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> WEIGH IN ON CONTROVERSIAL MATTERS
You proceed to [[Hold Your Hippogriffs|give your two boondollars]] regarding the following [[YMMV|controversial]] subjects.▼
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▲You proceed to [[Hold Your Hippogriffs|give your two boondollars]] regarding the following controversial subjects.
== Story and Characters ==
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]:
** Is Vriska a [[Broken Bird]] who is just trying to fit in desperately with people in the only way she knows how? A [[Magnificent Bastard]] who manipulates everything for fun? A confused little girl trying to live up to the example set by her infamous ancestor, even when she doesn't necessarily find it all that fun? Someone who has atoned for her actions and should be forgiven or hasn't and her ultimate death was justice? Hello, [[Broken Base]]! Canonically, she is present as somewhere in between all of these things.
** Interpretations of the Felt pretty much rely on this, as aside from Clover, none of them are portrayed as anything more than mobsters.
** Jack Noir is presented as a [[Complete Monster]] in canon, but fans often play up his sympathetic traits.
** Is Bro's relationship with Dave a friendly brotherly rivalry, or is he an [[Abusive Parents|abusive father]]?
** Was Darkleer's [[Wangst]] legitimate or was Mindfang just being dismissive?
** [[Fan Nickname|Daddy Droog]], Diamonds Droog as an overprotective [[Overprotective Dad|father]] / [[Big Brother Instinct|big brother]] figure [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold]], specifically toward Aradia. This is assuredly non-canonical, as Droog was implied to be [[A Date with Rosie Palms|masturbating to Aradia]].
** UU is a mysterious character, and while she's been presented thus far as a nice girl, there's enough to suggest she's a [[Manipulative Bitch]] for fans to believe it.
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* [[Angst? What Angst?]]: Act 4 and 5 are a [[Trauma Conga Line]] for the Kids but none of them are very fazed by it.
** [[Averted Trope|Averted later.]] Rose angsts a fair amount about the futility of their session, and all of the Kids are affected to some extent by their Guardian's death. Dave outright goes a little crazy for a bit from grief and doesn't snap out of it until the end of Act 5.
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** What's even worse than that? Act 5, Act 2. [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?viewmap=6 Just look at the map for it.] Then look at how many checkpoints it has.
** In fact, all of Act 5 can be seen as this, as Act 5 in total takes up ''nearly half the webcomic by time spent on it alone''.
* [[Artistic License: Biology]]: Andrew doesn't understand biology very well. This is most obvious with the troll's blood colors (as pigmented body fluids make no sense at all) and their reproduction methods, as well as the high rate of significant mutations (Sollux and Vriska especially are never much explained despite being far beyond the genetic norm) and the nautical royalty race (which in reality is more or less a completely different species).
** On the other hand, they are [[Starfish Aliens]] in the guise of [[Human Aliens]]; applying logic doesn't work out entirely.
* [[Artistic License Physics]]: The united trolls & humans plan to be sent at near light-speed on their asteroid to the new B2 session in a single push. When Karkat objects that they can't stay ahead of a pursuing Jack, [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006285 Rose shuts him up] by mentioning "Troll [[Isaac Newton]]," which is well and good except for two problems:
## Accelerating to near light-speed in a single short push would impart enough energy to render them instantly into a sub-atomic plasma.
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* [[Browser Narcotic]]: Only because you're very, ''very'' likely to miss crucial details on the first read, especially if you zip through the relatively slow-paced first year, and updates drop sporadically. It could've updated ''[[Memetic Mutation|right now]]''.
* [[Cargo Ship]]: Bro/Lil Cal. [[Nightmare Fuel|Yes, it exists.]]
** Smuppets are someone's [[Rule 34]] enough to make a profitable website out of it. Faith in the audience's depth of irony is a...[[Go Mad
* [[Complete Monster]]: The Jack Noir that becomes Jackspers Noirlecrow/Bec Noir not only kills hundreds of people for his own amusement - he '''thoroughly enjoys it'''. That he goes so far as to [[Hero-Killer|kill many of the protagonists]] because he can only cements him in this status.
** [[Monster Clown|The Grand Highblood]]. The wall behind his throne is COATED with various colors of blood, and surviving a meeting with him is basically up to his whims: Whether it would be more hilarious to him to allow a troll to survive or to beat them to death for shits and giggles.
