Internet Backdraft/Anime and Manga: Difference between revisions

* [[Subbing Versus Dubbing|Subs or dubs]]? Have at it, guys!

** And even more specifically for subs: translated vs. untranslated terms. Even MORE specifically, bring up TV-Nihon... especially among fans of ''[[Super Sentai]]'' and ''[[Kamen Rider]]''. Some fans appreciate the leaving in of certain terms for the sake of authenticity, others see untranslated terms as being a case of [[Too Long; Didn't Dub|laziness]] and/or being a weeaboo.

* [http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/tokyo-anime-manga-ban-passes/ Bill 156] (NSFW). 4chan, especially /a/, has been ''fuming'' over the ruling, which is understandable, considering the side effects it will cause. (For one, with all suggestive content being removed from shows aimed at children, which is [[Values Dissonance|surprisingly]] [[What Do You Mean It's for Kids?|a lot]], several animation studios will be bankrupted from having to relocate outside Tokyo, causing unemployment rates to skyrocket, harming the Japanese economy due to the impact on exporting anime and manga, fueling hostilities between traditionalist and otaku cultures in Japan, leading to civil unrest, and... well maybe it won't be ''that'' bad... or will it?).

** Likewise, go to a non-Anime related forum and simply start a discussion about Anime and Manga, or any given show, and you will get at least one person that will bash you and your taste in media, and that [[And That's Terrible|you are watching stuff for kids]] or nothing but hentai and naughty tentacles. And yes, despite all the cries for [[Animation Age Ghetto]] to stop, this even happens on [[TV Tropes]].

** Also, just causally mention that people in Japan are ''not'' as into Anime/Manga as one would think or that only "Weeaboos" think people in Japan like Anime. If you're lucky, you'll manage to survive with only a few minor burns from the ensuing flames.

** Speaking of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam Wing|Gundam Wing]]'', mention Relena to a [[Yaoi Fangirl]], and watch her foam at the mouth!

** If you wanna stir some ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny|Gundam SEED Destiny]]'' wank, just ask: Who is Athrun's [[Unwanted Harem|One True Love]]? "CAGALLI IS THE ONLY FEMALE GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIM [[Real Women Never Wear Dresses|BECAUSE SHE'S NOT AN ICKY GIRLY GIRL]]!" -- "Meyrin is just too cute, Cagalli [[Chickification|lost her coolness because she doesn't punch men anymore]] so should die in a fire already!" -- "Meer is a whooooore" -- "Meer is a Woobieeeee!" -- [[Yaoi Fangirl|"He should smooch Kira liekritenao, so stfu!"]]

*** Mention that you actually like Shinn Asuka, Rey za Burrel, or Gilbert Durandal, and prepare to have people (even on this wiki) rant at you for being an idiot who didn't understand the plot and has crappy taste.

** In regards to ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam 00]]''... Did {{spoiler|Ali rape Kinue before he killed her}}? Was {{spoiler|Louise's brutal killing of Nena}} justified? {{spoiler|Is Lyle a pale shadow of his twin brother Neil and doesn't deserve the name of "Lockon Stratos"}}? Was {{spoiler|the whole [[Fan Nickname|"pixie dust"]] scene}} an [[Ass Pull]]? Either way, don't ask. ''Really, don't''.

** Never say a bad word about the Universal Century, or point out the Gundams in it are just as "Hax" as some of the ones in other continuities, they will ''Crucify'' you.

** Also UC related, go on a forum and ask whether or not {{spoiler|Char and Amuro died}} at the end of ''[[Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack|Chars Counterattack]]''. This seems to be a particular [[Berserk Button]] on MAHQ, mainly because [[Never Heard That One Before|they're tired of hearing it]].

* The great "is downloading fansubs immoral/evil/going to destroy the animation industry as we know it?" debate in anime fandom. Especially dangerous to mention at [[Anime News Network]]. And while you're at it, it's also better that you don't mention [[Geneon]] or [[ADV Films]] as well.

