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* [[Animal Motifs]]: Though nowhere near the extent of the trolls, the Kids are associated with some animals, coincidentally their pets. As John doesn't have a pet, he doesn't have a motif. Dave's association with crows is the most blatant, but Jade and Rose have Bec and Jaspers respectively. Dave and Jade take the motif to the literal extreme however, because their alternate selves (and Jade herself) literally become half-crow and half-dog. <!-- John doesn't have bunnies; compare sprites. -->

** [[Ascend to Aa Higher Plane of Existence]]: Before John's birthday they were all normal kids. John, Dave, and Rose are now extremely powerful [[Immortal]] demigods and Jade is pretty much a [[Physical God]].

* [[Color Coded for Your Convenience]]: [[Color -Coded Wizardry|Because of...]]

** [[Color -Coded Elements]]

* [[Creator in In-Joke]]: The kids and ''Homestuck'' in general are a partially recycled idea that Andrew had about magical kids, which he scrapped for being too similar to the ''[[Harry Potter]]'' series. The concept art for that series can be seen on Rose's wall.

* [[Five -Man Band|Four Kid Band]]

** The Lancer / [[The Smart Guy]] / [[Squishy Wizard]] -> [[Mission Control]]: Rose is both the most openly intellectual and feminine of the Kids, though she is also fraught with darker impulses, being [[The Unfettered]]. Within the context of combat, she initially was a ranged fighter using magic, but currently has transitioned to a largely non-combat support role.

* [[Death Is a Slap Onon The Wrist]]: At this point, each of the kids has died twice. Dave and Rose died the first time and were revived via their dreamselves which died and became God Tier. John's real body was killed and he ascended to his God Tier, and then he was killed again by Bec Noir but auto-revived shortly afterwards. Jade's dreamself died, was brought back as her Sprite, and then became her God Tier when her real body died on her quest bed.

* [[Fake Band]]: All of the kids can play musical instruments, and some of the songs they made prior to the start of the series are available for purchase. Dave and Jade are by far the most prolific of the four.

** [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104182609/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/prospit-derse Prospit & Derse], while non-canonical, is played by them as well, with accompaniment from Prospitians and Dersites.

* [[Half -Identical Twins]]: Extends to their personalities too. John and Jade are generally upbeat and positive, while Dave and Rose are more snarky and aloof.

** [[Foolish Sibling, Responsible Sibling]]: They tend to play this to each other as well. Jade and Rose [[Women Are Wiser|are the responsible ones]], although they too fall into melodrama or silliness sometimes.

* [[I Am Who?]]: Turns out not any regular schumck can play Sburb; only some people can, being predestined for it, and they're also destined to become demigods.

* [[Plot -Relevant Age -Up]]: From 13 to 16 as they travel to the Alpha Session; John and Jade due to spending three years traveling between windows in Hussie's study, and Dave and Rose (and the surviving Trolls) due to the Furthest Ring being non-linear.

* [[Stock Super Powers]]: Everyone who plays Sburb is destined to become a demigod, and in addition, the Kids have reached their God Tiers, which make their powers even stronger. Of them, Jade is by far [[Superpower Lottery|the strongest]].

** John is the Heir of Breath, and has strong [[Blow You Away|wind powers]], and some natural extensions of that, like [[Flight]]. As a result of his God Tiers, he also has [[Immortality]]. <!-- There is no indication John has super strength beyond swinging around his hammers; and he specifically mentions the Pogo Hammer is surprisingly light, and the rest of his hammers are either smaller or derivatives. Besides we know that technically, Dad isn't John's genetic father, and neither Nanna nor Grandpa have shown anything above average strength. -->

** Rose is the Seer of Light and her powers manifest as [[Omniscient Hero|pseudo-omniscience]] via seeing and understanding probabilities and likelihoods, in addition to various [[Eye Beams|vision powers]], like [[X -Ray Vision]]. However as the Seer class is a very passive one, her offensive capabilities seem fairly limited, especially upon her ascension to her God Tiers. [[Battle in Thethe Rain|She also has the ability to summon rain]], but so far it's shown little use. Jaspersprite has said that it ties into her [[Myth Arc]]. <!-- Rose summoned a rain cloud during her exploration of the castle and the fight shortly thereafter; there's no other way said storm could have occurred. -->

*** Rose also had command over [[Black Magic|dark magical]] [[Reality Warper|abilities]], although how much of it was her own natural ability and how much of it was [[Touched Byby Vorlons|granted by the Elder Gods]] is unclear. It remains to be seen how her God Tiers affected her abilities, as she has yet to demonstrate them since going God Tier.

** Dave is the Knight of Time and has [[Time Master|time manipulation]] powers. Part of his role in the session is to serve as the [[Save Scumming|reset button]] if anything goes wrong. He's also worked it into his fighting style, taking his [[Flash Step]] to outright [[Teleport Spam]], in addition to [[MesMe's a Crowd|several copies of him]] running around for most of Act 5.

*** Heroes of Time are closely tied in with Derse as well, and Dave was "half-awake" on Derse before being fully awoken by Rose <ref> In the branched timeline Davesprite is from, he managed to wake up as a result of John's death</ref>. Dave however is a bit of an exception to other Derse players (such as Aradia or Feferi) in that he outright ignores or rejects the Elder Gods.

