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In order for a parody to work, a work of fiction needs to also take on many of the traits of its target. For example, a parody of action films will, inevitably, have to have some action sequences of its own. If it didn't, it wouldn't be so much of a parody as it would be a public mocking of the genre. A parody of [[Magical Girl|Magical Girls]]s would be required to have at least one Magical Girl character or else it would just be mocking the character type. Most of the best parodies actually stand not only as comedy, but also as the particular genre they are a creation of.
 
However, the line for what defines a parody can often get murky. Besides [[Parody Retcon|flat out labeling something as a parody]] (which is rarely a good sign due to the lack of subtlety involved), the criteria for what defines a parody changes from person to person. Some works of fiction straddle the line, unsure of whether it's a parody or just a quirky entry in the genre it's supposed to be a parody of. This can often lead to [[Misaimed Fandom]] when people [[Poe's Law|take a parody dead seriously]] (or, perhaps due to the [[Weird Al Effect]], are unaware that it even is a parody).
 
How this happens can vary widely. Perhaps it is just too [[Affectionate Parody|affectionate]] of the genre it's a parody of. Perhaps it doesn't go far enough. Perhaps it's just too [[Truth in Television|close to its target]]. Perhaps it was actually meant to be serious, but took on too many comedic traits. But often, this happens because the writer(s) just couldn't decide what they wanted to do. In any case, an [['''Indecisive Parody]]''' is when something is confusing about its intent.
 
See [[Stealth Parody]] for when something very intentionally evokes this to try and get responses as such. And compare [[Indecisive Deconstruction]].
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== Anime &and Manga ==
* ''[[Black Lagoon]]''. it's hard to tell, at times, whether it's an over-the-top parody of the Hollywood action film genre or a straight example with a tendency to occasionally take [[Refuge in Audacity]]. The series seems to swing a bit back and forth depending on the arc in question.
* ''[[Busou Renkin]]'' is also somewhere in between, but often seems closer to a very self-aware [[Shounen]] entry, especially in the second part when the [[Cerebus Syndrome]] sneaks in.
* ''[[DragonballDragon Ball]]''. People forget that it was originally a parody of earlier martial arts manga, and for good reason considering that once it became ''[[Dragonball Z]]'', it got so cliched that [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny|it actually became the basis for every cliché in martial arts manga since.]] (It's easier to come to terms with this fact once you accept both shows as being two entirely unrelated works.)
* ''[[Love Hina]]'' starts mocking the harem genre hard, inserting audience surrogate Keitaro in a female dorm inhabitated by character prototypes from diverse dating games, in an onsen (making every early episode an onsen episode). It goes so far into comedy land that one wonders if the romantic plot will ever resolve or is it going to go for a [[Tenchi Solution]]. But when it wants to get serious it gets serious.
** Like ''DBZ'', ''Love Hina'' essentially became so earnest in the tropes it was trying to parody that it became the basis for stereotypes about [[Harem Anime]] (and kicked off a ton of [[Follow the Leader]] series that only enhanced this perception).
* ''[[Martian Successor Nadesico]]'' is this for [[Humongous Mecha]] shows. For every over-the-top [[Unwanted Harem]] scene or bizarre character or situation, there's also [[Mood Whiplash|real, serious drama]] (often when those over-the-top characters get killed). Even the [[Show Within a Show]] ''[[Gekiganger 3]]'' goes from a silly [[Homage]] of [[Super Robot]] shows to a real problem in the show's universe. It's bad enough that the protagonist explicitly states the [[An Aesop|Aesop]] in the final episode just to be sure everyone's on the same page: [[MST3K Mantra|stop taking anime so goddamn seriously]].
* ''[[Ouran High School Host Club]]'' parodies romance anime but has strong romantic storylines as well.
* ''[[Sailor Moon (Manga)|Sailor Moon]]'' went from being a parody of the [[Magical Girl]] genre to the defining example of the Magical Girl genre. Some of the early episodes are notably more comedic in tone. The later ones? [[Cerebus Syndrome|Not so much.]]
* ''[[Super Dimension Fortress Macross]]'' It's said that this happened here, but that the parody elements didn't last much beyond the first few episodes, then it became a partial deconstruction and partial homage of the genre.
** A [[Real Robot|genre]] that was [[Mobile Suit Gundam|practically brand-new]], in fact.
* ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Anime)|Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' is an arguable example; it could be interpreted as an [[Affectionate Parody]] of the [[Super Robot]] genre just because it's so gosh darn over-the-top, but the trouble is most [[Super Robot]] anime are already so over-the-top it ends up being seen mainly as... a [[Super Robot]] anime.
** The beginning of it feels like [[Affectionate Parody]]. It loses pretty much all semblance of parody after the [[Time Skip]]. The base is broken over which period is the best.
** It's just as likely that it was meant as a [[Reconstruction]] of what ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' [[Deconstructed]].
 