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* [[He's Just Hiding]]: Happens with several characters, but it was probably invoked when Jane was caught in a mailbox explosion...and then found to be sleeping unharmed behind her house.
** Earlier, it was common for fans to speculate that when a character died it was really an [[Alternate Timeline]] and didn't actually happen. In what might be a [[Fandom Nod]], Jack Noir's apparent killing of Karkat and Terezi was in fact an alternate timeline, as was the death of Spades Slick seen a short time later.
* [[Genre Shift]]: Hivebent had elements of [[Teen Drama]], [[Fan Nickname|horrorstuck]] has elements of a [[Slasher Movie]]. Also, Homestuck has gradually gotten darker in tone from act to act.
* [[Harsher in Hindsight]]: The early pages with John goofing off in his house take a much darker cast when you know what he's about to experience.
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** Now taken [[Up to Eleven]] by Lord English.
** Some fans adapted Calsprite's laugh into [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FddbkYIxcNw a horrifying video]. That goes on for an hour, nonetheless. Enjoy.
* [[Ho Yay]]:
** [[Lipstick Lesbian|Kanaya]] canonically has an unrequited crush on Vriska, and fans believe that she may be developing feelings for [[Interspecies Romance|Rose]].
*** At one point, Kanaya considers leaving the others and their adventures behind and staying on the meteor, but Rose convinces her to come with them. Not [[Ship Tease|shippy]] in and of itself...except for the fact that immediately after Karkat starts complaining that everyone is hitting on each other, and Sollux seems to agree.
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* [[Hype Aversion]]: Boy ''howdy.'' The [[Stalker with a Crush|creepy]], [[The Pig Pen|unwashed]], and occasionally violent portion of the fanbase doesn't help this, either.
* [[Jerkass Woobie]]: Karkat owns this trope. He embodies it.
** Vriska. Murderous, manipulative megalomaniac without a shred of empathy? Or girl living under impossible (partially self-inflicted) pressures, unable to make a single one of her dreams come true, who wishes to live in a less cruel world? (Answer: Both.)
* [[Kudzu Plot]]: Very much so! And Andrew is extremely good at keeping plot holes from happening <ref>
** Though some minor plot details [[What Happened to the Mouse?|have outright been forgotten.]]
* [[Magnificent Bastard]]: Doc Scratch
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* [[A Million Is a Statistic]]: Arguably, Vriska and Eridan, killing three people between them, are considered [[Complete Monster]]s, while Jack, who killed millions, hardly seems to have hit the [[Moral Event Horizon]]. Arguably, Vriska and Eridan had killed their so-called friends, rather than simply attacking their enemies. Eridan did however destroy the Matriorb, thereby dooming the Trolls to extinction, and Jack will blow up Derse, which is basically his home.
** The kids and the trolls are much more broken up over their friends' and loved ones' deaths than the destruction of their respective races.
*** Virtually nobody brings up the fact that Vriska personally murdered thousands of trolls, or that Eridan murdered their lusi
**** Feferi, at least, has an excuse: if she doesn't keep her lusus alive by feeding it the lusi Eridan hunts, it will kill ''[[Brown Note|everyone in the galaxy.]]'' Vriska's case is similar, if less intense (failing to feed her lusus will only lead to the death of the two of them, as opposed to the entire galaxy), but other aspects of her character mentioned elsewhere on this page keep her from being seen as sympathetic in the eyes of some.
* [[Moral Event Horizon]]: Where exactly Jack crosses the line probably depends on the reader, but the way he [[Hero-Killer|runs around stabbing many beloved characters]] makes Aradia's curbstomping him ''really'' satisfying to watch. A good point of reference would probably be his senseless destruction of Prospit and Skaia (killing Dream Jade in the process).
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* [[Motive Decay]]: At first, Jack's motives appeared to revolve around a desire to rule, [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005446 but now...]
** Eridan crosses this after he KO'd Sollux, killed Feferi and Kanaya, and attempted to fight Gamzee and Vriska.
*** Hammered home with Jack's duel with Rose versus his duel with Vriska. He doesn't remotely take Vriska seriously and simply flies off to murder the rest of the trolls to rub it in her face.
* [[Poe's Law]]: [[Zig-Zagging Trope|Zig-zagged]]. Due to the meta-humour, self-parody and Andrew's [[Author Avatar]] persona, the lines between things like [[Creator Backlash]], [[Creator Breakdown]], [[Take That, Audience!]] and parodies of the same are pretty blurry.