** And for an entirely different subject concerning fansubs: Mention OtaKing when discussing (the quality of) fansubs then run, run away unless you're a masochist.

** In regards to ''[[The Movie|Conqueror of Shamballa]]'', ask whether the "real world" people are or not alternate versions of Greed or Archer. Flames ensue.

** Want to send just about any anime forum (and some non-anime ones) into apocalyptic rage? Mention that you don't like FMA ''at all''. Bonus points if you compare it to one of [[Naruto|The]] [[Bleach|Big]] [[One Piece|Three]] while doing so.

** Even [[Woolseyism]] style translations get targeted. Argue the merits of changing ''Pokémon'' names for other markets and get people who claim the only real names are the Japanese ones.

* The rift between the people who think ''[[Naruto]] Shippuden'' is good and the people who think it is not. Seriously, sparks start flying whenever someone ''mentions'' the series.

** For even greater lulz, bring up how Women are treated on Naruto ''anywhere'', flames will burn - even though most people are in agreement that being a woman in Naruto SUCKS. But there's always going to be the one person that agrees with the treatment of them - they'll send Orochimaru and Madara after them.

*** Go up to the "fandom feminists" and even ''question'' their constant bashing of the female characters ("Sakura is the worst character ever, even worse than Madara and Orochimaru!" "Hinata is a fat and weak bitch who doesn't deserve Naruto!" "All the women in Naruto are (re: useless, whores, bitches, sluts) and should either die or not exist!" "KISHIMOTO HATES WOMEN!") That will be the death of you. Double if you're a female yourself or a feminist embarrassed by their absolute screeching hate of any Naruto female.

*** Bonus points if you dare to say ''[[One Piece]]'' is a better than ''[[Naruto]]''.

** Just mention the fight between Sasuke and Deidara. The resulting inferno will have Deidara praising you AS A GOD!!!!!

** [[The Reveal]] that the Rinnegan, the eyes that were exclusive to Nagato at the time {{spoiler|was yet another Sharingan upgrade}} didn't sit well with a lot of fans.

* In the 5D fandom, being a Crow fan is hell.

** Also, don't cross paths with faithful Faithshippers!

* Go to any ''[[One Piece]]''-related forum or community and say something about "Zolo". Then run, if you value your skin.

** The same reaction will occur if you use just about ''any'' of the names of ''anything'' from the 4Kids version.

** Say that ''Bleach'' or ''Naruto'' have better art. And the flames will be there for long.

** Even ''implying'' that you think one character may have a serious thing for another, even for non-insane or [[Most Fanfic Writers Are Girls|non-fanbratty reasons]], often guarantees trouble. It doesn't matter if you're not even really a shipper; you're still going to upset at least some people who seriously hate the idea of romance in the story.

** Is "haki" a new kind of [[Mana]] or just [[Pure Awesomeness]] applied to willpower?

* Just try to spout an anti-anime opinion and watch yourself rack up those one star ratings.

** And conversely, mention that you like anime on some non-anime boards/sites. Much less a flame war than it is unbridled carnage....

* Attempt to debate the morality (or lack thereof) of '''any''' character in ''[[Code Geass]]'' (except maybe the cat), and you're sure to see some fireworks. Alternately, compare Lelouch to [[Death Note|Light Yagami]], Suzaku to [[Mobile Suit Gundam SEED|Kira Yamato]], or say that you enjoyed the Ashford-centric episodes.

** Debates on who is the best pilot (Specifically Suzaku vs Kallen) tend to end in flame wars. ''Especially'' regarding their final battle in the [[Grand Finale]].

** Is this a dancing anime?

* Do ''not'' mention [[Fushigi Yuugi|Nuriko's sexuality]], especially in terms of his dealings with Miaka. Or the subject of whether or not Miaka counts as a [[Canon Sue]]. The resulting wank will give you a headache.

** Oh, and say that [[Bifauxnen|Integra]] is a nice guy, but a bit too feminine for a man. It always divides fans between humorous and irate. Mostly irate.