** Jade is the Witch of Space, and as of [[Ascend to Aa Higher Plane of Existence|ascending to the God Tiers]] is pretty much a [[Physical God]], including [[Reality Warper|reality warping]] <ref> Includes a lot of things. She has strong [[Mind Over Matter|Telekinesis]], enough to make John's own Breath powers look like small potatoes. She shows no sign of fatigue while using it, and casually mentions that she can maintain a ship at near light speed for almost 3 years. She also has the ability to freely alter the size of objects on a planetary scale, although lands are [[Baby Planet|Baby Planets]]. Extrapolating from other sprites, she can also [[Beam Spam]] and [[The Medic|heal people]]. Plus all the other stuff that follows this point!</ref>, [[Omniscient Hero|mild omniscience]], [[Teleport Spam|functional]] [[My Significance Sense Is Tingling|omnipresence]], and [[Immortality]] <ref> Twice over; she's immortal as a God Tiered Hero of Space and as a First Guardian</ref>. Because of the unusual circumstances of her God Tier ascension, she has all the powers of a [[The Obi -Wan|sprite]], a [[Physical God|First Guardian]] <ref> Note; she has ''most'' of the powers of Doc Scratch, but because Bec was not omniscient, she doesn't seem to be either</ref>, and a God Tiered [[Reality Warper|Hero of Space]], making her almost literally a god. The only thing that is explicitly ''not'' within her abilities is [[Time Master|manipulating time]]. Jade lampshades it by not being entirely sure how many powers she has or what they originate from.

*** Heroes of Space are closely tied in with Prospit as well, and Jade has been awake on Prospit for most of her life. She also is connected with the First Guardian of Earth, Bec, who raised her. In addition, her [[Myth Arc]] is tied in with breeding frogs, as in the Homestuck-verse, Universes are literally god-like frogs, and it's the responsibility of a Hero of Space to breed a new one as part of the game. <!-- Jade's inventing tendencies are more from her father than anything else, as Kanaya does not display that. -->

* [[Theme Table]]: A colour, a classical element, a [[Weapon of Choice]], [[Four -Temperament Ensemble|a humour]], a musical instrument, a mythological title, a personal world in the Incipisphere, the remains of a deceased creature or family member, and a single guardian who seems to know something about the [[Ancient Conspiracy]]. Oh, and an African-American celebrity.

* [[Unwitting Pawn]]: Their plan to blow up the Green Sun was a trick of Doc Scratch's from the beginning; they end up ''creating'' the Green Sun. Dave and Rose's reaction is basically [[Oh Crap]] [[My God, What Have I Done?|What Have We Done?]]

** Everything the Kids have ever done or will do is set in stone. We have UU from the future claiming to know that the Kids (with their Alpha counterparts) succeed in the new session, while the Trolls knew from before they started that their session was doomed. Not to mention Sburb is literally the entire reason for their existence.

=== {{<span style="color|:#0715cd|;">John }}Egbert</span> ===

{{quote| ''"You have a passion for REALLY TERRIBLE MOVIES. You like to program computers but you are NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. You have a fondness for PARANORMAL LORE, and are an aspiring AMATEUR MAGICIAN. You also like to play GAMES sometimes.''"}}

A fairly average boy living in suburban Washington with his father, [[The HerosHero's Birthday|on whose birthday our story begins]].

He is the '''{{color|#0087eb|HHeir of Breath}}''' of his session, and the de facto leader. His Chumhandle is "{{color|#0715cd|eectoBiologist}}", formerly "{{color|#0715cd|gghostyTrickster}}".

He has filed a pair of [[Weapon of Choice|STRIFE SPECIBI]] in his STRIFE PORTFOLIO: [[Drop the Hammer|HAMMERKIND ABSTRATUS]] and [[Lethal Joke Item|BUNNYKIND ABSTRATUS]]. He is a clone of Nanna Egbert and Grandpa Harley's paradox ghost slime, and is Jade's biological brother.

<code>{{color|#0715cd|ttypes without capitalizing letters, but uses proper punctuation!}}</code>

<code>{{color|#0715cd|ssometimes uses emotes and emoticons but not frequently}}</code>

<code>{{color|#0715cd|after act 5, he's a bit more prone to swearing.}}</code>

* [[Action Survivor]]: Dave and Jade start out with weapons training, while Rose has plenty of raw [[Badass|badassitude]] to work with, but John starts out as your average 13-year-old kid. [[Took a Level Inin Badass|He learns pretty quick, though]].

{{quote| '''Andrew Hussie:''' John is adorable because he is honest and heroic and nerdy and a good friend.}}

* [[...And Show It to You]]: In a sense, Skaia does this to him after his God Tier ascension, showing him his dead self bleeding out on his Quest Bed.

* [[Attention Deficit Ooh Shiny]]: Has by far the worst attention span of any character in the series (save maybe [[Cloudcuckoolander|Clubs Deuce]]), and if left to his own devices, he tends to get sidetracked constantly.

* [[Badass Adorable]]: He has potent wind powers, [[Dual -Wielding|Dual Wields]] [[Drop the Hammer|two rather impressively sized hammers]], is probably the best at working the alchemy system, and is [[Adorkable]] to his very core.

