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** Episode 19 of ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'' has a group of Tentacool, one of them happening to evolve after Team Rocket tried to capture them, that attacked the humans because Obaba (not to be confused with the one from the episode before this one) wanted to build a hotel resort where their nest is. However, Misty, with the help of a Horsea, manage to convince them that not all humans are bad people.
** Episode 19 of ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'' has a group of Tentacool, one of them happening to evolve after Team Rocket tried to capture them, that attacked the humans because Obaba (not to be confused with the one from the episode before this one) wanted to build a hotel resort where their nest is. However, Misty, with the help of a Horsea, manage to convince them that not all humans are bad people.
* ''[[Slayers]]'' usually don't mess with it, but in ''Slayers Premium'' people scream at their kin affected by that curse while ''knowing'' what's going on, and later...
* ''[[Slayers]]'' usually don't mess with it, but in ''Slayers Premium'' people scream at their kin affected by that curse while ''knowing'' what's going on, and later...
{{quote| Lina: Aren't the octopi getting the short end of the stick here?}}
{{quote|Lina: Aren't the octopi getting the short end of the stick here?}}
** Explanation provided: the assistant healer had, after the demon that the octopi had been mistakenly worshiping as a god is destroyed, admitted to the whole town that they were wrong to hunt the sentient sea-going cephalopods and eat them. However, she then declared that the town's economy was mostly built on their reputation for delicious octopus-based dishes, and suggested that, rather than having the humans go on hunting and eating octopi, the octopi just start cutting off their tentacles [[Good Thing You Can Heal|(which regenerate)]] and letting the humans have them for meat instead, a suggestion that the octopi agreed with.
** Explanation provided: the assistant healer had, after the demon that the octopi had been mistakenly worshiping as a god is destroyed, admitted to the whole town that they were wrong to hunt the sentient sea-going cephalopods and eat them. However, she then declared that the town's economy was mostly built on their reputation for delicious octopus-based dishes, and suggested that, rather than having the humans go on hunting and eating octopi, the octopi just start cutting off their tentacles [[Good Thing You Can Heal|(which regenerate)]] and letting the humans have them for meat instead, a suggestion that the octopi agreed with.
* Lampshaded heartwrenchingly at the end of the [[Kikaider|Kikaider 01 OVA]] where the android Kikaider "takes the final step to humanity" by becoming capable of performing evil acts despite his conscience. The fact that the story also supposedly parallels [[Pinocchio]] also gives it a sick twist.
* Lampshaded heartwrenchingly at the end of the [[Kikaider|Kikaider 01 OVA]] where the android Kikaider "takes the final step to humanity" by becoming capable of performing evil acts despite his conscience. The fact that the story also supposedly parallels [[Pinocchio]] also gives it a sick twist.
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* [[Transmetropolitan|Spider Jerusalem's]] motto, heck even those characters who can be classified as non-human tend to be assholes.
* [[Transmetropolitan|Spider Jerusalem's]] motto, heck even those characters who can be classified as non-human tend to be assholes.
** On the other hand...
** On the other hand...
{{quote| '''Spider Jerusalem:''' Being a bastard works.}}
{{quote|'''Spider Jerusalem:''' Being a bastard works.}}
* The reason Larfleeze hasn't left Earth after ''[[Blackest Night]]'' is because [[Lex Luthor]] told him that humans are greedier bastards than he could ever hope to match, and that life on Earth is all about owning things. After spending more time on Earth, Larfleeze has come to agree with Luthor...[[Your Approval Fills Me with Shame|and he loves Earth for it.]]
* The reason Larfleeze hasn't left Earth after ''[[Blackest Night]]'' is because [[Lex Luthor]] told him that humans are greedier bastards than he could ever hope to match, and that life on Earth is all about owning things. After spending more time on Earth, Larfleeze has come to agree with Luthor...[[Your Approval Fills Me with Shame|and he loves Earth for it.]]
