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Examples of [[{{TOPLEVELPAGE}}]] over [[{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] include:
* Head over to [[Cartoon Brew (Blog)|Cartoon Brew]] and try to post a nice, mature, rational argument that motion capture technology is a valid form of animation when used well. We'll be behind you with the marshmallows...▼
▲* Head over to [[
** Actually, just post anything (in a polite or not combative tone) about the industry that Amid personally disagrees with. Before you even get flamed, you'll more than likely just be deleted, IP banned and deactivated from the blog, and then mysteriously gain your posting privileges back 2 weeks later.
** Heck, motion capture is a picnic compared to what happens if you even casually mention anything remotely connected to the question of whether cartoons should have scripts or storyboards, and whether non-artists should write for animation. From there it quickly devolves into a battle over [[Ren and Stimpy|John Kricfalusi]], who's a very vocal advocate of storyboards, and who attracts very rabid [[Fan Boy|fanboys]] and an avid [[Hatedom]], the latter resulting from some of his [[Small Name, Big Ego]] qualities.
* Add ''[[
** Say you like "Not All Dogs Go To Heaven". They'll treat you the same way as Brian.
* After watching ''[[Avatar (
* Whether or not the animated ''[[Teen Titans (
** It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to debate Robin's identity though -- [[Word of God|it's confirmed]] he's Dick Grayson. Not that it stops them. This might be because the producer said he's not meant to be any one Robin, while one of the writers stated he was Dick Grayson.
** Speaking of ''Teen Titans'', mention the very last episode of the series, and watch as the [[Shipping|Shippers]] tear themselves into pieces.
** The fact that Nightwing already existed in the DCAU at the same time that Teen Titans was going on should be evidence that the two are separate Dick Graysons, but still, the flaming continues.
* While some prefer to compromise between the two, "Is Azula a [[Magnificent Bastard]] who deserved [[A Fate Worse Than Death]], or is she [[The Woobie]] who deserves a hug from her mommy?" will still start [[World War III]] at most ''[[
** The reason this is such a problem is because, [[Your Mileage May Vary|in some people's eyes]], the show didn't actually explain why Azula is as nuts as she is. Zuko's backstory got tons of screen time, but Azula's didn't get nearly as much. Some fans argue that subtle buildup was there all along while others say her breakdown was still too sudden.
** Also: energybending.
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** Who Zuko should be paired off with. To say it gets messy would be a huge understatement.
** New issue even though the show ended months ago: the [[Race Lift|casting choices]] for the [[Live Action Adaptation]]. Seriously, don't even try to mention or bring it up.
** Now that the movie has been released and was the [[The Simpsons (animation)|Worst. Movie. Ever]], mentioning this will get just a lot of told-you-sos and backpatting.
*** As an added bonus, say that you liked the movie or that you though it wasn't as bad as people said it was. You'll have a nice warm inferno of flames in no time.
* ''[[Family Guy]]'', ''[[The Simpsons]]'', and ''[[South Park]]'', all have very devoted, and very separate fandoms. [[Fandom Rivalry|Extolling the virtues of any of the other programs on a site dedicated to one of the particular shows is going to get you a quick ban, as will the mere suggestion that the other shows are anything more than a load of rubbish]]. Go on a forum for TV shows and put up something that is clearly in favor of one of these shows above all, you can set the world on fire.
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** ''God help you'' if you like all three shows.
* ''[[Daria]]'' fans still aren't finished arguing whether Trent and Daria should have made a go of it or about Daria kissing Tom and eventually replacing her best friend Jane as his girlfriend.
** Say you like "[[A Day
* Even casually mentioning the [[Shipping]] Wars that occured within the ''[[Danny Phantom]]'' fandom are bound to open up some old wounds. See the "True Fan VS Anti-Fan" (AKA "[[Slash Fic|Slash]] VS Non-Slash" AKA "Danny/Sam VS Danny/Vlad VS Danny/[[Launcher of a Thousand Ships|is-there-anyone-this-kid-ISN'T-paired-up-with]]?" AKA "Canon vs Fanon" AKA... you get the idea) debacle.
** Likewise, NEVER mention that you are indifferent to the fact that the series has been cancelled.
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** Season 6 is getting the same reactions. Even with the one of the episodes having a heartwarming ending, it STILL doesn't stop them.