* [[Badass in Aa Nice Suit]]: After he gets his cool suit, although he changes out of it after a while.

{{quote| That is IT.<br />

EVERYBODY OUT.<br />

* [[Blue Eyes]]: [http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1540483313 According to Andrew]{{Dead link}}, the kids' eyes match their text color.

* [[Buffy -Speak]]: John does this a lot. Lampshaded by Rose here:

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#0715cd|EEB: i'm going upstairs to the big platformy thing.}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#b536de|TTT: The alchemiter?}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#0715cd|EEB: ??}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#b536de|TTT: Try to learn the lingo.}}</code>''' }}

* [[Character Check]]: After the [[Time Skip]] in Act 6, John snaps back to his personality in Acts 1 and 2, being more openly joking and sweary, instead of simply being [[The Fool]] wandering around listening to people. He still is kind of course, it's just not his sole attribute any more.

* [[Costume Copycat]]: Unwittingly to Vriska, who makes him ditch his Junior Ectobiologist's Lab Suit for a copy of her outfit.

* [[Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass]]: He's prone to constantly goofing off and always has time to crack a joke. However, he has shown skill with the alchemiter, has the mangrit to dual-wield hammers, and was the strongest Kid for much of Act 5 after he reached his God Tiers.

* [[Did We Just Have Tea Withwith Cthulhu?]]: Doomed-timeline John and Typheus had a nice chat before the latter killed the former.

* [[Die or Fly]]: Staged by Vriska to trigger his [[Blow You Away|powers over wind.]] It was an enormous success.

{{quote| "DO THE WINDY THING DO THE WINDY THING DO THE WINDY THING"}}

* [[Does Not Like Spam]]: Any type of baked goods (cookies, birthday cake, etc) sends him into a [[Freak -Out]]. This is because of the truly ''ridiculous'' number of cakes his dad makes for him. He's been eating cake all day, so John's pretty much sick to ''death'' of baked goods at the moment. Finding out that Fruit Gushers are a Betty Crocker product was enough to almost make him [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002878 flip the fuck out].

* [[Dual -Wielding]]: Does it briefly himself at the end of Act 3 with his Pogo Hammer and Wrinklefucker, but also has the Remote Ghost Gauntlets which can let him ''Quadruple'' Wield if he had a 4th hammer.

** However by the time he alchemized a fourth hammer, [https://web.archive.org/web/20131103121132/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003639 Fear No Anvil], he's gone back to single wielding entirely. Later he receives a fifth hammer, [https://web.archive.org/web/20130921205349/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005579 The Warhammer of Zillyhoo], which is also wielded singly.

** {{color|#0715cd| EB: before i fell asleep, i was about to prototype something really ridiculous to make jack weaker. i am pretty sure that it would have made jack lose both eyes, both arms, and give him silly blue hair, and possibly also make him be a girl?}} Vriska doesn't let it happen but he tried.

* [[Horrible Judge of Character]]: [[Subverted Trope|Subverted twice]]. Intially it seems like trusting [[Vigilante Man|Terezi]], shortly after she had gotten him killed in a doomed timeline, is a bad idea and everyone readily pointed that out to him. As time went on and her character was explored more, it became apparent she wasn't evil at all. He also trusts [[Manipulative Bastard|Vriska]] who manipulates him into getting killed again, but does so in order to help him ascend to the God Tiers.

* [[How Do I Shot Web?]]: John has a lot of trouble at first figuring out how to work his [[Inventory Management Puzzle|Sylladex]] and play the Sburb beta. (Finally getting the hang of using the game mechanics makes him [[Took a Level Inin Badass|take a few levels in badass]] later on though.)

* [[Ignorance Is Bliss]]: Practically everyone seems to hide information from John at some point or another (for instance, Rose not telling him that the Tumor is a bomb and that she plans to send her dream self to blow up the Green Sun with it once he retrieves it for her, and Vriska not telling him that Bec Noir was going to kill him when he slept on the Quest Bed), with the objective of making sure he isn't nervous about what will happen. Ironic for someone whose medium entry task was to [[How Do You Like Them Apples?|bite an apple]].

* [[Infinity Plus One+1 Sword]]: The Warhammer Of Zillyhoo

* [[Interspecies Romance]]: He has some level of interest in Vriska; when Dave questions him about it though he admits he'd probably be an awkward d8. This also applies to Beta John, who also shows some interest in her despite not having ever even gotten to know her, beyond a long forgotten trolling.

* [[Leitmotif]]: [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922074957/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/showtime-piano-refrain-2 Showtime] (his original theme and Strife music) and [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922074122/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/doctor-2 Doctor] (his planet's theme).

* [[Mighty Glacier]]: Seems to be this kind of fighter in Sburb, as he takes a lot of hits but eventually has pretty good attacking power.

* [[Nice Guy]]: To [[The Messiah|messianic levels]]. So much so that even [[Big Bad|Doc Scratch]] doubts he'll die anything other than a martyr's death.

** According to [[Word of God]], this [https://web.archive.org/web/20130309193653/http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie448980558 retroactively became symbolic] of the how the trolls managed to give his universe cancer under Karkat's leadership.