* In [[Grant Morrison]]'s ''[[Seven Soldiers]]'', it's revealed that [[The Fair Folk|the cruel and vicious Sheeda]], who decimated the [[Utopia|utopian]] civilization of Camelot millions of years in the past and who are the [[Big Bad]] of the series, {{spoiler|are evolved humans from the far, ''far'' future when the sun has turned into a red giant. To sustain their own dying society, they plunder past civilizations.}}
* In [[Grant Morrison]]'s ''[[Seven Soldiers]]'', it's revealed that [[The Fair Folk|the cruel and vicious Sheeda]], who decimated the [[Utopia|utopian]] civilization of Camelot millions of years in the past and who are the [[Big Bad]] of the series, {{spoiler|are evolved humans from the far, ''far'' future when the sun has turned into a red giant. To sustain their own dying society, they plunder past civilizations.}}
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== Film - Live Action ==
== Film - Live Action ==
* The [[Alien]] series, it's usually the humans' attempts to exploit the aliens for profit that set the plot in motion. {{spoiler|In the first film, the [[Mega Corp]] expects a crew member to be impregnated. In the second film, Burke tries to impregnate Ripley with an alien. The third film follows as a result of the second, but Company members arrive and try to cash in on the aliens. In the fourth film, it's the military that is tinkering with alien genes to create weapons.}}
* The [[Alien]] series, it's usually the humans' attempts to exploit the aliens for profit that set the plot in motion. {{spoiler|In the first film, the [[Mega Corp]] expects a crew member to be impregnated. In the second film, Burke tries to impregnate Ripley with an alien. The third film follows as a result of the second, but Company members arrive and try to cash in on the aliens. In the fourth film, it's the military that is tinkering with alien genes to create weapons.}}
{{quote| '''Ripley''': "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage."}}
{{quote|'''Ripley''': "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage."}}
* [[James Cameron]]'s ''[[Avatar (film)|Avatar]]'' is an almost perfect example of this being both played straight ''and'' subverted. The human [[Mega Corp|RDA]] are intruding on Na'vi land and destroy the home of the Omaticaya tribe in order to acquire [[Unobtainium]], and follow a rigid, aggressive schedule for this. On the other hand, the RDA tries to negotiate with the Na'vi, and even when they do attack they try to be "humane" first (i.e. hitting the Na'vi with gas and trying to intimidate them into leaving) and avoid [[Kill Sat|bombing them from orbit]] because they want to minimize local casualties. Then the gloves come off, RDA destroys Hometree, killing hundreds of Na'vi in the process. When the Na'vi assemble an army for war, the RDA tries to destroy the Tree of Souls to break their spirit. Selfridge, the corporate head of the RDA, reacts to destroying said sacred Na'vi site with the same apathy that one would associate to accidentally swatting a fly, though he does appear significantly more disturbed when they take down Hometree. In fact, he and the other officials look downright ''horrified'' at the violence, and {{spoiler|go out gracefully at the end, following the Na'vi victory.}}
* [[James Cameron]]'s ''[[Avatar (film)|Avatar]]'' is an almost perfect example of this being both played straight ''and'' subverted. The human [[Mega Corp|RDA]] are intruding on Na'vi land and destroy the home of the Omaticaya tribe in order to acquire [[Unobtainium]], and follow a rigid, aggressive schedule for this. On the other hand, the RDA tries to negotiate with the Na'vi, and even when they do attack they try to be "humane" first (i.e. hitting the Na'vi with gas and trying to intimidate them into leaving) and avoid [[Kill Sat|bombing them from orbit]] because they want to minimize local casualties. Then the gloves come off, RDA destroys Hometree, killing hundreds of Na'vi in the process. When the Na'vi assemble an army for war, the RDA tries to destroy the Tree of Souls to break their spirit. Selfridge, the corporate head of the RDA, reacts to destroying said sacred Na'vi site with the same apathy that one would associate to accidentally swatting a fly, though he does appear significantly more disturbed when they take down Hometree. In fact, he and the other officials look downright ''horrified'' at the violence, and {{spoiler|go out gracefully at the end, following the Na'vi victory.}}
** This may be a case of humans seeing themselves as the good guys. But when they see the effects of their policies, realize they're [[Heel Realization|not as benign as they thought.]]
** This may be a case of humans seeing themselves as the good guys. But when they see the effects of their policies, realize they're [[Heel Realization|not as benign as they thought.]]
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* In ''[[The Return of Hanuman]]'', most of the divine beings in Swarglok wouldn't dare to reincarnate to Earth because in the modern times Earth is dangerous, with dangerous humans. Despite of that, Hanuman still believes that there are [[Humans Are Good|nice people]] remaining on Earth.
* In ''[[The Return of Hanuman]]'', most of the divine beings in Swarglok wouldn't dare to reincarnate to Earth because in the modern times Earth is dangerous, with dangerous humans. Despite of that, Hanuman still believes that there are [[Humans Are Good|nice people]] remaining on Earth.
* [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] by [[The Muppets|Kermit]] in ''The Muppet Musicians of Bremen'' after he intruduces the four protagonists, the titular animal musicians, and the antgonists, their abusive owners.
* [[Lampshade Hanging|Lampshaded]] by [[The Muppets|Kermit]] in ''The Muppet Musicians of Bremen'' after he intruduces the four protagonists, the titular animal musicians, and the antgonists, their abusive owners.
{{quote| '''Kermit:''' (to the viewers) "You may have noticed that the heroes in our story are all animals, and the villains are all people. I hope none of you takes that personally."}}
{{quote|'''Kermit:''' (to the viewers) "You may have noticed that the heroes in our story are all animals, and the villains are all people. I hope none of you takes that personally."}}
* In [[The Fifth Element]] Leeloo despairs when she learns about the human race's tendency to inflict horrible things onto themselves (specifically World War 2) to the point of her seeing no point in helping them escape destruction, but then decides otherwise when Corben professes his love for her.
* In [[The Fifth Element]] Leeloo despairs when she learns about the human race's tendency to inflict horrible things onto themselves (specifically World War 2) to the point of her seeing no point in helping them escape destruction, but then decides otherwise when Corben professes his love for her.


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** Collectively, humans in Discworld exhibit traits from the whole spectrum, being bastards included, and it seems that it's all pertaining to a theme of [[Humans Are Special]].
** Collectively, humans in Discworld exhibit traits from the whole spectrum, being bastards included, and it seems that it's all pertaining to a theme of [[Humans Are Special]].