** And whatever you do, don't even ''think'' about touching the [[Official Couple|Leela/Fry Ship]]. ''Especially'' [[Broken Base|around either]] the [[Fan Fiction]] writers [[Fanon|who want to see an entire show]] [[They Do|based on them being a married couple]] with [[Human Mom, Nonhuman Dad|sight gag]] [[Babies Ever After|offspring]] or the [[Fan Dumb|"long-time"]] [[No True Scotsman|"real" fans]] who insist the show ''[[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|must be like]]'' [[The Simpsons]] ''[[They Changed It, Now It Sucks|and remain a static cartoon with no alterations in character setups]]'' '''''[[Ruined FOREVER|whatsoever]]'''''.
* ''[[Kim Possible]]'': Is the title character a strong female heroine with who shows [[Character Development|realistic character flaws over the course of the series]]? Or the victim of [[Chickification]] in favor of her [[This Loser Is You]] sidekick [[Took a Level
** Another option is start a war between Fight For Five and Fight Against Five (people who want/don't want a 5th season for the show).
** Kim's rival [[Alpha Bitch|Bonnie]]: Does her [[Freudian Excuse|crappy home life]] give her a good reason to belittle Kim and Ron at school? Some say yes and view Bonnie as a sympathetic character (and even an [[Anti-Hero]]), others say no, claiming that a [[Freudian Excuse]] for the [[Alpha Bitch]] is the most [[Warped Aesop]] in children's programming. Arguments between these groups are almost as fierce as the ship wars. Oh, and speaking of ship wars, Kim/Bonnie and Ron/Bonnie tend to be fairly popular couples amongst the fanbase, so rivalries with Kim/Ron and Kigo come into play quite often. Kim/Bonnie and RonBon are so popular in fact that fanfiction of canon pairing [[Pair the Spares|Junior/Bonnie]] is practically nonexistent.
* Simply say that ''[[
** Which is always hilarious when one takes into account that Japanese refer to all hand-drawn or computer animation as "anime" (here's a hint, [[Captain Obvious|the term is a shortened form of the term animation]]), so if shown there all those shows (and every other western animation) will be called anime anyway by a Japanese viewer.
*** Calling them [[Critical Research Failure|"an anime from Japan"]] is more likely to get you laughed off the forum, however. Unless you are an actor cast in a live-action adaptation, that is, in which case the laughter will be mixed with cries for you to either learn more or be fired.
* What happened in the ''[[Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers (
* Go to an ''[[Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy]]'' forum, and say you hate one of the three titular Eds. Oh boy...
** "What's under Edd's ha..... aagh, the flames! THEY BUUUURRRRNNNN!"
** Is Plank real or not? {{spoiler|[[Word of God|Danny Antonucci confirmed that he's just a plank.]] If that's the case, how did he drive that bus and tell Johnny about the kitchen or to special order that lobster?}}]
** Justifying Kevin's actions has became somewhat touchy. If you claim that Kevin's either the kid who keeps the Eds in line for a good cause or the scourge of the earth, except some flames from both sides on the subject.
* Say you like ''[[Out of
* Another flamestarter: [[
** Bringing up CN in general will start up heated wars over which era of CN was best (typically between 90s era vs. 2000s vs [[The New Tens]]) [[Broken Base|And it]] [[Unpleasable Fanbase|may never get resolved.]]
* Go to...well, pretty much nearly ANYWHERE on the Internet and say something that's even just slightly negative about [[Pixar]]. Even if you make just the ''tiniest'' criticism of one of their films, the [[Fan Nickname|Pixtards]] will be all over you.
** On that note, go to ANYWHERE on the Internet mentioning ''[[Cars]] 2'' and there will be at least one person whining about ''[[The Incredibles]]'' not getting a sequel.
** The furor surrounding ''[[Cars]] 2'' has likewise kicked up a lot of argument. For every person complaining that Pixar squandered their reputation for an easy buck, there's another defending the film, saying that Pixar is being held to unfairly high standards and not every film has to have the [[Tear Jerker|big emotional moments]] (a hallmark of Pixar movies) in order to be good. Fanning the flames further was the rumor of a ''[[Toy Story (franchise)|Toy Story]] 4''.