* [[Rewatch Bonus]]: Lots of them, given the comic's layered symbolism and [[Anachronic Order]].
* [[Romantic Plot Tumor]]: How some viewed the troll romance shenanigans and subsequent exploration of terms.
** [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] by John in [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 this page]
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** John/Vriska is unique in that it's the only directly stated and serious romance that has developed during the story, as all other romances were part of the character's motivations from the start. This has caused many to respond to it with vitriol.
** Act 6. Although it might be a parody, given that it centers around [[Memetic Sex God]] Jake.
* [[Ruined FOREVER]]: It is very hard to take the ending to [[Con Air]] seriously anymore after [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922063602/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003831
* [[Spotlight-Stealing Squad]]: The trolls didn't come up at all until early in Act 3 with Jade's trollslum and Karkat's one angry rant at her. Then Act 4 featured lots of conversations between a few of them and the kids. Then all of Act 5 happened.
** The Post-Scratch Kids too to an extent.
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** And then [[Word of God|Andrew Hussie wrote]] on his Formspring account that Aradia being [[Dead All Along]] was sufficiently foreseeable to deserve a fairly [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004092 sarcastic treatment] from the narration. [[Sarcasm Mode|And yeah, it was totally foreseeable, Andrew, we'd have to be idiots to not be able to guess such a thing without any foreshadowing.]]
*** To top it off, the page after the revelation about Aradia has one of the characters admitting she didn't see it coming and being reassured that that doesn't make her stupid.
** None of these, however, compare to the stunning revelation that ''the trolls are really playing one game, not two''. The other two are at least handled in a normal fashion and then lampshaded with "yes, I know that was terribly obvious", but Hussie drew the line at this one and didn't even ''pretend'' to reveal it
** Act 6 beginning with the B2 Kids was pretty widely anticipated and expected, though some doubt was thrown into the mix with ambiguity if the Scratch worked.
*** Noted as such by Andrew Hussie on [https://web.archive.org/web/20130310171324/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/12680094125/answers his tumblr]:
{{quote|There are lots of major curveballs thrown at you in HS. I personally don’t think this was one.}}
* [[Viewer Gender Confusion]]: A surprising number of people thought Kanaya was [[Bishonen|a really girly boy]] before [[Word of God]] confirmed her gender.
** Mostly because the kids didn't know her gender and called her a him in their conversations.
** Eventually acknowledged in a conversation:
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* [[Wangst]]: Parodied with John's angst towards his dad. His lack of a problem is lampshaded by Rose on [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002074 this page.] Also parodied with Rose; although her mother may be a legitimately unpleasant person (it's hard to say), Rose seems to interpret her every action as an attempt to spite her.
** Eridan spends a ''lot'' of time complaining about how hard things are for
*** Darkleer, at least according to Mindfang (although that might just be her being unsympathetic).
* [[What Could Have Been]]: Hussie had planned ''Heroes of Light: Strife'', an epic animation for round two of the battle between Grimdark Rose and Bec Noir (round one can be seen [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005596 here], as well as the battle between Vriska and Bec Noir that would have been set to [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922145933/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/at-the-price-of-oblivion this] but--
{{quote|'''Hussie:''' The planned animation would have been a major escalation in production value. The sophistication of the animations has increased over time, and part of the point of this for me is to keep pushing the envelope, but there are limits to how far you can go. It's good to keep pushing and find your limits and test them, but realistically you'll have to pull back at some point. Because that is what a limit is. A line between something you can do, and something that is literally impossible.
I'm not saying the animation I had in mind was impossible, but it was approaching scary territory. I just made a judgment and decided it wasn't worth the energy, all things considered.|(More details [http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/203816765505956791 here])}}
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** Not to mention John's utterly thoughtless [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005590 loss] of his ''sixth'' computer.
** Eridan's decision to join Jack despite Jack being an [[Omnicidal Maniac]] who probably wouldn't let anyone join him. Then there's his whole genocide against the angels on his planet. And his attempts to get his friends to help him genocide all of them. And his pathetic romantic miscues. The list goes on.
* [[Wham! Episode]]: [[Wham! Episode/Web Comics/Homestuck|There's a whole page for it.]]