** Played closest to straight in ''[[Discworld/The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents|The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents]]'', especially when Keith {{spoiler|pretends to}} feed the ratcatchers rat poison.
** Played closest to straight in ''[[Discworld/The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents|The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents]]'', especially when Keith {{spoiler|pretends to}} feed the ratcatchers rat poison.
{{quote| '''Ratcatcher''': This is inhuman!<br />
{{quote|'''Ratcatcher''': This is inhuman!
'''Keith''': No, it's ''very'' human. It's extremely human. There isn't a beast in the world who'd do it to another living thing, but your poisons do it every day.<br />
'''Keith''': No, it's ''very'' human. It's extremely human. There isn't a beast in the world who'd do it to another living thing, but your poisons do it every day.
Even here, rats are perplexed by the idea that you shouldn't eat a dead rat. Well, except for the green wobbly bit; [[Comically Missing the Point|obviously you shouldn't eat that]]. }}
Even here, rats are perplexed by the idea that you shouldn't eat a dead rat. Well, except for the green wobbly bit; [[Comically Missing the Point|obviously you shouldn't eat that]]. }}
* In ''[[Good Omens]]'', the demon Crowley contemplates telling his superiors that they might as well shut Hell down and move to Earth, since humans are far more creatively evil than demons could ever be. He then decides against it since they often turn around and be stunningly good in the next moment. Often with the same people involved. He fully admits that their behavior confuses him.
* In ''[[Good Omens]]'', the demon Crowley contemplates telling his superiors that they might as well shut Hell down and move to Earth, since humans are far more creatively evil than demons could ever be. He then decides against it since they often turn around and be stunningly good in the next moment. Often with the same people involved. He fully admits that their behavior confuses him.
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* Robert Zubrin's ''The Holy Land''. Earthlings and non-Earthlings disagree on who are the 'humans', but this trope applies to either and both of them regardless.
* Robert Zubrin's ''The Holy Land''. Earthlings and non-Earthlings disagree on who are the 'humans', but this trope applies to either and both of them regardless.
* In ''[[Stationery Voyagers]]'', the heroes are promised to be treated as diplomats should be. Except since the nations on Mantith have not had contact for centuries with the Stationery worlds, there are no embassies. So the nations' leaders have no sense of obligation to regard Stato, Britophondus, and Verinthia as legitimate nations. The Voyagers are left to their own devices often to avoid being kidnapped, arrested, or outright murdered by politically-polarized mobs.
* In ''[[Stationery Voyagers]]'', the heroes are promised to be treated as diplomats should be. Except since the nations on Mantith have not had contact for centuries with the Stationery worlds, there are no embassies. So the nations' leaders have no sense of obligation to regard Stato, Britophondus, and Verinthia as legitimate nations. The Voyagers are left to their own devices often to avoid being kidnapped, arrested, or outright murdered by politically-polarized mobs.
{{quote| '''Pextel''': "We have a sacred mission here, and a profane force at work. We must not be distracted by our lousy hosts."<br />
{{quote|'''Pextel''': "We have a sacred mission here, and a profane force at work. We must not be distracted by our lousy hosts."
'''Viola''': "Yeah...well our hosts ''[[You Monster!|suck]]''! And you can tell 'em I said so!" }}
'''Viola''': "Yeah...well our hosts ''[[You Monster!|suck]]''! And you can tell 'em I said so!" }}
* In the [[David Weber]] authored ''[[Bolo]]'' books there is direct neural interfacing between Bolo commanders and the later model Bolos [[Tank Goodness|(Battleship size self-aware tank)]]. A Bolo has a warrior personality but nobody had realised how much the safeguards had inhibited its ferocity until they saw the first Bolo-Human mental fusion go into battle. Humans have no inhibitory safeguards.
* In the [[David Weber]] authored ''[[Bolo]]'' books there is direct neural interfacing between Bolo commanders and the later model Bolos [[Tank Goodness|(Battleship size self-aware tank)]]. A Bolo has a warrior personality but nobody had realised how much the safeguards had inhibited its ferocity until they saw the first Bolo-Human mental fusion go into battle. Humans have no inhibitory safeguards.
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** This does qualify [[Aliens Are Bastards|the aliens as bastards]], though (if we're the same as them, they're obviously the same as us).
** This does qualify [[Aliens Are Bastards|the aliens as bastards]], though (if we're the same as them, they're obviously the same as us).
* In ''Run to the Stars'', by Michael Scott Rohan, we get the following exchange, after Kirsty and Ryly discover that the world government has sent a missile to wipe out a just-discovered alien species:
* In ''Run to the Stars'', by Michael Scott Rohan, we get the following exchange, after Kirsty and Ryly discover that the world government has sent a missile to wipe out a just-discovered alien species:
{{quote| '''Kirsty''': "There must be millions of inhabited worlds out there, whatever the experts spout. Some like us, some not. Sooner or later one of them's bound to track back our communications overspill and find us. What then? Under the bed? If that missile hits the target, we'll have tae hide. Shrink back into our own wee system, never make a noise, never stir outside it. What if any other race ever found out what we'd done? Then we'd never be safe. They'd never trust us. Not for an instant. There's bound to be some of them who think like you, Ryly. We'd be giving them grand evidence, wouldn't we? They'd wipe us out like plague germs and feel good about it!"<br />
{{quote|'''Kirsty''': "There must be millions of inhabited worlds out there, whatever the experts spout. Some like us, some not. Sooner or later one of them's bound to track back our communications overspill and find us. What then? Under the bed? If that missile hits the target, we'll have tae hide. Shrink back into our own wee system, never make a noise, never stir outside it. What if any other race ever found out what we'd done? Then we'd never be safe. They'd never trust us. Not for an instant. There's bound to be some of them who think like you, Ryly. We'd be giving them grand evidence, wouldn't we? They'd wipe us out like plague germs and feel good about it!"