 
== Films -- Animation ==
* ''[[Allegro Non Troppo (Animation)|Allegro Non Troppo]]'' seems to be imitating ''[[Fantasia (Disney)|Fantasia]]'' about as much as parodying it.
* ''[[Kung Fu Panda (Animation)|Kung Fu Panda]]''. The action scenes are breathtaking one minute, and downright silly the next.
 
 
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* ''[[Army of Darkness]]'', as below.
* ''[[Big Trouble in Little China]]'' can easily be seen as a straight action movie, rather than the parody it's intended to be, especially if one isn't familiar with the [[Wuxia]] tropes it mocks throughout. To be honest, it's not much more over-the-top than many straightforward action flicks.
* ''[[Condorman]]'' is an extraordinarily [[Camp|campycamp]]y Disney live-action spy flick, but it's so absurd and occasionally self-aware at times that it's hard not to see parody.
* ''[[Enchanted]]'' has elements of both, thus this trope. While it mocks a lot of the tropes of fairy tales and shows how ridiculous they would be in real life, it also has a happy fairy-tale ending and suggests that life would be better if people did live more by fairy tale ideals of kindness and trust. The only way that a relationship between Giselle and Robert can work is for her to become less of a fairy-tale true-believer (and give up the perfect prince) and him to become more of one (allow himself to love someone again).
* ''[[Feast]]'' , a survival horror film starts as an obvious parody of such films, wherein the characters are simply named after their archetypes. However, despite the occasional sex joke, it creates some truly frightening monsters and horrific death scenes. By the end of the movie, no-one's laughing.
* ''[[Friday the 13th (Filmfilm)|Friday the 13 th]] Part VI: Jason Lives'' was part self-parody, part serious slasher.
* The ''[[Get Smart (Filmfilm)|Get Smart]]'' remake movie was criticised by some reviewers for attempting to both parody spy action movies whilst at the same time attempting to be a straight spy action movie. The original was like this as well, though not quite as blatant about it.
** That happens to most spy movies aimed at children and teenagers. ''Spy Kids'', ''Agent Cody Banks'', ''Stormbreaker'', ''Los Superagentes'' and even ''Cats and Dogs'' suffered from it.
* ''[[The Golden Child]]'' can't seem to decide if it's an [[Affectionate Parody]] of [[The Chosen One]] or a straight use -- anduse—and incidentally also stars Daniel Wong as a [[Trickster Mentor]].
** Interesting case, the movie originally was going to be a straight action movie staring Mel Gibson, then the part was recast as Eddie Murphy so they took out a lot of the dialogue and [[Harpo Does Something Funny|just let Murphy improvise stuff]].
* Seth Rogen's version of ''[[The Green Hornet]]'' seems a parody of the comic book heroes that the Green Hornet actually predates. However, parodies by their very purpose exaggerate the outlandish elements of the target. To take the Batman, one finds it outlandish that a man would dress up as a bat and even more outlandish that he would drive around in a huge car with wings on it that would look screamingly outlandish traveling to and from a crime scene. Now look at the Green Hornet who wears a rain coat with a hat (just as numerous undercover law enforcement officials do), and drives around in an ordinary looking Imperial Chrysler. Kind of odd for a parody to jettison the ridiculous elements of its source, making this an indecisive parody.
** Muddying the waters further with the movie is that it's not even really parodying the original show, but the [[Flanderized]] version that people remember after Bruce Lee's rise to stardom, with the Green Hornet cast as an ineffectual loser and Kato as the hypercompetent action hero who did everything himself.
* ''[[Gremlins]]'' The first film didn't seem to know if it was supposed to be a parody of monster films or just a particularly weird monster film itself. While it had the highly goofy scenes with the gremlins themselves, it otherwise portrayed them as a very real threat. Action sequences were a bit hard to pin down. For example, is the violent kitchen fight supposed to be just a simple horror action sequence or a parody of it? The sequel was a more clear cut case of being a spoof.
* ''House of the Wolfman'' can't seem to decide whether if it wants to be a spoof of old [[Monster Mash]] films or a [[Retraux]] horror film.
* ''[[Kick -Ass (Filmfilm)|Kick-Ass]]'' is somewhere between this, [[Affectionate Parody]], [[Deconstructive Parody]], and [[Indecisive Deconstruction]]. Put another way, it starts off as a deconstruction of superhero tropes and [[Decon Recon Switch|plays them straighter as it progresses]].
* ''[[Lake Placid (Film)|Lake Placid]]'' took a lot of heat from critics who didn't realize it was ''supposed'' to be funny. As though a [[Cluster F-Bomb]] from [[Betty White]] could be anything else.
* ''[[Last Action Hero]]'' tried to split the difference between [[Lampshade Hanging]] mockery of action movie cliches and [[Affectionate Parody]] of them, and suffered for it.
* ''[[Lesbian Vampire Killers]]'' At times seems to be parodying the ridiculous oversexualisation of female vampires and vampire clichés, it also has long scenes of gratuitous nudity and a massive phallic sword [[MacGuffin]].
