down what the series equates to the Devil.
* The U.S. military is usually portrayed this way in ''[[The Hulk]]'', as they usually genuinely believe that the Hulk is a dangerous monster that they need to stop. [[Stan Lee]] commented in an interview that portraying them that way allowed him to get around the [[Comics Code]] insistence that authority figures always be portrayed positively. Lately this has changed, there has been a trend to portray General Ross, who usually commands the anti-Hulk military forces, as a [[General Ripper]].
* The U.S. military is usually portrayed this way in ''[[The Hulk]]'', as they usually genuinely believe that the Hulk is a dangerous monster that they need to stop. [[Stan Lee]] commented in an interview that portraying them that way allowed him to get around the [[Comics Code]] insistence that authority figures always be portrayed positively. Lately this has changed, there has been a trend to portray General Ross, who usually commands the anti-Hulk military forces, as a [[General Ripper]].
* ''[[Lex Luthor Man of Steel]]'' frames Superman as this for Lex Luthor. Played with, however, in that while it's Lex Luthor's [[Perspective Flip|moment in]] [[Villain Protagonist|the sun]] and Superman is correspondingly depicted in a cold, inhuman and alien fashion, it's still made abundantly clear that he's a better man than Lex Luthor will ever be.
* ''[[Lex Luthor Man of Steel]]'' frames Superman as this for Lex Luthor. Played with, however, in that while it's Lex Luthor's [[Perspective Flip|moment in]] [[Villain Protagonist|the sun]] and Superman is correspondingly depicted in a cold, inhuman and alien fashion, it's still made abundantly clear that he's a better man than Lex Luthor will ever be.
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* Eclipso is another DC [[Villain Protagonist]] whose nemesis was his own heroic [[Enemy Without]].
* Eclipso is another DC [[Villain Protagonist]] whose nemesis was his own heroic [[Enemy Without]].
* In [[Empowered (Comic Book)|Empowered]], most of Emp's jerkass teammates qualify, particularly Sister Spooky (although she becomes more sympathetic and less hostile towards Emp in the later volumes).
* In [[Empowered (Comic Book)|Empowered]], most of Emp's jerkass teammates qualify, particularly Sister Spooky (although she becomes more sympathetic and less hostile towards Emp in the later volumes).
* An early installment of [[Tintin]] has Nestor the butler as this. He's working for someone he doesn't know is evil, and for much of the plot he actively sabotages Tintin and the Captain.
* An early installment of [[Tintin (Comic Book)]] has Nestor the butler as this. He's working for someone he doesn't know is evil, and for much of the plot he actively sabotages Tintin and the Captain.




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* Strafe in [[Fan Fic/Fantendo Playing War|Fan Fic]] and [[Fan Fic/Fantendo Forgotten Legends|Fan Fic]] is basically the definition of this. He essentially kills his way through the entire 41 chapters, though it is necessary.
* Strafe in [[Fan Fic/Fantendo Playing War|Fan Fic]] and [[Fan Fic/Fantendo Forgotten Legends|Fan Fic]] is basically the definition of this. He essentially kills his way through the entire 41 chapters, though it is necessary.
* [[Harry Potter|Dumbledore]] in ''[[My Immortal]]'', who saves the protagonists from Voldemort on numerous occasions and is still hated by them--making him sort of a [[Designated Antagonist]] as well.
* [[Harry Potter|Dumbledore]] in ''[[My Immortal]]'', who saves the protagonists from Voldemort on numerous occasions and is still hated by them--making him sort of a [[Designated Antagonist]] as well.