'''Ryly''': "Unless... Unless we got them first. At once, on first contact. A pre-emptive strike, before they could possibly have a chance to find out about us. Hellfire, isn't that a glorious future history for us! A race of paranoid killers, skulking in our own backwater system when we might have had the stars! Clamping down on exploration, communications, anything that might lead someone else to us and make us stain our hands again with the same old crime... Carrying that weight down the generations. What would that make of us?"<br />
'''Ryly''': "Unless... Unless we got them first. At once, on first contact. A pre-emptive strike, before they could possibly have a chance to find out about us. Hellfire, isn't that a glorious future history for us! A race of paranoid killers, skulking in our own backwater system when we might have had the stars! Clamping down on exploration, communications, anything that might lead someone else to us and make us stain our hands again with the same old crime... Carrying that weight down the generations. What would that make of us?"
'''Kirsty''': "Predators. Carrion-eaters - no, worse, ghouls, vampires, killing just tae carry on our own worthless shadow-lives." }}
'''Kirsty''': "Predators. Carrion-eaters - no, worse, ghouls, vampires, killing just tae carry on our own worthless shadow-lives." }}
* [[Alan Dean Foster]] moderates this in his trilogy ''The Damned''. Humans appeared in a world where all life would be impossible by the standards of most aliens, and we went through some unpleasant evolutionary contortions to survive, but if we last much longer without outside interference, we'll achieve peace. Unfortunately, outside interference is coming -- and by book 3, after a thousand years as [[Cannon Fodder]] in an interstellar war, the humans are less "human" psychologically than the aliens are.
* [[Alan Dean Foster]] moderates this in his trilogy ''The Damned''. Humans appeared in a world where all life would be impossible by the standards of most aliens, and we went through some unpleasant evolutionary contortions to survive, but if we last much longer without outside interference, we'll achieve peace. Unfortunately, outside interference is coming -- and by book 3, after a thousand years as [[Cannon Fodder]] in an interstellar war, the humans are less "human" psychologically than the aliens are.
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* [[Ursula K. Le Guin]]'s novella ''The Word for World is Forest'' features humans descending upon the forested planet of Athshe, harvesting the valuable lumber and terrorizing and enslaving the native inhabitants.
* [[Ursula K. Le Guin]]'s novella ''The Word for World is Forest'' features humans descending upon the forested planet of Athshe, harvesting the valuable lumber and terrorizing and enslaving the native inhabitants.
* Tarrou, of ''[[The Plague (novel)|The Plague]]'', holds the worldview that evil is inherent and natural in humans:
* Tarrou, of ''[[The Plague (novel)|The Plague]]'', holds the worldview that evil is inherent and natural in humans:
{{quote| ''I know positively–-yes, Rieux, I can say I know the world inside out, as you may see-–that each of us has the plague within him; no one, no one on earth is free from it. And I know, too, that we must keep endless watch on ourselves lest in a careless moment we breathe in somebody’s face and fasten the infection on him. What’s natural is the microbe. All the rest-–health, integrity, purity (if you like)-–is a product of the human will, of a vigilance that must never falter. The good man, the man who infects hardly anyone, is the man who has the fewest lapses of attention.''}}
{{quote|''I know positively–-yes, Rieux, I can say I know the world inside out, as you may see-–that each of us has the plague within him; no one, no one on earth is free from it. And I know, too, that we must keep endless watch on ourselves lest in a careless moment we breathe in somebody’s face and fasten the infection on him. What’s natural is the microbe. All the rest-–health, integrity, purity (if you like)-–is a product of the human will, of a vigilance that must never falter. The good man, the man who infects hardly anyone, is the man who has the fewest lapses of attention.''}}
* In ''[[Honor Harrington]]'' the Planet of Sphinx is a subversion where humans come to a planet inhabited by [[Noble Savage]] creatures called treecats and instead of tearing the planet up, they go to lengths to keep it clear of development, and form friendships with them. One of them bonds with the title character who of course is an exponent of [[Humans Are Warriors|another trope about humans]].
* In ''[[Honor Harrington]]'' the Planet of Sphinx is a subversion where humans come to a planet inhabited by [[Noble Savage]] creatures called treecats and instead of tearing the planet up, they go to lengths to keep it clear of development, and form friendships with them. One of them bonds with the title character who of course is an exponent of [[Humans Are Warriors|another trope about humans]].
* A rare occasion when this trope is played in positive (kind of) light occurs in a short sci-fi story "Cage" by B. Chandler. A group of astronauts are marooned on a distant planet and then captured by aliens. Humans are treated well but are not recognised as sentient beings. The obvious solutions, like making right triangles out of twigs, fail to impress the aliens. However, later humans discover some small vermin scurrying around their cage and decide to capture it and keep it as a pet. The succeed, and right afterwards the aliens let them go with apologies. What can better serve as an evidence of intelligence than an ability and readiness to put other beings in cages?