** Did you ever hear the story of the ''[[WALL-E]]'' fan who [[Ban
** All of the above pale in comparison to the flames generated by one question: [[Unfortunate Implications|Is Pixar sexist?]] This has grown even worse with the announcement (now retracted) that Disney Animation Studios (headed by [[Pixar Regulars|John Lassetar]]) would no longer be making fairy tale movies to focus more on [[Most Writers Are Male|appealing to boys]] and the firing of Brenda Chapman from ''[[
*** And now that the trailer for Brave is out, there's been a lot of complaining that the movie just looks like a mashup of ''[[Mulan]]'', ''[[How to Train Your Dragon]]'', and ''[[Tangled]]''.
* Mention you like [[
** Now that [[
* Go to the [[Happy Tree Friends]] social network board and bring up shipping. The flames will be visible from space. Such choice pairings include Flippy x Flakey, Flippy x Giggles, Giggles x Cuddles and Shifty x Lifty [[Twincest]]... Also good (if not better) is claiming that Flakey is either a boy or a girl, and to a lesser extent whether it is spelled F-L-A-K-E-Y or F-L-A-K-Y, since Mondo Media changed their minds about that, too.
** Even better, say it's a ripoff of [[Retarded Animal Babies]] and if that hasn't [[Berserk Button|pushed enough]], say it's better, give a gratuitously huge laundry list of reasons why.
* Go near a [[Ben 10
** Judging from the reactions people on this site have to it, go to a Ben10 fansite and say that you believe that [[Ben 10: Alien Force
* ''[[The Fairly
** For that matter, bringing up any of Timmy's love interests will likely start fires. The show's fanbase is pretty unstable right now, [[Ship-to-Ship Combat|for]] [[Ship Sinking|various different]] [[Base Breaker|reasons]].
* Mentioning (fem)slash in the [[Disney Fairies]] fandom. Have fun wiping the spit and soot off yourself.
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** Made [[Up to Eleven|even worse]] with an episode revealing that [[Girl of the Week|Johnny]] is now [[Ms. Fanservice|Vanessa]]'s [[Official Couple|boyfriend]].
** And now another upcoming episode has them {{spoiler|breaking up...}}
** While we're on the subject of ''[[Phineas and Ferb]]'', say that [[
*** For that matter, [[Fandom Rivalry|avoid putting those two shows in the same discussion]] ''period''.
* If you were a ''[[Total Drama]]'' fan during the special and the second season, you got flamed to oblivion if you were on Team Courtney ''or'' on Team Harold, depending where you go.
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** Say you like [[Creator's Pet|Owen]] or [[The Scrappy|Sierra]] and that the former doesn't really get too much screentime. Go ahead, do it.
** Alternatively, say that you don't like [[Breakout Character|Cody]] or that he didn't deserve to win ''World Tour''.
* Even before it began, the ''[[Young Justice (
** Their version of [[The Joker]]. Either you thought it was an interesting interpretation, or he was the worst thing ever. Be prepared for comparisons to the [[Batman:
** The second season has just begun, and fans are already arguing about the [[Time Skip]]. You either think it's unnecessary and [[What Happened to
* [[
** If I may add, it's probably best not to bring up pairings such as Herriman x Frankie or Wilt x Frankie. The debates can get... heated to say the least.
* The [[My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
** "Feeling Pinkie Keen" is ''so'' prone to this that a [[Flame War|"Debate"]] on its message occured in a forum thread ''that was criticizing a completely separate episode''.
** The simple mention of this show can incite this from [[Hype Aversion|those trying to avoid it]].
** Say you hate the show. You will not survive.
*** Alternatively, say you like any show in the series besides G4 (especially G3 or ''G3.5'').
**** Lately, though, fans of G4 who aren't part of the [[Fan Dumb]] won't hate you if you enjoy G1's My Little Pony & Friends (In fact, some fans will even encourage you to watch the Midnight Castle special).
*** To people [[Hype Aversion|desperately trying to avoid the show,]] say that you like it. You'll get much of the same reaction.
** Say you hate one of the Mane Six and why. Incineration will ensue.
** Though thanks to equal parts [[Hype Aversion]] and [[Fan Dumb]] you're also starting to see places where if you praise the show, or post fanart of it, or simply say that you don't dislike it, you'll be flayed alive by the [[Fan Hater
** Compare bronies to [[Furry Fandom|furries]], or straight up call them furries. Everything in a two-mile radius will catch on fire.
*** It works even better in reverse. Just mention My Little Pony on a furry board and watch as everything burns.
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** Discord. Either he's a hilarious [[Chaotic Evil]] / [[Chaotic Neutral]] / [[Neutral Evil]] (YMMV on which one he is) villain who [[Blue and Orange Morality|thinks he's just playing some funny pranks on the ponies]] or he's a [[Complete Monster]] who brainwashes the ponies and is well-aware of his malevolent actions.