* [[Wheelchair Woobie]]: Tavros, the woobie and pushover of the trolls' session, spends much of the story crippled. He even convinces himself his lack of mobility affects his self-esteem.
* [[Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds]]: Clearly evident in Eridan after he destroyed the Matriorb and killed Kanaya and Feferi.
** Gamzee is seen as this by some, by [[Alternative Character Interpretation]] of suffering from abandonment issues.
* [[World of Woobie]]: ''Multiple'' [[World of Woobie|Worlds of Woobie.]] It's probably safe to say that damn near every character in the comic needs a big hug.
== Audience reactions and Fandom related tropes ==
* [[Alas, Poor Scrappy]]: Certain trolls by the time of their previously clamored-for deaths.
** Vriska, Vriska, Vriska. The last messages she sent for John pulled a lot of retroactive heartstrings even amongst diehard haters.
*** On the other hand, [[Romantic Plot Tumor]]. She still has her haters. Not to mention her view of her murders is really scattershot; she waves off Aradia's murder in the same breath that she feels bad about Tavros's.
** Fans have always blamed the Andrew Hussie for any of the bad events that happened in the story. When his his [[Author Avatar]] got shot, a lot of fans were shocked and hoped [[He's Just Hiding|he would survive somehow]].
* [[And the Fandom Rejoiced]]: Fans of Gamzee/Tavros (considered a popular pairing with little backing) had a field day with [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005886 this update].
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* [[Base Breaker]]: Vriska is easily the most divisive character in the comic. Just look at how many tropes she has as compared to the rest of the trolls and kids. According to [[Word of God]], this was fully intentional.
** Eridan nearly matched Vriska after his murder of Feferi. He became both [[Draco in Leather Pants]] ''and'' [[Ron the Death Eater]] [[Take a Third Option|at the same time.]]
** The trolls in general - to some, [[Ensemble Darkhorse
** Snowman to a much lesser extent. She has an enormous amount of fans to screentime and in comic she does little but torment Spades Slick constantly.
** Doc Scratch taking over the story has also been met with dislike, though that faded mostly as it progressed to a more normal story
** All of these ''pale'' before Vriska admitting feelings for John and asking him on a date.
** With the advent of the Great SHOOSHPAPPING of 2011, the fandom is divided over Gamzee and the fate he deserves.
** Roxy is a more recent example. Some see her as an [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] for some of her [[Crowning Moment of Funny|drinking moments.]] Some find the underaged drinking [[Dude, Not Funny|not so funny.]]
* [[
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** [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004970 Later], and completely apropos of nothing, a Vriska-manipul8ted Hussie rides [[The Neverending Story (film)|Falcor]] (with rapidly cycling pool-ball eyes, no less), who barfs on some bullies.
** [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005286 And then he does something even more ridiculous.]
*** These authorial inserts are parodying the fan reactions to the events prior, see [[Creator Backlash]] below for more information. Given proper context in that sense, they are not [[
* [[Canon Defilement]]: John directly told Karkat he wasn't interested in him or any guy for that matter. John/Karkat and John/Dave remain some of the most popular ships in the fandom. Some fanfics will often have John say his previous "not a homosexual" was just a prank.
** Any flushed<ref>the closest thing trolls have to human romance</ref> or caliginous<ref>the closest thing trolls have to [[Foe Yay]]</ref> ships pairing [[Lesbian Vampire|Kanaya]] [[If It's You It's Okay|with]] a [[Incompatible Orientation|guy]].
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*** There's a long discussion about this one in the Headscratchers page, but to discuss it here further is [[Flame Bait]].
** The common fan interpretation of Gamzee having abandonment issues. It disregards that Terezi ''never'' had a lusus until shortly before the comic, Gamzee's problems stemming from underlying mental problems, and the seagoat lusus shown in the B2 Universe being [[Ax Crazy]]. Not to mention the fact that Gamzee had his lususprite around during his adventures for a month solid before he went nuts, which was clearly triggered by ICP.
* [[Crack Pairing]]: Too many to list. There are [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5570 multiple]{{Dead link}} [https://web.archive.org/web/20100419012736/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6533 fanart] [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7645 threads]{{Dead link}} dedicated to all the other crack pairings, and the author himself has [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scraps2/sassacrexcal.gif drawn]{{Dead link}} [[Mark Twain|Colonel Sassacre]]/[[Demonic Dummy|Lil' Cal]].