* [[Plot Allergy]]: Averted; although John is deathly allergic to peanuts, it isn't brought up ever again shortly after it was introduced.

** Although it becomes a [[Brick Joke]] when [[Homestuck (Webcomic)/Alpha/Characters/Post Scratch Kids|Jake]]'s dreamself dies from being fed peanuts.

* [[The Pollyanna]]: Relentlessly optimistic. [[Hilarity Ensues]] whenever he runs up against [[Knight in Sour Armor|Karkat]]. Rose notes that this (and John's [[Arbitrary Skepticism]]) is a variety of [[Cursed Withwith Awesome]]:

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#0715cd|EEB: i am still skeptical about that, though.}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#b536de|TTT: That's why you're our leader, John.}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#0715cd|EEB: huh?}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#b536de|TTT: Optimism through stalwart skepticism is a defect not everyone is lucky enough to be cursed with.}}</code>''' }}

* [[Puberty Superpower]]: John was initially unable to lift a sledgehammer without assistance; [[Webcomic Time|after a few hours]], he's garnered enough [[Super Strength|MANGRIT]] to [[Dual -Wielding|dual wield]] them.

* [[Red Oni, Blue Oni|Red Oni]]: To Dave's Blue Oni.

* [[Replacement Love Interest]]: For Vriska, replacing Tavros. See [[Homestuck (Webcomic)/Characters/Trolls Three/Characters|her entry]] for more.

* [[Shout -Out]]: Besides things relevant to his interests, also refers to himself as the [[The Legend of Zelda: theThe Wind Waker (Video Game)|Wind Waker]] in a conversation with Vriska, prior to comparing his outfit Junior Ectobiologist Labcoat to "link if zelda was about an elf scientist".

* [[Took a Level Inin Badass]]: He takes quite a few, until in Act 5 he's the strongest Kid of all.

* [[Took a Level In Kindness]]: Not that he was ever a real jerk (although he has his moments), but his overall niceness is much more apparent in later acts. Snapped back later with him being a lot swearier in Act 6 and more teasing to Jade.

* [[Unwitting Pawn]]: Not only is he tricked into [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003595 giving Dave the codes for Rose's journals], but he also immediately trusts Terezi to lead him through the game faster, which leads to his death in an alternate future. May in turn make him a [[Spanner in Thethe Works]]: he may have got himself killed in that timeline, but he got a sweet jetpack and hammer out of it, not to mention saving Dave from the horrors of Calsprite. And giving Dave the codes for the journals may have screwed them over, but at the same time it was essential for getting Dave's spare beta copies to Jade so that they both have the means to enter the Medium.

** He was instructed by Rose to retrieve the Tumor from the heart of the Battlefield and bring it to her - so she could use it as a bomb in her [[Self -Sacrifice Scheme]] to take out the Green Sun and Bec Noir. John wasn't happy when he found out the specifics.

* [["Well Done, Son" Guy]]: Inverted. John's Dad seems to tell him how proud he is constantly to the extent that it's lost most of its meaning, leading to a lot of ennui and [[Wangst]] on John's part.

* [[What Happened to Thethe Mouse?]]: During his first alchemy binge, John creates [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002961 BARBER'S BEST FRIEND], using an umbrella and straight razor, and mentions that he has an UMBRELLAKIND strife specibus lying around. Neither the weapon or the strife specibus are ever mentioned again.

* [[When All You Have Is a Hammer]]: Both literally and with his wind powers. John's powers are relatively simple compared to his friends' but he uses them in creative ways, and the sheer level of power backing them as of ascending to the God Tiers certainly helps.

=== '''{{color|#b536de|RRose Lalonde}}''' ===

{{quote| "''You have a passion for RATHER OBSCURE LITERATURE. You enjoy creative writing and are SOMEWHAT SECRETIVE ABOUT IT. You have a fondness for the BESTIALLY STRANGE AND FICTITIOUS, and sometimes dabble in PSYCHOANALYSIS. You also like to KNIT, and your room is a BIT OF A MESS. And on occasion, if just the right one strikes your fancy, you like to play VIDEO GAMES with your friends.''"}}

A girl with a fondness for psychoanalysis, writing and wizards, who lives with her mother in an isolated mansion situated atop Rainbow Falls in New York.

In Sburb, she is the '''{{color|#ed7b00|SSeer of Light}}'''. Her Chumhandle is "{{color|#b536de|ttentacleTherapist}}".

<code>{{color|#b536de|TTypes with stringent punctuation and capitalization syntax, with a tendency toward excessive verbosity.}}</code>

<code>{{color|#b536de|AAfter Act 5, she's prone to adding in some silliness. ;)}}</code>

* [[Back Fromfrom the Dead]]: After being killed by Jack, she was revived by John as her Dream Self on Derse, which also had the benefit of knocking her out from her [[Grimdark]] state. Technically also happens when she ascends to the God Tiers.

** And then of course we have [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20130815115025/http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003716 this].

* [[Badass in Aa Nice Suit]]: She too, has alchemized herself [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003711 some elegant clothes] [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004584 over the course of their game].

* [[Berserk Button]]: She straight up [[Problem Sleuth|flips the fuck out]] when [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005596 Jack kills John a second time].

