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* Vanitas is quickly becoming a [[Memetic Badass]], although [[Fridge Logic]] would like to point out that being the most [[Recurring Boss]] also means he's the losingest.
* Vanitas is quickly becoming a [[Memetic Badass]], although [[Fridge Logic]] would like to point out that being the most [[Recurring Boss]] also means he's the losingest.
** I think it might be the fact that he's terrifying and insane.
** I think it might be the fact that he's terrifying and insane.
** Think about it. Most bosses aren't recurring because they're completely and utterly [[Never Say Die|defeated]] the first time around, meaning Vanitas is more resilient and all-around [[Badass]] than most to remain a thorn in the heroes' sides for so long.
** Think about it. Most bosses aren't recurring because they're completely and utterly [[Never Say "Die"|defeated]] the first time around, meaning Vanitas is more resilient and all-around [[Badass]] than most to remain a thorn in the heroes' sides for so long.
** The fact that he's probably the ''only'' villain to practice pragmatism both [[Combat Pragmatist|in combat]] ''and'' in [[Pragmatic Villainy|villainous deeds]], which is notable because he's '''''[[Ax Crazy|COCOA CRAZY]]'''''. To add to that, {{spoiler|take the both of the final battles against him (both the [[Battle in The Center of The Mind]] with [[Lightning Bruiser|Ven]] and his fight against [[Back-to-Back Badasses|Aqua and Mickey]] while [[Demonic Possession|possessing]] Ven) into account. He is simultaneously fighting on both the physical and mental planes (which would require a lot of effort to maintain) and yet [[That One Boss|is able to take a bite out of your health the same way Scruff McGruff takes a bite out of crime]]. Not to mention that he's wielding the [[Infinity+1 Sword|x-blade]]. Coupled together, this potentially makes Vanitas one of the most dangerous characters in ''KH'' lore. In comparison, Master Xehanort was conceivably at his prime, [[Grand Theft Me|having stolen Terra's body]], but ''still'' got his ass kicked by [[Animated Armor|a suit of armor brought to life]] [[Unstoppable Rage|by Terra's rage]]. And ''then'', his [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]] kicked in, allowing Terra to [[Fighting From the Inside|temporarily break through]] and seal away his memories for good. Vanitas fared much better and was able to put up one ''hell'' of a fight, which makes Ven and Aqua's joint victory [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|all the more impressive]].}}
** The fact that he's probably the ''only'' villain to practice pragmatism both [[Combat Pragmatist|in combat]] ''and'' in [[Pragmatic Villainy|villainous deeds]], which is notable because he's '''''[[Ax Crazy|COCOA CRAZY]]'''''. To add to that, {{spoiler|take the both of the final battles against him (both the [[Battle in the Center of the Mind]] with [[Lightning Bruiser|Ven]] and his fight against [[Back-to-Back Badasses|Aqua and Mickey]] while [[Demonic Possession|possessing]] Ven) into account. He is simultaneously fighting on both the physical and mental planes (which would require a lot of effort to maintain) and yet [[That One Boss|is able to take a bite out of your health the same way Scruff McGruff takes a bite out of crime]]. Not to mention that he's wielding the [[Infinity+1 Sword|x-blade]]. Coupled together, this potentially makes Vanitas one of the most dangerous characters in ''KH'' lore. In comparison, Master Xehanort was conceivably at his prime, [[Grand Theft Me|having stolen Terra's body]], but ''still'' got his ass kicked by [[Animated Armor|a suit of armor brought to life]] [[Unstoppable Rage|by Terra's rage]]. And ''then'', his [[Laser-Guided Amnesia]] kicked in, allowing Terra to [[Fighting From the Inside|temporarily break through]] and seal away his memories for good. Vanitas fared much better and was able to put up one ''hell'' of a fight, which makes Ven and Aqua's joint victory [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|all the more impressive]].}}
*** {{spoiler|To be fair to Master Xehanort, like Vanitas, he was fighting (at least in Aqua's case) on two fronts at one time. In fact, in some parts of Aqua's final battle she actually got to join in Xehanort's mental battle and help defeat him there as well. That aside, the primary reason for Vanitas's [[Memetic Badass]] status seems to be that the first secret boss is basically an exact copy of him, and that he's [[That One Boss]] in ALL of his fights.}}
*** {{spoiler|To be fair to Master Xehanort, like Vanitas, he was fighting (at least in Aqua's case) on two fronts at one time. In fact, in some parts of Aqua's final battle she actually got to join in Xehanort's mental battle and help defeat him there as well. That aside, the primary reason for Vanitas's [[Memetic Badass]] status seems to be that the first secret boss is basically an exact copy of him, and that he's [[That One Boss]] in ALL of his fights.}}
**** Not to mention that it's implied that Ven's final battle takes place after Aqua's.
**** Not to mention that it's implied that Ven's final battle takes place after Aqua's.
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** There was nothing to suggest that the thing ''wasn't'' evil. As far as we know, it could be a demon trapped in glass.
** There was nothing to suggest that the thing ''wasn't'' evil. As far as we know, it could be a demon trapped in glass.
** I thought it was creative with the mirror being a boss. Although, I'll be annoyed if he had non-canonical powers like a blizzard spell as they did to Jafar in the first game.
** I thought it was creative with the mirror being a boss. Although, I'll be annoyed if he had non-canonical powers like a blizzard spell as they did to Jafar in the first game.
*** But how do ''you'' know Jafar never had an Ice spell in ''Aladdin'', though? Is his ''entire arsenal'' of what he can do with magic really important to the film's plot? For all we know, he ''could'' have summoned a Blizzard to crush Aladdin... he just never saw any ''use'' to do so. Plus... [[Gameplay and Story Segregation]]. Are you also bothered that Maleficent is able to stand on a floating platform and call "Meteors of Heaven" to unleash her fury? I don't recall her using ''that'' kind of magic in ''[[Sleeping Beauty (Disney)|Sleeping Beauty]]''... or any incarnation of Pegleg Pete ever having barriers....