** To many, Gamzee/Tavros (which is by far the most popular ship for either of them), considering they've spoken all of once in canon. Later made [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005886 canon at least from Gamzee's feelings]. Tavros looked terrified.
** Also, [[Incompatible Orientation|John/Karkat]], often using the [[Alternate Character Interpretation]] of John in a [[Transparent Closet]].
* [[Creator Backlash]]: Andrew is doing the story however ''he'' feels is best, and occasionally his attacks on the fandom in the comic itself can be seen as childish and crude.<ref>
** However, his comments on the two-year anniversary shows that [[Jerk with a Heart of Gold|despite his nigh-endless trolling of the fandom]], [[Tsundere|he likes the readers anyway]].
* [[Creator Worship]]: Andrew has mentioned that people are beginning to recognize him in public and apparently doesn't wear MSPA merch outside of cons anymore so they specifically don't. Online, criticizing the Hussiah in some circles is tantamount to painting an enormous target on your back.
** One more good-natured and universal idea, however, is a respect of Andrew's decisions, as Homestuck is ultimately a grand experiment for him, and so certain things like Vriska being an intentional [[The Scrappy|scrappy]] are justified as him exploring the reception of characters.
* [[Creator's Pet]]: Vriska again. She even develops a romance with John and is more important than Karkat, the designated main troll character. Also gets a sequence where Doc admits that she stood a fair chance at defeating Jack Noir, ie the man who blows up planets for fun. If that doesn't cry overpowered, nothing does. As with most things involving [[Teasing Creator|Hussie]], this was intentional.
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** Actually, the number of Eridan fangirls who bend over to excuse him for going in a rampage and killing Feferi is ''staggering''. Specially considering that many of them bash the crap out of Feferi and call her "bitch", "slut" and "shellfish" acknowledging that her and Eridan's moirail relationship wasn't the best for her, and breaking it off. She ''did'' offer Eridan to be her friend, which is frankly rather good considering how things were, but he still killed her. [[Dogged Nice Guy|Nice Guy (TM) syndrome]] at its finest.
** Whenever Vriska isn't labelled as [[The Scrappy]], she gets a surprising amount of this trope. To the level of Jack and Gamzee.
* [[Dude, Not Funny]]: There are several characters that die. Andrew plays this a few times for comedy and uses SBaHJ quotes.
** The quote in question, regarding Kanaya's death, [[Fridge Brilliance|makes a lot more sense]] when she comes back as a [[Our Vampires Are Different|Rainbowdrinker]].
** Gamzee's murders are the ones most often accused of this, as Andrew whiplashes between comedy and horrific images, such as using a SBAHJified Gamzee turning to face Nepeta immediately after having strangled Equius.
* [[Ensemble Darkhorse]]: Now divided by section!
** Dave is easily the most popular Kid, though John is also fairly popular. Jade tends to alternate between being [[The Scrappy]] and an [[Ensemble Darkhorse]] because of her [[Parody Sue]] nature while Rose is consistently not very popular.
** Sentryworm, FedoraFreak, Ms. Paint, [[Crack Pairing|Secret Wizard and Crumplehat]] out of miscellaneous characters.
** Bro is the most popular Guardian, and Karkat's lusus is the most popular lusi.
** The trolls receive a vastly disproportionate amount of fanart compared to their amount of featured time. Probably because they expanded the main cast by 300%, [[Dysfunction Junction|are all sorts of messed up]], [https://web.archive.org/web/20130627021948/http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Troll_romance have a system of romance which allows people to remain technically monogamous while simultaneously being paired with multiple people,] and have no concept of gender-specific sexuality. Or because they're an in-canon [[Sailor Earth]], with their own session of Sburb (or Sgrub, rather).
*** And even among the trolls, one character stands above all the others in terms of fan-love-to-appearances, thanks in large part to a simple comment made by Hussie himself. To wit: "There are major characters, and there are minor ones. If you're waiting for me to fire up NEPETAQUEST 2011, don't hold your breath." The end result? At least ''two'' major Nepetaquest fan projects underway, and Nepeta probably has more art of her extant than any other individual troll.
*** Prior to the actual naming of trolls and their arc, GC or Terezi as she's known now was by far the most popular troll. She's actually [[The Scrappy]] now, having become the [[Straight Man]] and shed a lot of her original characterization.
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** Roxy is popular even amongst those who dislike the B2 Kids, for being the only one to really differentiate her personality from her alternates.