* Averted with [[Kids Next Door|Numbuh 86]] in Captainwii's Operation: REBEL, where she hunts down 3 fugitives to give them [[Laser Guided Amnesia]], while she is working with the KND, a typically good organization, the fugitives are trying to escape her, being convinced that as long as they don't [[Heel Face Turn|turn evil and betray the KND]], that they should have right to keep their KND memories. Also this trope can be considered averted considering that Numbuh 86 [[Good Is Not Nice|isn't exactly a nice person]]
* Averted with [[Kids Next Door|Numbuh 86]] in Captainwii's Operation: REBEL, where she hunts down 3 fugitives to give them [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]], while she is working with the KND, a typically good organization, the fugitives are trying to escape her, being convinced that as long as they don't [[Heel Face Turn|turn evil and betray the KND]], that they should have right to keep their KND memories. Also this trope can be considered averted considering that Numbuh 86 [[Good Is Not Nice|isn't exactly a nice person]]
** Though the Decommissioning Squad as a whole could count as an averted take on this trope as well, if the reader believes that the KET (Kids Eternally There), a group of anti-decommissioning rebels, [[Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters|are right to protect and preserve the undecommissioned]]
** Though the Decommissioning Squad as a whole could count as an averted take on this trope as well, if the reader believes that the KET (Kids Eternally There), a group of anti-decommissioning rebels, [[Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters|are right to protect and preserve the undecommissioned]]
* Edfred of [[Naruto Veangance Revelaitons (Fanfic)|Naruto Veangance Revelaitons]], whose only crimes are not liking Ronan and being gay. {{spoiler|In Benji's ending, he frees the entire Naruto cast from Ronan's genjutsu, enabling them to kill Ronan}}.
* Edfred of [[Naruto Veangance Revelaitons (Fanfic)|Naruto Veangance Revelaitons]], whose only crimes are not liking Ronan and being gay. {{spoiler|In Benji's ending, he frees the entire Naruto cast from Ronan's genjutsu, enabling them to kill Ronan}}.
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* The human cops from ''[[The Matrix (Film)|The Matrix]]'', as far as they know.
* The human cops from ''[[The Matrix (Film)|The Matrix]]'', as far as they know.
* The (genuinely good) cops in ''[[The Player]]''.
* The (genuinely good) cops in ''[[The Player]]''.
* The Medjai function this way, at least at first, in ''[[The Mummy 1999 (Film)|The Mummy 1999]]''. While they attack the protagonists, it's only to stop them from [[Nice Job Breaking It Hero|awakening Imhotep]].
* The Medjai function this way, at least at first, in ''[[The Mummy 1999 (Film)|The Mummy 1999]]''. While they attack the protagonists, it's only to stop them from [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|awakening Imhotep]].
* Ditto for Kazim in ''[[Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade (Film)|Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade]]''. He doesn't know Indy's intentions and just wants to protect the grail from falling into the wrong hands, and when the misunderstanding is cleared up, he helps out.
* Ditto for Kazim in ''[[Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade (Film)|Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade]]''. He doesn't know Indy's intentions and just wants to protect the grail from falling into the wrong hands, and when the misunderstanding is cleared up, he helps out.
* Tobias Ragg from ''[[Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (Film)|Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street]]''. He distrusted Sweeney Todd {{spoiler|and killed him at the end of the movie}}. Unfortunately, he [[Failed a Spot Check]] and trusted [[The Dragon|Mrs. Lovett]] completely.
* Tobias Ragg from ''[[Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (Film)|Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street]]''. He distrusted Sweeney Todd {{spoiler|and killed him at the end of the movie}}. Unfortunately, he [[Failed a Spot Check]] and trusted [[The Dragon|Mrs. Lovett]] completely.
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* In ''[[Deus Ex (Video Game)|Deus Ex]]'', after {{spoiler|1=you defect from UNATCO, any cop or U.S. or UNATCO soldier }} that truly believes he is fighting for the greater good and is not flat out sadistic or {{spoiler|part of the conspiracy,}} fit this trope.
* In ''[[Deus Ex (Video Game)|Deus Ex]]'', after {{spoiler|1=you defect from UNATCO, any cop or U.S. or UNATCO soldier }} that truly believes he is fighting for the greater good and is not flat out sadistic or {{spoiler|part of the conspiracy,}} fit this trope.
* Ash Crimson from ''[[The King of Fighters (Video Game)|The King of Fighters]]'' series. His actions make him a villain, but in the end, it's for the sake of stopping an even greater evil, who happens to be the final boss of ''KOF XIII''.
* Ash Crimson from ''[[The King of Fighters (Video Game)|The King of Fighters]]'' series. His actions make him a villain, but in the end, it's for the sake of stopping an even greater evil, who happens to be the final boss of ''KOF XIII''.