* ''[[Mystery Men]]'' cannot decide whether it is a ruthless [[Deconstruction]] of the [[Superhero]] genre, or an [[Affectionate Parody]]. At first, the "heroes" are made to look like some deluded loons <s>in a world without superpowers</s>... until an old mentor and a new member with actual superpowers appear, and then the bunch of losers finally save the day against all odds.
** Ultimately, it ends up firmly on the side of [[Affectionate Parody]]. ''[[Mystery Men]]'' may [[Lampshade Hanging|hang a few lampshades here and there]], but it's rooted firmly in comic book logic. The only subversion is that the film focuses on superhero [[Fan Boy|Fanboys]] who end up inheriting the real job.
* ''[[Never Say Never Again (Film)|Never Say Never Again]]'' The "unofficial" [[James Bond]] film can't quite seem to decide if it's a harsh satire of the Eon series or if it's a regular James Bond film. Plainly satirical scenes (such as Bond's discussion with M at the beginning) are side by side with normal Bond-style scenes.
* ''[[Pineapple Express]]'' starts out as mushing a stoner movie into an action movie, showing how poorly this type of thing would go in real life. But then Seth Rogen [[Took a Level Inin Badass|takes an offscreen level in badass]], and is jumping ontop of people and shooting everything.
* ''[[The Princess Bride (Filmfilm)|The Princess Bride]]'' is this trope done more or less to artistic perfection.
** More obviously a parody in the book (if only because of Goldman's "analyses" of "S. Morgenstern's" work. See the whole idea is Goldman is pretending it's someone else's... it's a weird setup). Would you believe it ends with a {{spoiler|[[Bolivian Army Ending]]}}?
* ''[[Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves]]'' is never really sure whether or not it's serious.
* ''[[Scream (Filmfilm)|Scream]]'' was marketed as a [[Deconstruction]] of the [[Slasher MoviesMovie|Slasher]] genre, but for all it did to point out as many traits as it could, it just ended up being a straight entry of the genre with [[Death Byby Genre Savviness|genre savvy characters that still fall into all the same traps]].
* ''[[Shoot 'Em Up (Filmfilm)|Shoot 'Em Up]]'' is arguably at least partly a metahumor-touched [[Affectionate Parody]] of the more over-the-top entries in the genre from which it takes its name (for goodness sake, the eagle-eyed hero's even a carrot-chomper!), and thus includes ridiculously over-the-top gunplay action ''and'' ridiculously over-the-top scenes involving sex and/or nudity on top of that. It's pretty entertaining... ''if'' you noticed the parody elements for what they were, which a ''hell'' of a lot of people (including a good two-thirds of the people this troper went to see the film with) apparently didn't, thus leading quite quickly to the film being dismissed as "another dumb, pointless action movie with unrealistic plot and characters" instead of being recognized as the fourth-wall-flirting action-comedy it really is at heart.
** The fact that Paul Giamatti is in an action movie ''at all'' should have been something of a clue.
** There's a scene were he shoots up an entire room full of bad guys WHILE having sex, and another were he shoots out the umbilical cord of a newborn baby. People took this movie seriously?
* ''Showtime'', a 2002 [[Eddie Murphy]]/[[Robert De Niro]] flop begins as a clever parody of [[Buddy Cop Show|buddy cop movies]], then rapidly degrades into a straight action film with dismal results.
* ''[[Spice World]]'' can't seem to decide if it's a self-spoof, a harsh satire of the Spice Girls themselves, or just a vapid ripoff of ''A Hard Day's Night''.
* ''[[Starship Troopers]]'': Your enjoyment of [[The Film of the Book|the film version]] may depend on whether you think it's a parody. The movie started simply as a movie about a war with alien bugs until someone pointed out vague similarities with the book, and [[Executive Meddling|meddlesome executives]] insisted they [[In Name Only|buy the rights to the name to avoid a lawsuit.]] The director claimed that he found the book too slow and depressing to get through, so he decided to make the whole thing a [[Stealth Parody]] of fascist propaganda, which he felt the book was leaning towards.
* ''[[This Is Spinal Tap]]'' A lot of people didn't understand that the "[[Rockumentary]]" film was a parody of the burgeoning heavy metal scene of the time. [[Stealth Parody|People thought it was a documentary of a real band]]. Much of this was probably because of how much [[Truth in Television]] it had (Eddie [[Van Halen]] is quoted as not finding it funny because "everything in that movie had happened to me"... Which just goes to show how [[Serious Business|serious Eddie Van Halen takes himself]]).
** Confusing things further, [[De FictionalisationDefictionalization|Spinal Tap actually toured]]. After opening act [[A Mighty Wind|The Folksmen.]]
* ''[[True Lies (Film)|True Lies]]'': Either a 90's action comedy, or a parody thereof.
* ''[[Van Helsing (Film)|Van Helsing]]'' couldn't decide if it was an [[Affectionate Parody]] of old fashioned horror movies, a straight parody, or a [[Massive Multiplayer Crossover]] of the genre. Although it might be considered "[[Two-Fisted Tales|pulp]]" like ''[[The Mummy Trilogy (Film)|The Mummy Trilogy]]''.
** Interestingly, whether or not a person likes ''Van Helsing'' seems to be determined a great deal by whether they thought it was a parody or not.
 