* A rare occasion when this trope is played in positive (kind of) light occurs in a short sci-fi story "Cage" by B. Chandler. A group of astronauts are marooned on a distant planet and then captured by aliens. Humans are treated well but are not recognised as sentient beings. The obvious solutions, like making right triangles out of twigs, fail to impress the aliens. However, later humans discover some small vermin scurrying around their cage and decide to capture it and keep it as a pet. The succeed, and right afterwards the aliens let them go with apologies. What can better serve as an evidence of intelligence than an ability and readiness to put other beings in cages?
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* As a whole, ''[[Star Trek]]'' - especially ''[[Star Trek: The Next Generation|the Next Generation]]'' - posits a world in which humans ''were'' bastards, and rarely loses the opportunity to lecture their 20th-century viewers on how far we still have to go. Good news, though; we get better. In fact, we're even sorta charming, especially to advanced races who gauge others for 'potential'.
* As a whole, ''[[Star Trek]]'' - especially ''[[Star Trek: The Next Generation|the Next Generation]]'' - posits a world in which humans ''were'' bastards, and rarely loses the opportunity to lecture their 20th-century viewers on how far we still have to go. Good news, though; we get better. In fact, we're even sorta charming, especially to advanced races who gauge others for 'potential'.
** Even so, in one episode of ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', Quark the Ferengi lectures Commander Sisko about how ''his'' species never practiced slavery or genocide (particularly [[Anvilicious]] as it's already established that Ferengi not only did keep slaves but ''still do'' (sort of) - anyone who goes into debt they can't repay is legally enslaved to their debtor. This also ignores the extreme sexism his race continues to practice). He also tells Nog in "The Siege of AR-558":
** Even so, in one episode of ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', Quark the Ferengi lectures Commander Sisko about how ''his'' species never practiced slavery or genocide (particularly [[Anvilicious]] as it's already established that Ferengi not only did keep slaves but ''still do'' (sort of) - anyone who goes into debt they can't repay is legally enslaved to their debtor. This also ignores the extreme sexism his race continues to practice). He also tells Nog in "The Siege of AR-558":
{{quote| "Let me tell you something about Humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces, look at their eyes..."}}
{{quote|"Let me tell you something about Humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces, look at their eyes..."}}
** The Vulcans are a more extreme example of former bastards. They often act condescending to other species, but the subtext is often that they realize that since they were bastards, other species can benefit from logic as well, and often get shirty when they don't. A young Tuvok from Voyager was once shown complaining about humanity always expecting other species to be like them, apparently not recognizing a classic ''Vulcan'' move when he sees one.
** The Vulcans are a more extreme example of former bastards. They often act condescending to other species, but the subtext is often that they realize that since they were bastards, other species can benefit from logic as well, and often get shirty when they don't. A young Tuvok from Voyager was once shown complaining about humanity always expecting other species to be like them, apparently not recognizing a classic ''Vulcan'' move when he sees one.
** The jabs at humans that [[The Spock|Spock]] and other [[Straw Vulcan|Vulcans]] like to make via examples from human ''history'', however, go uncalled-out, even though all indications are that Vulcans were just as bad in their own early history. Spock himself admitted that Vulcan, like Earth, had its warring colonizing period that was considered brutal even by our standards, and that some Vulcans {{spoiler|(you might know them as Romulans)}} still hold to their warlike roots.
** The jabs at humans that [[The Spock|Spock]] and other [[Straw Vulcan|Vulcans]] like to make via examples from human ''history'', however, go uncalled-out, even though all indications are that Vulcans were just as bad in their own early history. Spock himself admitted that Vulcan, like Earth, had its warring colonizing period that was considered brutal even by our standards, and that some Vulcans {{spoiler|(you might know them as Romulans)}} still hold to their warlike roots.
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** {{spoiler|And then promptly subverted at the end when the hunters reveal they were trying to bag ''construction equipment''.}}
** {{spoiler|And then promptly subverted at the end when the hunters reveal they were trying to bag ''construction equipment''.}}
* ''[[Doctor Who]]'', particularly the revival series, sways between [[Humans Are the Real Monsters]], [[Humans Are Idiots]], Humans Are Misguided But Well-Meaning, and even on occasion Humans Are Absolutely Frickin' Awesome, sometimes within the same episode. Which is probably as close to reality as you can get really, since humans generally show capacity for all of these things, depending on all kinds of factors.
* ''[[Doctor Who]]'', particularly the revival series, sways between [[Humans Are the Real Monsters]], [[Humans Are Idiots]], Humans Are Misguided But Well-Meaning, and even on occasion Humans Are Absolutely Frickin' Awesome, sometimes within the same episode. Which is probably as close to reality as you can get really, since humans generally show capacity for all of these things, depending on all kinds of factors.