* [[Epileptic Trees]]: Fan theories about Doc Scratch's identity when he was just known as "White Text Guy" ranged everywhere from Lord English, to a [[wikipedia:Ophiuchus|thirteenth troll]], to Bec, to an [[Obfuscating Stupidity]] Karkat.
** The WMG pages are ''huge''. It's safe to say ''Homestuck'' inspires a lot of theories.
** Dave Strider is the in-universe author of [[Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff]], and the comics often allude to events in Homestuck. So whenever a new SBaHJ comic comes out, there are a lot of crazy theories about what it might be foreshadowing.|
* [[Fan Community Nicknames]]: Either Homestuckers or more and more commonly just "a Homestuck", as in "John is a Homestuck and keeps F5ing the main page".
* [[Fan Sequel]]: '''[[Homestuck^2]]'' is arguably this despite it being the official sequal to ''Homestuck'' since it was written by fans.
* [[Fandom Rivalry]]: With ''[[Axis Powers Hetalia]]''.
** As well as with [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]].
*** [[Flat What|What]]. Why?
*** Slash ships mostly for the first, both coming to prominence on 4chan at the same time for the second.
*** Dirk turning out to be a brony and [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]] becoming somewhat less prominent reduced the fandom fighting on that front, and the ''Hetalia'' rivalry reached
* [[Fountain of Memes]]
* [[Funny Aneurysm Moment]]: All. The. Time. If TV Tropes had individual pages for this trope, Homestuck would be one of the first to get one.
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** In [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004718 Dave: Answer Gamzee,] Gamzee saying that he hasn't had a good pie in a while takes on new significance after he does his acrobatic fucking pirouette off the handle.
*** The contents of Dad's wallet are revealed to be a ton of shaving cream, which is presented as comedic. Just before '''[S] Cascade''', the Courtyard Droll returns with the shaving cream and uses it to kill Jade.
*** Beta!Dad's [[Doting Parent]] routine is a bit saddening when you consider [https://web.archive.org/web/20120625163722/http://latiaiam.deviantart.com/art/just-a-reminder-comic-213811317 what John's surrounded by.]
** Aradia's snarky line about how Karkat should just keep listening to his self-destructive, angry impulses gets much worse when you find out later from Karkat that many if not most of the Aradiabots from doomed timelines came about because of hasty decisions on his part. In other words, a lot of her snark towards Karkat came because she got to see herself (and her friends) die over and over again because of him.
* [[Hilarious in Hindsight]]: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Z6TA8Lrwc This video] came out about six months before the Felt album, though the former is jazz.
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* [[Internet Backdraft]]: There was a contained but impressive one of these on the forums when it was revealed that Vriska had been behind Bec's prototyping and indeed, the creation of Bec himself. The comic's designated chat thread reached 100 pages in just over ''16 hours.''
* [[It Gets Better]]: The beginning with John floundering about in his room is starkly different from the later parts of the comic. In fact, each Act can basically be considered a somewhat different style of story, as by the time of Act 5, the plot has become incredibly convoluted, confusing, and dramatic.Fans of ''[[Problem Sleuth]]'' have been a bit put off by the drastic change in style. Note that it has been stated the slow beginning of ''Homestuck'' was intentional.
** The trolls might have been written too well, as they came across to readers as off-putting as they were to the main characters. Then twelve of them with accompanying [[Wall of Text|walls of text]] hijacked the story and severely throttled the pace. With [[Character Development]] and [[Art Shift|art shifts]], some managed to [[Rescued
* [[Jumping the Shark]]: Specifically perhaps with the introduction of Vriska, an up to then unseen character who unlike the other trolls who had appeared as far back as Act 3, immediately became a focal point of the plot and a deliberate exercise in [[The Scrappy|annoying the]] [[Creator's Pet|fandom.]] [[Broken Base|It
* [[Just Here for Godzilla|Just Here For The Trolls]]: A large portion of the fanbase.
* [[Launcher of a Thousand Ships]]: Due to the fandom's tendency to relentlessly ship everyone with everyone, the entire main cast could be classified as a launcher. This is especially true for the Trolls who are almost universally bisexual. Then there's [[Foe Yay|kismesis]], which opens up a lot of options.