** Also, just casually mention [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|Alucard/Integra VS Seras/Integra VS Alucard/Seras]] and see what happens. On second thought, don't.

** The [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]] is getting bigger and bigger. With the expected [[Flame War|flame wars]]. America/England vs. Russia/America vs. France/England vs. England/Japan vs. England/Portugal? Greece/Japan vs. Greece/Turkey? Hungary/Austria vs. Hungary/Prussia vs. Hungary/Turkey vs. Hungary/Romania vs. Hungary/Poland? Russia/Lithuania vs. Poland/Lithuania? Poland/Lithuania vs. Poland/Ukraine? Germany/Prussia vs. Germany/North Italy vs. Germany/Austria? China/Japan vs. China/Taiwan vs. Taiwan/Japan vs. Taiwan/Hong Kong? Spain/Romano vs. Spain/Belgium vs. Spain/Netherlands? France/Canada vs. Prussia/Canada vs. Canada/Cuba? Sweden/Finland vs. Sweden/Denmark? Denmark/Norway vs. Norway/Iceland vs. Hong Kong/Iceland? America/England vs. EVERY other ship? Pick your poison. (The last one in particular has caused more wank than all the other combats put together.)

** Then there was the ''tsunami'' of internet outrage when a group of Germany, Prussia and Austria cosplayers did a Nazi salute just ''minutes'' from a Holocaust memorial. [[Fee Fi Faux Pas|On Passover]]. This is not helping ''anyone's'' case any AT ALL.

** Try asking about the countries personified as females in a discussion on gender roles. Watch both sides tear each other apart in arguing whether Hetalia is sexist or not to its females, or even if the countries they represent have as much significance as "First World" nations like America. [[It Got Worse|It gets worse]]. [[Take a Third Option|Taking a third option]] might also not be very wise if the particular discussion is already heated.

** Mention the old version of the main storyline's third chapter, (''G-R Nonaggression Pact?''). See Russian and German fans tear each other down over the ''original'' one [[Old Shame|which Himaruya deleted and remade]] because of the [[Unfortunate Implications]].

** ''Botticelli's Erotic Painting'': Post the translated strips to this old deleted story or ask people their opinions on its content. The fans will tear each other down over whether it was a satire on the effect of banning erotica, if the author was using it as an excuse to showcase a [[Shotacon]] fantasy, or if it's okay to be offended or not in general. France and Spain's behavior alone in the strip is also a very divisive matter among fans as to whether it should still be counted as "canon" or not.

*** Once the dub voice of England was released, the [[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|outrage over the dub voices grew]], along with rage against liberties in the script and FUNimation calling him "Britain" (by request of the Japanese publisher), which is technically correct, but fandom has gotten used to calling him England. Asking about his voice or the name change will only generate more of a [[Flame War|flamewar]].

*** The dub itself has become a [[Rated "M" for Money|controversial subject]] of discussion due to its massive script rewrites which FUNimation claimed were necessary and [[Crosses the Line Twice|"purposely offensive"]] to reach a wider audience. The results of bringing up this subject are a lot more loaded than any [[Shipping]] debate; The Hetalia fans that love the dub, the fans that hate the dub, and even the haters of Hetalia itself will tear each other to shreds.

** Call Casca a whore, and declare your own death to such people.

* Talk about [[4Kids! Entertainment|4Kids]]. Period. If you have a death wish, mention that you don't think the dub of [insert any show that 4Kids worked on here] was all that bad and/or that the [[Fan Dumb|fans are dumb]] for getting so worked up over something so stupid. Even the most civilized board or chat room will dogpile you.

* Something similar happened in reaction to episode 9 of ''[[Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt|Panty and Stocking With Garterbelt]]'', all because Stocking (gasp!) ''dared'' to fall in love! {{spoiler|With a Ghost, no less.}} It's rather ironic that ''she's'' labeled as a slut for that, all while Panty gets to sleep with almost anything with a Y chromosome.