*** Bonus points if you say ''anything'' bad about Discord in general. Immolation is guaranteed if the Discord fans have the first word.
** Trixie, a one-shot antagonist, has a suprisingly large fandom, and whether or not she deserves it starts a lot of arguments.
** Is Pinkamina cuter/deeper/something better than regular Pinkie? And no, 'I like all elements of her character' is not an accepted answer in these conflicts.
** ''Cupcakes.'' Just don't bring it up.
**
*** Now that they've edited out everything "offensive" about Derpy in "The Last Roundup", including her name, at least one known [[Moral Guardian]] who complained about her [http://yamino.deviantart.com/ is getting screamed at]. Despite the fact that this particular [[Moral Guardian]] actually had nothing to do with it, according to one of the producers.
** Bronies: oppressed fans who can't openly celebrate their fandom in public without being mocked, or rightfully vilified basketcases with with an almost unhealthy obsession with a children's cartoon? Say any of these, and RUN.
* Say you hate ''[[Looney Tunes]]'' or ''[[
** Say you like ''[[
** ''[[Space Jam]]'' or ''[[Looney Tunes: Back in Action]]''? Discussions on which film is better or worse, are rarely progressive.
*** Or likewise claim in the slightest that ''[[
*** Say you prefer ''[[Pinky, Elmyra
* CGI vs. 2D Animation. Bonus points if you blame [[Pixar]] for killing the latter.
* Go to any ''[[Transformers]]'' forum and try to comment that [[Transformers Generation 1|Season 1/2 was better than Season 3]] (or the other way around). Alternatively, try to say ''[[
** While you're at it, claim that G1 was not the diamond-encrusted gold-plated cartoon that some (extreme) fans make it out to be. Lump a little bit of "I like [[Transformers Animated|TFA]]/[[Transformers Prime|TFP]]/series of choice instead". Prepare for the intense rage of a thousand supernovas.
** On the subject of ''[[Transformers Prime]]''- mention [[The Scrappy|Miko]] [[Genki Girl|Nakadai]]. Say you like her. Say you hate her. Mention her ambiguous accent. Roast a steak in the ensuing heat.
* ''[[The Simpsons]]'': Say you liked "[[Fanon Discontinuity|The Boys of Bummer]]". ''You will NOT survive''.
** Or liking [[Black Comedy Rape|"Homer vs. Dignity"]], [[Retcon|"That 90s Show"]], [[A Day
** Agree with [[Soapbox Sadie|Lisa]].
* Say you think that [[Americans Hate Tingle|Canadian cartoons]] are better than American cartoons, and that [[Cartoon Network]] should focus more on them. Enjoy the burning.
* Want some s'mores? Forget building a fire, just put a [[Nickelodeon]] or [[Cartoon Network]] related video on [[YouTube]] and roast the marshmallows over the flames made by nearly every comment complaining that Nick and CN don't acknowledge the existance of their 90's toons and/or that they need to air them more, along with calling their newer shows crap.
** Even worse, say that you like ''[[Almost Naked Animals]]'' or ''[[Sidekick]]''.
** The only thing worse than that would be pretty much saying '''anything''' about [[Johnny Test]]. Go onto a forum and say anything positive about it...and YOU WILL '''DIE'''.<ref>
*** Even more worse, ''say you like the animation style''.
* Before being brutally beaten, saying (even politely) that you didn't see anything pointing to [[One True Pairing|Martin/Aviva]] would get you told to keep your mouth shut. These days, go to any [[Wild Kratts]] discussion and tell Anti-Maviva supporters they don't have the right to speak, especially since the shipping war has died down. I'll wait here for your ashes so I can give them to your family.
* ''[[
** If you're suicidal, just say you like "One Coarse Meal" or "A Pal For Gary" for a quick and painless death.
** Say that Casey Alexander and Zeus Cervas write the best episodes.
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** Say you like Peggy or Lucky.
** Say you like "What Makes Bobby Run".
* ''[[Codename: Kids Next Door]]'':
** Say you ship Numbuh 1 and [[The Scrappy|Lizzie]].
*** Or that you ''don't'' ship Numbuhs 3 and 4.
** Say you think Numbuh 5 a [[Canon Sue]].
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