** This is actually an inversion. From the start, the POV of the "Tales of Ash" saga makes Ash ''appear'' like a [[Villain Protagonist]], thus painting the former protagonists (Kyo, Iori, Chizuru, and even K') as this trope. But, as ''XIII'' attests to, Ash was [[Good All Along]]. A [[Guile Hero|Guile]] [[Anti Hero]] unmistakably, but [[Well Intentioned Extremist|his actions were for a greater good]]. {{spoiler|And then he died in a [[Temporal Paradox]] [[Heroic Sacrifice]] that ''[[Ret Gone|erased him from history]]''. [[Wham Episode|Didn't see that one coming, huh?]]}}
** This is actually an inversion. From the start, the POV of the "Tales of Ash" saga makes Ash ''appear'' like a [[Villain Protagonist]], thus painting the former protagonists (Kyo, Iori, Chizuru, and even K') as this trope. But, as ''XIII'' attests to, Ash was [[Good All Along]]. A [[Guile Hero|Guile]] [[Anti-Hero]] unmistakably, but [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|his actions were for a greater good]]. {{spoiler|And then he died in a [[Temporal Paradox]] [[Heroic Sacrifice]] that ''[[Ret Gone|erased him from history]]''. [[Wham Episode|Didn't see that one coming, huh?]]}}
* Hakumen from ''[[Blaz Blue]]'', one of the Six Legendary Heroes who saved the world from the attack of The Black beast. He wants to prevent a rebirth of The Black Beast by killing Ragna. He is not open to [[Take a Third Option|alternative solutions]].
* Hakumen from ''[[Blaz Blue]]'', one of the Six Legendary Heroes who saved the world from the attack of The Black beast. He wants to prevent a rebirth of The Black Beast by killing Ragna. He is not open to [[Take a Third Option|alternative solutions]].
** {{spoiler|In the end of the sequel, the mantle of [[Hero Antagonist]] goes to [[Chinese Girl|Litchi Faye-Ling]]. She's still the same kind-hearted woman, but opposes Ragna because Ragna's opposition (NOL) took captive of her love interest, and a [[Complete Monster]] [[Troll]] convinced her thoroughly that they have a mean to restore said interest. To top it all off, she's dying because she was exposed to the same thing he was (dying is a better case, the worst case is, she turns into the same monster that her love interest becomes and consumes everything in her path, including the innocents she grew to love), and anyone who could help her refuses to. She's reluctant to fight for that evil organization, but she really didn't have a better option.}}
** {{spoiler|In the end of the sequel, the mantle of [[Hero Antagonist]] goes to [[Chinese Girl|Litchi Faye-Ling]]. She's still the same kind-hearted woman, but opposes Ragna because Ragna's opposition (NOL) took captive of her love interest, and a [[Complete Monster]] [[Troll]] convinced her thoroughly that they have a mean to restore said interest. To top it all off, she's dying because she was exposed to the same thing he was (dying is a better case, the worst case is, she turns into the same monster that her love interest becomes and consumes everything in her path, including the innocents she grew to love), and anyone who could help her refuses to. She's reluctant to fight for that evil organization, but she really didn't have a better option.}}
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** GUN, especially the Commander, until after the events of ''[[Shadow the Hedgehog]]''.
** GUN, especially the Commander, until after the events of ''[[Shadow the Hedgehog]]''.
* In ''[[Golden Sun (Video Game)|Golden Sun]]'', Felix, though this is not revealed until ''[[Golden Sun (Video Game)|Golden Sun]]: The Lost Age'', where a [[Perspective Flip]] occurs and Felix becomes the protagonist and Isaac becomes the Hero Antagonist.
* In ''[[Golden Sun (Video Game)|Golden Sun]]'', Felix, though this is not revealed until ''[[Golden Sun (Video Game)|Golden Sun]]: The Lost Age'', where a [[Perspective Flip]] occurs and Felix becomes the protagonist and Isaac becomes the Hero Antagonist.
* {{spoiler|Yuan}} from ''[[Tales of Symphonia (Video Game)|Tales of Symphonia]]'', an [[Anti Hero]] example.
* {{spoiler|Yuan}} from ''[[Tales of Symphonia (Video Game)|Tales of Symphonia]]'', an [[Anti-Hero]] example.