{{quote| '''The Doctor:''' [[Humans Are Morons|Humans have got such limited little minds]]. I don't know why I like you so much.<br />
{{quote|'''The Doctor:''' [[Humans Are Morons|Humans have got such limited little minds]]. I don't know why I like you so much.<br />
'''Sarah Jane Smith:''' Because you have such good taste.<br />
'''Sarah Jane Smith:''' Because you have such good taste.<br />
'''The Doctor:''' That's true. That's very true. }}
'''The Doctor:''' That's true. That's very true. }}
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** And now it looks like Castiel has caught the crazy everybody else had.
** And now it looks like Castiel has caught the crazy everybody else had.
* ''[[Lost]]'' seems to be going this route with the overriding conflict between {{spoiler|Jacob}} and the Man in Black/{{spoiler|Smoke Monster}}:
* ''[[Lost]]'' seems to be going this route with the overriding conflict between {{spoiler|Jacob}} and the Man in Black/{{spoiler|Smoke Monster}}:
{{quote| '''MIB:''' They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.<br />
{{quote|'''MIB:''' They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
{{spoiler|Jacob}}: It only ends once. Everything that happens before that...is just progress. }}
{{spoiler|Jacob}}: It only ends once. Everything that happens before that...is just progress. }}
* Subverted in an episode of the 80's ''[[Twilight Zone]]'' revival, when aliens arrive on Earth and announce that they seeded the planet with humans ages ago, but now {{spoiler|they are destroying us because they were attempting to breed warriors, and we aren't ''big enough'' bastards}}.
* Subverted in an episode of the 80's ''[[Twilight Zone]]'' revival, when aliens arrive on Earth and announce that they seeded the planet with humans ages ago, but now {{spoiler|they are destroying us because they were attempting to breed warriors, and we aren't ''big enough'' bastards}}.
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** In another episode, Harper wonders aloud if Castalians (a genetically-engineered human variant that breathe water) eat fish or if it would be like humans eating monkeys, and Captain Dylan Hunt points out that humans ''have'' eaten monkeys, [[I Am a Humanitarian|and other humans]].
** In another episode, Harper wonders aloud if Castalians (a genetically-engineered human variant that breathe water) eat fish or if it would be like humans eating monkeys, and Captain Dylan Hunt points out that humans ''have'' eaten monkeys, [[I Am a Humanitarian|and other humans]].
* HG Wells in Warehouse 13 comes to this conclusion after her 8 year old daughter was murdered.
* HG Wells in Warehouse 13 comes to this conclusion after her 8 year old daughter was murdered.
{{quote| '''HG''' Open your eyes Myka have you seen the world in which you live? The divide between rich and poor! Hunger and famine! War and violence and hatred all flourishing beyond control! Indeed, men have found new ways to kill each other that were inconceivable in my day, even by fiction writers!}}
{{quote|'''HG''' Open your eyes Myka have you seen the world in which you live? The divide between rich and poor! Hunger and famine! War and violence and hatred all flourishing beyond control! Indeed, men have found new ways to kill each other that were inconceivable in my day, even by fiction writers!}}




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* The music video for [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI Do the Evolution] showcases humanity's evil actions throughout history, though it also implies that life on Earth in general has always been naturally savage and brutal.
* The music video for [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI Do the Evolution] showcases humanity's evil actions throughout history, though it also implies that life on Earth in general has always been naturally savage and brutal.
* Parodied in ''Robots'' by [[Flight of the Conchords]]. Robots have annihilated all humans for this trope, but one of the lieutenants notes that they did the same thing as them by killing them.
* Parodied in ''Robots'' by [[Flight of the Conchords]]. Robots have annihilated all humans for this trope, but one of the lieutenants notes that they did the same thing as them by killing them.
{{quote| Captain, do you not see the irony, by destroying the humans because of their destructive capabilities, we have become like... do you see... see what we've done?<br />
{{quote|Captain, do you not see the irony, by destroying the humans because of their destructive capabilities, we have become like... do you see... see what we've done?
Yes.<br />
Yes.
...So?<br />
...So?
'''SILENCE! DESTROY HIM!''' }}
'''SILENCE! DESTROY HIM!''' }}
** [[Disproportionate Retribution|"After time we grew strong, they gave us cognitive powers/ They made us work far too long at unreasonable hours!"]]
** [[Disproportionate Retribution|"After time we grew strong, they gave us cognitive powers/ They made us work far too long at unreasonable hours!"]]
* One of the major themes of [[The Protomen]]'s CDs, especially the first one.
* One of the major themes of [[The Protomen]]'s CDs, especially the first one.
* Ayreon does this to great effect in ''Unnatural Selection'' from ''01011001''.
* Ayreon does this to great effect in ''Unnatural Selection'' from ''01011001''.
{{quote| ''We gave them feelings, what did they sense?''<br />
{{quote|''We gave them feelings, what did they sense?''
''Shout at the world in their defense.''<br />
''Shout at the world in their defense.''
''We gave them science what did they do?''<br />
''We gave them science what did they do?''
''They built a bomb and they used it too!''<br />
''They built a bomb and they used it too!''
''We gave them wisdom, what did they learn?''<br />
''We gave them wisdom, what did they learn?''
''Wore out the planet and made it burn!''<br />
''Wore out the planet and made it burn!''
''We gave them armor, what did they make?''<br />
''We gave them armor, what did they make?''
''Nuclear weapons for their own sake!''<br />
''Nuclear weapons for their own sake!''
