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** Well, {{spoiler|if they ''did'' willingly join Xehanort/Xemnas afterward (perhaps out of fear, perhaps not), then his [[Magnificent Bastard|charisma]] could've won them over. After all, the Organization is ''very much'' like a cult. It's also possible that [[Unreliable Narrator]] was in effect with what was disclosed before, with the real set of events lying somewhere in the middle.}} I'm certain that more and more of the real story will slowly reveal itself in due time.
** Well, {{spoiler|if they ''did'' willingly join Xehanort/Xemnas afterward (perhaps out of fear, perhaps not), then his [[Magnificent Bastard|charisma]] could've won them over. After all, the Organization is ''very much'' like a cult. It's also possible that [[Unreliable Narrator]] was in effect with what was disclosed before, with the real set of events lying somewhere in the middle.}} I'm certain that more and more of the real story will slowly reveal itself in due time.
** It could be a [[Retcon]]. It would be ''far'' from the first time this series has had one (example: Ansem says in his reports in KH2 that he found Xehanort and nursed him back to help "some years back", and that particular report is written at a time before Xehanort betrays him. But in BBS, he finds Xehanort 10 years before the original KH...and in there, it was said that the destruction of Hollow Bastion happened 9 years ago. Which means he just had Xehanort for an apprentice for little over a year!)
** It could be a [[Retcon]]. It would be ''far'' from the first time this series has had one (example: Ansem says in his reports in KH2 that he found Xehanort and nursed him back to help "some years back", and that particular report is written at a time before Xehanort betrays him. But in BBS, he finds Xehanort 10 years before the original KH...and in there, it was said that the destruction of Hollow Bastion happened 9 years ago. Which means he just had Xehanort for an apprentice for little over a year!)
** An alternate possibility is that this was not the event that turned them into Nobodies. If you recall from [[Kingdom Hearts]] you saw 5 'pods' in Hollow Bastion/End of the World, implying the Apprentices went into them voluntarily. Perhaps what as seen was an experiment (which in [[Kingdom Hearts II (Video Game)|Kingdom Hearts II]] we were told were being run on Apprenice Xehanort's heart, in order to restore his memories) gone awry.
** An alternate possibility is that this was not the event that turned them into Nobodies. If you recall from [[Kingdom Hearts]] you saw 5 'pods' in Hollow Bastion/End of the World, implying the Apprentices went into them voluntarily. Perhaps what as seen was an experiment (which in [[Kingdom Hearts II]] we were told were being run on Apprenice Xehanort's heart, in order to restore his memories) gone awry.
*** Going off of this, it's possible that the attack simply unlocked the darkness in the other apprentices' hearts, similar to when Rikunort used the Keyblade of People's Hearts on Maleficent. This possibly made them more susceptible to the darkness experiments they were performing (as well as, possibly, their exile of Ansem), eventually leading to the them using the pods seen in the first game.
*** Going off of this, it's possible that the attack simply unlocked the darkness in the other apprentices' hearts, similar to when Rikunort used the Keyblade of People's Hearts on Maleficent. This possibly made them more susceptible to the darkness experiments they were performing (as well as, possibly, their exile of Ansem), eventually leading to the them using the pods seen in the first game.
** [[KH 2]]'s backstory was told from Ansem's perspective, not Xehanort's. It's not unreasonable to assume that Ansem misinterpreted the situation.
** [[KH 2]]'s backstory was told from Ansem's perspective, not Xehanort's. It's not unreasonable to assume that Ansem misinterpreted the situation.
* A new world is [[Mickey Donald Goofy the Three Musketeers|The Three Musketeers]] [[Captain Obvious|(Disney version)]]. What doesn't make sense is that Mickey, Donald, and Goofy (supposedly) never leave the Realm of Light. In one of the trailers, you can see Donald, Goofy, safe-ish to assume Mickey is off-camera, in Yen Sid's tower with Sora and Riku. And it's sort-of-said by Yen Sid in the same trailer that only Sora and Riku enter the Realm of Sleep. Yet here they are, in a world of their own.
* A new world is [[Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers|The Three Musketeers]] [[Captain Obvious|(Disney version)]]. What doesn't make sense is that Mickey, Donald, and Goofy (supposedly) never leave the Realm of Light. In one of the trailers, you can see Donald, Goofy, safe-ish to assume Mickey is off-camera, in Yen Sid's tower with Sora and Riku. And it's sort-of-said by Yen Sid in the same trailer that only Sora and Riku enter the Realm of Sleep. Yet here they are, in a world of their own.