* Velvet from ''[[Odin Sphere]]'', against both Ragnival and Ringford. Given Gwendolyn and Mercedes are guilty of most of the incidents of [[Nice Job Breaking It Hero]] in the story (Velvet causes very little herself), she's rather justified.
* Velvet from ''[[Odin Sphere]]'', against both Ragnival and Ringford. Given Gwendolyn and Mercedes are guilty of most of the incidents of [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]] in the story (Velvet causes very little herself), she's rather justified.
* Gordon Freeman and Cpl Adrian Shepherd are the protagonists of different ''[[Half Life]]'' games, working to opposing ends. Shep wants to catch Freeman, for starters, and Freeman has nuked a number of soldiers.
* Gordon Freeman and Cpl Adrian Shepherd are the protagonists of different ''[[Half Life]]'' games, working to opposing ends. Shep wants to catch Freeman, for starters, and Freeman has nuked a number of soldiers.
* White Knight Leo from ''[[Lunar 2 Eternal Blue Complete|Lunar 2]]''.
* White Knight Leo from ''[[Lunar 2 Eternal Blue Complete|Lunar 2]]''.
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** Played straight in the original ''[[Disgaea]]'', as the [[Recurring Boss]] is a [[Stealth Mentor]] to the [[Villain Protagonist]], and the final battle is essentially the [[Big Good]] [[Guile Hero]] {{spoiler|performing a [[Secret Test of Character]]}} on said [[Villain Protagonist]]. The main antagonist (who, oddly enough, is the penultimate boss rather than the final boss) is [[Obviously Evil|definitely evil]], however.
** Played straight in the original ''[[Disgaea]]'', as the [[Recurring Boss]] is a [[Stealth Mentor]] to the [[Villain Protagonist]], and the final battle is essentially the [[Big Good]] [[Guile Hero]] {{spoiler|performing a [[Secret Test of Character]]}} on said [[Villain Protagonist]]. The main antagonist (who, oddly enough, is the penultimate boss rather than the final boss) is [[Obviously Evil|definitely evil]], however.
* In one Rikti War Zone/Vanguard arc of ''[[City of Heroes]]'', rival organization Longbow becomes full-on Hero Antagonists. Not to mention sister game ''[[City of Villains]]'', where Longbow is just one such group.
* In one Rikti War Zone/Vanguard arc of ''[[City of Heroes]]'', rival organization Longbow becomes full-on Hero Antagonists. Not to mention sister game ''[[City of Villains]]'', where Longbow is just one such group.
* The Queen Fay and the Elves of the Everlight Sanctuary in ''[[Overlord]] II'', even though the Elves are, for the most part, whiny hippies concerned mostly with protecting [[What Measure Is a Non Cute|cute and furry creatures.]] Eventually, {{spoiler|while sacrificing her energy to help the Overlord defeat [[The Empire]], she is corrupted by his magic and becomes a [[Fallen Hero]] who decides that [[Evil Feels Good]].}}
* The Queen Fay and the Elves of the Everlight Sanctuary in ''[[Overlord]] II'', even though the Elves are, for the most part, whiny hippies concerned mostly with protecting [[What Measure Is a Non-Cute?|cute and furry creatures.]] Eventually, {{spoiler|while sacrificing her energy to help the Overlord defeat [[The Empire]], she is corrupted by his magic and becomes a [[Fallen Hero]] who decides that [[Evil Feels Good]].}}
* Ky Kiske from ''[[Guilty Gear]]'' (not so much in ''[[Guilty Gear]] 2: Overture'').
* Ky Kiske from ''[[Guilty Gear]]'' (not so much in ''[[Guilty Gear]] 2: Overture'').
* With the exception of [[Ax Crazy|Leon]], the Imperial Army of ''[[Yggdra Union]]'' are actually honest and sometimes ''heroic'' characters who are simply fighting for their own beliefs.
* With the exception of [[Ax Crazy|Leon]], the Imperial Army of ''[[Yggdra Union]]'' are actually honest and sometimes ''heroic'' characters who are simply fighting for their own beliefs.