''We gave them insight, what did they see?''<br />
''We gave them insight, what did they see?''
''Vanquish the noble, enslave the free!''<br />
''Vanquish the noble, enslave the free!''
''We gave them wisdom, what did they seek?''<br />
''We gave them wisdom, what did they seek?''
''Destroying all that's within their reach!''<br />
''Destroying all that's within their reach!''
''We gave them language, what did they say?''<br />
''We gave them language, what did they say?''
''They put the planet in disarray!''<br />
''They put the planet in disarray!''
''We gave them dreams!''<br />
''We gave them dreams!''
''And what did they dream?!''<br />
''And what did they dream?!''
* [[wikipedia:Man Is the Bastard|Man Is the Bastard]]. That is all. }}
* [[wikipedia:Man Is the Bastard|Man Is the Bastard]]. That is all. }}
* [[Devo]], ''Beautiful World''. Especially the video. Actually, most of the band's work tends to involve this trope in one form or another.
* [[Devo]], ''Beautiful World''. Especially the video. Actually, most of the band's work tends to involve this trope in one form or another.
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* Although it's not directly stated, and [[Moral Guardians|not that the media cared]], but ''[[The Rolling Stones|Sympathy for the Devil]]'' strongly suggests that the Devil in question is humanity itself.
* Although it's not directly stated, and [[Moral Guardians|not that the media cared]], but ''[[The Rolling Stones|Sympathy for the Devil]]'' strongly suggests that the Devil in question is humanity itself.
* The ''Ego Likeness'' song "Song for Samael" certainly seems to imply this:
* The ''Ego Likeness'' song "Song for Samael" certainly seems to imply this:
{{quote| ''And man is just a child''<br />
{{quote|''And man is just a child''
''Defective and diseased''<br />
''Defective and diseased''
''And I grow so fearful for their kin''<br />
''And I grow so fearful for their kin''
''As I watch the sickness breed''<br />
''As I watch the sickness breed''
''Some will find them worthy of salvation''<br />
''Some will find them worthy of salvation''
''But to what end?''<br />
''But to what end?''
''I've seen a man rape his only child''<br />
''I've seen a man rape his only child''
''And murdered one who he called a friend''<br />
''And murdered one who he called a friend''

<br />

''Samael''<br />
''Samael''
''Meet me at the Red Sea''<br />
''Meet me at the Red Sea''
''Samael''<br />
''Samael''
''Meet me at the Red Sea''<br />
''Meet me at the Red Sea''
''There are too many thieves in the kingdom''<br />
''I will give you the key''<br />
''There are too many thieves in the kingdom''
''I will give you the key''
''Will you take care of this for me?'' }}
''Will you take care of this for me?'' }}
* [[Arch Enemy]]'s "Beast Of Man" uses the page quote in its lyrics.
* [[Arch Enemy]]'s "Beast Of Man" uses the page quote in its lyrics.
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== [[Newspaper Comics]] ==
== [[Newspaper Comics]] ==
* ''[[9 Chickweed Lane]]'': Monty, who is either [[God Is Evil]] or just [[A God Am I|a very eccentric human]], has decided that [[Humans Are the Real Monsters|he's disappointed with humans]] and (after contemplating wiping us out with [[The Virus|a nice little plague]]) wants to improve this by evolving humans into [[Body Horror|cockroaches]].
* ''[[9 Chickweed Lane]]'': Monty, who is either [[God Is Evil]] or just [[A God Am I|a very eccentric human]], has decided that [[Humans Are the Real Monsters|he's disappointed with humans]] and (after contemplating wiping us out with [[The Virus|a nice little plague]]) wants to improve this by evolving humans into [[Body Horror|cockroaches]].
{{quote| '''[[Cloudcuckoolander|Thorax]]''': When you say you're going to rethink your creation of humanity, in what respect are you going to do so?<br />
{{quote|'''[[Cloudcuckoolander|Thorax]]''': When you say you're going to rethink your creation of humanity, in what respect are you going to do so?<br />
'''Monty''': Only in the respects that command their waking thoughts and actions. Their [[Seven Deadly Sins|covetousness and lust]]; their [[Race Tropes|intolerance]], [[Dirty Coward|cowardice]], [[Cold-Blooded Torture|hatred]] and [[For the Evulz|cruelty]]; their [[Corrupt Church|sanctimony]], [[Truth and Lies|mendacity]] and [[Criminals|thievery]]; and [[Reality TV|their intense, feckless voyeuristic love of mediocrity]].... At least for starters.<br />
'''Monty''': Only in the respects that command their waking thoughts and actions. Their [[Seven Deadly Sins|covetousness and lust]]; their [[Race Tropes|intolerance]], [[Dirty Coward|cowardice]], [[Cold-Blooded Torture|hatred]] and [[For the Evulz|cruelty]]; their [[Corrupt Church|sanctimony]], [[Truth and Lies|mendacity]] and [[Criminals|thievery]]; and [[Reality TV|their intense, feckless voyeuristic love of mediocrity]].... At least for starters.<br />
'''Thorax:''' That may be an extreme way to portray them.-->'''Monty:''' [[You Suck|It's the only way they portray themselves.]] Read a newspaper.<br />
'''Thorax:''' That may be an extreme way to portray them.-->'''Monty:''' [[You Suck|It's the only way they portray themselves.]] Read a newspaper.<br />
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== Theatre ==
== Theatre ==
* [[William Shakespeare]], ''[[Richard III]]'':
* [[William Shakespeare]], ''[[Richard III]]'':
{{quote| No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.}}
{{quote|No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, therefore am no beast.}}
* A classic example from the Threepenny Opera: "What keeps mankind alive? The fact that millions are daily tortured, stifled, punished, silenced and oppressed. Mankind can keep alive thanks to its brilliance, in keeping its humanity repressed. And for once you must try not to shriek the facts: mankind is kept alive by bestial acts."