** [[Playing Withwith a Trope|Played with]] in the "Flighty Broads and their Snarky Horseshit" sequence before being completely [[Subverted Trope|subverted]] when Kanaya learns that Rose really ''did'' blow up her first gate. Inverted later when it turns out Rose's "failed" session actually has turned out better than Kanaya's.

* [[Dropped a Bridge Onon Him]]: In order to keep a pace "characterized by a reduction in granularity," Doc Scratch treats her thus:

{{quote| '''Doc Scratch:''' The duel ends. The Seer dies. The Slayer departs.}}

* [[Dual -Wielding]]: A pair of magic wands/knitting needles. The only one of the kids to dual wield consistently as well.

* [[Dark Is Not Evil]]/[[Light Is Not Good]]: On one hand, she's a [[Black Magician Girl]] who consults [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]]... but she's mostly doing it to try and save her and her friends' lives. On the other, she's the 'Seer of Light' in the Kid's SBURB session, and there's evidence to suggest she's not really following her quest pathline, as she mainly spends time ripping the game apart with [[Artifact of Doom|dark magic wands]], communing with [[Eldritch Abomination|horrorterrors]] and [[Magnificent Bastard|Doc Scratch]], and generally trying to see the game achieve victory [[Well -Intentioned Extremist|by any means necessary.]]

* [[Fling a Light Into Thethe Future]]: Rips her walkthrough out of the internet and puts it into a server in the Furthest Ring for other SBURB players to find. In an inversion, one of the people to find it is Kanaya, in the past.

* [[Go Mad Fromfrom the Revelation]]: Rose asked Doc Scratch's omniscient cue ball if the horrorterrors were evil or not. Whatever the actual answer was, it was not healthy for her psyche.

* [[Hot -Blooded]]: Shows shades of this when she asks a question so hard it ends up breaking reality on a small scale, and her mind on a bigger scale.

* [[Leitmotif]]: [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922080042/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/aggrieve-violin-refrain-2 Aggrieve] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922082934/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/endless-climb-2 Endless Climb].

* [[Leeroy Jenkins]]: Considering her [[Hot -Blooded]] nature, her [[Genre Blindness]], and her [[Chronic Hero Syndrome]], this should not come as a surprise in the slightest.

* [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]]: At least according to Aradia, Rose's actions of deliberately tearing apart Sburb and listening to the [[Eldritch Abomination|dark gods beyond the Veil]] has ([[Time Travel Tense Trouble|or will have]]) some ''huge'' consequences.

* [[Nightmare Fetishist]]: Her love of the [[Eldritch Abomination|Zoologically Dubious]].

** She seemed to have ditched it after it got singed in the house fire, though, but made another one as part of her black-and-white squiddle robe and uses it as a belt.

* [[Screw Destiny]]: [https://web.archive.org/web/20130921103145/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003842 "I am not playing by the rules anymore. I will fly around this candy-coated rock and comb the white sand until I find answers. Nobody can tell me our fate can't be repaired."].

* [[Self -Sacrifice Scheme]]: Her plan to take '''The Tumor''' and destroy {{color|#2ed73a|TThe Green Sun}}. She knocked Dave out to ensure that she would be the one to take the fall rather than him.

** The series likes to use the verbal construct "You [verb] all the [nouns]. All of them". Rose does it thusly: "{{color|#b536de|WWe would come into possession of all the disasters. Exhaustive possession. Monopolization, in fact.}}"

* [[Sophisticated As Hell]]: {{color|#b536de|OOh fuck.}}

** Her name is ''Rose''. Her primary weapons for most of Sburb are the ''Thorns'' of Oglogoth.

* [[Sugar and Ice Personality]]: For all her snarkiness and "spookiness" she does care about her companions and will occasionally show [[Not So Stoic]] colors.

* [[This Is TVAll The Tropes Bitch]]: "WELCOME TO THE PARTY, MOTHERFUCKERS."

* [[Voice Withwith an Internet Connection]] / [[Mission Control]]: During Act 1 and 2 mainly. She takes a more direct role in the story later on.

* [[What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart, Anyway?]]: Rose's Light powers have only manifested as X-ray vision and eye powers. Compared to Dave and Jade's manifesting powers, hers are pretty bad. John is a bit of an exception as his powers are basically just brute force. This trope may eventually be averted if she goes back on track with her quest-line.

{{quote| <code>[[color:red:TG: oh my god<br />

TG: so many words<br />

TG: do you think like the pulitzer committee is secretly scouring the dregs of the [[Game FAQsGameFAQs|gamefaq]] archives or something]]</code> }}

=== '''{{color|#e00707|DDave Strider}}''' ===

{{quote| "''You have a penchant for spinning out UNBELIEVABLY ILL JAMS with your TURNTABLES AND MIXING GEAR. You like to rave about BANDS NO ONE'S EVER HEARD OF BUT YOU. You collect WEIRD DEAD THINGS PRESERVED IN VARIOUS WAYS. You are an AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHER and operate your own MAKESHIFT DARKROOM. You maintain a number of IRONICALLY HUMOROUS BLOGS, WEBSITES, AND SOCIAL NETWORKING PROFILES. And if the inspiration strikes, you won't hesitate to drop some PHAT RHYMES on a mofo and REPRESENT.''"}}

In Sburb, he is the '''{{color|#c91409|KKnight of Time}}'''. His Chumhandle is "{{color|#e00707|tturntechGodhead}}".