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* In ''[[Sin and Punishment 2]]: The Star Successor'', The Nebulox are fighting against Isa and Kachi to help the humans of Earth-5. Also, from their perspective, Kachi is a major danger to their entire civilization - she was originally sent to Inner Space to recon Earth-4 for attack, but lost her memory.
* In ''[[Sin and Punishment 2]]: The Star Successor'', The Nebulox are fighting against Isa and Kachi to help the humans of Earth-5. Also, from their perspective, Kachi is a major danger to their entire civilization - she was originally sent to Inner Space to recon Earth-4 for attack, but lost her memory.
* Carmelita Fox of ''[[Sly Cooper]]''. This [[Ooh, Me Accent's Slipping|epileptic-accented]] cop can be a pain in the ass, but she still means well, and [[Enemy Mine|at times will even join up with the gang]] to face the various [[Big Bad|Big Bads]] of the series.
* Carmelita Fox of ''[[Sly Cooper]]''. This [[Ooh, Me Accent's Slipping|epileptic-accented]] cop can be a pain in the ass, but she still means well, and [[Enemy Mine|at times will even join up with the gang]] to face the various [[Big Bad|Big Bads]] of the series.
* [[Super Robot Wars Advance|Axel Almer]] in ''[[Super Robot Wars Original Generation]]'' gets shades of this in the enhanced remake, becoming a [[Noble Demon]] whose greatest concern is to defeat a psychopathic monstrous man (Beowulf) responsible for numerous atrocities in his (Axel's) home world. This is even moreso in [[The Anime of the Game]], where said psychopathic monstrous man's first scene involve crossing the [[Moral Event Horizon]]. Then, in the opening credits, Axel fights off the main character (Kyosuke), under justification that he won't let another Beowulf be created from Kyosuke. By the time of the [[Gaiden Game]], he drops the 'Antagonist' part while keeping the same goal (growing an [[Anti Hero|'Anti']] in the front instead due to not being officially in the protagonist team).
* [[Super Robot Wars Advance|Axel Almer]] in ''[[Super Robot Wars Original Generation]]'' gets shades of this in the enhanced remake, becoming a [[Noble Demon]] whose greatest concern is to defeat a psychopathic monstrous man (Beowulf) responsible for numerous atrocities in his (Axel's) home world. This is even moreso in [[The Anime of the Game]], where said psychopathic monstrous man's first scene involve crossing the [[Moral Event Horizon]]. Then, in the opening credits, Axel fights off the main character (Kyosuke), under justification that he won't let another Beowulf be created from Kyosuke. By the time of the [[Gaiden Game]], he drops the 'Antagonist' part while keeping the same goal (growing an [[Anti-Hero|'Anti']] in the front instead due to not being officially in the protagonist team).
** A little clarification: Beowulf is Kyosuke's [[Alternate Universe]] [[Evil Twin]].
** A little clarification: Beowulf is Kyosuke's [[Alternate Universe]] [[Evil Twin]].
* Ash from ''[[Atelier Iris 3]]'' simply wants to use the Escalario to stop Uroborus from awakening. To do this, he tries to kill Edge and Nell, and kidnap Iris, the only person able to use the Escalario.
* Ash from ''[[Atelier Iris 3]]'' simply wants to use the Escalario to stop Uroborus from awakening. To do this, he tries to kill Edge and Nell, and kidnap Iris, the only person able to use the Escalario.
* Saladin, the captain of the guard at the Castle of the Crown in ''[[King's Quest VI]]'', is perhaps the noblest of all the characters in the game. He has an antagonistic role only because he has been deceived by Alhazred and has a strong sense of duty regarding his job, and he does eventually wise up.
* Saladin, the captain of the guard at the Castle of the Crown in ''[[King's Quest VI]]'', is perhaps the noblest of all the characters in the game. He has an antagonistic role only because he has been deceived by Alhazred and has a strong sense of duty regarding his job, and he does eventually wise up.