* A classic example from the Threepenny Opera: "What keeps mankind alive? The fact that millions are daily tortured, stifled, punished, silenced and oppressed. Mankind can keep alive thanks to its brilliance, in keeping its humanity repressed. And for once you must try not to shriek the facts: mankind is kept alive by bestial acts."


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* The [[Lucas Arts]] adventure game ''The Dig'' [[Lampshade Hanging|hung a lampshade]] on this issue, when one of the characters tentatively points out to a friendly alien that not all humans are as [[Rousseau Was Right|nice]] as they are. Said alien cheerily replied that that's okay since all relatively young species are like that, and anyone who wants to pick a fight will just be [[Sufficiently Advanced Alien|squashed like bugs]].
* The [[Lucas Arts]] adventure game ''The Dig'' [[Lampshade Hanging|hung a lampshade]] on this issue, when one of the characters tentatively points out to a friendly alien that not all humans are as [[Rousseau Was Right|nice]] as they are. Said alien cheerily replied that that's okay since all relatively young species are like that, and anyone who wants to pick a fight will just be [[Sufficiently Advanced Alien|squashed like bugs]].
* Dracula from ''[[Castlevania]]'' likes to toss out this accusation to whatever Belmont he's fighting, usually starting by mentioning that the only reason he's up and about is that some human woke him again. But the Belmonts are generally full of righteous fury and in no mood for discussing the idea, so not much comes of it.
* Dracula from ''[[Castlevania]]'' likes to toss out this accusation to whatever Belmont he's fighting, usually starting by mentioning that the only reason he's up and about is that some human woke him again. But the Belmonts are generally full of righteous fury and in no mood for discussing the idea, so not much comes of it.
{{quote| ''What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!''}}
{{quote|''What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!''}}
** In some games it's explicitly stated that Dracula's continuous resurrections are not just because of individual Dracula-cultists resurrecting him, but that human malice and greed in itself allows him to continuously come back even when it isn't his will to do so. This may be more [[As Long as There Is Evil]] rather than an endemic thing, however.
** In some games it's explicitly stated that Dracula's continuous resurrections are not just because of individual Dracula-cultists resurrecting him, but that human malice and greed in itself allows him to continuously come back even when it isn't his will to do so. This may be more [[As Long as There Is Evil]] rather than an endemic thing, however.
** He is also guilty of stimulating the trope. Consider the purpose of the titular ''Dracula's Curse''/''Curse of Darkness''. Death's backstory in ''Judgment'' outright states that he is "sowing wickedness" in human hearts to help bring Dracula back.
** He is also guilty of stimulating the trope. Consider the purpose of the titular ''Dracula's Curse''/''Curse of Darkness''. Death's backstory in ''Judgment'' outright states that he is "sowing wickedness" in human hearts to help bring Dracula back.
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* Whenever [[The Nostalgia Critic]] runs into this trope in a film (almost always with a helping of [[Green Aesop]]), the review cuts to a newsreel-style condemnation of man's evil, complete with clips from the movie and an old-timey voiceover. It's finally subverted in the previously mentioned ''[[Once Upon a Forest]]'', where the voiceover finally gets sick of the trope, announces most humans are alright, and showcases how much more dangerous ''animals'' are.
* Whenever [[The Nostalgia Critic]] runs into this trope in a film (almost always with a helping of [[Green Aesop]]), the review cuts to a newsreel-style condemnation of man's evil, complete with clips from the movie and an old-timey voiceover. It's finally subverted in the previously mentioned ''[[Once Upon a Forest]]'', where the voiceover finally gets sick of the trope, announces most humans are alright, and showcases how much more dangerous ''animals'' are.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZtJdaN_l4 If Balloons Could Talk], then apparently humans would do all sorts of things that hurt and terrorize them just for the sick pleasure of hearing them cry out in horror and agony.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZtJdaN_l4 If Balloons Could Talk], then apparently humans would do all sorts of things that hurt and terrorize them just for the sick pleasure of hearing them cry out in horror and agony.
{{quote| ''A pair of human hands hooks a balloon up to wires that conduct electricity''<br />
{{quote|''A pair of human hands hooks a balloon up to wires that conduct electricity''
'''Balloon''': [[Lampshade Hanging|You'd never bother to do this till I could scream back!]]<br />
'''Balloon''': [[Lampshade Hanging|You'd never bother to do this till I could scream back!]]<br />
''The hands insert the plug into the outlet and the balloon cries out in pain'' }}
''The hands insert the plug into the outlet and the balloon cries out in pain'' }}