** Speaking of ''Panty And Stocking'', mention anything about {{spoiler|[[The Stinger]]}} and prepare to run. FAST.

* Go to any ''[[Death Note]]''-related site or forum, and dare to say you liked it when {{spoiler|L died}}. The fangirls will rip your legs apart if you don't run away fast enough.

** Say that you didn't mind the ending or that you like any bit of the dreaded second arc. Watch out for the flamethrowers.

** Don't ask about ethnicity in ''Bleach'', especially in the case of Yoruichi. What's especially disturbing about this is the number of people who don't just disagree, but are violently opposed, '''offended''' in fact, at the suggestion [[Ambiguously Brown|that Yoruichi may be black.]] [[Unfortunate Implications|Wonder what their problem is?]]

* ''[[Corrector Yui]]''. The manga/anime had so many divided opinions that if you ever bring such name in certain anime forums, there'll be the ones that liked both seasons, ones that only liked one of them, and the ones that despise Corrector Yui like it's a 4-Kids dub, but made in Japan. To have a slight idea, even in Japan such backdraft happens, and some manage to call Yui an "indecent harlot", and say that was Kia Asamiya's second biggest error (some of them claim that his biggest error was to convert [[Batman]] into a manga, without the things that would make ''normal'' Japanese people think he was a villain).

** Heaven help you if you bring up ''Negima'''s [[Live Action Adaptation]]...

* How do you properly pronounce [[Dragon Ball|Saiyan]] again? This question can be used to unlock the gates of Hell.

* And on /m/ you're best not [[Fan Wank|to bring up]] whether or not Yoko from ''[[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]]'' "counts" as a main character.

** People who like Kamina get bashed for being fanboys. People who like Simon get bashed for not recognising how GAR Kamina is. Don't bring up the possibility of Viral being a better character. And don't you even ''think'' of mentioning Rossiu either.

* Post an [[Netorare|NTR]] pretty much anywhere on 4chan. /h/ is optimal, but it'll get a reaction even in /a/.

** Alternately, post [[Yotsuba&!]] porn. '''Especially''' that one doujin where she's aged up. Even ''/d/'' will come after you.

* Thanks to Gorespammer's ''long'' trolling/reverse-trolling campaign, it has become virtually impossible to seriously discuss ''[[Bakemonogatari]]'' on /a/.

** As well as questioning the state of anime and how it has gotten "stale". You will be considered pathetic.

* When ''[[Umineko no Naku Koro ni]]'' was adapted from a series of sound novels into an anime, it was received pretty negatively among fans of the original. Just try and go on any forum or even [[YouTube]] comments and mention that you thought the anime was alright. Or better yet, say that the anime is ''superior'' than the sound novels, or anything positive about Studio Deen.

** ''[[Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]]'' gets hit with this too, but not as often or intensely.

* Go find any ''[[Katekyo Hitman Reborn]]'' fans that you can, and casually bring up whether 8059 is better than 5927 or not.

** Do not ever mention any pairing on any ''Reborn!'' related forum, if you want to stay alive.

* Want to start a [[Flame War]] amongst the ''[[Soul Eater]]'' fans? Just mention you don't like/hate [[Ensemble Darkhorse|Death The Kid]].

** [[Viewer Gender Confusion|"Is Chrona]] [[Ambiguous Gender|a boy or girl?"]] And...cue the ensuing flame war.

** /a/ has already given up on this in official translations, but is it [[Macekre]] or [[Woolseyism]] when a fansubbing group translates around [[Honorifics]]? The flame will burn forever.

* In the [[Project A-ko]] fandom, bringing the main girls' sexual orientation into question will lead to a [[Fan Wank|long debate between the fans]], with opinions ranging from "They're totally lesbians who want to get into each other's panties" to "They're perfectly straight girls who simply haven't found their men, you sick fuck." Also, any topic with C-ko as the main focus may cause a stir, especially if it's sexual, due to being [[The Scrappy|the most]] [[Base Breaker|controversial character]] in the series.