* N in ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'' considers himself to be a hero, and is the most sympathetic of the five evil team leaders met so far, but is still portrayed as the bad guy...{{spoiler|until after your final battle against him, when it's revealed that his father Ghetsis was behind it all and N was simply a [[Well Intentioned Extremist|well-intentioned]] [[Tyke Bomb]].}}
* N in ''[[Pokémon Black and White]]'' considers himself to be a hero, and is the most sympathetic of the five evil team leaders met so far, but is still portrayed as the bad guy...{{spoiler|until after your final battle against him, when it's revealed that his father Ghetsis was behind it all and N was simply a [[Well-Intentioned Extremist|well-intentioned]] [[Tyke Bomb]].}}
* Alakazam and his team in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Red/Blue Rescue Team.]] {{spoiler|When the protagonist and teamate end up being tossed into exile, Alakazam and his team are the leaders of the hunt for the protagonist's head.}}
* Alakazam and his team in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Red/Blue Rescue Team.]] {{spoiler|When the protagonist and teamate end up being tossed into exile, Alakazam and his team are the leaders of the hunt for the protagonist's head.}}
** And Palkia from the sequel, who thinks that the hero is threatening to destroy the universe. {{spoiler|However, it turns out that he was tricked: [[Vile Villain Saccharine Show|Darkrai]] was the one threatening to destroy everything, and he actually made it look like it was the hero's fault.}}
** And Palkia from the sequel, who thinks that the hero is threatening to destroy the universe. {{spoiler|However, it turns out that he was tricked: [[Vile Villain Saccharine Show|Darkrai]] was the one threatening to destroy everything, and he actually made it look like it was the hero's fault.}}
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** Note that Othar clearly could have killed DuMedd (himself a spark) had he wanted to, but never did anything (harmful) to him or even brought up his "kill-all-sparks" agenda upon learning he was not only a fan of Othar himself but also Agatha's cousin. His goals may not be so extreme as he claimed when he was in [[The Madness Place]].
** Note that Othar clearly could have killed DuMedd (himself a spark) had he wanted to, but never did anything (harmful) to him or even brought up his "kill-all-sparks" agenda upon learning he was not only a fan of Othar himself but also Agatha's cousin. His goals may not be so extreme as he claimed when he was in [[The Madness Place]].
*** On the other hand, his twitter has him killing a college student and her father (Because she was a spark and he said that the worst thing that could happen to a parent is their child to die before he did), derailing a train and becoming a [[Cop Killer]].
*** On the other hand, his twitter has him killing a college student and her father (Because she was a spark and he said that the worst thing that could happen to a parent is their child to die before he did), derailing a train and becoming a [[Cop Killer]].
** Klaus Wulfenbach is an even straighter example. He's almost the [[Only Sane Man]] in Europe, which means that he's got to play whack-a-mole with every crazed Spark or creation that gets loose. And given Agatha's [[Big Screwed Up Family|family history]], he's got every reason to want to keep her locked down until she can be proven safe. Of course, as Agatha is the protagonist, she isn't about to tamely sit down and let him hold her.
** Klaus Wulfenbach is an even straighter example. He's almost the [[Only Sane Man]] in Europe, which means that he's got to play whack-a-mole with every crazed Spark or creation that gets loose. And given Agatha's [[Big Screwed-Up Family|family history]], he's got every reason to want to keep her locked down until she can be proven safe. Of course, as Agatha is the protagonist, she isn't about to tamely sit down and let him hold her.
*** It's even worse in that he is {{spoiler|half-rightly}} convinced that Agatha could be the Biggest Bad of all time -- the spark that destroyed most of Europe while he was removed from the picture decades ago and who may have the secrets of time travel on top of a host of other horrifying technologies. If he's right, he ''has'' to destroy her to save the world. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the full picture, and the pieces he knows look ''really'' bad for Agatha.
*** It's even worse in that he is {{spoiler|half-rightly}} convinced that Agatha could be the Biggest Bad of all time -- the spark that destroyed most of Europe while he was removed from the picture decades ago and who may have the secrets of time travel on top of a host of other horrifying technologies. If he's right, he ''has'' to destroy her to save the world. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the full picture, and the pieces he knows look ''really'' bad for Agatha.
* The Robot Masters in the 6th Megaman storyline in ''[[Bob and George]]'' were [[Hero Antagonist|Hero Antagonists]] trying to stop a rampaging [[Brainwashed and Crazy]] [[Villain Protagonist]] Mega Man.