 
== Literature ==
* ''[[A Series of Unfortunate Events]]'' varies between [[Affectionate Parody]], [[Deconstructive Parody]], and just being extremely [[Sliding Scale of Silliness Versus Seriousness|silly]].
* ''I Kissed a Zombie and I Liked It'' parodies YA [[Paranormal Romance]], eg. ''[[Twilight (Literaturenovel)|Twilight]]'' and its ilk. The message it sends is that it's silly to [[Space Whale Aesop|literally give up your life just to be with a guy]] yet Alley would have gladly done so had Doug not {{spoiler|been torn apart by feral zombies he created himself.}}
** {{spoiler|[[Word of God|From the author]] - nah, they would have broken up in about six months. But I didn't have time to write a book that long. }}
* ''[[Snow Crash]]'' is an [[Indecisive Parody]] of [[Cyberpunk]]. In places it feels like a checklist of all the cyberpunk tropes ramped [[Up to Eleven]]: instead of the [[Mega Corp]] being as powerful as governments, corporations literally ''replace'' governments. The [[Hero Protagonist]] is ''named'' Hiro Protagonist, and is both the world's greatest hacker ''and'' the world's greatest [[Katanas Are Just Better|katana-duelist]]. [[Evil Counterpart|Raven]] is the epitome of [[Badass]], [[Invoked Trope|complete with a whole passage explaining in detail why]] he is the world's greatest badass. There are infodumps about various subjects, from toilet paper to Sumerian mythology, thrown in at random. From the [[What Do You Mean It's Not Awesome?|mock-epic]] first chapter to the insane climax, it oozes [[Rule of Cool]]. It's considered a landmark work of Cyberpunk, a parody of Cyberpunk, and a herald of [[Post Cyber Punk]].
 