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** Though that may also be from the way works like [[Robot Chicken]] and [[Family Guy]] have desensitized audiences to the word ''cancer''. In a charity commercial begging for research funds, references to cancer are usually viewed as heartbreaking; in a webcomic prone to silliness, it's more likely to be [[Played for Laughs]] (which in this case it wasn't, but the expectation totally ruined the effect).
* [[Nightmare Retardant]]: With the Troll killing arc, Hussie is trying to have have both comedy and horror at once. It doesn't really work that way.
** Andrew can really not draw dead people. They have goofy looking faces.
*** He's picked up on this and future deaths have all had people's faces off panel or face down.
* [[Paranoia Fuel]]: John, Rose, and Dave have graffiti scrawled all over their walls... that ''they put there themselves but their mind won't let them perceive it''. How do you know the same hasn't happened to ''you''?
** This [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005255 update,] directed to Karkat.
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** There are a number of readers who consider Andrew's self-insert interludes an unwelcome and self-indulgent distraction from the strip's drama, or even personal attacks.
** Some other characters include Snowman (for doing nothing but antagonize Slick and being loved for it), Gamzee (for his murder spree), and Jack Noir (for decaying into a [[Generic Doomsday Villain]])
** Virtually nobody in the fandom liked Kanaya's [http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/File:Image_485.png portrait] in "[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004692 Past Karkat: Wake Up]", and it was changed completely to a much better
** There was an immediate negative response from some to Roxy's character glorifying teenage drinking. At the same time, many consider her to be their favorite post-Scratch kid.
*** Many find the B2 Kids in general to do little to differentiate themselves from their alternates. Dirk is somewhat different from Dave, while Roxy is completely different from Rose, but Jane and Jake heavily resemble John and Jade, making them somewhat unpopular for that.
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** Apparently, Jade did the same to him too. [[Squick|As a toddler.]]
*** Another one. Jade and John's parents are genetically not related, but were raised as brother and sister, so in a sense it could be considered incest, although they had no knowledge of it or ability to stop it.
*** Gamzee apparently ''ate'' part of Tavros's corpse. Or made out with his severed head.
**** [[Fridge Logic|It's also quite possible]] that he kissed it in an attempt to bring Tavros back via dreamself, failed, and promptly went insane. This doubles as a [[Tear Jerker]] and [[Fridge Horror]] when you start to wonder how it was that Tavros wound up decapitated...
*** The "Daddy Droog" fanon raises the question if those fans ''really'' got the point of Droog [[Smoking Hot Sex|smoking]] after [[A Date with Rosie Palms|watching Aradia beat Vriska to death]]; and it's not even a debatable thing, because his [[Porn Stash]] is right there in his hands at the same time.
** Spades Slick isn't actually dead, and Andrew Hussie is nursing him back to health after making him a cyborg. No problem. He is nursing him back to health with milk "fresh from the Butler's teat". [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006571 Probable image of the butler in question].
* [[Strangled by the Red String]]: John and Vriska both in regards to one another; it's hard to imagine the John in earlier Acts being okay with a serial killer crushing on him, and likewise up until she started talking to John, Vriska had few to no redeeming qualities.
** Later updates have him realize that it was ridiculous of him to even have considered her as a romantic possibility, both because they had only known each other for a day and because of the aforementioned serial-killing.
** Likewise Gamzee slightly in relation to Tavros. Not even mentioned before the very late stages of Act 5, and thereafter seems to be obsessed with him.
* [[Tastes Like Diabetes]]: [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104183037/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/squiddles The Squiddles album.]
** Averted with [https://web.archive.org/web/20140219030505/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/let-the-squiddles-sleep-end-theme Let The Squiddles Sleep].
*** But the first part is cute...
*** Also plays the trope straight in that it is one of the least popular albums.
* [[Ugly Cute]]: The trolls when they aren't [[Moe|downright adorable
** Double for their grub stage, which looks exactly like you would think [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005968 only ADORABLE].
* [[Uncanny Valley]]: Characters are depicted either in miniature form (stylistically depicted without arms) or a more realistic 'Hero Mode'. What happens when you have Hero Mode with the miniature form's stubby feet and no arms? You get [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006353 this.]
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*** And again with Doc Scratch suddenly interrupting the story and deciding to move things along after a [[Filler|months long stretch of nothing happening.]]
*** And with the fans who disliked his story telling or the [o]termission cheered as Andrew Hussie burst out of his study to start strangling Doc Scratch.
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