* The Robot Masters in the 6th Megaman storyline in ''[[Bob and George]]'' were [[Hero Antagonist|Hero Antagonists]] trying to stop a rampaging [[Brainwashed and Crazy]] [[Villain Protagonist]] Mega Man.
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== Web Original ==
== Web Original ==
* Captain Hammer, in ''[[Doctor Horribles Sing Along Blog (Web Video)|Doctor Horribles Sing Along Blog]]''.
* Captain Hammer, in ''[[Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog (Web Video)|Doctor Horribles Sing Along Blog]]''.
* In the [[Whateley Universe]], the Reverend Darren England, protector of the planet from demonic threats for decades. He's now willing to deal with The Syndicate if it means the death of [[Eldritch Abomination|The Kellith]], the descendant of [[Cosmic Horror|a Great Old One]], before The Kellith can destroy all life on earth. The only problem is that The Kellith is Carmilla, who is an [[Anti Hero]] protagonist and is trying to go straight.
* In the [[Whateley Universe]], the Reverend Darren England, protector of the planet from demonic threats for decades. He's now willing to deal with The Syndicate if it means the death of [[Eldritch Abomination|The Kellith]], the descendant of [[Cosmic Horror|a Great Old One]], before The Kellith can destroy all life on earth. The only problem is that The Kellith is Carmilla, who is an [[Anti-Hero]] protagonist and is trying to go straight.
* Farseer in [[Land Games]].
* Farseer in [[Land Games]].
* Though they currently remain unseen, COMMANDO of [[Coyle Command]] cause many headaches for [[Villain Protagonist]] Coyle Commander.
* Though they currently remain unseen, COMMANDO of [[Coyle Command]] cause many headaches for [[Villain Protagonist]] Coyle Commander.
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* Batman in ''[[Batman the Brave And The Bold (Animation)|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' episode "[[Villain Protagonist|Joker]]: [[Villain Episode|The Vile and the Villainous!]]" Even sporting lines like “You’re a fool if you think you can stop my master plan!” Said plan? A device that tracks crimes as they happen summoning the police or himself to the scene.
* Batman in ''[[Batman the Brave And The Bold (Animation)|Batman the Brave And The Bold]]'' episode "[[Villain Protagonist|Joker]]: [[Villain Episode|The Vile and the Villainous!]]" Even sporting lines like “You’re a fool if you think you can stop my master plan!” Said plan? A device that tracks crimes as they happen summoning the police or himself to the scene.
* Borderline case with ''[[The Dreamstone]]''. There isn't very much antagonistic about the Land Of Dreams, [[Sugar Bowl|at all]]. It is perhaps for that reason however, that the heroes are kept somewhat flat compared to the villains and tend to get the shorter straw in [[Sympathetic POV]] in most episodes. [[Depending On the Writer|The odd episode]] attempts to make them the more sympathable side however.
* Borderline case with ''[[The Dreamstone]]''. There isn't very much antagonistic about the Land Of Dreams, [[Sugar Bowl|at all]]. It is perhaps for that reason however, that the heroes are kept somewhat flat compared to the villains and tend to get the shorter straw in [[Sympathetic POV]] in most episodes. [[Depending On the Writer|The odd episode]] attempts to make them the more sympathable side however.
* Candace in ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'', although "[[Anti Hero]] Antagonist" might fit better.
* Candace in ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'', although "[[Anti-Hero]] Antagonist" might fit better.
* The Road Runner of ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' fame is one of the most iconic Hero Antagonist of Western Animation; the shorts granted little character to the bird outside his fast speed and his trademark "Beep Beep", and all sympathetic spotlight was deliberately kept on its predator, Wile E. Coyote.
* The Road Runner of ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' fame is one of the most iconic Hero Antagonist of Western Animation; the shorts granted little character to the bird outside his fast speed and his trademark "Beep Beep", and all sympathetic spotlight was deliberately kept on its predator, Wile E. Coyote.
** Other Looney Tunes protagonists such as Bugs and Speedy occasionally leaned into this trope as well, many of their respective shorts focusing more on the blundering of their foes.
** Other Looney Tunes protagonists such as Bugs and Speedy occasionally leaned into this trope as well, many of their respective shorts focusing more on the blundering of their foes.
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