 
== Live Action TV ==
* ''[[Desperate Housewives]]'' When it premiered, it straddled the line between parody & nighttime soap before landing on the side of soap (albeit with a good dose of comedy).
* ''[[Glee (TV)|Glee]]'' seems to be sliding in here. Is it a quirky teen drama with dark comedy elements and [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]? Or is it a dark comedy parodying teen dramas with intentional [[Soundtrack Dissonance]]? Nobody seems to really know. Indeed, one of the main criticisms of the is that it both wants to be a goofy hyper-skewed version of high school, while at the same time wanting to "really speak to the kids" and seriously "be a voice to the voiceless", something that smacks of having one's cake and eating it too.
* ''[[Power Rangers RPM (TV)|Power Rangers RPM]]'' In a definite case of [[Tropes Are Not Bad]], it manages to be one of the most depressing parodies of ''[[Power Rangers]]'' ever. The show constantly varies between lampshading PR tropes ("Sometimes when I morph, a giant fireball appears behind me for no apparent reason..."), and dark storylines (Dr. K's past). Of course, for some, [[Your Mileage May Vary]].
* ''The 7pm Project'' Part of the reason it's struggling in the ratings is because of this. Is the show a news satire, a news parody which looks at amusing stories, or an ordinary news show that happens to be hosted by comedians?
* ''[[She Spies]]'' Nobody seemed to get that it was an action-comedy series bordering on parody, mainly because to the untrained eye, it looked like just another trashy syndicated action show. Which is probably why it got [[Retool|retooledretool]]ed into a straight action show for its second (and last) season.
** ''[[Breaking the Fourth Wall|bordering]]''?
* ''[[The Muppet Show]]'' always walked the line between being a full-blown parody of [[Variety Show|Variety Shows]]s and a unique example of one itself.
 
 
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** [[Alanis Morissette]]'s cover does it much better.
*** But at that point it's the [[Genre Shift]] that makes it funny.
* [[Broken CYDEBrokeNCYDE]] seem very indecisive about whether they're a [[Stealth Parody]] or [[Doing It for Thethe Art]].
* Dethklok, the [[Defictionalization|Defictionalized]] [[Death Metal]] band from ''[[Metalocalypse]]'', border on this. While certainly satirical, the virtual band's music is actually quite good, with drums from the [[Heavy Metal (Music)|Metal]] veteran Gene Hoglan from The [[Devin Townsend]] Project.
** [[Your Mileage May Vary]]. There's plenty of metal heads that denounce Dethklok. [http://metal-archives.com/review.php?id=170953 Take a look at the metal-archives.com review page for the first Dethalbum.]
*** Noting, of course, that most of the reviews vary from lukewarm to positive, with ratings of around 60-90%, and that of the few bad reviews, one is titled "I hate this and anyone who likes it is a scumbag", which betrays just the ''slightest'' twinge of bias.
** Also, while it would be entirely possible to either interpret the over-the-top guitar solos as straight over-the-top guitar solos or parodies of over-the-top guitar solos, the lyrics are fairly unambiguously parodic.
* [[Jethro Tull|Jethro Tull's]] 1972 effort ''Thick as a Brick'' was intended to be a parody of [[Progressive Rock]], in response to Ian Anderson's discontent of their previous album consistently being called a [[Concept Album]]. Of course, today the album is deemed one of the essential classics of the genre. So, depending on how you look at it, they either [[Gone Horribly Right|did it right]] or [[Gone Horribly Wrong|terribly, terribly wrong]]. A [[Sequel]] came out 40 years later in 2012.
 