He had allocated his [[Weapon of Choice|STRIFE SPECIBUS]] with the [[Katanas Are Just Better|BLADEKIND ABSTRATUS]], but an incident with Bro and a "cheap piece of shit" [[Breakable Weapons|turns it into the 1/2BLADEKIND ABSTRATUS]]. He is a clone of Mom Lalonde and Bro Strider's paradox ghost slime, and is Rose's biological brother.

[[Show Within a Show|He is also the author]] of ''[[Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff]]''.

<code>{{color|#e00707|ttypes with no caps and no punctuation except sarcastic question marks and occasional ellipsis}}</code>

* [[Badass]]: Especially once [https://web.archive.org/web/20130921165219/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003541 he's in The Medium.]

** [[Badass Boast]]: [httphttps://wwwweb.archive.org/web/20130815165928/http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004728 Upon figuring out his own way to remove a legendary sword from the stone block it's stuck in.]

{{quote| {{color|#e00707|TTG: bow down before your new king bitch}}}}

** [[Badass in Aa Nice Suit]]: He has at least three suits. The Puppet Felt Tux (A red tux that feels more like a pair of ACTION PAJAMAS), the Four Aces Suited (A black, stiff suit that replaces his broken record with a broken cue ball) and the Felt Duds (A lime green suit that replaces the broken record symbol with a broken 8-ball.) Of also importance is the long-sleeved broken record shirt Dave has been known to wear - while not exactly classy, it's been implied that the Dave wearing this shirt is the one furthest along his individual timeline... excluding Future Dave/Davesprite, who comes from a [[Bad Future]] where John died before he could get Jade into the game.

* [[Big Ol' Eyebrows]]: [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004808 Damn, son.]

* [[Red Oni, Blue Oni|Blue Oni]]: to John's Red Oni, as well as Red to Rose's Blue.

* [[Character Blog]]: [http://dstrider.blogspot.com the blog of dave strider], which was then abandoned. Presumably irony factored in there somewhere.

* [[Dual -Wielding]]: [[Inverted Trope|Inverted]]. He uses ''[[Wrecked Weapon|half]]'' a sword.

** He eventually ends up just going back to the Caledscratch.

{{quote| {{color|#e00707|D}}DAVE: <br(rose />whos the john looking kid)}}

{{color|#b536de|R}}ROSE: <br(I />think it's young Father-Grandad Harleybert.)}}

{{color|#e00707|DDAVE: (what)}} }}

* [[Freak -Out]]: Despite his insistence to the contrary, [[Creepy Doll|Lil' Cal]] and the other puppets in his Bro's room send him into this.

* [[Genre Savvy]]:

{{quote| <code>{{color|#0000D4|EEB: like monsters or something.}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: howie???}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#0000D4|EEB: haha I WISH.}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: dude monsters arent real}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: thats stupid kids stuff for stupid babies}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#0000D4|EEB: maybe. yeah you're right.}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: what are you an idiot}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: of course there are monsters in your house}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: youre in some weird evil monster dimension come on}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: [[Weirdness Censor|skepticism is the crutch of cinematic troglodytes]]}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: [[Defied Trope|just once id like to see dad crap his pants when a kid says theres a vampire in his closet]]}}</code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: "OH SHIT EVERYONE IN THE MINIVAN"}} </code><br />

<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: be fuckin dad of the year right there}} </code> }}

* [[Heroic BSOD]]: Pretty much constantly since Bro's death. Most evident in his dream conversation with Rose. Rose's [[Self -Sacrifice Scheme]] almost pushes him over the edge again. Of course since it's Dave, it's hard to tell how much is serious problems and how much is [[Deadpan Snarker|snark]].

* [[MesMe's a Crowd]]: Thanks to his time powers, at one point there are over 40 Daves running around.

* [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero]]: Accidentally managed to set Gamzee off.

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#e00707| TG: but i dont want you to die }}</code>'''}}

* [[Pretty Fly for Aa White Guy]]: Is a textbook example, given his passion for rapping.

** Was 'pretty fly for a [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002286 Íæûë€Å guy]', after Andrew had to clarify that [https://web.archive.org/web/20130312064059/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/15937434515/predictably the kids] [https://web.archive.org/web/20130312064639/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/15965564122/non-reblogged-reblog are aracial], until it was changed back later.

* [[Red Eyes, Take Warning]]: While he is a dangerous [[Badass]] and an [[Running Gag|insufferable prick]], [[Subverted Trope|he generally hides his eyes behind his sunglasses, and isn't evil in the slightest]]. They also match his text color.

** His other motif, the broken sword, evokes symbolic comparisons with [[The Lord of the Rings|a different Strider]] - and the fact that he (and Davesprite) had to break Caledfwlch while "{{color|#e00707|mmaybe if john was to try with his pure heart and shit it woulda popped out like a champagne cork and fuckin hero confetti woulda blasted him in the face}}" leads to symbolism with [[King Arthur|Lancelot and Arthur]]. In fact, Caledfwlch is the Welsh name of Excalibur.