** And if we go to love triangles, let's add "how dare you think that the tomboy shouldn't get the guy she may or may not be interested in?! YOU'RE ANTI FEMINIST!?". [[Bleach|Ichigo/Rukia fangirls]] are specially infamous for this one.

* Want a good money sink? Discuss any anime (Ore No Imouto for example) that is remotely [[Brother-Sister Incest|incest related]] and [[Something Awful|Zorak]] will ban you.

* ''[[Tenchi Muyo!]]''. Whatever you do, ''never'' mention that you liked the 3rd OVA. Or ''[[Tenchi Muyo! GXP]]''. Or ''[[Tenchi in Tokyo]]''. Or the movie ''Tenchi Forever''. Or any of the ''[[Pretty Sammy]]'' spinoffs. Come to think of it, just don't ever mention ''Tenchi Muyo'' on any kind of message board.

**** For example, say you liked [[The Scrappy|Hannah Anafeloz]] on any of the ''[[Black Butler]]'' forums. You'll be banned in an hour.

**** Or say that you approved of {{spoiler|Claude killing Alois}}. '''THE FLAMES, THEY BURN!'''

* ''[[Inuyasha]]'' has tons of these when it comes to pairings [[Unpleasable Fanbase|IN GENERAL]]. Just bring up InuKag or InuKik. They will ''murder'' you.

** Also, there's not even the need of bringing Inuyasha himself into this. Just ask about the merits of Kagome and Kikyou as characters and you'll have a truly epic flame war in your hands. Is Kagome a stressed girl who was thrust into a really rocky situation and tries to deal like a normal person would, or a whiny [[Mary Sue]] who bitches way too much and gets away with shit that others wouldn't? Is Kikyou a selfcentered bitch who'll throw everyone under the bus to get what she wants, or a truly [[Broken Bird]] who has gone through way too much crap in both of her lives? Bring on the firefighters!

** Even easier! Ask anyone if Naraku is a [[Villain Sue]] or not. You'll be dead in minutes.

* It's best not to wonder what the ''[[Wandering Son]]'' characters sexualities are. Also, similar to [[Yotsuba&!]], posting or even mentioning porn - or sexuality period - of the characters isn't well received (especially on /a/).

* ''[[Tiger and Bunny]]''. We dare you to say you don't like [[Hero Protagonist|Kotetsu]]; rest assured, you'll be dead in five seconds flat.

* [[Moe]] as a whole has become one of the most divisive topics of discussion within the anime fan/otaku community in the last decade. Is it a genre? An aesthetic? Both? Neither? Many fans of more action-oriented fare have come to hate moe (and the closely related [[Harem Genre|harem]] and [[Slice of Life]] shows that have become very popular among a sizeable segment of the otaku community) for [[Ruined FOREVER|"ruining modern anime"]] and act as though moe shows are the worst thing that's ever happened to anime or, in extreme cases, humanity as a whole. And let's not even get into the big question: whether moe encourages the objectification and submission of women (and is thus misogynistic) or not. Of course, many of the people who do claim it's misogynistic are the same people who loudly praise more action-oriented and/or plot-heavy fare, so some of its loudest critics on the misogyny topic may really just be pissed off about there not being as many action or shows as they'd like...

* Say that you do NOT necessarily think ''[[Revolutionary Girl Utena]]'' is the most important, groundbreaking, perfect, complex and '''''unique''''' [[Shoujo]] series ever. Prepare to be slain by the ''Utena'' fandom.

** Try bringing up the '''four''' different ''Utena'' canons: the TV series, the manga by Chiho Saitou, the ''Adolescence Mokushiroku'' movie, and the manga based on [[The Movie]]. Within seconds, fans that support one of these medias will try to murder the fans who prefer the others. In particular, may God help you if you happen to prefer the first manga over the series; in fact, having a positive opinion of Saitou at all can get you slapped by those who think she's a homophobic so-and-so.

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