*** But how do ''you'' know Jafar never had an Ice spell in ''Aladdin'', though? Is his ''entire arsenal'' of what he can do with magic really important to the film's plot? For all we know, he ''could'' have summoned a Blizzard to crush Aladdin... he just never saw any ''use'' to do so. Plus... [[Gameplay and Story Segregation]]. Are you also bothered that Maleficent is able to stand on a floating platform and call "Meteors of Heaven" to unleash her fury? I don't recall her using ''that'' kind of magic in ''[[Sleeping Beauty (Disney film)|Sleeping Beauty]]''... or any incarnation of Pegleg Pete ever having barriers....
*** If you've seen Aladdin, it makes perfect sense for him to have Ice magic. He was a sorcerer, then upgraded to the most powerful sorcerer, then further upgraded to an ALL POWERFUL GENIE. What's surprising is that he isn't pulling out Flare, Meteor Swarm, etc.....
*** If you've seen Aladdin, it makes perfect sense for him to have Ice magic. He was a sorcerer, then upgraded to the most powerful sorcerer, then further upgraded to an ALL POWERFUL GENIE. What's surprising is that he isn't pulling out Flare, Meteor Swarm, etc.....
** Pay attention. The Evil Queen threw a potion at the thing after she thought it was defying her. Somehow, the potion turned the Spirit of the Mirror into an Unversed (I don't get how either, just roll with it), hence the sudden combat abilities and ensuing battle.
** Pay attention. The Evil Queen threw a potion at the thing after she thought it was defying her. Somehow, the potion turned the Spirit of the Mirror into an Unversed (I don't get how either, just roll with it), hence the sudden combat abilities and ensuing battle.
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** Or maybe the creators were just too lazy to make a audience.
** Or maybe the creators were just too lazy to make a audience.
*** That pretty much is the reason. They did the same thing in [[KH 2]].
*** That pretty much is the reason. They did the same thing in [[KH 2]].
* Stitch's ending in ''Birth By Sleep'' {{spoiler|shows that Stitch went straight from Deep Space to Hollow Bastion, never meeting Lilo. [[Stitch|Why do you hate Hawaiians so much, Japan]]?}}
* Stitch's ending in ''Birth By Sleep'' {{spoiler|shows that Stitch went straight from Deep Space to Hollow Bastion, never meeting Lilo. [[Stitch!|Why do you hate Hawaiians so much, Japan]]?}}
** [[Unfortunate Implications|Joking about Japan hating Hawaii is kind of a bad idea, if you've been listening in your history classes.]]
** [[Unfortunate Implications|Joking about Japan hating Hawaii is kind of a bad idea, if you've been listening in your history classes.]]
** Given that he was distinctively Hawaiian in KH2, presumably he went to Hawaii ''later'', possibly when Radiant Garden became Hollow Bastion.
** Given that he was distinctively Hawaiian in KH2, presumably he went to Hawaii ''later'', possibly when Radiant Garden became Hollow Bastion.
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** Just a guess, but I don't think Mickey knew at the time that MX had body swapped. So when he met this new, younger, different Xehanort, he probably figured it was a different guy. Alternatively, he ''did'' figure it out, but he saw that the new guy had amnesia and hoped that Xehanort would become a good guy.
** Just a guess, but I don't think Mickey knew at the time that MX had body swapped. So when he met this new, younger, different Xehanort, he probably figured it was a different guy. Alternatively, he ''did'' figure it out, but he saw that the new guy had amnesia and hoped that Xehanort would become a good guy.
** When did Mickey meet Xehanort? He met Vanitas, but Xehanort wasn't there at the time. During the final battle, he was busy helping Aqua fight possessed Ven.
** When did Mickey meet Xehanort? He met Vanitas, but Xehanort wasn't there at the time. During the final battle, he was busy helping Aqua fight possessed Ven.
*** A flashback in [[Kingdom Hearts II (Video Game)|Kingdom Hearts II]] shows that Mickey met Ansem the Wise and Xehanort walked in. Then again, Mickey states he has a bad memory, so maybe he forgot about Xehanort? Mickey saw Roxas at the end of [[Kingdom Hearts II (Video Game)|Kingdom Hearts II]], but he never thinks it is Ven.
*** A flashback in [[Kingdom Hearts II]] shows that Mickey met Ansem the Wise and Xehanort walked in. Then again, Mickey states he has a bad memory, so maybe he forgot about Xehanort? Mickey saw Roxas at the end of [[Kingdom Hearts II]], but he never thinks it is Ven.
*** Mickey never met Master Xehanort. He didn't know what went down with Terra and Xehanort, and honestly, would body snatching be the first thing that popped into your head, or would you just assume it was an [[Identical Stranger]]?
*** Mickey never met Master Xehanort. He didn't know what went down with Terra and Xehanort, and honestly, would body snatching be the first thing that popped into your head, or would you just assume it was an [[Identical Stranger]]?
**** So when he was training with Yen Sid, when he was send by Yen Sid to th Keyblade Graveyard, after he promised to save Terra, after everything, NEVER ONCE did Yen Sid bother to mention to Mickey that Master XEHANORT is the enemy they ae fighting?
**** So when he was training with Yen Sid, when he was send by Yen Sid to th Keyblade Graveyard, after he promised to save Terra, after everything, NEVER ONCE did Yen Sid bother to mention to Mickey that Master XEHANORT is the enemy they ae fighting?
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