** One of the earliest demonstrations of this was Dave essentially [[New Game Plus+|New Game Plussing]] ''himself''.

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#e00707| TG: welp}}</code>'''}}

* [[Sunglasses Atat Night]]: Always wears his sunglasses, which he received as a present from John.

** Before that, he wore [[Shout -Out|a pair]] [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann|that matched]] [[Memetic Mutation|his bro's]]. He's been wearing them since he was an ''infant''.

* [[Super Speed]]: Though not as fast as Bro, Dave is able to [[Flash Step]]. Which makes sense, given that he's the Knight of Time. One of his more impressive feats is [https://web.archive.org/web/20130309193653/http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#andrewhussie1778186160 waking up, sitting up, and putting on his spare pair of shades ''in between one animation frame and the next''].

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#b536de|RROSE: You're wondering why I didn't tell you?}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#e00707|DDAVE: no}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>[[color:#b536de:ROSE: You're specifically wondering why I wasn't forthcoming <br />

with an answer to your question at the time, "hey who was that <br />

choice babe in the pajamas?"]]</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#e00707|DDAVE: god fucking dammit}}</code>''' }}

* [[Timey -Wimey Ball]]: Dave doesn't particularly know how his time travel works, and in his words it's better that way:

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: the thing with time travel is}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: you cant overthink it}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: just roll with it and see what happens}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#e00707|TTG: and above all try not to do anything retarded}}</code>''' }}

* [[Too Clever Byby Half]]: There's a reason he was [[Hello, Insert Name Here|almost named]] "Insufferable Prick."

* [[Training Fromfrom Hell]]: [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005104 Pretty much his entire life with Bro], [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004667 even back when he was a baby].

* [[Unusual Euphemism]]: Throws around a lot of them [https://web.archive.org/web/20130827063046/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002999 here].

* [[Weak -Willed]]: Unlike other characters, Dave immediately lapses into repeating what AR says when AR uses his terminal, much to Terezi's amusement. This is possibly because he was very emotional at the time, having just discovered his dead Bro.

=== '''{{color|#2ED73A|JJade Harley}}''' ===

{{quote| "''You are an avid follower of CARTOON SHOWS OF CONSIDERABLE NOSTALGIC APPEAL. You have a profound zeal for marvelous and fantastical FAUNA OF AN ANTHROPOMORPHOLOGICAL PERSUASION. You have an uncanny knack for NUCLEAR PHYSICS, and not infrequently can be found dabbling in RATHER ADVANCED GADGETRY. You enjoy sporadic fits of NARCOLEPSY; your love of GARDENING transcends the glass confines of your ATRIUM; and you are at times prone to patterns of PRECOGNITIVE PROGNOSTICATION.''"}}

A quirky, upbeat girl living alone on a remote island off the northeast coast of Australia, guarded only by her "[[Physical God|dog]]" Becquerel and the taxidermied body of her late Grandpa.

In Sburb, she is the '''{{color|black|WWitch of Space}}'''. Her Chumhandle is "{{color|#2ED73A|ggardenGnostic}}".

Additionally, Jade's [[Split Personality|dream self]] spent some time as {{color|#1f9400|JJadesprite}}, her sprite prototyped with [[Homestuck (Webcomic)/Characters/Guardians/Characters|Becquerel]] and the corpse of her dream self. Jadesprite was merged back into normal Jade when said normal Jade ascended to the God Tiers, so tropes for Jadesprite are folded in here as well, as they are not really separate characters.

<code>{{color|#4ac925|ttypes with no caps or periods but often overpunctuates with exclamation marks and ellipses!!!!! she also likes to use}}</code>

<code>{{color|#4ac925|ssmilies and hearts <3}}</code>

<code>{{color|#1f9400|aas jadesprite she also barks occasionally woof woof!!!!!!}}</code>

<code>{{color|#4ac925|ssince reaching god tier she has a bit of a verbal tic woof!!}}</code>

* [[Angst Dissonance]]: In-universe. Jade is... [[No -Holds -Barred Beatdown|not too pleased]] about Jadesprite having trouble calming down, to say the least -- although from Jadesprite's perspective she's been dead for thirteen years and it's realistic for her to have trouble coping with suddenly being dragged back into Sburb.

* [[Break the Cutie]]: Averted. The death of her dreamself, the explosion of her dreambot, and her nightmare visions of [[Eldritch Abomination|Eldritch Abominations]] put a dent in her [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004752 chipper] demeanor for a little while, but she's soon [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004757 back in full] [[Genki Girl|genki]] mode.

* [[Came Back Wrong]]/[[Damaged Soul]]: Apparently normal creatures aren't too compatible with First Guardians. Among other things, Jadesprite's grief is due to being either heavily annoyed or even ''blinded'' by the ever-present light of the '''{{color|#2ED73A|GGreen Sun}}''', besides being pulled out of her afterlife dream bubble.

* [[Catch Phrase]]: {{color|#4ac925| oh nooooooo}}

** Jadesprite still uses Jade's {{color|#1f9400|ooh noooooo}}, but also tends to {{color|#1f9400|wwoof}} from time to time. Although her catch phrase might as well be "BOO HOO HOO" for all the times it shows up.

