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** Mostly because yaoi fan girls seem to like [[Ho Yay]] shipping more out of "cuteness" and fun rather than sexiness. The general appeal [[Les Yay]] usually has seems to be because, well, [[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot]].

*** ....dude, have you ever read a slashfic in your life? It's porn. Yes there's lots of fluff too, but the meat and the drive and the main point of the genre is porn. Fangirls write slash and see [[Ho Yay]] because '''Guy On Guy Is Really Really Really Fucking Hot'''. I should know, being a big slash fangirl and participant in slash communities myself. Allow me to give an example. If you're a male, think about just how much [[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot]]. Really. Sit back and let your mind linger on just how insanely hot the idea of two girls having sex is. Now imagine all that Girl On Girl hotness without any of the myriad social/societal pitfalls and contradictions and headaches and roadblocks that plague female sexuality. Now imagine having way, way more numerous and (on average) way more complex and cool/badass/likable characters to pair up. Now do you have an idea just how fucking ''hot'' Guy On Guy is for us girls?

*** I think a lot of guys, at least among nerd culture, ''do'' understand that girls find guy on guy hot. What's less understood is why girls have to put up with less backlash and eye-rolling about it than guys do. In general, even on this website, there's an automatic assumption that lesbians = shallow fanservice, yaoi guys = pure sparkling romance. Personally, I have no problem with either group, and I read and watch yuri mostly for the romantic fluff (not that I mind sex scenes at all -- physical affection comes from emotional affection, after all). If I had to hazard a guess as to why it's "safer" to be a girl who likes reading about guys than it is to be a guy reading about girls, I'd say it's something to do with society's predominant view that [[All Men Are Perverts]] and [[All Women Are Prudes]].

*** I actually disagree here. I have yet to see [[Yuri Fanboy|Yuri Fanboys]] being bashed, flamed or insulted for liking yuri, unless it's something like [[Furry Fandom]] or [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]], and even then, they don't get as much flack, at least not in their own circle. [[Yaoi Fangirl|Yaoi Fangirls]], however, get a lot of bashing and the [[Guy-On-Guy Is Hot]] trope seems to be kind of...how should I put this...dead, in western media. Heck, I've seen art accusing yaoi fangirls as "objectifying homosexuals", not even bringing up that ''some'' (I said "''some''" not "''all''") yuri fanboys ARE into yuri for the girl-on-girl action. I'm into both shonen-ai and shojo-ai myself and I don't see any problems with liking either. But I've noticed that some people seem to like attacking people who do; search up "yaoi fangirl stamp" on deviantart if you don't believe me. You'll see a ton of stamps saying either "I hate yaoi fangirls" or "Not all yaoi fangirls are stupid". There are absolutely ''zero'' stamps under "yuri fanboy stamp" that say "I hate yuri fanboys" or "Not all yuri fanboys are perverts". Just shows that yuri fanboys and [[Girl-On-Girl Is Hot]] are generally more accepted than yaoi fangirls and [[Guy-On-Guy Is Hot]].

** Yes, they're called "Tachi" and "Neko", respectively.

** Or Butch and [[Lipstick Lesbian|Chapstick]] in America.

*** That would be a [[Tomboy]].

 

** It ''can'' but it usually doesn't.

** Presumably there's a variant case of Rule 34 in the works here: given any two characters who have interacted for any length of time, ''someone'', ''somewhere'', is going to think they have chemistry.

** Really hard. One example could be Turk and JD from Scrubs who're usually viewed as friends despite being incredible close. That Turk maintains a great, believable and stable relationship with Carla is no doubt a factor as well as the fact that both are unashamed and frank about their connection.