 
== Radio ==
* Is ''[[The HitchhikersHitchhiker's Guide to Thethe Galaxy (Radioradio series)|The Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy]]'' a Science Fiction Comedy or a Parody of Science Fiction ?
 
 
== Myths & Religion ==
* Religious(?) example: The Church of the SubGenius. One Church text openly taunts the reader with this: "A joke disguised as a religion? Or an actual, secretive religion, ''disguised'' as a joke disguised as a religion? Or an incredibly complex joke, disguised as an ''extremely ambiguous'' religion, disguised as a joke disguised as a religion?"
* [[Useful Notes/Discordia|Discordianism]]nism. In this case it's largely the point.
* At least one of the above has been described such that "If you don't see the joke, you've missed the point. But if you think it's nothing at all except a joke... you've also missed the point."
 
 
== Tabletop Games ==
* The creators of ''[[FATAL]]'' have variously claimed it to be a work of "historically and mythically accurate scholarship" and "controversial humour".
 
 
== Theater ==
* Arguably, ''[[A Midsummer NightsNight's Dream]]''. Particularly the scenes with the Mechanicals, who are performing a self parody of [[Romeo and Juliet]], it's possible those characters are parodies of some of the Lord Chamberlain's Men
* The Broadway version of ''[[Tanz Derder Vampire]]'', retitled ''Dance of the Vampires''. ''Tanz'' is a serious rock musical, albeit not without humor. ''Dance'' tried to make the show into a straight-up musical comedy, since the producer thought this would go over better with an American audience. Unfortunately, due to an incredibly dysfunctional creative process, many of the songs didn't fit in with the new approach, so the show wound up swinging between [[Camp]] and seriousness, leaving no one satisfied. To quote the [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117919518?refCatId=33 Variety review]{{Dead link}}: "It's not an outright comedy [...] but as a serious musical -- well, it's pretty damn funny."
* The play ''[[Done to Death]]'' is an [[Affectionate Parody]] of the [[Mystery Fiction]] genre. However it combines drastically different styles and the first scene of Act 1 is extremely different from the rest of the show.
 
 
== Video Games ==
* High Voltage Software claimed that ''[[Conduit 2]]'' is supposed to be "tongue-in-cheek". Some portions the game are clearly taking the piss (half of Ford's dialogue, for instance), but other parts of the game are done completely seriously (like the conspiracy objects), and still others are ambiguous (the ending).
** Though the [[A Winner Is You|final message]] seems to support the parody claim.
* It's not always immediately clear whether ''[[Trenched]]'' is supposed to be [[Rated "M" for Manly]] or [[Testosterone Poisoning]]. Some aspects seem to be firmly mocking over-the-top manliness, while others seem to be playing it straight. The [[Word of God]] isn't very helpful either -- wheneither—when citing over-the-top men's magazines like ''Man's Life'' as a source, they both refer to how warped their values are, and how awesome they were.
 
 
== Web Original ==
* ''[[A Very Potter Musical]]'' and its sequel run on [[Rule of Funny]]--until—until they get to a particularly serious moment from the books and play it up as heartwrenchingly as possible before settling back into nonsense again.
* Meta example: In ''[[My Little Pony: Camaraderie Is Supernatural]]'', an [[The Abridged Series|abridged]] parody of ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (Animation)|My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic]]'', Twilight Sparkle explains that a proper parody has to stay close to its source material and cannot just go off the rails with whatever the author thinks would be funny.
 
 
== Western Animation ==
* The ''[[Total Drama Island (Animation)|Total Drama Island]]'' series started out as an animated parody of reality shows. The focus on shipping and other such plot tumors have essentially made it a totally pre-scripted (read: slightly more scripted than usual) reality show that happens to be animated.
 
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