* [[Expressive Shirt]]: Unlike the other characters, the design on Jade's shirt has changed multiple times, from an [http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gardengnostic.PNG atom]{{Dead link}} to a [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002667 pumpkin] to a [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002668 leaf], with a total of ten different designs. Readers voted to pin it to these three: Atom, Spirograph, and Sun.

* [[Furry Fandom]]: She's a huge fan of it, but isn't into fursuits.

** Given some utterly fantastic callbacks later in that she becomes part-dog ''twice'' - once as Jadesprite, and again by merging with Jadesprite when ascending to the God Tiers.

* [[Get a Hold of Yourself, Man!]]: She tries this on Jadesprite, who upon being revived is constantly bawling and blubbering. When it obviously isn't working, she upgrades the [[Bright Slap]] to bright-beatdown, then just starts beating her to make her shut up.

* [[Green Eyes]]: [http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1540483313 According to Andrew]{{Dead link}}, the kids' eyes match their text colors.

* [[The Gunslinger]]: She has experience in target shooting and keeps rifles in her room, though she refuses to [[Friend to All Living Things|aim at anything innocent, ANTHROPOMORPHICALLY PERSUADED OR OTHERWISE.]]

* [[Is This What Anger Feels Like?]]: The normally bubbly and cheerful Jade occasionally flies into a rage when someone is being uncontrollably obnoxious around her. See [[Hypocritical Humor]] and [[Reason You Suck Speech]].

* [[Leitmotif]]: [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922081719/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/gardener Gardener], which is actually a remix of [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922024033/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/the-beginning-of-something-really-excellent The Beginning of Something Really Excellent].<ref>[[Don't Ask|For a variety of reasons that aren't especially interesting]], Jade's original leitmotif, Guardian, was replaced.</ref>

* [[Mukokuseki]]: Inverted. Jade, like the other kids is designed to not be any particular race and isn't in terms of the plot but fanart often portrays her as looking Asian.

* [[Precision F -Strike]]: {{color|#2ED73A|ooh fuck!!!!!!}}

** [[Cluster F -Bomb]]: During her brief angry shouting matches, she starts cursing a lot more.

* [[Raised Byby Wolves]]: She was taken care of more by Bec than by her grandfather. [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003574 Mentioned here.]

* [[Rich in Dollars, Poor In Sense]]: Jade deciding to give Dave's apartment "[[Men Can't Keep House|a woman's touch]]." She starts with wetting a towel in the toilet. "This is how ordinary people clean ordinary houses, right?"

* [[Self -Made Orphan]] / [[Shoot the Dog]]: Both tropes subverted by being a goofy, carefree, non-villainous example. When she 2nd-tier prototypes Becsprite with her dreamself, she wipes his personality out of existence, and even [[Lampshadeslampshade]]s what's she's doing:

{{quote| Becquerel comes quickly at the promise of irradiated steak. He is such a good boy, and truly the best friend a girl could ever hope for. <br />

{{quote| '''<code>{{color|#2ED73A|GGG: wait...}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#2ED73A|GGG: so me arguing with my dead dream self}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#2ED73A|GGG: and smacking her around while screaming at her}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#2ED73A|GGG: makes me SANE???}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#626262|CCG: YES, ABSOLUTELY.}}</code>'''<br />

'''<code>{{color|#626262|CCG: IT MEANS ALL OF YOUR HIDEOUS FLAWS DISGUST YOU.}}</code>''' }}

* [[Shout -Out]]: [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004888 Her arrival in the LOFAF] comes with music similar to [[Sonic 3 and Knuckles (Video Game)|a video game's]] [[Slippy -Slidey Ice World|ice land's]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxlqTpZ-24 theme] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtQtbWifobQ song.]

** Her Witch of Space outfit has [[The Wizard of Oz (Filmfilm)|black and white striped socks and ruby slippers]].

* [[Slippy -Slidey Ice World]] -> [[Wild Wilderness]]: Her land defrosts later in the game.

* [[Small Girl, Big Gun]]: Even her normal rifle was pretty big for her, but once she's in the medium her weapons are at ''least'' the same size as her. She displays visible sadness when she's unable to make a cannon easily twice her size.

* [[Star -Spangled Spandex]]: Her Three in the Morning Dress. It's derived from Snowman, whose trenchcoat also does the same thing on occasion.

* [[Strange Girl]]: Between her [[Buffy -Speak|quirkily]] upbeat personality, apparent narcolepsy and memory problems, and her apparent prophetic abilities, she definitely counts, and has been noted as such within the comic.

* [[Surveillance Asas the Plot Demands]]: Her Junior Compu-Sooth Spectagoggles allow her to see anything going on in the Incipisphere. They're also computers.

* [["The Reason You Suck" Speech]]: After enduring a memo of almost nothing but Karkat arguing with himself, she goes off on both of them. [[I Hate Past Me|Future Karkat approves]].

* [[What the Hell, Hero?]]: In Fruity Rumpus Asshole Factory, Jade tells Karkat that if he had approached her and her friends with any kind of civility instead of acting like a jackass to them she probably would have been willing to listen to them.

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