** They're not the real Mickey, Donald, and Goofy. They're the Dreamworld's versions. The ''real'' ones are still in the Realm of Light {{spoiler|confronting Maleficient at Disney Castle.}}
** They're not the real Mickey, Donald, and Goofy. They're the Dreamworld's versions. The ''real'' ones are still in the Realm of Light {{spoiler|confronting Maleficient at Disney Castle.}}
*** That or maybe it has something to do with [[Narnia Time|time working differently between worlds?]]
*** That or maybe it has something to do with [[Narnia Time|time working differently between worlds?]]
* So, Neku's in here. Along with Shiki, Beat, Rhyme and Joshua. They're all back in the Game, too. Why's that? Would this be a kind of "TWEWY events set in a parallel dimension, and crossovered with KH" sort of thing?
* So, Neku's in here. Along with Shiki, Beat, Rhyme and Joshua. They're all back in the Game, too. Why's that? Would this be a kind of "TWEWY events set in a parallel dimension, and crossovered with KH" sort of thing?
** Why don't you wait and play the game and find out?
** Why don't you wait and play the game and find out?
** Anything involving [[The World Ends With You (Video Game)|The World Ends With You]] can be summed up as: Joshua is a jackass.
** Anything involving [[The World Ends With You]] can be summed up as: Joshua is a jackass.
*** Why that's true, it can be better summed up as: all according to Mr. H's plan.
*** Why that's true, it can be better summed up as: all according to Mr. H's plan.
** You can probably assume that they have the same thing going for them as the Final Fantasy characters, where while the characters and some of their issues are there, they're done differently.
** You can probably assume that they have the same thing going for them as the Final Fantasy characters, where while the characters and some of their issues are there, they're done differently.
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* Why is it every time Xion is seen in these trailers fans go crazy? 358/2 explained what she was and that she cannot come back without F-ing up Sora royally. I understand the conflict that her presence will present in Sora for this game, I just want to know why fans honestly think she can come back?
* Why is it every time Xion is seen in these trailers fans go crazy? 358/2 explained what she was and that she cannot come back without F-ing up Sora royally. I understand the conflict that her presence will present in Sora for this game, I just want to know why fans honestly think she can come back?
** Because it's Kingdom Hearts? Because we're dealing with Disney characters, the [[Power of Friendship]], and a heart shaped moon that's said to be able to create an entire world, and absolutely anything can happen at this point?
** Because it's Kingdom Hearts? Because we're dealing with Disney characters, the [[Power of Friendship]], and a heart shaped moon that's said to be able to create an entire world, and absolutely anything can happen at this point?
** I think the answer to this question is thus: Throughout [[Kingdom Hearts 358 Over 2 Days|Days]], Roxas (and by extension, the player) has a deep emotional connection to Xion... and then [[Wham! Episode|WHAM]]! [[Cessation of Existence]]. When the credits roll, we're thoroughly convinced that [[Ret-Gone|she'll never so much as be mentioned again, let alone seen again]]. Therefore, whenever Xion shows up in the trailers for [[KH 3 D]], it's kinda like seeing the love of your life, who died 3 years ago, standing right in front of you saying [[Unexplained Recovery|they got better]]. Who cares about the ramifications? That can wait 'till after the welcome-back glomp.
** I think the answer to this question is thus: Throughout [[Kingdom Hearts: 358 Days Over 2|Days]], Roxas (and by extension, the player) has a deep emotional connection to Xion... and then [[Wham! Episode|WHAM]]! [[Cessation of Existence]]. When the credits roll, we're thoroughly convinced that [[Ret-Gone|she'll never so much as be mentioned again, let alone seen again]]. Therefore, whenever Xion shows up in the trailers for [[KH 3 D]], it's kinda like seeing the love of your life, who died 3 years ago, standing right in front of you saying [[Unexplained Recovery|they got better]]. Who cares about the ramifications? That can wait 'till after the welcome-back glomp.
** Though Xion's existence in Days was causing problems for Sora, that may not be the case if she returned. As it stands, thanks to Namine in coded, Mickey knows that she existed, and based on Roxas' use of plural pronouns in the trailer, he presumably remembers her as well.
** Though Xion's existence in Days was causing problems for Sora, that may not be the case if she returned. As it stands, thanks to Namine in coded, Mickey knows that she existed, and based on Roxas' use of plural pronouns in the trailer, he presumably remembers her as well.
*** Thank you for giving the most unbiased answer regarding this question. Although to question your point further, wasn't it clearly stated in Days that Xion's existence was preventing him from being whole? I cannot see any logical route in having Xion "come back" without there being complications with Sora as her whole being is centered around his memories.
*** Thank you for giving the most unbiased answer regarding this question. Although to question your point further, wasn't it clearly stated in Days that Xion's existence was preventing him from being whole? I cannot see any logical route in having Xion "come back" without there being complications with Sora as her whole being is centered around his memories.
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